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'Monster Science' - melody or dots?

Richard Bridge 22 Aug 10 - 10:29 AM
Les in Chorlton 23 Aug 10 - 05:22 AM
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Les in Chorlton 23 Aug 10 - 06:03 AM
Richard Bridge 23 Aug 10 - 06:13 AM
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Richard Bridge 24 Aug 10 - 03:49 AM
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Subject: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 10:29 AM

I used to have a recording of this song (from Raven's "Victoria's Inferno" book collection). Now I can't find it. I think it might have been performed by John Kirkpatrick, but I can't find it in his discography and Mr Google is not being my friend.

Has anyone got a recording of it or the tune set out as dots? I can nearly enough remember it that I could probably manage with dots although I don't read them well.


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 05:22 AM

Hi Richard,
I have a copy of the book.

Page 18 Monster Science -

A Lord of Steel and Iron am I
A Monster in the land
While puny men of bone and blood
Are slaves at my command

But no tune! I gues John K or whoever put a tune to it

L in C#


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 05:42 AM

Curses. I wonder what CD it was off. If I can remember that I can buy another one!

Found it: it is Kirkpatrick, and the melody is his, and my recording was on the "Rough guide to English Roots Music".


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 06:03 AM

Problem solved then?

L in C#


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 06:13 AM

Looks like it. All I have to do now is learn it!


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: JohnB
Date: 23 Aug 10 - 11:09 PM

As I remember it, the tune was awfully similar to Old Maui.
Or at least that was what I drifted into when I tried to sing it.
JohnB


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Aug 10 - 03:49 AM

Someone else said to me when I was trying to remember it that it was like a hymn tune, but I don't know all that many hymns!


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Flashmeister
Date: 24 Aug 10 - 12:53 PM

If you go to Last fm you can hear John Kirkpatrick singing it here:

monster science

It's a great song and he does it v well. Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Aug 10 - 02:25 PM

Well done that man. Now why didn't Mr Google find that for me?


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 05:40 PM

But the chords are still bitches!

All assistance on them gratefully received.

I can nearly play some chords that fit in Kirkpatrick's key - but when I try to transpose into my key they do not sound right.


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Will Fly
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 06:17 PM

The chords don't sound too bad, Richard - what key do you want to do it in?


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:57 PM

I'd guess a top note of c in the refrain would be fairly practical - capoing up is easy if needed!


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 03:21 AM

I'll nip through it this morning and see what I can do...


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 04:40 AM

Many thanks


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 05:57 AM

Had a listen again, Richard. Allowing for the complexity of John's chords (naughty man!), the original sequence in Gm sounds like this to me:

Gm / D / D / Gm / Cm / / / D / / /
Bb / Cm / Cm / Gm / Eb / D / Gm /
D / / / Gm / / / F / / / Bb / / /
Bb / Cm / Dm / Gm / Eb / D / Gm / / /

Like many of these songs, there's a subtle shifting between the major chords and their relative minors, and you must play what suits you.

If you want it down a tad, try it in Em:

Em / B / B / Em / Am / / / B / / /
G / Am / Am / Em / C / B / Em / / /
B / / / Em / / / D / / / G / / /
G / Am / Bm / Em / C / B / Em / / /

I've not put in any 7th chords (like B7) - 'cos John says there aren't any 7th chords in folk music (except that his own tunebook is riddled with 'em!) :-) But - again - you play what you feel like!

Hope this helps.

If it's of any interest, the tune he uses reminds me of a song which I think is called "The Miller of Dee" - with lines like "I care for nobody, no, not I - and nobody cares for me".


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Subject: RE: 'Monster Science' - melody or dots?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 06:34 AM

I had some of those - but my ear was giving me an F#m in stead of the D major in places - and others I had not at all! Using the B major in stead of a Ebm in the lower version is a LOT easier.

And yes, I don't like 7ths in Folk music either!


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