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ragdall 25 Aug 10 - 03:21 PM
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Subject: Tech: Computer processor question
From: ragdall
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 03:21 PM

Intel CORE i3-540 or AMD Athlon II Quad-Core, which would you choose and why?

Thanks,
rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 03:25 PM

Whichever is cheapest.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: ragdall
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 04:25 PM

Paul,
Cheapest would be something much less than either. Do you know anything about either of these or are you expressing your philosophy of computer buying, in general?

Thanks,
rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 04:48 PM

I'd be reluctant to make a choice based only on the processor, unless I intended to build the whole machine from scratch. The integration of the rest of the system components is generally of far greater importance to performance than "just the processor."

Even if you do intend to build from the processor level, you're unlikely to find a "best" processor without deciding what you want your computer to do for you.

If you're buying a computer, I'd recommend you ignore the processor and look at the system specs, price, warranty, and features consistent with your intended use. Both Intel and AMD make far too many processors, mostly quite good and many intended for specific kinds of applications, for anyone to give you a "best" rating on one, without knowing your plans for using it - - IN DETAIL.

So: Best FOR WHAT?

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: olddude
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 04:57 PM

Me I go with the AMD .. fast, very reliable but John makes an excellent point .. it is all about what you want to do with the computer .. AMD is what I use mostly because they are better priced .. it is more about the software included with the purchase and the other features of the machine, than processor anymore unless you are a serious gamer .. those guys get picky about their processors


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: GUEST,ASUS
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 05:52 PM

bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/10/26/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-cpu-review/1

This is a pretty silly forum to be asking your question.

As the others noted your main concern is motherboards.

ASUS

tigerdirect.com is a good source to purchase a MB anc CPU bundle.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: GUEST,DWR
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 06:22 PM

Asus, not to argue with you, but I think this is EXACTLY the right place to ask the question. I won't mention names for fear of leaving someone important out, but you'll find that the answers you get here are as good or better than anywhere else on the net.

You have knowledge delivered in full, served up with kindness and in language all can understand. Those who help out here are performing a service unmatched anywhere that I have found.

I practically always read the tech questions with a great deal of interest even when they don't directly concern me. I have been able to find out so many things of value here.

Dale (who still hasn't replaced the video card and won't find the time to do it until volleyball season is over, but thanks the Catters who so generously shared their knowledge with me.)

I should have worked the word altruism in somewhere up above, so here it is, use it wherever it fits.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 06:32 PM

I'd agree with DWR there. Ask a question on a forum centred round computers and you get answers you can't understand, and geeks competing to show off.

On the Mudcat computers are primarily handy tools for getting to the music, and the answers tend to be in language that reflects that.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 10:24 PM

Again, the critical question is "What do want the computer to do?" Lady Hillary and I have a current stable of a Dell 750, a custom built machine, 3 active laptops and a batch of laptops under reconstruction.

They range in speed from a P III with a clock speed of 850 through a core duo that I happened to pick up which needed rebuilding. Not one of them has a chip speed of greater than 2.8 ghz. All of them do their jobs without complaining. The other day, the P III suddenly slowed down dramatically. I immediately backed up my data and made a list of the programs installed, just in case the hard drive was getting set to pack it in or a program was sick. I then took it to my local Staples to check it out. We shortened the start up menu and added memory. The comment of the kid behind the counter was "Gee, that's almost an antique. Everyone else is using Core 3, 4 or 5." He was helpful but, as I am not a gamer, I saw no need to spend money to step up to the plate.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: ragdall
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 04:18 AM

Thank you all for your responses. I've only used computers for about 15 years and don't know much about the internal workings. I know that there are people on Mudcat who know a lot about computers and probably know if there are problems with one kind or another so it's a good place for someone like me to ask for advice and opinions.

I saw the list of features in the sale flyer and didn't know how to choose between two computers that seemed similar except for the processors. I've always had Intel in my PCs and had no idea what the other one was or how it would compare with Intel. If Dan likes that brand it must be reliable. That's what I needed to know.

