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How did you find Whitby folk week

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Subject: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 04:56 AM

With the regatta the same week the town seemed to be crowded with people eating fish and chips from the ever increasing number of chip shops. Most of the concerts we wanted to see were full so came home felling we had spent a lot of money for very little. Doe's anyone else feel the same?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Squeezeboxhp
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 06:13 AM

I enjoyed every minuit. Last day today be glad of a rest


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 06:23 AM

NO!
Regatta was only the first weekend. The town became quieter (!) after that :)
Excellent fish and chips are one of the many wonderful things about the whitby area.
Some concerts do get full, so get there earlier- or find something else to go to, there is no end of choice.
Perhaps though, negative Guest, Whitby folk week is not for you?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: cooperman
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 06:31 AM

I too enjoyed every minute. It is an event we should cherish and support. It would be a crying shame if we ever lost it.
The clash with the regatta is a pain however. Don't think it happens next year but it needs thinking about for future.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 06:34 AM

Nope

We live here and rarely eat fish and chips! and as far as I know (Though I may be mistaken) we have the same number of F&C shops as we had last year.

Depends what you come here for we have been in the FILO singaround all week and have had a great time meeting new people and some old friends.

Still got two more sessions and a survivors night to go!!!!

CC


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 07:31 AM

Whitby is one of the few places I will eat fish & chips, the shops are so busy that everything is freshly cooked and delicious, Whitby Folk Week is unique, long may it continue.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 08:34 AM

I usually find Whitby Folk Week from here in Whitstable by driving up the A2 then the M25 via Dartford tunnel, M11, A1 then A64, driving through York, not round it as I'm from York and I like to see it now and again. Then to Malton, Pickering and across Gods chosen countryside to Whitby.
Al


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: John J
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:07 AM

Good heavens Al, you're going a long way round - why go via Lancashire from Pickering?

JJ


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:25 AM

NO!!! Never the Dark Side.....by eck me Mam told me about you lot
Al


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Charmion
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:32 AM

We found it on an Ordnance Survey map. Mudcat was also helpful.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: JHW
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 09:50 AM

Having beat a hasty retreat from a 'regatta' in 2009 I knew better than to go there at the weekend.
On Tuesday it was fine and I heard some great songs in the Station.
The songs were free (see Conrad elsewhere on Mudcat) but the beer, though good, was £3 a pint.
No wonder we see boarded up pubs everywhere.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 10:44 AM

Black Sheep 2.50 a pint in the met :)


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Tootler
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 12:37 PM

Just went for two days but had a great time.

Workshops in the morning, Sessions in the afternoon and early evening, Singarounds to end the day. Brilliant.

Particularly enjoyed Dave Townsends West Gallery Workshops. Pity about the change of venue, St Ninians just creates the right atmosphere for the music, but the changed venue had its own advantages.

Beer was a little more than we pay here in Middlesbrough, but not excessively so. I certainly didn't have to pay £3.00 pounds anywhere.

The ling is just coming into bloom so the drive over the moors in the morning was lovely.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 01:37 PM

Noreen
What's this I hear about you dancing the night away with Mudcat Max?

Is there something we should know? :-)


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,johnp
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 04:12 PM

just got home. Spent the week mainly in the small room in the station.Playing and singing with friends. Had a great time.
johnp


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: JHW
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:56 AM

Had a grand pie peas and mash in the 'post war' eatery for a fiver. Over the bridge, past the chips on the right and just round the corner.

The heather indeed is blooming.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 06:04 AM

Just driving back after a fantastic week. It was busy during the regatta but didn't spoil our fun. We had great sessions in the Endeavour with Les and Maggie and in the Station. Beer was at least £3 a pint wherever we went but we didn't let that stop us :) Can't wait for next year now.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Betsy
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 06:22 AM

Sounds like the main events were well supported and possibly oversubscribed at times - I know not.

I only write to comment on the "fringe".

My experience of visiting the Fleece on one afternoon, was to hear Fields of Athenry - in the conservatory part, in the adjoining room was a rendition of House of the Rising Sun , and in the small front room when I finally counted my blessings at getting a seat , the next singer sang Boy named Sue.
Each one to their own I suppose, and the Fest is not responsible for the "fringe" and the music it attracts.

I guess they all were enjoying themselves but ....

Fortunately, before reaching the Fleece I had the last hour or so at Mick Haywood's singaround in the Friendship - which was more like the songs which I had hoped to hear.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 07:16 AM

Notes from "the fringe":

Another amazing week - though weekend Regatta drinks prices in the Fleece helped to re-direct a hundred or so down to the Bottom House, thus leaving the Fleece management to contemplate their Marketing strategy for the rest of the week and beyond.

The Bottom House was packed all week with singers and musicians of all stripes and a goodly number of holidaymakers who were willing to make the hike. Music was (predictably) extremely varied; from traditional folk through to Lilley the Pink and Ernie the Fastest Milkman in the West. If you like your music tightly wrapped in a narrow band you would probably not have enjoyed it. However - if you love the collective spirit of music, and feel the energy that is generated from so many people singing and laughing together that the roof starts to lift, then give it a go next year. The landlord put up a sign saying "WHITBY FOLK WEEK IS HERE" - he may be right.

Each to their own I suppose.

PS Lilley The Pink and Ernie had to be seen and heard to be believed; now I'll await the shouts of derision....


