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'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?

GUEST,^&* 17 Aug 10 - 05:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Aug 10 - 05:40 PM
The Sandman 17 Aug 10 - 05:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Aug 10 - 05:46 PM
mg 17 Aug 10 - 06:47 PM
GUEST,^&* 17 Aug 10 - 06:52 PM
mg 17 Aug 10 - 07:05 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Aug 10 - 07:38 PM
GUEST,Roger Knowles 18 Aug 10 - 04:40 AM
mg 18 Aug 10 - 12:39 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Aug 10 - 01:32 PM
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Subject: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: GUEST,^&*
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:34 PM

There's a recording on Youtube HERE claimed to date from 1918, sung by "shipmates of Tom Crean", the Antarctic explorer. Can anyone confirm its authenticity? It's described as "from an Edison Blue Amberol Cylinder recording ".


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:40 PM

Here's the transcription of that, as posted by the GUEST above:

Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean,
He's the bravest man that the world's ever seen.
Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean,
He's the Irish giant from county Kerry.

Walked thirty-five miles in the Arctic alone
To save Teddy Evans from making his bones.
He went down to the south with Shackleton and Scott,
Won three polar medals and a coward he's not.
Faced death many times, but he never backed down.
Came home to Anascaul, his little home town.

Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean,
He's the bravest man that the world's ever seen.
Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean,
He's the Irish giant from county Kerry.


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:43 PM

can we be sure its not a pinky and perky recording.


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 05:46 PM

I'd be astonished if it's what it says it is.


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: mg
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 06:47 PM

Why? When were the first recordings made? I had some very old ones of John McCormack that I think were from the 1917s or so...not sure. mg


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: GUEST,^&*
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 06:52 PM

The date is possible, certainly - but the style sounds oddly modern - and it seems curious that it has only appeared recently, with no trace of recording details etc. At the same time, The Annascaul website, which is likely to involve at least some locals with an interest in the history, presents a link to it without comment while there was no mention of it at a major exhibition in Tralee a few years ago.

For now, I'm just sceptical, like McGrath...


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: mg
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 07:05 PM

I don't know of course but it certainly seems likely that such a thing would have been done if the technology was available. The men were certainly famous enough and there would have been the interest. But you would think local historians would know of it. However, stuff turns up in basements of old museums, old attics, pawn shops etc. mg


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Aug 10 - 07:38 PM

No problem with the technology, masses of cylinder recordings with pretty good quality, but as GUEST,^&* says (do please get a name people can say!) the style sounds too modern, the singing and what you can hear of the accompaniment. And the words.

It'd be great if it was genuine, but...

Anyway, it's singable enough, and the man certainly deserved a ballad.


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: GUEST,Roger Knowles
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 04:40 AM

If any 'Catters are in Tralee, Eire, go to the South Pole pub at Anascaul and wonder at Tom's old pub and all the super Antarctic photos. Well worth a trip. The music shop in Tralee is pretty good, too.


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: mg
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 12:39 PM

The style does not sound modern to me and the words sound of an older style but I have not listened for accompaniament. I have a hunch it is for real. We need to find some really old people and ask them if it at least sounds older. mg


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 01:32 PM

That'd be "modern" meaning the way it gets done in a folk context back here. Sort of roughed up.

I suspect that back in the day even Arctic explorers would have been a bit more formal in their approach.

But I could be wrong.


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Subject: RE: 'Ballad of Tom Crean' early recording?
From: mg
Date: 18 Aug 10 - 02:27 PM

I am hoping it is real because these are some of the most amazing men the world has ever produced and it is such a link to the past. mg


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