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Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)

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AROUND ME BRAVE BOYS
BRISK YOUNG WIDOW
NOSTRADAMUS
OAK, ASH, AND THORN
On Board a 98
THE BARLEY AND THE RYE
THE GOOD LUCK SHIP
THE OLD SONGS
WE HAVE FED OUR SEA FOR A THOUSAND YEARS


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 09:26 AM

Yes please, FB link.

Would an auction house be worth approaching?
I know ... £commission, but against extra advertising in the right niches?


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,GranAnn
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 04:39 AM

To my untutored eye it seems pretty ordinary. I can't post a picture on here ... am I allowed to post a link here if I upload it to Facebook? It's a full-length of him playing his sax, with a couple of blue birds flying round his head.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,What's it like?
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 11:01 AM

Bellamy was ever a contravertialist. Am I alone in imaginning that he might have painted something pretty much inaccrochable?

Unseen (and despite his truly magnificent scholarship) it is quite hard to guess.

A well-publicised auction might be the way to go. Is C Sharp house a complete no-go? (Or even one of the conventional auction houses if they are able to mount enough specialist material)


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 09:09 AM

The trouble with eBay is that people aren't habitually looking for Peter Bellamy artworks (they might be looking for Peter Bellamy vinyl, but not necessarily even think of looking for visual art). You have to make sure the right people know about it.

It's a shame someone couldn't organise an auction at, say, Cecil Sharp House, where it would become an actual event?

Failing that, I would decide on a (high) price and perhaps place it on Gumtree, then let people know about it. My hunch, based purely on intuition would be somewhere between £500 and £1000? Only because a lot of folkies are hard up. I suppose a wealth fan of both Bellamy and Bird might go higher...


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Hagman
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:34 PM

A Martin Carthy image print done by Bellamy in 1984 (ltd. to 200, signed and numbered) sold for about U$100 on eBay five years or so ago.

You'd have to think that an original oil with a great musical association should be at least 10 times that? Especially for charity...

(Richard Thompson was offering a house concert in the US (without travel and expenses) for U$40,000 in his last crowdfunding appeal. Draw your own comparisons.)


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,GranAnn
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:44 AM

Peter painted a series of 'Music Heroes' in the late 80's when he was obliged to rest his voice for a year. One of Peter's friends from his local folk club in Keighley has donated one of these paintings to be sold for charity. It is of Charlie 'Bird' Parker playing his sax and with bluebirds flying in the background, in oil on board and measures 110 x 60cm.

I have never seen an original Bellamy painting sold and have absolutely no idea of the value of this painting - I don't want to put it on ebay and have someone with no idea who Peter Bellamy even was, to buy it for next-to-nothing.   

Has anyone any idea of a value?

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: cptsnapper
Date: 03 Oct 14 - 01:43 AM

My two favourite memories of Peter were when he first met my Mum early one morning: he came as a bit of a shock to her but later on became firm friends. The second one was at Norwich Folk Festival when Alex taters on asked me to close the Irish session in the bar. I launched into Jesus Is On The Main Line and all of a sudden Peter joined in and took it to a totally new level. A lovely man as far as I'm concerned.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,raymond greenoaken
Date: 02 Oct 14 - 01:42 PM

Nice to see this thread pop up again, and to re-read it. Stirrings (that is, me) celebrated his 70th birthday this summer with an exhaustive 10-page survey of his entire recorded oeuvre. (Excluding bootlegs, which is another parallel universe...)


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 02 Oct 14 - 12:41 PM

We too have a copy of The Transports signed by Peter Bellamy.

I think we were the only ones to buy a copy that night. He wrote QANTAS on the prow and, for my wife, wrote on the cover Thank you Freda for making my night!

It amused us at the time but, looking back, perhaps it was a sign of his growing despair.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 02 Oct 14 - 07:23 AM

Peter walked 'off stage' , took the book out of his hand , walked back to the stage and never missed a word !