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Betsy
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 07:25 AM

Time and circumstances perhaps James - and I hope you don't believe that I like my "music tightly wrapped in a narrow band" - Mick's singaround was a great cross section of music and song - dare I use the words
" very entertaining " ?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Ann N
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 08:00 AM

There were great sessions every evening in the 'First Inn last Out' up on the 'Railway'. Really good singers with a varied selection of songs and sandwiches provided free at 'half time' :)


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Les from Hull
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 12:36 PM

Thanks to everyone who came to our evening singarounds in the Endeavour. We hope you enjoyed yourselves as much as we did.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Nick
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 01:13 PM

Enjoyed myself as usual and bumped into lots of people I know. Only managed the Fleece, Middle Earth, Station and Bottom but it was fun.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 01:29 PM

Theakston's Dark £1.90 a pint.
That's why I always steward at the Conservative Club, for the festival folk club?
Had a great Whitby, weather was great apart from 1 day. Met loads of old mates, and wore me legs out climbing up the hills.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,DaveMc
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 02:38 PM

I had a good time in Whitby but thought the programmed concerts were a bit tired. There seemed to be the same number of slots as at my 4 previous festivals - but it felt like the same acts were repeated more frequently. By Tuesday I'd got a bit bored, and it had become harder to dodge the turkeys, so we made the most of the weather and went off to do non-folky things most of the time. I doubt that I'll buy a season ticket again. I haven't felt like this about previous Whitby festivals.

There were fewer discoveries than earlier festivals (though I did enjoy Ewan McLennan and Sam Sweeney & Hannah James). The best event of the week, for me, was the Moody and Sankey sing at St Ninian's.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Diva
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:20 PM

Had a brilliant time guid company guid craic...parts resememble episodes of father ted........lots of singing
am knackerd


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: gnu
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:22 PM

Father Ted... sounds like some stories?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:24 PM

I'm just back. Had a good time and will most likely be back next year. Couldn't do quite as much as we'd planned since Marion's recovering from a stroke - she gets tired very easily, so I had to get her back to the flat when that happened, and do more domestic stuff than intended. Still, we wouldn't have been anywhere else.

Highlights: meeting up with Max (who is a wonderfully laid-back person to share a house with) and the two events I went to that Johnny Handle was involved in:

- a session on mining songs, with what for me was the most moving song of the week, an unaccompanied song about what mining does to your body and spirit, written and sung by a man called Paddy in a purple shirt with an expressive bass voice - I don't know who Paddy was but I hope to hear from him again.

- an English tunes session, which went well beyond simply leading tune sets to give ideas about musical stagecraft.

Anahata's English tune session was also a great example in how to communicate to players without saying a word. He can make his instrument do the talking just by hitting accents in the right places.

Nice hearing so much English music for a change. It gradually came through to me that one distinctive thing about it is that it scales up. Sessions of similar size doing Irish music are usually a mess (as exemplified by every pub doing it that I looked into that week), and for Scottish or Shetland music they can sound rather dogged with everybody trying to do exactly the same thing (think of strathspey and reel societies). But for English music, the very strong beat allows for a wider variety of instruments to contribute in a wider variety of ways. It can use an orchestral-sized group without sounding in the least like a classical orchestra.

We figured that our season tickets just about broke even. The only real advantage was getting ahead of the on-the-spot buyers for sold-out events.

Of which there were too many. Not sure what they can do about it. I hate queueing so we may just get on-the-spot tickets next year and accept that we may not get in to the most popular events.

Some things I didn't expect:

- lots of French music. (Would have helped if the people running the European music had said that that was what they were overwhelmingly interested in - I could have boned up on some).

- lots of unusual instruments. I didn't expect to be in a lineup featuring my stuff (odd enough), phonofiddle, trombone, and contrabass concertina (like a large black hatbox enclosing an angry bonsaied hippo).

- zillions of spoons (thanks to Jeff Warner's workshop, I think) and hardly any bodhrans (maybe they stayed in the Irish session pubs all week).

- one of the chippies was crap. Looked great until you actually got the food (mushy cod and chips that tasted like they'd been reheated). On the other hand the Greedy Pig in Flowergate is wonderful.

- Dracula tat everywhere.

- the festival office is in a lousy location. Parking was all full up around there, and if you were coming by train it was a huge grunt up the hill. It would help if the Wailer was distributed to at least one point near sea level (the tourist information office?).

- I don't think I have ever been anywhere where there have been so many disabled people - negotiating massed crutches in a pub session was a new experience. I can't imagine why all those people with mobility problems pick such a disabled-unfriendly place to visit, but if they have any ideas about how to make it easier (short of bulldozing the hills flat) maybe they should contribute them.

- hardly any drunks. In a comparable Scottish event, there would be lubricated locals and stocious folkies littering the whole town. The only drunk folkies I saw were Scottish people I knew from back home or country & western types.

- the cheapest beer in town is at a place I'd never have thought of. Is that how the Tories recruit new members?

- it was all far friendlier than I'd thought it would be.

With one exception. Some of the people at the two Mudgather events were unwilling to recognize the existence of anybody they didn't know already. Hey, when somebody walks into a gathering and obviously knows Dick, Susan and Max, it's rather likely they're a Mudcatter, isn't it? And maybe might want to be asked when the singaround turn comes round, or when you're compiling a list of who's there?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Diva
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 04:45 PM

some crackin ballads   it was great to meet up with Marion again, she was singig up a storm

Gnu..could write a book about the stories.......


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Cats
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 05:34 PM

just got back after a 9 hour drive home and it was worth every minute. had afabulous time, loads of friends, brilliant to meet Max and take him for afternoon tea and fish and chips [not at the same time] Thanks to Jim and Graeme for lunchtime in the Endeavour and Les and Maggie in the evening. Highlights have to be the boat trip to staithes, the Yorkshire carols, the Baring Gould workshops, Taffy's tale coat and all the money raised for whitby lifeboat


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Ann N
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 05:42 PM

Survivors sessions still going at the FILO :)


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 05:44 PM

Great singarounds in the Endeavour and Station, and we had a wonderful afternoon in the Dolphin at Robin Hood's Bay with Jim Causley, Tony Hall, Les Dawson and Briony.

