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Subject: BS: Wrestling Holds From the 50/60ties
From: Beer
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 11:22 PM

I know there is another thread that a number of us contribute to but it was mainly on the who's who in the earlier days of wrestling.
Here is a different twist.

From your childhood days when you use to wrestle with your brother friend or sister, what were some of the holds that were spoken about and you tried to apply.
here are a few that I remember.
Step over toe hole
Full Nelson
C(k)roaka Hole(sp.)
The Sleeper
Boston Crab
Was it Jean Keniski (sp.) that use to apply the Boston Crab?


If you can put names to the inventors of these and others it would be fun.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Beer
Date: 04 Oct 10 - 11:24 PM

I think that the thread should read "Wrestling Holds and not holdes"
Sorry. My lack of schooling.
ad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: bankley
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 10:38 AM

Figure Four leg lock - Nature Boy Buddy Rogers
Death Grip, or Claw - Killer Kowalski
Tomahawk Chop - Don Eagle

whada ya tinking of gettin' back in da ring, Beer ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 10:43 AM

I know some really neat holds. Unfortunately, they're either fatal or you wish they had been.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Beer
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 12:46 PM

Good one Bankley.
Yes of course, the Killer's famous Claw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 12:56 PM

interesting thread

I remember the half nelson.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 01:01 PM

full nelson ...Mighty Atlas


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Paul Burke
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 01:44 PM

Don't forget the Foreskin Smash.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: gnu
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 02:01 PM

The pile driver.

The Claw! (Not the craw, the craw.)

I used to love to watch my uncles watch wrestling... as I said on that other thread, they were related to The Beast and others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Art Thieme
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:24 PM

Haystacks Calhoun was sitting on the curb in Chicago at grace and Broadway. My brother Richard went up to him and asked, "Haystacks, is it in the script for you to win Saturday night at the Marigold Arena?"

Haystacks lumbered to his feet and chased my bro down the street. Never caught him.

Fond Chicago memories.

And on WGN-TV wrestling show in the fifties, Jack Brickhouse, on live TV, holding a mike in one hand and grabbing to open a car's door to show the interior, completing a circuit and almost being electrocuted on camera. "Ohhhh, Ohhhhh, Ohhhhhhhhhhh"

Something one doesn't forget!

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:05 PM

Anyone remember the Ozzie Nelson?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:26 PM

"...the Ozzie Nelson?"

Kind of a wimpy little hold mostly used to subdue kids who try to sing...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: olddude
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:31 PM

did anyone mention the Pile driver. or Professor tanaka's karate chop


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Slag
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 07:17 PM

Kenzi Shabuya
Mr. Moto
Pepper Gomez
Ray Stevens
Gorgeous George

There were twin wrestlers who were on a famous poster riding Honda Tote-goats (50cc) and they were so huge you could just barely see the bikes. Can't remember their names.

Full Nelson
Half Nelson
The Sleeper
Scizzor lock
Arm bar
Turnbuckle Bash
Hammer lock
Toe lock
Forearm smash
Atomic drop
Back breaker
Eye gouge
Rabbit punch
Kidney punch

True, they are not all holds and not all legal but as I remember it, not a whole lot of what took place was legal, except for the good guys. The refs could never detect anything wrong, especially when it was right before their eyes. I loved the interviews. That's where we learned about "Pencil-necked Geeks" and "Turkey necked Geeks". What's not to love about Wrasslin'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Beer
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 11:35 PM

Slag you are wonderful. You must have been a great wrestling fan. There are only a few of which you mentioned that I am not familiar with. The Atomic Drop. How could I forget. Thanks for sharing your list. It is a great one. Olddude, the Pile Driver is another geat memory.
ad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Slag
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 01:24 AM

Thanks Beer! My friends and I would watch and always found it extremely difficult to believe. Most of the stuff they did would kill anybody had it been for real but it was great fun anyhow. I know I'm forgeting about a dozen other holds. If they come traipsing across my cranium, I'll post again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:04 AM

My dad and boy cousins would watch wrestling on Saturday afternoon in the 60's/70's, I remember a few holds which they would then demonstrate on me:-

Full Nelson,
Half Nelson,
Forearm Smash,
Boston Crab,
Irish Whip? (they could have made that one up).

