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University Challenge

GUEST,Johnmc 16 Aug 10 - 05:37 PM
Acorn4 16 Aug 10 - 05:51 PM
bubblyrat 16 Aug 10 - 05:53 PM
Bernard 16 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM
bubblyrat 16 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM
Dave Hanson 16 Aug 10 - 06:01 PM
TheSnail 16 Aug 10 - 06:03 PM
GUEST,johnmc 16 Aug 10 - 06:05 PM
bubblyrat 16 Aug 10 - 06:08 PM
Leadfingers 16 Aug 10 - 06:20 PM
Rob Naylor 16 Aug 10 - 08:28 PM
GUEST,Gervase 17 Aug 10 - 02:45 AM
GUEST,EricTheOrange 17 Aug 10 - 03:15 AM
theleveller 17 Aug 10 - 03:16 AM
GUEST,EricTheOrange 17 Aug 10 - 03:28 AM
Will Fly 17 Aug 10 - 04:04 AM
Rob Naylor 17 Aug 10 - 04:08 AM
GUEST,Silas 17 Aug 10 - 04:12 AM
Johnny J 17 Aug 10 - 04:13 AM
GUEST 17 Aug 10 - 04:53 AM
MGM·Lion 17 Aug 10 - 06:05 AM
Mrs.Duck 17 Aug 10 - 07:17 AM
GUEST,EricTheOrange 17 Aug 10 - 10:08 AM
bubblyrat 17 Aug 10 - 10:24 AM
GUEST,Johnmc 17 Aug 10 - 10:32 AM
Micca 17 Aug 10 - 10:51 AM
gnu 17 Aug 10 - 05:08 PM
Les from Hull 17 Aug 10 - 05:21 PM
gnu 17 Aug 10 - 05:30 PM
gnu 17 Aug 10 - 05:35 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Aug 10 - 05:44 PM
Betsy 17 Aug 10 - 06:13 PM
Mo the caller 18 Aug 10 - 05:25 AM
Bernard 18 Aug 10 - 05:05 PM
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theleveller 19 Aug 10 - 07:54 AM
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Subject: University Challenge
From: GUEST,Johnmc
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 05:37 PM

Not one member of either team tonight recognized Dylan's voice (never mind the song).
This raises one or two questions about just how sure we can be about cultural/musical common ground,methinks.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Acorn4
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 05:51 PM

Was it "Wonald Woebuck fwom Weading Weading Juwispwudence" ?


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: bubblyrat
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 05:53 PM

The fact that they didn't recognise Joan Baez either was equally disturbing, as was mistaking "Hard Rains A Gonna Fall" for "The Times They Are A Changing" !! But then even I had a few moments of difficulty with the Barbra Streisand version ; I wonder just what students DO get exposed to these days ??


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Bernard
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM

What's important to one can be insignificant to another... imposing your own values upon another could, perhaps, be considered arrogant...


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: bubblyrat
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM

No, Acorn, none of them spoke like that , especially the Russian lady. Nor did any call Reading home, although most of them DID seem to come from London (and Russia).


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 06:01 PM

One team captain recognised Bob Dylan but git the song wrong, ah the youth of today sigh.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: TheSnail
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 06:03 PM

OK, so how are you on the hits of twenty years before you were born?


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,johnmc
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 06:05 PM

Yes, I remembered too late, Dave, but then thought to myself - if you take such a long time to recognise that voice, is it more than likely a guess ?


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: bubblyrat
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 06:08 PM

Well, I was born in 1947, and I'm fine on things like "Goodbye,Dolly Gray", " Ol' Man River", and,indeed, Bach's Cantata & Fugue In D Minor, all of which were from....well, long before 1947 !! But then there was no TV,and we listened to the radio a lot more .Or we sang (yes, sang !) at school.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 06:20 PM

I wouldnt guarantee to recognise Walter Pardon in a 'pressure' situation


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 08:28 PM

Well I've mistaken several Glen Miller tunes for others of his, which is about the same age gap. My parents would have been horrified.