Next year the regatta is the weekend before Folk Week starts.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 05:46 PM

That should of course have been Brian Dawson... but it's getting late and we've been travelling back home today...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 06:06 PM

Wotcha Diva ... I left Marian in one piece at Kings Cross en route to St Pancras for her journey home a few hours ago. I had a good Whitby, though curtailed by mobility problems a bit. I sadly missed my favourite venue - the Museum Lecture room (and the Museum Cafe, purveyor of superb home made cakes, scones, quiche etc) ... the Coliseum is no subsititute (and the bleacher seating legroom there is very very poor). It was good to see old friends again, spend too much time nattering too!! And to find out that certain people you've been singing with for the last couple of years in the wee small hours of the morning, and in ballad sessions were unexpectedly on here as well ... LOL!! And I recall a certain rather interesting ballad about blackbirds!!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Mo the caller
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 06:52 PM

I agree with Jack about the Wailer. Since the office doesn't open till the workshops have started there just isn't time to get one without missing more than you already miss by running between venues. Please send them round to all the stewards, someone.

For me, every year has some constant threads and old favourites, and a 'try something new' which flavours the week.

The dances and dance workshops have always been the backbone of the festival.
One year was Peter Mayes playing for dancing (learning tunes slowly from 'Join the Band'), and the year after we did it with real live Hobby Horse Club dancers. Once it was Jane Ball's folk Orchestra. Once a series of harmony workshops.
Then after a break of 20 years we came back and found George Garside's slow sessions. Now after a couple more years of trying to fit in the varied sessions as well as the dancing I was back to May Cheadle's REALLY SLOW session, with a new instrument, and found I was coping better by the end of the week than at the start.
And this year we got to the Saturday singing in the Endeavour, we've never tried to go to one before as we thought we wouldn't get in if we'd run over after an 11.30-12.50 workshop in the Spa, but on Sat it kicked our festival off nicely.
And we always manage to fit in one or two concerts.

We'll be back, already booked the flat and the tickets.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Barb'ry
Date: 28 Aug 10 - 07:26 PM

Had a brilliant time as usual. Did more fringe things this year and had some excellent sings at the Endeavour with Les and Maggie (thank you both) and at the Board for the Mudgather. Did go to quite a lot of programmed events though, most of which were really good...
It was great to meet Max - an added bonus for the festival and I feel one that should be repeated as often as possible!
Lovely to meet up with old friends and new as well. Can't wait to go back next year.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: r.padgett
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 02:46 AM

Not like Kitty to call Brian, Les Dawson ~ lol!! [sorry Kitty!]

I spent hours in the Con club 4 nights compering there

Floor singers, 'undreds of 'em ~ lots from Bonny Scotland, 'Ull and some Greeeat, festival guests

Thanks to the stewards, John Mckenzie (above) and Karina Knight and for singing too!

What about next years festival guests? and how should they be paid?

On or two things needs sorting yet but I think that by and large 'tis the nature of Whitby ff is all about

I am enlghtened about the Reggatta date and non clash, thanks!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 04:41 AM

Ray you did a grand job mate. Not easy squeezing 12 floor singers and 4 booked acts, into such a small time, but you managed it. Only problem was, we heard less of your singing.
See you there next year?

JM


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:54 AM

I saw one of the concerts Ray compered - brilliant job. Karina is a wonderful singer.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 06:33 AM

I couldn't get out to much - too busy selling books. But it was great to meet some old friends including Jack (above) whose comments seem very fair too me. And I wholeheartedly agree what he says about bodhrans and people with mobility problems. Amazing that so many choose such an unfriendly place as far as mobility is concerned. God to meet Max - lovely bloke.

As far as drunks were concerned, some venues seemed to run out of alcohol very quickly (Metropole on Irish Night for example and the Resolution seemed to be out of beer by Friday evening).


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 06:36 AM

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God to meet Max
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Blimey was he that popular.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Mary
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 08:59 AM

Another enjoyable week - good to see May Cheadle's lunchtime session in the spa hall rather than foyer as it made the event more comfortable. Pity the Tai Chi sessions were not in the school or somewhere more central than Stakesby school. Maybe a bit of a spin off from folk but many people might have like d to try it,


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Mo the caller
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 09:40 AM

Yes, when we moved from the foyer to the hall I found I could sit a bit further away from other people and (a) not annoy them so much with my wrong notes, (b) hear which wrong notes I was playing


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:16 AM

Had a great time at Whitby. Loved everything thought the orchestra was ace and also the Workshy Profits!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Willa
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:24 AM

I enjoyed all the events I attended. Ray, you did a great job. Agree with the comments about the singing of Jock and Karina. It was good to see and hear Marian again.

Please pass on comments(good or bad, as long as they are constructive) to the committee for consideration, as I've no doubt they're working on next year's FF already.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Bodbum
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 10:53 AM

This was my first Whitby Festival. Had a fantastic time.
Didn't go to any concerts, had such a great time at the singarounds and sessions. It's also the first time I've really explored Whitby. Think I've seen all the nooks and crannies now.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: vectis
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 11:21 AM

Bodbum
I have been going to Whitby for quite a few years now and am still discovering new nooks and crannies galore every year.

Lovely to see all my northern mates and quite a few fellow softy southerners came up too. A smashing festival with oodles to do with or without a ticket.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: bfdk
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 12:44 PM

Had a great time hoofing at all the ceilidhs in the Spa and this year managed to get a full set of 'notches' in my season ticket for attendance. I did Molly and Welsh dance workshops, managed to see Martyn Wyndham-Read a few times and saw Stan Graham for the first time. Got new CDs from both, but haven't been near a cd player yet, so haven't been able to listen to them yet. I watched loads of morris displays around town. I was terribly disappointed that there wasn't any border morris workshops this year, though.