But I don't know who actually invented the holds but they would cheat by tickling which caused me to submit sooner, which was really unfair and I am sure not in the rule book.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:19 AM

I have often wondered about professional wrestling, because the acting is so silly. Who writes the scripts, I wonder and how well are they rehearsed? With big guys like that lumbering around each other it must get bloody dangerous if there are accidents. The other thing, which has always baffled me, is how is it decided who gets the titles? They are obviously important as part of the show and crowd pulling, but on what basis are they awarded? I used to enjoy the spectacle as a young kid, but it is a bit embarrassing to watch now - especially as the scripts have grown even more ridiculous. I can't help but have a lingering curiosity though about how it is all managed. Can anyone tell me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:27 AM

...come back Kent Walton, all is forgiven !

For Uk viewers then...(and those of us watching illicitly at our grannies' in Dublin!).....

What about Mick McManus, Bert Royal and his brother ?Faulkner, Steve Logan, Jackie Pallo, Billy Two Rivers, Les Kellett,Giant Haystacks, Shirley Crabtree...any more?
D


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 06:31 AM

Shirley Crabtree was known as "Big Daddy" wasn't he? Do you remember Ricky Starr? He was an American and a good entertainer. My Mum liked him!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 07:37 AM

This is a good web site for anyone interested in the Golden Era of Britsh Wrestling before the latter years of Big Daddy etc came along to ruin it.
Re-live the classic years of British professional wrestling .
www.wrestlingheritage.co.uk


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 07:47 AM

Does this include hockey fights/grips?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: olddude
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 07:50 AM

Pro wrestling, they have to call it an event because it is scripted. It was illegal to use the term match so it is all event. I read that someplace 100 years ago ... but it takes nothing away from the skill of the old time wrestlers. Being a Pennsylvania boy ... how could I not be a big fan of Bruno San Martino in that time frame. I would never watch wrestling today ... but as a kid it was fun to watch with my dad

anyone remember Moose Sholack ... (sp) always had his ear protectors on, remember him


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: olddude
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 07:51 AM

and the polish power Ivan Putski (sp) his bear hug


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:02 AM

Jackie Pallo was my favourite because of the pirate ponytail so different from the rest. Steve Logan I remember because of his broody moody look, it was extra specially when there was a tag match when Mick McManus teamed up with Steve Logan. Nagasaki was the masked man, my father had a theory that it was a different man under the mask each time. My gran was one of those illicit old ladies who enjoyed her Saturday afternoon watching it. She used to describe what she would do if she got into the ring with them. Gran was a big lady and I think she would have come out the winner!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: olddude
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:15 AM

How about the women wrestlers ... Hey Beer remember the fabulous Moola? with her drag down my the hair move (illegal)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Beer
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:43 AM

You got me on that one olddude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Mr Happy
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 09:10 AM

Tibor Zakash et al

More here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_in_the_United_Kingdom


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Mr Happy
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 09:12 AM

..........& I nearly forgot, Jimmy Saville was a prominent member of the circuit prior to Top of the Pops!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: olddude
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 09:51 AM

here ya go beer
Moolah


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 11:18 AM

My father used to do a hold he called "the Japanese Crab". This consisted of grabbing a handful of the babyfat of my belly and not letting go. I dutifully passed this effective, disabling move on to my sons, in the same manner.

I don't know if dear old dad invented the Japanese Crab or if he picked it up from some dirty wrestler of his childhood. Or from his own dad.

Speaking of my dad, here's a recent quote: "The 'rules of war'?! The 'rules of war' are like the rules of Big Time Wrestling .... "


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Beer
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 12:15 PM

Thanks Olddude. What an interesting read. Here is a copy and pasted paragraph of one of her moves. I never heard of it before.


" Jumping Snapmare"
With the wrestler's back to the opponent, he/she applies a three-quarter facelock (also known as a cravate), kneels down, and then pulls the opponent forward, flipping them over his/her shoulder down to the mat, back first. Another variation, sometimes called a "flying mare", sees the wrestler pull the opponent by the hair over his/her shoulder before slamming them to the mat.[7] This is often used as a transition to a submission hold, usually a grounded sleeper.
ad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: olddude
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 12:22 PM

The neck breaker is another move ... I just thought of


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: olddude
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 12:24 PM

Dominic Danucci (sp) did one called the Australian toe hold ... He would grab the guy by the foot and bend the toes backwards ...

Why do I remember this stuff, I was all about Martial arts   LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 02:39 PM

how about the Father Nelson ? where a wrestler dressed like a priest comes at you from behind, pins your arms in the air and then....

ah never mind, I've been reading a lot of Frank McCourt lately


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Slag
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 03:57 PM

In those days of early TV one local station would broascast training sessions from Handford California where they would demonstrate their various stunts. That didn't last too long as they were afraid that it would dim the "mystique", I suppose. But make no "mistake" those guys are the real deal when it comes to athleticism. If you watch analytically you can see them give verbal and non-verbal signals, usually taps disguished as part of the moves. Most often it's a "go" or "no-go" signal. The opponent will often assist with a lift or some other maneuver which would be difficult or nigh impossible. Yes! The "Flying Mare". I also liked the routine where they would get to bouncing off the ropes, back and forth until the was a collision of some sort!