Excellent stuff (although I hope it made him more friends than it lost him). Most of those poems are seriously long, and delivering them non-stop and at speed (which is basically what he was doing) is a real challenge. I've been working up "Back to the army again" (no particular reason, it just stuck in my head); it's a long job.

The 80s weren't kind to folk generally and traddies in particular - Steeleye had made it big and then buggered off to Wombledon - but I do wonder why PB had such a hard time of it. He really seems to have dropped off the radar as far as bookers were concerned - on one occasion, when he phoned asking about a gig, they hadn't even heard of him ("sorry, you're Peter who?"). (I heard this from John Kelly.)


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 02 Oct 14 - 02:39 AM

Was it really true he told Janis Joplin to her face that she was the worst blues singer he'd ever heard? For sure, there's a lot of choice Bellamylore out there, but my limited experience of the man himself was a gentle soul with the voice of an angelic demon whose causticity was very much part of the act. I often wonder if it wasn't a defence to how he was treated by much of the folk scene who took exception to his supposed political stance with respect of his father being who he was and his unapolegetic championing of of Maggie Thatcher's favourite poet at a time when (to nab a phrase from Flann O'Brien) it was neither popular nor profitable to do so.

A wee while ago I took the liberty of YouTubing parts of a very low-grade VHS cassette featuring an interview that finds our hero sitting proudly in front of his famously eclectic cassette collection (Elton John, Rolling Stones, Jethro Tull, Fairport Convention) with the crown missing from his front tooth. I remember Esme Ryder (the only singer I've ever heard with a voice to match Bellamy's) telling me she was at the gig (again in Durham) where it fell off mid song.

Peter Bellamy VHS - Part One : The Interview


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Oct 14 - 12:32 AM

Trouble was [& don't forget I speak as a close friend], his causticity became a sort of reflex or tic, and he would resort to it at times which were inappropriate; he could never resist a dig, resulting, as Anthea told me [see my last post] in alienating a lot of people. He would, of course, have said, Well tough titty for them; I should care!. But, as the tragic upshot showed, aS THE OLD RHYME PUTS IT "DON'T-CARE WAS MADE TO CARE!"

He cared right enuf when the gigs dried up just when he should have been poised for the real breakthru he had striven so long for.

And look what happened...

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 06:57 PM

Sadly ,too many people did NOT 'get' Peter - Though he COULD be quite caustic .
ONE of my memories is when he filled in for Lou Killen after a Shanty festival when Lou finished up with No Voice ! One of 'the locals' who
I had heard earlier saying he did NOT like P B requested one of the longer Kiplings , and then got a book out and was obviously looking for mistakes . Peter walked 'off stage' , took the book out of his hand , walked back to the stage and never missed a word ! BRILL !


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 04:39 PM

I must add that my copy of The Transports was gifted to me (or rather donated to my Museum of All Things Wonderful) by Ian McCulloch (Mudcat's own Ian1943) for whom PB signed it. I doubt I'd have had the nerve; my vinyl copy of Keep on Kipling is unsigned despite having won it off the man himself at a raffle...


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 04:00 PM

A touching tale, Michael. I have as similar sense of sentimental attachment to the various copies of his self-bootlegged cassettes I still have, likewise an vinyl copy of The Transports, signed, corrtented & a Quantas flag added to the transport ship on the inner booklet in his own fair hand! Here's a pic:

Cherished vinyl!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 02:59 PM

And to some who really, really wish they did! Thanks, Michael.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 01:06 PM

Continuing from the Bellamy drift on the "NewSong" thread:

I said I would tell how I came to lend Pete the D-major concertina that graced the coffin at his funeral, and which I now have back & it's one of the two on my YouTube Channel. It's a tale which might afford some insights into his character and his particular style of sardonic wit.