Sadly, I didn't have time to attend the mudgather, so the only catters I met or bumped into were Giok, Bill Sables and Noreen. Would have liked to meet Hils again and say hi to Max, but it weren't to be.

Weatherwise, it's the best Whitby festival I've been to, just the one day of rotten weather.

I have quite a lot of video recorded which will go online once I get it sorted, but it'll be a while as I'll be going away again next weekend for a dance weekend in Denmark.

Best wishes,
Bente


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: treewind
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:27 PM

We enjoyed it, but behind the scenes there were a few organisational disconnections. E.g. many changes of programme, some of which weren't reported in the Wailer. We were put into the late night concert on Tuesday at short notice, but immediately before the concert, the MC didn't even know about this change - fortunately we know him and he was able to give us an informed introduction.

We found a workshop had been cancelled but the stewards hadn't been told, so the punters waited an hour for the leader to turn up...

Also none of the booked guests seem to have been sent any kind of working timetable in advance - this would have enabled some of the problems to have been sorted out so the printed programme would have been more accurate.

From the audience's point of view, all this doesn't seem to have mattered too much.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 01:44 PM

Surely that wouldn't have happened in Malcolm Storey's days would it Anahata?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Diva
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 02:23 PM

Good to catch up with Surrysinger and I'm glad you like The Blackbird........have made mental note NOT to sing it infront of Irish speakers Ochone LOL......

Loads of highlights Tom McCarthy, Scots Concert (that I nearly sang in....ah mego stardom will just have to wait..hehee)

Jeannie Jenkins as sung by Sandra Kerr and Janet Russell....yir accents were fine girls.

The Mining Songs workshop

ach loads The after hours singing with old pals and new .............


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: treewind
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 02:32 PM

"wouldn't have happened in Malcolm Storey's days"

He used to send performers a working programme often with too much in it; you crossed out what you thought was excessive or impossble and sent it back, and negotiations continued from there as necessary...


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Mo the caller
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:19 PM

I can remember 25 or so years ago dance bands complaining of needing to be in 2 places at once


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:21 PM

LOL

Malcolm's a good bloke and it's a shame he stopped.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: r.padgett
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:22 PM

Would love to be asked to "guest" at Wff

As it was I gave up my time to hear others, with the exception of the Friday Yorkshire concert where some were " a bit tired" and John Greaves recovering from an operation

The traditional singers have always been a feature, and so shgould continue augmented by some newer traditionalist, like John Conolly

There are some excellent singers worthy of being included in the guest list, Geoff Lawes, Hissyfit, Wendy Arrowsmith, Anna Shannon (was she there?)

Loved Bert Draycott as I said, funny men are at a premium!

Garside/Gough/Shanty Jack/Fyrish/Chris McShane/Gerry McNeice/Gilmore and Roberts/

Idea to use the Spa Theatre for more concerts and separate events, Jez Lowe, Show of hands, Vin Garbut, Bellow Head, Chris and Denny etc

Ray


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:32 PM

Quote from Ray Padgett

Idea to use the Spa Theatre for more concerts and separate events, Jez Lowe, Show of hands, Vin Garbut, Bellow Head, Chris and Denny etc

End of quote

I would have included Shep Woolley and Bram Taylor as well.

I agree about John Conolly, but I would have added Bill Whaley & Dave Fletcher as well.

Agree with you about Hissyfit.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: r.padgett
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:51 PM

Indeed list meant to be added to!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 03:55 PM

As I mentioned to you the other day Ray, I would like to see Dave Goulder back at Whitby. It's long overdue in my book.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 04:13 PM

Bert Draycott was a surprise guest at Jim and Graeme's maritime singaround in the Endeavour... his material's not really maritime at all, apart from the reference to surfing at Newquay, but oh what a star!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:31 PM

What about Graham Moore


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 05:58 PM

Last I heard Graham was living in France!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 08:02 PM

"Last I heard Graham was living in France! "

SO??!!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Joe Nicholson
Date: 29 Aug 10 - 08:21 PM

We had a good time in The Rifle Club packed every night except Friday when a lot of people had gone home (exhausted I think). Mo counted the songs/poems etc. and she came up with threehundred and eighty with only four repeats.Not bad for a weeks work.

Joe Nicholson


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 01:20 AM

He might not be contactable. Agreed he would be a great guest, when was he last there Malcolm?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Wheatman
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 02:28 AM

My first trip to Whitby Festival since 1968, Christine's first visit ever. We were concerned that we would have to "break" into the circle. This was not the case, every one was very welcoming. The Stewards on the official camp site were outstandingly helpful. The movements between venues were a problem (oh those hills) especially as most of the official concert type events were at times over subscribed and it seemed you had to be at the venue at least 1 hour before the programmed start. Well done also to the steward at the Met who managed to squeeze us in the Northumberland evening but the singers should have used the P.A. I must admit we were expecting a non dancing ceiligh as is the Mart at Rothbury. Difficult to single out outstanding performers as 90% of the guests were well up to the mark. The highlights for me were, Songs of the Western States, Miners Strike concert and the Mining Songs presented by Jonny and Christine (as you would expect from me), Pete Coes Strings workshop (inspiring) and Pete's CD Launch. Bill Whaley and Dave Fletcher presented a blistering set in the last concert at the Met. The boat trip to Staiths on Tuesday afternoon was great fun especially when we got the pub and the locals told us we should not sing as the pub did not have a music licence, the land lord did not seem to mind and supplied free chips (as if we hadn't had enough already). The whole festival was like an iced bun, naughty but nice and the cherry on the top of the bun (for me) was singing Keep Your Feet Still at the music session in the Con Club (cheap beer) with Jonny backing me. I guess that's my 5 mins of fame, we will return. Brian


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 02:36 AM

Fantastic. The atmosphere was tremendous. It's a fact that you need to get to many venues half an hour before your chosen event starts, but that's because the venues are all on a human scale - no huge stages with masses of amplification.