Thanks again.
rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 08:52 AM

This PC at my friend's place is an AMD X2 64 bit running Ubuntu. I have just bought an AMD V120 (Toshiba) Win 7 which will have Ubuntu added. My experiences with AMD also from elsewhere, is that they are reliable, and for equivalent power (and that's a large comparative article!) the AMD stuff is usually cheaper.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Paul Burke
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 01:15 PM

As some folks said above, it's all about what you want to use it for. If it's just word processing and browsing the Cat, you hardly need anything. If you're into heavy graphics, cutting- edge games, top- end 3D CAD, FEA analysis or anything like that, you'll need a lot of processor, a lot of memory, top end graphics card big disk etc. etc.

I do a lot of SPICE (electronic simulation), PCB design, and logic synthesis on an ancient Compaq, it's a bit slow but it works better than spending money on power I don't need.

So the answer is- buy the cheapest that will do the job.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Newport Boy
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 01:21 PM

Broadly speaking, if you need top performance for video processing or the latest games, Intel has the fastest/most powerful CPUs - at a price.

For almost everything else, AMD gives performance equal to Intel at lower prices.

I build my own computers, and the last 5 machines I've built use AMD.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Acme
Date: 26 Aug 10 - 03:22 PM

John, I have a question for you. I'm realizing a slowdown in my 5-year-old HP, that runs on a 32-big Intel Pentium 4 CUP at 3.2Ghz. I looked up the specifications for the motherboard in my machine, and I can upgrade to a Pentium 4 (HT) 3.8Ghz machine. Is that .6 Ghz gained worth the trouble and expense of upgrading a single core machine? Do I gain anything in cache or just speed?

SRS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: pavane
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 03:42 AM

Gives Windows more idle time.
If a machine slows down from its previous speed, then it is NOT usually the processor to blame. Software or disk.

One of my laptops sometimes seems to boot occasionally at a much lower CPU speed than usual - only cure is to to reboot again. So it must be a BIOS glitch - CPU speed settings/clock speed maybe


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Simon G
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 08:16 AM

I don't play games, but I do attempt to edit HD video, this is the only thing I do that is anything like CPU intensive.

All the processors (single and dual) I've tried don't get near dealing with the AVCHD that comes off the latest HD video cameras. I assume but don't know for sure that the latest quad processors will do the job. They would only do the job if the software supports them though.

Simon


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 08:34 AM

Rags
I have to go over and check my junk closet for Kendall. Do you want me to see if there is a computer over there for you also ... If so I will ship it to you

Dan


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Newport Boy
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:15 AM

SRS - If your computer is slowing down after 5 years, and you're running Windows, and it hasn't been reinstalled - that's the problem.

Microsoft's management of the registry leaves a lot to be desired, and over time it clogs up with redundant and wrong entries. There are utilities which will clean the registry up, but they are not 100%. Re-installation usually gives a big improvement.

After 5 years, it will not be quick - you need to back up all your data files, including emails, music, pictures. You will also need to reinstall all applications not originally included, and download again all Microsoft's infuriating updates.

I used to reinstall WinXP every 2 years to keep my system working well. Even planning in advance, this took me most of a day. I now use Linux, and the whole process takes half an hour. I did 3 re-installations (on 2 machines) in an afternoon.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:27 AM

SRS
run registry clean up portion of
onecare scanner from Microsoft online at

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Acme
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:04 AM

I upgraded to a bigger faster hard drive with a bigger cache about 2 years ago, and early in 2010 I upgraded to Win7 Ultimate. But I use Adobe InDesign, Photoshop, and Bridge, and I move around huge lots of huge TIFF photo files. That's where the slowdown comes from. I run out of memory.

I am set up for automatic updates, I am set up to defrag once a month (Win7 has some nice features) and I run my antivirus and spyware scans regularly.