Pete was staying over with Valerie and me once, as he generally did when he had a gig anywhere around Cambs. I happened to mention that I had recently made a new will, and had left him my instruments, as Valerie, who was no sort of musician, wouldn't want them anyhow. In typical Pete fashion [if you knew him you will know what I mean], he replied, "Well, hurry up & die then. You've got a D-major concertina haven't you!" We laughed -- it was so obviously a joke (tho Anthea, who was still his wife at that time, and whom I was back in touch with for a while more recently when our paths happened to cross again, told me recently that it was the sort of thing that got him quite a lot of enemies, too many persons not appreciating his sort of humour). Anyhow, I replied, "Well you'd better have it now, then, You're the professional and obviously will have more use for it than I will, with my few gigs in a year". Well, of course it was 'no-no I couldn't, I didn't mean it seriously' &c. So I said, "Well, seriously, now; take it on permanent loan. It'll still be mine but you'll have the use of it." Which was what we settled. I took it up to Keighley on an arranged date, and Valerie & I stayed over as guests and Anthea did her beautiful creole cuisine for us; and all very nice. But not that much later he broke up with Anthea, and she went to live with a guy in Sussex, and he married Jenny. We visited the new couple once or twice. Then came his tragic death; and Jenny, who didn't know its provenance, put that concertina on his coffin. Fred Woods, who had edited us both regularly in Folk Review, knew it was actually my property, and told Jenny; and that's how it came back to me. I still play it, as I say; much honoured to recall in whose hands it had figured, and who had put that decorative knot on the strap -- see my Channel, like I say.

Hope this has been of some interest or enlightenment to any who remember Peter.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Oct 14 - 11:03 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,raymond Greenoaken
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 03:32 PM

apologies - that was from me.

Raymond Greenoaken


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 02:08 PM

>He wasn't joking.<

He was, you know.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 03:26 PM

And this:

The Kipling/Bellamy Songwriting Team

Who'd have thought it?


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,SRD
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 05:54 PM

Many years ago Peter dossed at mine after a great gig at Farningham. I was living in NAG at the time and the following morning we made our way through the footpaths that litter that place of little boxes on our way to catch him the bus to take him on to the next gig. It was a glorious summer's morning, the sun was out and the birds were singing their hearts out. I said "Isn't this fabulous, just listen to those birds." He replied "You know what they're saying don't you - fuck off - this is my tree!" He wasn't joking.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 07:25 AM

And wonder of wonders, Oak Ash and Thorn and Merlin's Isle of Gramarye now have handsome CD reissues. Well done to the good people of Talking Elephant Records. And cheers!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 06:24 AM

And on Mike Harding's show on Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 7:00pm BBC Radio 2 - James Fagan and Damien Barber 'discuss their roles in a production of The Transports'.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 12:18 PM

Hardly on the same scale as the stellar new Sidmouth Transports...

But we're doing a wee show at The Fylde this year entitled Bellamy: Kipling with the Tradition featuring Ron Baxter, Ross Campbell, Rapunzel & Sedayne. The performance will feature both our own interpretations of PB's various settings (including our setting of Harp Song of the Dane Women from the Oak, Ash, Thorn CD now updated - listen HERE) as well as a couple of recreations of his classic arrangements, such as the original up-tempo Wassail of A Tree Song and the trio arrangement of The Liner She's A Lady.

A free show too, on the Saturday afternoon slot at The Mount which has proved such a success over the last few years for us Earthbound Souls - so do make note if you're coming to The Fylde!

*

Expect some free downloads soon to go along with it...


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 10:56 AM

New page up today on the Sidmouth website:

The Transports


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 09:42 AM

A treat for Bellamists... this is a recording of Peter Bellamy live at Stainsby Folk Festival in 1981: Peter Bellamy in Concert


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Max Johnson
Date: 11 Feb 11 - 08:21 AM

I saw The Transports at the South Bank, and thought it was wonderful.

One of many fond memories was a Folk Quiz at Cecil Sharp House. The EFDSS took on The Rest Of The World, and I was in Eddie Upton's Rest Of The World team. We moidered da bums.