I spent most of my time in the Con Club with visits to the Rifle Club, the Rugby Club, the Spa, the Met and the Stakesby. The choice of beers was particularly good in the Rifle Club and I thought beer everywhere was on average cheaper than the £2.70 a pint I'm accustomed to paying at home in Lewes.

I've never had better fish & chips than at the Silver Street Fisheries. Alexander's were also pretty good and you can always sit down inside. There were cheap and cheerful filled rolls at the Festival cafe and the Con Club (£2.50-ish).

I believe that the date of the regatta is determined by the tide, so there isn't scope for moving it away from the Festival weekend when the two coincide unless someone is able to open negotiations with whoever is responsible for the phases of the moon. This has the administrative nuisance that human sacrifice might be required, but if anyone would like to compile a list of candidates now is a good time to start.

Valmai Goodyear
Spare Parts Concertina Band


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:58 AM

Valmai, I have deleted my cookie put this as I wish in this instance to submit as a guest. As you suggest the regatta is determined by the tide, if however the regatta had been held a fortnight earlier as is often the case (13/14/15 August in 2011, 10/11/12 August 2013, 9/10/11 August 2014 .... you get the picture) the difference in the tides would have been as follows (All times GMT)

Date    High Tide    Height      Date   High Tide   Height
Friday 6 13.19         4.4m       Friday 20


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 04:13 AM

I'll try that again

Date      High Tide      Height Date       High Tide   Height
Friday 6    13.19       4.4m    Friday 20    14.06    4.3m         
Saturday 7 14.32       4.7m    Saturday 21 15.05    4.5m
Sunday 8    15.32       5.0m    Sunday 22    15.50   4.7m         
Monday 9    16.22       5.3m    Monday 23    16.27 4.9m            

As you can see the maximum difference in the times of the high tide over the 4 days of racing is 47 minutes, the minimum is 5 minutes, the maximum difference in the actual height of the tide is 400mm. Now I am not a rower and there may be other considerations that I am not aware of, however I do hear every time there is a clash between regatta and folk week that it is the tides that determine when the regatta is held, on the above information I put my case, people may have more knowledge than I do and I would like to be made aware of considerations if they have an influence on determining regatta.

PS Joy of joys they clash again in 2012


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 04:15 AM

The rumours fly as to the reasons for the clash. I heard a new one this year.
It was alleged that a lady councillor [Conservative of course!], who doesn't like Folk Week, vetoed attempts to move the regatta dates, so they didn't clash.
Is this total crap, Labour propaganda, or the gospel truth?
I leave that decision to others.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Johnjo
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 04:55 AM

Long time lurker here, but the first time posting with my own cookie.

I very much enjoyed the 3 nights spent with Mo & Joe at the Rifle Club (thanks), and especially George Garside's sessions at the Middle Earth (shame there were only 2 though), along with Mary & Anahata's session in the Con Club.

The highlight has to be the couple of hours spent in the Elsinore with the gathered hordes from the melodeon.net forum. Someone said they counted 18 box players, all giving it heavy welly. melodeon-anorak heaven!

Johnjo


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:42 AM

I heard the most bizarre session request ever.

The session at the Station Inn was hosted by a student band from Sheffield (very nice people and fine players, but over-arranged settings for that venue - it would have been more effective to dump the arrangements and play the tunes and songs straight, which they were perfectly capable of doing). They mostly did Irish stuff with a bit of Scottish thrown in.

Near the end of one evening, after listening for at least an hour, a young bearded guy asked "could you play any Crass?". He appeared to be perfectly serious. Most of the band wasn't even born when Crass last performed, and I doubt if he was either. He spent some time explaining who Crass were. We should have asked him to sing some so we could fake it.

(If any of the band are reading this, I was the guy with the red picnic stool full of assorted instruments).


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Mo the caller
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:27 AM

I don't understand that, Guest. I thought tides always moved by the same amount. But the difference between Sun 22nd & Mon 23rd is only 37min, while between Fri 6th & Sat 7 is 1hr 13min.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,JAM
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:05 AM

In reply to 'Liberty Boy' the last time Graham Moore was booked at WFW was 2006. Graham has an informative website with contact details. It would be great to see him back at the festival.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 07:31 AM

Mo the Caller,
Tides vary according to the strength of gravitational pull of the moon, if the moon is full it has a greater pull than when it is a crescent, I do not pretend to understand the vagaries of the science however, I doubt if many do. The rise and fall varies with the moons fullness and the time of the tide also varies each day being a slightly longer (or shorter) time between high and low tides. It is possible to preict with a fair degree of accuracy the height of the tide for years in advance, for instance on September 20 2015 the tide is predicted to be 6.4 metres, the highest tide in whitby for some 20 years or so.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:58 AM

Thanks 'Jam'. I agree, a cracking performer with great songs.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Paddy123
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 03:54 PM

Hello Jack,
A friend told me of your comments on mudcat. So I thought I would get in touch. I sang the song it is called What fettle old marra. I wrote it about 18 years ago now. Pleased you liked it. I do have it on a CD that I made of my songs if your interested let me know. my email is alanpaddy@googlemail.com

cheers Paddy


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 04:37 PM

Whitby was, as I've found it to be for the six times I've been able to attend, wondrous. Fine music everywhere, separated by steep hills.
Parking this year was sparse to non-existent, so that my aging knees
restricted our choice of venues--there's not much time allowed between events-- and event organization seemed a bit more haphazard than it had in past years, but the music and the people were grand.
    Unlike many Mudcatters, Susan and I have chosen to focus on planned events, rather than fringe activities. There was too much good music for us to skip at the events, and pubs tend to get too crowded for my taste. But I've come to know so may Whitby regulars that going seems to be like coming home.
    I wish we could make it every year. As it is, we've already pencilled 2012 on our calendar.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 06:58 PM

Jim and Graeme's maritime singarounds in the Endeavour raised £1733 for the lifeboat.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:53 PM

Jim and Graham - magnificent!