Actually, a lot of young people do listen to Dylan and Woody Guthrie. But would you recognise tunes from Explosions In The Sky, British Sea Power, Reverand And The Makers, Interpol or Arcade Fire? I bet most of them would have instantly recognised tracks by any of those bands, probably after only 3 or 4 notes.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,Gervase
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 02:45 AM

Bach's Cantata & Fugue In D Minor
That's a new one on me!
I'm sure, from what I've seen of the programme, that someone on at least one of the teams would recognised and correctly identify Bach's Toccata and Fugue in d minor, but I would consider peopular music from a generation or more before they were born to be beyond the ken of most people.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,EricTheOrange
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 03:15 AM

>From: bubblyrat
>The fact that they didn't recognise Joan Baez either was equally >disturbing, as was mistaking "Hard Rains A Gonna Fall" for "The Times >They Are A Changing" !!

Why would you think that they would recognise them?


> even I had a few moments of difficulty with the Barbra Streisand version

It was Barbara Dickson - do pay attention at the back!


> I wonder just what students DO get exposed to these days ??

Actually I find that the young people that I work with generally have very eclectic tastes and seek out music they like in a way that's far less constrained by the latest fad or fashion. Because (I suppose) of the influence of the internet their tastes seem a lot less uniform and more accepting of variety than previous generations. In fact having a knowledge of diverse musical genres seems generally to be regarded as something that's quite cool.

Why you'd think that they should particularly recognise Dylan or Baez I don't know. They may be significant artists to you but I doubt they've had much direct influence on kids growing up in the 21st century.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 03:16 AM

What an amazingly bright lot the Christ's team was. I wish I had a fraction of the intelligence, general knowledge and recall. That was an amazing performance.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,EricTheOrange
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 03:28 AM

>From: Acorn4
>
>Was it "Wonald Woebuck fwom Weading Weading Juwispwudence" ?

Are you stuck in the 1930's?


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 04:04 AM

From last night's "University Challenge -

Q: "Which Belgian-born guitarist led a group called the 'Quintet of the Hot Club of France' with violinist Stéphane Grappelly in the 1930s and 1940s?"

A: Adolphe Saxe?

It wasn't the lack of knowledge of Django as the guitarist so much that amused me, as the idea of the inventor of the saxophone playing the guitar with Grappelly...

Hey ho - different strokes for different folks.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 04:08 AM

Eric TO: Actually I find that the young people that I work with generally have very eclectic tastes and seek out music they like in a way that's far less constrained by the latest fad or fashion. Because (I suppose) of the influence of the internet their tastes seem a lot less uniform and more accepting of variety than previous generations.

Yes, they do have very eclectic tastes. Not sure about it being *that* much more accepting of variety etc than previous generations....I was listening to folk, folk-rock, blues, reggae, prog-rock, metal, classical, afro-rock, jazz etc in the late 60s/early 70s at the ages my kids span now.

The youngsters I know do listen to the bands of my youth....I'm often surprised at some of the artistes they recognise. The link I put on another thread to a local band that calls its genre "un-folk" (I think as an ironic take on nu-folk) doing a cover of a rap song "in the style of Woody Guthrie" shows not only that they'd heard of Guthrie, but were sufficiently familiar with his sound to adapt a rap to it! And a couple of young "proper" folk bands I know will happily get down to a bit of Drum & Bass.

My daughter's playlist yesterday afternoon (we were working in the same room) included folk, post-rock, prog-rock, country, garage, indie, blues, D&B and reggae, ranging from the early 1960s to last week.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 04:12 AM

"What's important to one can be insignificant to another... imposing your own values upon another could, perhaps, be considered arrogant... "


Very true.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Johnny J
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 04:13 AM

June Tabor was captain for St Hugh's, Oxford in 1968.