Last time I saw Peter we played darts. Padstow, I think. A true visionary, a very average darts player and a lovely, lovely guy. RIP, mate.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 10 Feb 11 - 10:18 AM

Some interesting comments going up on the Bellamy VHS vids on YouTube.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 02:06 PM

Peter Bellamy : Maritime England Suite - Part Two


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 01:18 PM

thanks thats very good of you,I appreciate it.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 12:25 PM

I'm sorry I'll post that again...

I'll leave it to someone better qualified to flesh out the whys & wherefores of the Maritime England Suite, but basically it's a 40-minute sequence comprising PB's settings of Kipling, traditional and other lyrics arranged by Dolly Collins and performed by the trio of PB: voice / Dolly Collins : piano / Ursula Pank (nee Smith) : 'cello. It existed as a lo-fi cassette only edition, copies of which are very scarce and fading fast but the music is of a perfect Golden Charm that will beguile even the most casual Bellamist; the hard-core will already have it of course, in one form or another - so, here's part one; part two to follow.   

Peter Bellamy : Maritime England Suite - Part One

NB - This is a basic transfer of a very old unbranded cassette copy as sold by PB at his gigs. No attempt has been made to clean it up at source (no Dolby certainly!) or otherwise enhance it on the computer other than to fix a patricularly messy edit. One hopes the masters are extant and that plans are afoot to release them officially, but as life is generally too short for the awaiting of such miracles...

File expires on 22nd November, so get it while you can!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 12:24 PM

I'll leave it to someone better qualified to flesh out the whys & wherefores of the Maritime England Suite, but basically it's a 40-minute sequence comprising PB's settings of Kipling, traditional and other lyrics arranged by Dolly Collins and performed by the trio of PB: voice / Dolly Collins : piano / Ursula Pank (nee Smith) : 'cello. It existed as a lo-fi cassette only edition, copies of which are very scarce and fading fast but the music is of a perfect Golden Charm that will beguile even the most casual Bellamist; the hard-core will already have it of course, in one form or another - so, here's part one; part two to follow.   

Peter Bellamy : Maritime England Suite - Part One

NB - This is a basic transfer of a very old unbranded cassette copy as sold by PB at his gigs. No attempt has been made to clean it up at source (no Dolby certainly!) or otherwise enhance it on the computer other than to fix a patricularly messy edit. One hopes the masters are extant and that plans are afoot to release them officially, but as life is generally too short for the awaiting of such miracles...

File expires on 22nd November, so get it while you can!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Reinhard
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 01:22 PM

Thank you very much!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 05:36 AM

YouSendIt files are only available for 7 days after posting. I've posted this one again today, so it'll be up there until the 9th. Enjoy!

Peter Bellamy: The Transports, Folk on 2, 1987


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Reinhard
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 01:02 AM

Suibhne, Yousendit says "file not available". Can you pretty please upload it again?


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 06:20 PM

Can I draw your attention to this sterling effort by Mr Greenoaken of this parish, who has not only transcribed PB's original sleeve notes for Oak, Ash & Thorn and Merlin's Isle of Gramarye, but also provided entertaining and informative annotations? If you're that way inclined, and I hope you are, you can read them on the Folk Police Blog.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 09:43 AM

Are you familiar with PB's rewrite of Abe Carmen, Pip? It originally featured on his EFDSS album Second Wind and found its way onto Wake the Vaulted Echoes. Apparantly it was done in response to a call from one of The Transport's poducers who felt the original a little too bright for a man bound for the gallows. Naturally this darker version is the one I'm inclined to sing myself, though it does carry a rare potency as well as mighty a melody as you'd expect.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:57 AM

Wonderful stuff. PB's Abe Carman is at least the equal of Bert Lloyd's.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:39 PM

Peter was a genius, a great guy too. I miss him.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:34 PM

I've been checking this out on the Transports thread, because I remembered seeing it on the South Bank with Anthea (and Bridget Danby as the mother). But the 1987 version was with Jenny, and she's credited in the highlights recording.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:19 AM

Yes indeed ~~ many thanks Suibhne. I managed to open it that time, tho for some reason couldn't do so last time. Much appreciated.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 05:39 AM

It was definitely Jenny Bellamy in Taffy's 1987 production, MtheGM; download the MP3 (The Transports - Folk on 2, 1987) and hear Jim Lloyd confirm as much in the credits. As I say, video footage of this production exists - I have it in part (only two songs: Abe Carmen as sung by PB & The Green Fields of England sung by PB & JB) but I hope YouTube will prove a suitable platform for that wider audience of such archive classics.