Maybe someone ought to tell the local rag.

TIDES

Total rubbish - the reason for the Regatta choosing the dates it did were probably dictated by the Tall Ships event in Hartlepool, but getting even a semblance of the real facts from the Regatta is almost impossible.

The unfortunate Monday weather saved the Regatta a large chunk of money because of the non-show of the Red Arrows so hopefully the Regatta's nominated beneficiary, the RNLI, will have done doubly well this year.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:55 PM

Sorry Graham it's Graeme


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Old Vermin
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:26 AM

Has any considered actually asking the Regatta organisers how they chose the date? They'll probably be friendly and willing to chat.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:36 AM

The unfortunate Monday weather saved the Regatta a large chunk of money because of the non-show of the Red Arrows so hopefully the Regatta's nominated beneficiary, the RNLI, will have done doubly well this year.

That was an eye-opener. The military actually CHARGES people to do propaganda displays?

I presume the rally of vintage vehicles and engines was an add-on to the regatta rather than to the Folk Week. It was pretty interesting. (And at a guess they didn't charge to do it).


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:39 AM

Apologies for the misinformation about the tides dictating the regatta date - I'd been told that this was gospel, but Malcolm will be better-informed than anyone not directly involved in organising the jolly boatmen.

Valmai


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:18 AM

Valmai

The information I gave about the tide times was accurate to the minute, there was no mis-information, I think Malcolm was trying to say that the reason given by the Regatta committee for holding the regatta was not so much driven by the tides that weekend but by other factors.

Regards


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Barb'ry
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:31 AM

Did anyone see the commodore/person in charge of the regatta being interviewed on tv? The film clip showed hundreds of people milling around town, people singing/playing instruments and dancing as well as watching the regatta and not one word was mentioned about Folk week! All credit for pulling people in to Whitby was due, allegedly, to the regatta!
I couldn't decide whether the woman in question might have mentioned folk week and it had been edited out, or she had 'forgotten' to mention it at all (in which case the reporter should be drummed out for not finding out the facts). Either way, it was a shame.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:45 AM

How was Whitby Folk Week for me? It was great – the thought that there won't be another one for 51 weeks is very depressing.

Problems? None, apart from my own inadequacies - the inability to be in two places at once, and the need for a few hours sleep every night.   There were so many goodies on offer that nobody needed to go short.

Highlights? Top of the list was the Monday night gathering in Max's honour at the Endeavour – great to meet so many 'catters and hear them sing and play. Also highly memorable were Will Kaufman's marvellous multi-media presentation about the life and songs of Woody Guthrie, and Doc Rowe's fascinating archive film shows. And as usual, the sessions and sing-arounds at the Station Hotel (the raucous ones in the big back bar, and the more decorous ones in the little front bars)were great fun.

Like Arnie the Terminator, I'll be back.

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:55 AM

My understanding is that The Red Arrows appear for free but the booker has to pay for public liability insurance.

All the best

Jim Hancock


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:46 PM

Mike oN - we had the slightly unnerving experience of realising that Doc Rowe was filming us singing in the family room of the Station Inn on Friday evening! We've rebooked the B&B for next year - see you in just under 51 weeks.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: r.padgett
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:25 PM

o fame at last Kitty!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:58 PM

Herga Kitty: "Mike oN - we had the slightly unnerving experience of realising that Doc Rowe was filming us singing in the family room of the Station Inn on Friday evening!"

Kitty, I can understand your Friday night nerves! At the Wednesday night ceilidh, just as we were going on, I realised that Doc Rowe was filming Hexham Morrismen's spot. Fortunately nobody fell over, dropped a stick, or lost the plot - but no doubt the video will expose a few technical flaws for other Morris-persons to mock, if and when it becomes publicly available.

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Ann N
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:04 PM

Had a great time and my friends bagged the spare room for next year almost as soon as they'd unpacked for this one :)

Only got to a few official events as there was so much going on in 'the fringe'

I didn't see the TV interview (too busy with music/sessions etc) but in the run up to Regatta/Folk Week the local radio station had several interviews with Regatta officials and they all said that the committees for both events were working together to ensure that everything went as smoothly as possible :D


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Mo the caller
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:09 AM

Ann said "my friends bagged the spare room for next year almost as soon as they'd unpacked for this one"

We booked for next year in July, when we paid the balance for our self catering flat (been caught out by leaving it till August).


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 07:52 AM

Speaking as a person who some years ago used to be the one responsible for the figures published in the Admiralty Tide Tables, it all gets rather complicated in some locations.

Surpisingly it is all a bit like music!

You would think that the variations ot the pull of the moon and that of the sun would make for a pattern of tides that could easily be deduced, but you have to consider 64 different "harmonic constants" and see if the maginitude of each of them is sufficient to make a difference. They are all deduced from readings taken at the location over a number of years and then in turn used for prediction. The shape of the coastline and seabottom depths will affect which of the harmonic constants come to the fore for each location.

If you think of each harmonic constant as describing a sine wave of a particular wavelength, telling you the amplitude and the offset of the starting position, then all you have to do is add up the heights of each one at a particular time to get your prediction. You can see why it all became easier with the use of computers.