I'm sure she'd have done OK on the music questions.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 04:53 AM

Anyone (UK based) interested can see the programme on iPlayer for the next week. The Dylan question starts at 14:29


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 06:05 AM

Indeed the Christ's team were admirable ~~ I am glad to see standards have not dropped since my own student days there, 1952-55! Well done, team ~~ ollie·ollie·ollie ~ Christ's·Christ's·Christ's!!!

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 07:17 AM

Actually the only one I was absolutely certain about was the Brian Ferry version!


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,EricTheOrange
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 10:08 AM

>From: Mrs.Duck
>
>Actually the only one I was absolutely certain about was the Brian >Ferry version!

I was split between Ferry & David Byrne for that one


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: bubblyrat
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 10:24 AM

How silly of my gin-soaked self to have confused Bach's Stacato with a Cantina ! And mistaking Barbra Streisand for Barbara Dickson,or Dixon,or whatever ; I was thinking of the former's top-hamper & tumblehome at the time (the word "Barbra" is a sure-fire trigger for me, dammit.) At least I realise now why Southampton University, or at least La Sainte Union De Sacre Bleu, never asked me to audition for their team.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,Johnmc
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 10:32 AM

I was wondering whether any of our friends from across The Pond knew what on earth we are on about. Do they know of Bamber and of the longevity of the show ?


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Micca
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 10:51 AM

Since They (the Americans)invented the format as "College Bow"l in 1952-1957 on NBC Radio then on NBC TV To 1970, The current Format didnt appear until 1962 when Granada started broadcasting it from Manchester. I think they (especially some Mudcatters) who are THAT old may even remember ***BG***

Micca


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: gnu
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:08 PM

Known under different names in NA, the most common version being Jeopardy, yes, most know of it or can suss it out thru the clues given above. >;-)

I'll take Folk Music for 1000, Alex.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Les from Hull
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:21 PM

It's not Jeopardy, it's this one.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: gnu
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:30 PM

Yes, Les... I know. They are all quiz shows. Jeopardy is a quiz show too. As I alluded to, there are a number of quiz shows. The most common quiz show in NA is Jeopardy, hosted by a Canuck... coincidence?


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: gnu
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:35 PM

The Final Jeopardy answer is... "The University Challenge thread is above the line."

You have thirty seconds.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:44 PM

Why would you think that they would recognise them?

Well, the words are rather different.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Betsy
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 06:13 PM

Well I , (Clever clogs) knew all 4 answers - where do I pick up my Degree ?

Cheers Betsy


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Mo the caller
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 05:25 AM

I don't think anyone can be 'eyebrow raised at' for guesses they make when they don't know the answer. No points for passing even if it wasn't Saxe.
And buzzer rounds are a gamble, do you wait or do you say the first thing you think of? If I'd buzzed after the first few words I'd have said Lord Randall, I didn't remember Hard Rain till the end of the extract. Back then I prefered the Spinners.

I was impressed by the winning team.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Bernard
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 05:05 PM

Alright... how many of you honestly know the precise connection between 'How Much Is That Doggy in the Window' and Barbra Streisand's hit 'People'... without looking it up on the Net?!

Bob Merrill (Don't click yet!) was the composer of both - and of 'If I Knew You Were Coming I'd Have Baked a Cake'

Drag your cursor over the gap to see the answer!


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 05:55 PM

Johnny J - I think June was quite musically eclectic when singing with Mistral wasn't she? She'd probably have done quite well on questions about France too, if any!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 03:42 AM

"Blind Date" was a very popular Tv series in the Uk in the 1980s(?) but I was surprised to read somewhere that it was also a popular series in the States back in the 1940s!


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 06:55 AM

The Goon show was popular in Britain in the 50's, now USA produces endless versions...you can watch them almost all day on Bravo, E4 etc.


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Subject: RE: University Challenge
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 07:54 AM

The big challenge now is just getting into university - good luck to everyone who's applied.


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