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Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?

GUEST,Buck Buckbucket 10 Sep 10 - 07:09 PM
dick greenhaus 10 Sep 10 - 08:01 PM
Bernard 10 Sep 10 - 08:20 PM
The Fooles Troupe 10 Sep 10 - 10:19 PM
The Fooles Troupe 10 Sep 10 - 10:32 PM
The Fooles Troupe 11 Sep 10 - 12:18 AM
peregrina 11 Sep 10 - 01:54 AM
Alan Day 11 Sep 10 - 04:36 AM
Tootler 11 Sep 10 - 02:30 PM
peregrina 11 Sep 10 - 02:45 PM
Gurney 11 Sep 10 - 11:59 PM
Murray MacLeod 12 Sep 10 - 07:08 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Sep 10 - 01:35 PM
GUEST,Geoff the Duck 13 Sep 10 - 03:35 PM
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Subject: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: GUEST,Buck Buckbucket
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 07:09 PM

Hi this is a request for info & specific products that can be easily
purchased in local UK hardware shops please.

I have no experience with woodworking, but need a wood filler that dries hard enough
to be drilled and hold screws.

I've already made mistakes with a tube of stuff that dries soft and crumbly.

Google is pointing towards "Ronseal High Performance Wood Filler",
but it looks very expensive.

Is this one of the best choices, or please can you suggest alternatives ?

I'd prefere an economy sized tube that can be aimed directly into the wood and resealed to used again later
rather than a large tin.

I need to fill damaged areas of chipboard/mdf speaker cab
so the repair is strong enough to take a screw that supports
one corner of another panel.

I'd also want to be able to get best value for money
and use the same filler for minor repairs to solid body guitars
and also repairing our bathroom door frame
where the hinges have been torn out and badly bodged up
by a previous owner.

cheers.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 08:01 PM

5-minute epoxy (the filled, opaque variety) works jes' fine.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: Bernard
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 08:20 PM

Try this.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 10:19 PM

For your door, I can recommend a product called "Agnew's Water Putty" - a "Wood Finish Filler since 1929" - I suspect it may be an Australian product - from Melbourne Milling Pty Ltd. Similar products may be available elsewhere. It seems to be a water based epoxy style product.

I can vouch to this use - it is an orangey-brown powder (lasts for ages in the pack if kept dry) that you just mix with water to varying consistencies for varying purposes and strengths - and is suitable for outdoor use such as patching weather-board cladding and can be drilled, screwed, nailed (a pilot hole would be a good idea), filed, sanded - it will set depending on temperature and mixed consistency within about 20 mins, and doesn't shrink or expand noticeably. If filling large gaps it is recommended to have some internal support, eg if filling an empty mortice join gap, a few small nails tacked into the wood underneath the surface will help it hold, etc.

I can't vouch for its tonal qualities, or possible musical instrument use, but I pass this on about the style of product in good faith, as others may find the info useful. The strength and durability seem that it might work in musical applications.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Sep 10 - 10:32 PM

A lot of web links turned up on Google for this product ...

Saw this too - [PDF] Evaluation of Remedial Treatments for Surface Checks in ...

This stuff also is useful for casting , and other craft processes too.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 12:18 AM

The PDF was prepared by the Aussie Govt body for Timber Products and also contains lists of various water, epoxy and other based filler products from Australia and other countries.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: peregrina
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 01:54 AM

Milliput--the fine grained variety. Amazing stuff. Widely available in UK.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: Alan Day
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 04:36 AM

Epoxy resin can be used in subtle ways. It can be mixed with the sawdust of the wood you are working with ,or mixed with powder paint (not oil) to the colour you want it to be. It is much better than the yellowy/white finish that you usually get when using this product. Try out a test piece first before using it on your favourite antique.
Al


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: Tootler
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 02:30 PM

Bernard pointed to plastic wood which I have found quite effective. I have also had it in tubes rather than the tin featured in Bernard's link.

In my railway modelling days, I used to fix the ballast on the track with a casein based glue whose name I forget. It was a white powder and I used to mix it dry with fine grit, spread it on the track, then when I was satisfied I sprayed it with water containing a drop of washing up liquid. It set hard and very little of the grit came loose. I suspect that it would work mixed with sawdust in much the same way. I just wish I could remember the name of the product. If I do remember I will post again.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: peregrina
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 02:45 PM

Milliput is a two-part plumbers epoxy that comes in a fine-grained version and several colours; it is used by museums to repair china, by fine-detail model makers, luthiers, plumbers; the lad in my local hardware store says 'I never make anything without using it' and 'you can repair a submarine while it's in the water'.
It can be worked as it cures, and afterwards, and responds well to being molded with a wet tool for a very fine finish. I have posted here before about using it to make an ergonomic guitar pick.

product info
here


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: Gurney
Date: 11 Sep 10 - 11:59 PM

For the domestic, rather than instrument, uses that B Bb specifies a carpenter would just drill and glue in a dowel. If strength was of utmost importance, the carpenter would drill the dowel hole at right-angles to the screw. I've used that method making commercial workbenches of particle-board and MDF, neither of which like screws in the 'endgrain.'
Particleboard = chipboard? Sawdust glued into sheets?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 07:08 AM

..."Particleboard = chipboard? Sawdust glued into sheets?"...

correct.

"chipboard" is the British term.

also, what is usually known as "OSB" (oriented strand board)in the States is frequently referred to as "Sterling board" here in the UK.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Sep 10 - 01:35 PM

That powdered glue sounds like Cascamite.

But for the OP's question I'd suggest removing the corner of the cream crackered panel, making a replacement in WBP ply, and putting an internal panel inside the removed corner, coated with a PVA, then screwing laterally through the good bit of the damaged panel to attach the internal panel and then again through the WBP section to attach the WBP. Presumably, if the panel was chipboard, something conceals its finish in due course.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Wood Filler for instrument repairs UK ?
From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 03:35 PM

Repairs to door frame at the hinges may depend on what sort of botch job has been made.
If it is just screws pulled out of screw holes you can often squirt standard white PVA wood glue into the hole, then knock match sticks into the hole. Once the glue sets the wooden match sticks act similarly to wall plugs and give a firm surface for a screw to bite into. Once you reposition your hinges, you can drill a pilot hole for re-screwing.
If the door frame is a major mess, you may need to use a chisel to remove the damaged area, then glue in a new piece of wood to fasten your hinges to.
Quack!
GtD.
(p.s. Just checked Tootler's powdered glue, and casein glue is produced from milk and is a replacement for animal glue. Cascamite is made from powdered resin and has different properties.
I haven't used casein glue, but once used cascamite when building a drum. Cascamite is waterproof, but can be brittle, so not suitable for a joint which might get jolted.)


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