We used to have a mechanical "predicting engine" at the Hydrographic Office that used just the 16 most important constants. A fascinating piece of machinery!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Lurkio
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 09:49 AM

This year was (I think) my 30th Whitby. I often think that the location is so charming and interesting that the festival organisers could easily become complacent about the events on offer, knowing that most people would return to Whitby regardless. Thankfully, this has never been the case in my experience, and the festival never disappoints. I still miss Roy Atkinson's fringe competition and the old tooth-loosening scrum for the heather, but I wouldn't miss my time there for the festival for the world. Thanks to all involved in this year's event.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:08 AM

Just been speaking with Graham Moore and he is a alive and kicking.
He is away at the moment, but said that if the organisers wanted to book him for next year, he would be more than happy to oblige. Just e-mail him and he will reply.

He asked me to say hello to everyone and of course Malcolm Storey. He said he is missing the lobsters and crab sandwiches.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: JHW
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:08 PM

Re the Tides and Regatta?
Now I wouldn't know a Coxless Pear from an Orange Pippin but does the FLOW of the river change with height of the tide?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: treewind
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:36 PM

The flow of the river is affected by the FLOW of the tide!
Tide coming in - river is slower; tide going out: river is faster.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:48 PM

JHW

The effects would vary considerably depending on the size depth and course of the river, the weather conditions at the time and the strength of the opposing flows involved.

From my time in the RN Hydrographic Surveying Branch I dont think I came across a river that actually flowed backwards as the tide came in.

However our own river Severn has a tidal bore that flows up river as the river is trying to make it to the sea. Whether there is a counter current flowing below the Bore I know not.

From http://www.riversevernbore.co.uk/

The River Severn Bore is a natural example of a self-reinforcing solitary wave or solution.

A curious phenomenon associated with the lower reaches of the Severn is the tidal phenomenon known as the Severn Bore . The river's estuary , part of the Bristol Channel , has the second largest tidal range in the world which is approximately 15 metres , exceeded only (couple of feet) by the Bay of Fundy in Canada - and at certain combinations of the tides, the rising water is funneled up the estuary into a wave that travels rapidly upstream against the river current

The bore travels a distance of approximately 25 miles between Awre and Gloucester.

Severn Bore enthusiasts even attempt to surf along on the bore wave, which can be 2 m high. Being the onset of the flood tide it is accompanied by a rapid rise in water level which continues for about one and a half hours after the Severn Bore has passed.

According to some sources, the name " Severn " is derived from the name Sabrina (or "Sabern"), based on the mythical story of the drowning of a nymph in the river . Sabrina is also the goddess of the River Severn in Brythonic mythology .

From my experience of the river Esk it generally slows down as the tide is coming in and speeds up as the tide is going out. The rate varies with the following:

Whether it is Spring or Neap tides and the height of tide at the time.
The wind direction and strength
The amount of water coming down the river as run off from rainfall.

Sorry if the waters have been muddied but there are many variables to take into account.

CC


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:14 PM

Graham Moore then for Witby next year?

Dance to Tom Paine's Bones
Dance to Tom Paine's Bones
Dance to the oldest boots I own
To the rythm of Tom Paine's Bones


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:40 PM

I'll second that!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:43 PM

Well maybe not Witby but Whitby would be better :-)


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:45 PM

Freudian Slip?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: LesB
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 06:07 PM

Unfortunatly we were unable to go this year. I have had feedback from a lot of friends that were there & they all seemed to enjoy it as usual, but there were a lot of moans about there being no 'Bop Til You Drop' this year (substituted by a poorly attnded ceilidh). I have heard since that this was down to pressure from one member of the commitee, who obviously can't stand the idea of the Spa being packed with people having a good time. (& selling lots of beer).
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,cujimmy
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 04:52 PM

Had a wonderful time again this year only spoiled by the news of the young lad who drowned. Good singing everywhere - the Fleece, Endeavor, The Bottom House, The Railway, Rowing Club, FILO, Black Horse, and others - (spoiled for choice). Pity about the Beer prices in some pubs ie 3.30 for a pint of Guiness in the Fleece.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Michael
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 04:59 PM

Perhaps that's why it's called The Fleece

Mike


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: JHW
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 05:00 PM

Thanks for all that tide stuff. My guess was right then that the flow is affected. Just trying to weigh up why the tide matters to the regatta so much as along with detriment to Folk Festival goers it must be a great nuisance to all the mass of purveyors of sideshows who's calendars are forever pushed about to suit.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 07:40 AM

Fleeced at the Fleece?

After following the Plough for all those years most folks moved to the Fleece. The landlord couldn't believe his luck. Then came a new landlord and higher prices. Then the flock moved on down to the Bottom House.....


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 08:24 AM

Nice spectacle I didn't mention before: a longsword team was doing their act in the Elsinore. For the finale, they did the standard charge out of the door. Into the middle of the road, directly into the path of a colossal pickup truck - airhorns on the roof, extra fat tyres, stickers all over it with pictures of power tools and the caption "Weapons of Mass Construction", left hand drive with an 18-stone driver hanging one ham-sized bicep covered with flame tattoos out of the window. Wasn't playing Willie Nelson on a superwoofer stereo at the time, but you get the idea.

The dancers stopped where they were, with their swords in a lock.

The driver didn't even toot the horn.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 08:46 PM

So all in all it wasn't too bad then?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Liberty Boy
Date: 07 Sep 10 - 03:23 AM

No Malcolm, not too bad!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 06:54 AM

Refresh!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Northerner
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:03 AM

I only managed one day there this year (Friday)but thoroughly enjoyed it.

Storyaround session in the Ship is getting a bit full. Another venue? Another storyaround?

I'm hoping that Bert Draycott will be guesting there next year. I was at the Stockton Folk Club on Monday when Johnny Handle was on - Bert was there watching. I overheard Johhny Handle offer to recommend Bert to Whitby.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: John Routledge
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:23 AM

We had a great great week. Football club our favourite venue for listening rather than participating although atmosphere so good you feel that you are participating :0)

Attendance of Max was a real bonus. What stamina he has!!