I'll take a look at that online scan, Dan. Thanks. Rags, I would personally buy the quad core because of all of my Adobe software, it spreads out the work among the cores and gets it done faster. Even if the "speed" of the quadcore seems to be slower than the other one, it will still probably finish sooner. Finishing the job is the important part, isn't it? Seems to me these faster and faster machines are overkill, we can't detect the difference in most instances anyway.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: olddude
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:06 AM

SRS
the registry cleaner of the onecare does a really good job and making the machine run faster ... that scan is not quick so do it sometime at night and let it crank


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 11:40 AM

Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Simon G - PM
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 08:16 AM

hi simon

I have just bought a new Sony Laptop that has a Intel i7 processor and 8gb memory and 500gb disc.

This was because I bought my good lady a new camera that outputs video in AVCHD and we were running into speed problems on our other computers.

I haven't had time to produce a full length video yet but early trials are very encouraging.

As you and others say High Def video sure does take some power for editing. But then again video of whatever ilk has always been this way.

I am not sire whether the computer processing power ever keeps up with the constant upgrading of video formats.

Another problem I find is that the processing and editing programs don't keep pace either. Some companies try to and give up the ghost in trying to upgrade so you ( we) have to buy new software applications eg photoshop et al.

Me.....I keep on running but I never quite keep up....lol

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Acme
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 12:00 PM

Thanks, Dan. This is the link for the Vista and Win7 scan.

I'll go through and tidy up with my usual software stuff first, disk cleanup, scans, etc.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: GUEST,ASUS
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 06:56 AM

Consider a "cloud based" system for under 300 USD.

Wall Street Journal on Friday, August 27, 2010.

"Intel Warns on PC Demand."


It is a weak market. PC sales falter.

Schools are now in session .... and students have already purchased ....
The fiscal year for (many) corporations began July 01, 2010 .... new orders would have been logged by now.

Intel Corp. weak demand for personal computers....WSJ Friday,
Despite the warning, Intel shares rose 1.1% to $18.37 on the Nasdaq Stock Market Friday.

Asustek Computer Inc. said the iPad was hurting sales of its EEE netbook, a low-cost notebook PC. (poor, poor, India and greedy UK lawyers))

40% of the iPads Apple will sell in the second half of the year will come at the expense of notebook PCs.

Wait six months. The crystal balls say:
~ Prospects for the U.K. economy remain bleak.
~ “... things now in the U.S. are much, much worse than Japan a decade ago”
~ "the Aussie’s rally is over the MP is ready to tax"
"stronger-than-expected jobless data"
~ "Slower U.S. Economy To Hurt Mexico"
BUT THEN GRAB QUICK BECAUSE...."the Fed's exit strategy is not credible, and that means a serious risk of high inflation down the road."
"Outlook for gold looks favorable after Bernanke speech"
"The central banks of China and India were also increasing their gold reserves,"
"Domestic gold prices surpassed 29 million VND (1,500 USD) per tael " Vietnam (People's Army Newspaper"
"Mexico's national airline is bankrupt - and has stopped all flying."
Bank Failures USA - 2010 Through August 109 total....in 2001 only five for the year.

(Source reports from the central bankers’ symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyoming August 27.2010)


Based on the ratio 9 to 10 BS postings under your Mudcat name.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 08:07 AM

SRS - that url only will run in IE - it doesn't like Firefox at all in Win 7....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 08:37 AM

If you click Safety Scanner on the left on the Win7/Vista page, it takes you to another page where you can run it under Firefox (or Win XP in my case)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer processor question
From: Acme
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 11:52 AM

Robin, I know that. I only go to Mickeysoft with IE.

I set it up at bedtime last night and it seems to have scanned for a while then the computer went to sleep. I reset that this morning and I'm not on the computer much and it's scanning. I move the mouse once an hour or so and that keeps it going. 21% scanned in the virus and spyware scan, and the one I'm waiting for is three items down on the list of things it will scan and run. The fragmentation scan should be quick and the cleanup scan because I did a cleanup yesterday and I have it set to defrag once a month.

SRS


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