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Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye

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By'm By (full arrangement) (from Carl Sandburg's American Songbag (1927))
By'm By (melody only) (from Carl Sandburg's American Songbag (1927))
By'm Bye (from Ruth Crawford Seeger, American Folk Songs for Children, 1948)


Joe Offer 01 Sep 10 - 08:29 PM
Desert Dancer 02 Sep 10 - 11:47 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Sep 10 - 04:27 PM
Joe Offer 04 Sep 10 - 12:30 AM
Dan Schatz 04 Sep 10 - 01:10 AM
GUEST,musicteacher9807 15 May 12 - 12:24 PM
GUEST 26 Jan 13 - 01:10 PM
Art Thieme 26 Jan 13 - 02:52 PM
Airymouse 26 Jan 13 - 03:44 PM
GUEST,leeneia 21 Nov 15 - 09:56 AM
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Subject: ADD: Bye'm Bye
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 08:29 PM

I actually referred to this song in an attempt to make a wisecrack in a Bobert thread, but then I discovered that there may be no thread on this lovely song. So...I found the lyrics on the Sally Rogers Website. I learned the song from a Weavers recording, with Ronnie Gilbert singing lead. Anybody know background information or other versions?
-Joe-


BYE'M BYE

By'm bye, By'm bye;
Stars shining
Number, number one, number two, number three,
Oh, my! By'm Bye, By'm Bye
Oh, my! By'm Bye.

By'm bye, By'm bye;
Stars shining
Number, number four, number five, number six,
Oh, my! By'm Bye, By'm Bye
Oh, my! By'm Bye.

By'm bye, By'm bye;
Stars shining
Number, number seven, number eight, number nine, number ten,
Oh, my! By'm Bye, By'm Bye
Oh, my! By'm Bye.


Roud says it's in Sandburg's New American Songbag (1950) p. 19; and again in Ruth Crawford Seeger's American Folk Songs for Children (1948) p.71
It's also in Music in Our Town the 1956 second-grade school songbook from Silver Burdett.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 11:47 AM

If I was in Tucson I'd see who Ruth Seeger cited, but I'm not...

~ Becky in Long Beach


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Subject: Lyr. Add: By'm By (spiritual fragment)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 04:27 PM

In Sandburg, 1927, The American Songbag, a note says it is a fragment of a spiritual heard in Texas in the early 1880s by Charley Thorpe of Santa Fe. Only the one verse.

BY'M BY

1
By'm by, by'm by,
Stahs shinin',
Numbah, numbah one,
Numbah two, numbah three,
Good Lawd, by'm by, by'm by,
Good Lawd, by'm by.

Not related to the well-known spiritual, By and By.


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Subject: ADD Version: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye (Seeger)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Sep 10 - 12:30 AM

Ruth Crawford Seeger (American Folk Songs for Children, 1948, page 71), cites Sandburg as her source, but lyrics and arrangement are different. She says it's from Texas.

BY'M BYE

By'm bye, By'm bye;
Stars shining
Number, number one, number two, number three,
Good Lawd! By'm Bye, By'm Bye
Good Lawd! By'm Bye.

Finger Play: "Number, number one, number two, number three" — continuing on up to five or ten or more, if desired — may be used as a finger play. Many things may be counted aside from stars and fingers, such as buttons on clothing, or children, or stair steps, or foolish things like shoes untied.

Tone Play: Children echo By'm Bye without being asked, and like to join in on the numbering phrase, especially if it is extended through a growing series of numbers.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 04 Sep 10 - 01:10 AM

My mother used to sing this to us when we were growing up, and now I sing it to my son. It's a beautiful lullaby.

A few years ago I was playing around with it on the banjo and ended up writing another song, attached to it:

Bye 'n Bye Little Baby
"Bye 'n Bye" lullaby traditional, additional song by Dan Schatz      
      
Bye 'n bye      
Bye 'n bye      
Stars shining number, number one,         
Number two, number three, good Lord      
Bye 'n bye, bye 'n bye, good Lord      
Bye, 'n bye      
      
Bye 'n bye      
Bye 'n bye      
Stars shining number, number four,         
Number five, number six, good Lord      
Bye 'n bye, bye 'n bye, good Lord      
Bye, 'n bye      
      
Evening shadow's coming on      
You and I, my little child, are left here 'till the dawn      
To rock away the hours with gentle thoughts and moonlit songs      
And wish these days were gone      

Chorus:      
        Bye 'n bye, little baby-o; it's time to go to sleep      
        Your mother works in the weaving mills; your father's on the deep      
        Oh baby, go to sleep      
      
Shuttles click and clatter in the mills      
While you lie peaceful in your cradle sheltered by these hills      
Your mother's shifting bobbins as they labor on the looms      
To give her babe a room      
      
Chorus   
      
Father is far away at sea      
To fight the wars of other men, it's a sailor he must be      
While out on deck the ocean waves bring dreams of love and home      
And a babe he's never known      
      
Chorus
      
Hush now babe, there is no need.      
One day soon you'll go to school; you'll learn to count and read      
You'll grow into a better life with babies of your own      
And at night you'll stay at home      
      
Final Chorus:
Bye 'n bye, little baby-o; it's time to go to sleep      
Your mother's love flies home from weaving, father's from the deep      
Oh baby, go to sleep      
      
Bye 'n bye      
Bye 'n bye      
Stars shining number, number seven,         
Number eight, number nine, number ten, good Lord      
Bye 'n bye, bye 'n bye, good Lord      
Bye, 'n bye      
      

©2006 by Dan Schatz
Thirty-six String Music

Dan


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Subject: RE: Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye
From: GUEST,musicteacher9807
Date: 15 May 12 - 12:24 PM

I'm directing an arrangement of this fragment(Robert de Cormier series, arr. Cormier-Sauter) for SSA. Thank you for the insight into the origins!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 13 - 01:10 PM

I've never heard the song, but my mother, who grew up in Southbridge MA, and always says things that are grammatically correct, says "bye'm bye" quite often. As in, "I will cook the supper bye'm bye". I don't know anyone else who uses that phrase - even my father does not say that. thank you for clarifying, just a bit


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Subject: RE: Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye
From: Art Thieme
Date: 26 Jan 13 - 02:52 PM

I recorded a separate By'an'by:

The time of the year I like the best,
The time when the mule walks around the press,
Girls put on theis gingham dresss -- by an by


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Subject: RE: Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye
From: Airymouse
Date: 26 Jan 13 - 03:44 PM

Your mother is in pretty good company: Shakespeare used "by and by" to mean in the near future as opposed to "presently" , which meant "after a while" For example, "To be now a sensible man, by and by a fool and presently a beast" Also Shakespeare liked heartbeat rhythm: ta-dum ta-dum, which English professors call "iambic", so on stage "by and by" would be spoken pretty close to "by'm by".
If you are looking for origins to the song, you should see if Ruth Crawford Seeger provides a source. She was pretty good about attribution.EXAMPLE I know a song called "Little Piggy", which I learned from Roger Sprung. Ruth Seeger has a markedly different version from Roger Sprung's on page 50 of Animal Folk Songs for Children. In her page of sources at the front, the song is attributed to Mrs. Vernon Shafter.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Bye'm Bye / By'm Bye
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 Nov 15 - 09:56 AM

I used to own a vinyl LP of Harry Belafonte singing spirituals, and the first song mentioned, "Stars shining, by 'n' by," was on it.

I wonder where the M came from. It doesn't seem like a likely corruption of the common word "and".


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