The overall tone of this years festival was lower key than previous years and for us this was an improvement. Whitby week is surreal enough as it is.

Accommodation booked for 2010. Says it all really.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:42 AM

Accommodation booked for 2010. Says it all really.

Says what? That you are senile? The next one in in 2011. You've missed the boat for 2010.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: bfdk
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 11:26 AM

For those wanting to relive parts of the folk week there are now some videos online - and more will be added as time permits.

Best wishes,

Bente


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 11:44 AM

Thanks, Bente - much appreciated.

Valmai


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: sionnach
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 11:58 AM

My first Whitby. Thoroughly enjoyed a very busy week! We focussed on traditional song, with Doc Rowe and a few morning lectures thrown in. Enjoyed Jim & Graeme at the lunchtime singarounds in the Endeavour; it's probably unfair to single anyone out though, because everything seemed to be a highlight, and only rarely did food become an issue ;)

The main difference between this and other festivals I've been to was that Whitby's not about "stars". I went to the folk week and got a week of folk. So I'm perfectly satisfied, and hope to be back again next year. Well done to all the organisers, stewards, and venues!


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:10 PM

Thanks to bfdk for the terrific videos.

Where did Gog Magog get their stripey legwear?


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: bfdk
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:26 PM

I didn't ask them that, Jack, but I have a contact e-mail for one of them, so if you're very keen to know, you can pm me and get it. Then you can ask them yourself ;-)

Third Gog Magog video is uploading as I type this.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Mo the caller
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:52 PM

That's just it. Not the emphasis on 'big names' (playing loud music) that you feel some festivals have. Though the performers / callers / bands at Whitby are stars in my book.
Crowds of experts doing their bit of Folk at a high level, be it dance, song or music. A joy to be part of it and raise ones own performance. More crowds of people learning e.g. how to play in a session, so always a chance to learn something new. A different 'something' each year.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: sionnach
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:25 PM

Totally agree, Mo. And those experts were happy to discuss stuff with those of us who are less-than-expert. That contributed to a wonderful atmosphere all round.


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: Soldier boy
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:53 PM

It were a grand do and I will return year after year.

The VERY special singaround in The Black Horse one night with Muppett and Hartleypool Harry and Fritz et al and a whole host of locals and tourists and damn fine singers will glow in my heart for many years to come.

Bless you all.

Chris


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 05:39 AM

I finally made it to Whitby Folk Week for the first time this year after many years of hearing about it from various people. I was stewarding and my working hours were about 9:30-1:30 (mornings to lunch not late night!) then the rest of the day was my own. I couldn't believe the extent of the selection of workshops, sessions and concerts in the programme. I don't think I really made the most of my season ticket because I had decided to just chill out and go with the flow. I met up with a banjo playing friend whose band played at a few sessions down at the Bottom House. I went down there Saturday and Sunday nights and a couple of times later on in the week, and got my bluegrass fix. I'd come to WFW on my own (other half was working) but got on just fine chatting to people I met at the campsite, at sessions and workshops. Quite a few of my singing friends had also come to the Festival so it was good to meet up and go to a couple of concerts with them, or meet for dinner or a cuppa.

The Old Time American evening was one of the highlights for me, with Steven Green sitting in with Sara Grey and Kieron Means (very impressed with them). Ben Paley also joined them for a couple of numbers. I also enjoyed Rattle on the Stovepipe and Jeff Warner. Another night I went to a more traditional folk evening at the Football Club with some of my mates. I had never seen many of the performers before but really loved the whole evening which included traditional songs from Will Noble and John Cocking and Jim MacFarland from Ireland amongst others. Also wonderful fiddle and accordion, English clogging and singing from Hannah James and Sam Sweeney. That girl can dance! Also enjoyed the Irish Hoolie and the spine tingling singing of Rosie Stewart.

There were many, many more fantastic performances during the week and I also managed to make it to a couple of Sacred Harp sessions and tried out West Gallery singing. I also attended a beginners' fiddle workshop led by Carol Dawson from the Workshy Profits. What a patient lady. I was amazed to actually get a tune out of the thing (albeit rough!) the very first time I had touched the fingerboard!! I must get a couple of proper fiddle lessons to start me off.

All in all, it was a great time in a wonderfully atmospheric place (although not being familiar with Whitby, at times I could not believe how unbelievably overcrowded the town was). The only slight negative was all the walking up and down hills (especially when carrying banjo!). In the end I never had the chance to get to a Mudgather, so didn't bump into Geoff the Duck or Noreen but I thank them and others for their kind advice on my newbie thread. I think I might have seen Max when I was hanging about at the American Dance workshop but didn't twig at the time or I would have said hello.   

Good crack, good music, nice people and sea views. I'll be back! Here are a few of the video clips I made:

Kieron Means & Sara Grey

Will Noble & John Cocking

Hannah James & Sam Sweeney

Jeff Warner

Rosie Stewart


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: bfdk
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 08:49 AM

I didn't notice till I was working the video over for youtube, but who is the bloke with the Mudcat badge wandering around with the collection box?

Best wishes,

Bente


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Subject: RE: How did you find Whitby folk week
From: GUEST,bec
Date: 15 Sep 12 - 07:54 AM

re. tides and Regatta.
The locals don't think it is anything to do with the tides. Races are often finished the next week.
People letting accomodation are annoyed because they can easily let out two weeks, it is impossible to fit everyone in to one.
Thoughts are that it is when the Red Arrows are available!

We always enjoy Whitby - though there are always hiccups.

Strange, hardly any of you memtion dancing - both ritual and social, workshops and dances and ceilidhs. Probably healthier than sitting still in pubs! It is all wonderful. Only problem is not being able to do it all, too many clashes in the programme, oh, and needing ear plugs for the Spa at night.


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