Remember Man Mountain Mike? He rivaled Haystack Calhoun in stature.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:39 PM

There was another huge guy called Man Mountain Montana. Same basic schtick...you absorb a bunch of blows in your massive gut, then do a mighty belly bounce that knocks the other guy down, then FALL on your opponent and squash him! ;-)

I believe that what is normally done, Alanabit, is that the opposing wrestlers get together backstage before the bout and discuss in detail how the upcoming match will go so they'll get all the moves choreographed right. They have to plan it out, because there's a good deal of risk of physical injury if you don't know the script well, and not a little risk of getting hurt even if you do. Those guys work hard for the money and they take quite a bit of damage as time goes by. The "bad guy" also has to put up with the public hating him...but some of them seem to relish it...and being a really hated "heavy" is a great ticket draw. ;-)

Long-running feuds are a staple of wrestling entertainment, so those are of course carefully planned as well by the wrestlers and their management. If a feud can draw other wrestlers and wrestling personalities in, so much the better. The public seems to have a boundless appetite for such vendettas which are really just a very sweaty form of soap opera.

But, yeah, those guys are real athletes, you betcha. It's a tough racket to be in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: gnu
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 04:47 PM

I rercall seeing CBC news footage of André The Giant losing his cool. He grabbed a guy who was outside the ring by the head and "levered" him on the ropes on his clavicals and vaulted him back in the ring. It was rather disturbing to watch. Lucky the guy wasn't killed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: mayomick
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 06:40 PM

Jackie Pallo spoiled the fun with his book that exposed all the match rigging . It was called You Grunt and I'll Groan .He said in it that the only thing that the wrestlers could never work out was whether the BBC commentator ,Ken Walton, was in on the act or if he was genuinely naive.

Does anyone know why nelsons were so called ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 06:54 PM

Oh heck....memories...

EVERY Saturday afternoon Dad would come home around 4pm, as it was his half day. He was an optician and they closed early on Saturdays in those days. Well, in he'd walk and the weekend began...He'd give Leigh, my brother, and I, our little paper bags of sweets, that he'd buy for us every weekend..a whole week's supply of sweets in one bag!

And then...on would go the telly, and out would come Jackie Pallo and Mick MacManus...Dad would sit enraptured..and I'd watch him, whilst slowly letting my Milky Bar melt in my mouth, thinking how strange it was that a man who'd not hurt a fly, who was so very gentle *loved* to watch wrestling with a passion.. :0)

He'd taught himself to box, when in the RAF, as he was a bit skinny back then, apparently..and he had a terrible stutter too, so he got picked on a bit...Boxing bored me to tears, I have to say, in fact..it upset me to see people hitting each other. Dad had learnt it as self-defence, but he continued to watch it all his life..

Wrestling was different, because it was all roaring and dancing round the ring really..with loads of acting and funny grimaces thrown in..and sometimes they'd make me squeal with chuckles because they were so funny..nearly made me choke on my Sherbert Fountains! :0)

Happy Days...strange days...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Beer
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 10:02 PM

Nice read Lizzie. Thanks.
Little Hawk I appreciate your summation. Very very well said.
Ad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wrestling Holdes From the 50/60ties
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 10:24 PM

I mean, all the wrestlin' holds and tricks allready been laid out like Steamboat Steve after takin' a' sleeper from 'ol Haystacks Calhoun... So...

...when I was like 12-13 and watchin' the local TV wrestlin' there was this guy who looked one heck of alot like one of the TV wrestlers but he always denied it??? Said musta been someone who look like him...

Then one Friday night me and my brother watchin' the wrestlin' and this guy is on as ____________________ (fill in yer favorite) an' he's got him a bandage on his cheek goin' into the match... Hmmmmmm??? So next day I at the Graham Road Drug Store and he come in... Same bandage??? Same guy who always said he weren't the wrestler on the TV??? So I walked up to him and said, "Did good last night"... He says, "What you mean, son???"... I says, "You is "The Deliveryman" wrestler', aint ya'???"... He say, "No, son, that ain't me... Must be someone who looks like me..."

Yeah, okay, folks... Maybe he thought he was fooling the neighbors but he don't fool me... 'Er my brother... Brother tell ya...

B~


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