Some choice playing by John Kirkpatrick in there too - his tender variations on The Leaves in the Woodland are among the many highlights on offer here; one almost feels tempted to resent PB's narration!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 04:12 AM

I think, in the 1980s versions mentioned by Suibhne above in which Pete sang with his wife, it was with his first wife Anthea, not his second Jenny as stated above. I would not swear to this; but it was certainly Anthea who sang with him at a live performance I saw at the Purcell Room as part of London Folk Festival {directed by Alistair Anderson} in 1980s.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 12:39 PM

The Q / A format of Danny Deever certainly has ore than the one traditional precedent, though I doubt Kipling had any such tune in mind for it in mind given, as you say, it's not all Q / A, and the rhythmic foot is quite different.

Interesting to note I've been scolded in Tyneside clubs for singing Deever to Derwentwater because a lot of Geordie folkies are naturally affronted that the melody should be used for anything but Derwentwater. Also, ertain of them have been offended that I should have dared sing an anti hanging song anyway. Strange reactions in my reactionary homeland where Danny Deever is somehow anti-capital punishment and The Land is a pamphlet call to a socialist uprising. Give me air! Give me air!

*

Anyway, enough about that - I spent a good hour this morning doing that digital transfer from the old cassette of the Folk on 2 Transports broadcast from 1987, so all you Bellamists and lovers of good music out there in Mudcat Land, go back a few posts click the link!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Sailor Ron
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 11:43 AM

Interstingly enough, I've just read 'Kipling Sahib' a biography of Kipling' time[s] in India, fascinating. Concerning his knowledge, or otherwise, of 'folk' song, there is a statement that one of his relatives, an aunt I think, sang lot's of folk songs, one of which was 'False Knight on the road'. Which the author states that Kipling, on what hard evidence is not clear, used the form for 'Danny Deever', which of course PB put to Derwentwaters farewell, though it can of course be sung to several other tunes. The first part of the verse does, more or less fit False Knight on the road' but the second half doesn't.


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 08:28 AM

Isn't it though? Just a shame we don't (as yet!) have the full version.

More details meanwhile...

In May 1987, Charivari staged a lavish production as part of the Portsmouth Festival. Peter again appeared in the role of Abe Carman, and as one of The Transports with Jenny Bellamy. Jim Eldon played The Street Singer and the rest of the cast included Dave and Heather Brady,
Pete Morton, Mike Bettison, Tim Laycock and John O'Hagan.


From HERE.

There exists video footage too! Hopefully we'll see this on YouTube in due course...


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: Howard Jones
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:52 AM

Suibhne, that's fantastic stuff, thanks so much for that


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:22 AM

Okay - catch this one whilst you can, a 30-minute Edited Highlights of The Transports production from the 1980s (date please??) as broadcast on Folk on 2; directed by Taffy Thomas with John Kirkpatrick as MD - Jim Eldon as The Ballad Singer, featuring Peter & Jenny Bellamy singing The Greenfields of England, and PB delivering a mighty Abe Carmen and... Oh, just download the bloody thing and enjoy!

Peter Bellamy - The Transports, Folk on 2, 1980s

It'll be available for the next 7 days, or 100 downloads max, but if anyone misses it enter your plea here and I'll post it up again.

Even though it's edited, I can't help feling there's bits missing. Does anyone have a more complete version??? For now though, there's plenty here for everyone I would have thought. Starts off sounding a bit scrappy, but picks up after a few seconds - not bad for a 25-year-old Sony HF 90!


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Subject: RE: Boring, Bleating Old Traddy (Peter Bellamy)
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 09:30 AM

I bet they didn't dare ask MacColl!


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