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GUEST,Topic 56 13 Oct 10 - 11:28 AM
Leadfingers 13 Oct 10 - 11:46 AM
GUEST,Topic 56 13 Oct 10 - 12:08 PM
Jim Dixon 15 Oct 10 - 10:08 AM
Silas 16 Oct 10 - 09:13 AM
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GUEST,Topic 56 23 Oct 10 - 07:09 AM
Leadfingers 23 Oct 10 - 08:33 AM
GUEST,Topic 56 19 Nov 10 - 08:58 AM
Herga Kitty 19 Nov 10 - 02:41 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick
From: GUEST,Topic 56
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 11:28 AM

Does anybody have the words for the monologue by Bill Caddick Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick. I know it is on the Sunny Memories Lp. However I am trying to save having to keep playing the track untill I get it all down on paper which could take ages


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 11:46 AM

By e-mail       @aol.com Try asking Bill - And Sunny Memories is a storming album , isnt it ?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick
From: GUEST,Topic 56
Date: 13 Oct 10 - 12:08 PM

I have allready asked Bill Caddick and he said he would have to search round to see if he could find it. He never commited it to memory and when he performed it he had the word sheet to read it from I am just trying to cover all bases. Yes Sunnie Memories was a great Lp as was the show the took round based on it. But then again all Bill's recordings were great.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 10:08 AM

I learned this at Wikipedia:

Groaty pudding (also known as Groaty Dick) is a traditional dish from the Black Country in England. It is made from soaked groats, beef, leeks, onion and beef stock which are baked together at a moderate temperature of approximately 150°C (300°F) for up to 16 hours. In the Black Country it is traditional to eat groaty pudding on Guy Fawkes Night.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Silas
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 09:13 AM

Groats? - I think you m,ay mean 'oats'!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 06:20 PM

Wikipedia says "Groats are the hulled grains of various cereals, such as oats, wheat, barley, or buckwheat (which is actually a pseudocereal)."

This Musical Traditions discography says the title is P-TARMIGAN AND GROATY DICK and it's on Bill Caddick's album "Sunny Memories," Leader LER 097, 1977.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: GUEST,Topic 56
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 07:09 AM

There seem sto be a lot about what groaty Dick was as a food and correcting me that it should be P-Tarmigan not ptarmigan. But all i wanted to know if anybody could give me the words. It does appear that nobody can. I shall have to rely on Bill caddick getting back to me with the word or goeng through it on my LP Sunny Memories and getting it all down after god knows how many plays of the track. Perhaps I should find somebody who is a shorthand expert.
Cheers anyway


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Oct 10 - 08:33 AM

You COULD (IF you have the facility) tape the Vynil and use THAT to transcribe - Far less wear and tear on the actual record !


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: GUEST,Topic 56
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 08:58 AM

You will be pleased to hear that I now have the words for P-Tarmigan and Groaty Dick by Bill Caddick. Bill has now actually sent me the words, so I am sorted. I had also tried Tim Laycock for them who at one time new it by heart, he tried to remember it but could not but he tried for which I am gratefull. I am now working on it to have it ready for a Christmas singers night I am goin to.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 02:41 PM

I will be introducing Bill's concert at Haddenham on 1st January next year, so am very tempted to request PT & GD! Don't expect to hear it though, after the above posts....

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 08:16 AM

If the whole thing is posted here , someone will be able to prompt Bill ! LOL


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 08:33 AM

I did ask Bill about this doggerel!
His answer was that he wrote it specifically for the "Sunny Memories" project. Read it for the recording, but, never actually learnt or performed it live! (well, he's forgotten if he did anyway!)
Still a marvellous piece on a wonderful LP.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 08:41 AM

Groaty Dick sounds more like some kind of VD..................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 03:18 PM

Spaw: It's the likes of you that causes all kinds of trouble.

From the BBC:

Pudding renamed Spotted Richard

    The traditional suet pudding Spotted Dick has been renamed "Spotted Richard" at a council canteen - because customers keep making jokes.
    The new name for the dessert, with another alternative Sultana Sponge, has appeared on the menu at Flintshire Council headquarters in Mold.
    The council said catering staff made the decision after "immature comments" and it was not a policy decision.
    But one councillor described the move as "political correctness gone mad".
    Staff from the nearby court complex in Mold also use the council canteen.
    Spotted Dick is a steamed suet pudding containing dried fruit, and is thought to have originated in the middle of the 19th Century.
    The "spotted" part of the name refers to the currants, which resemble spots, and "Dick" is believed to derive from the word dough.
    The council spokesman said: "The correct title for this dish is 'Spotted Dick.' However because of several immature comments from a few customers, catering staff renamed the dish 'Spotted Richard' or 'Sultana Sponge'.
    "This was not a policy decision, canteen staff simply acted as they thought best to put an end to unwelcome and childish comments, albeit from a very small number of customers."
    But Flintshire Councillor Klaus Armstrong-Braun criticised the ban on the original pudding name.
    He said he had made an official complaint about the name change which he called "ludicrous" and said had cost money because a new label was needed for the food.
    The councillor said the bosses who had made the decision would soon be "frightened of their own shadow".
    "People make silly comments about everything in life, there is no need to change the name over it."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Nov 10 - 03:39 PM

Spaw: see also the lyrics to this song: I'M SORRY I ATE YOUR GRAMPA by Frank Rae.

(It would spoil the joke if I told you why.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Ptarmigan and Groaty Dick (Bill Caddick)
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 23 Nov 10 - 04:41 AM

"Read it for the recording, but, never actually learnt or performed it live!"
I first heard it performed on the live tour of "Sunny Memories" and then subsequently asked Bill if he would do it when he was guest at South Tyne Folk and Blues around 1976 which he duly obliged. Although I think that he read it from a sheet.


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