BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday-13 Oct 1925

Subject: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 07:54 AM

Yesterday was margaret Thatcher's 85th Birthday. I hope she was watching TV to see miners celebrating, supported by a whole nation....and scousers coming out of court happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 07:58 AM

Bloody Thatcher!

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:13 AM

One of the hardest ever people to forgive.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:44 AM

Tory.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 09:19 AM

With luck, it may be her last.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 12:44 PM

well she is not going to her birthdy celebration tonight due to flu... you may get your wish.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 01:39 PM

As an ex miner caught up in '84...

I have two bottles of cheap plonk, not decent Krug, (I have that also as my responsible adult likes it.)

I call one of the bottles Margaret and the other Arthur.

It may be cheap plonk, but it will taste sweeter than Bollinger when I get to open either. (I have two to allow for the coincidence of needing to open them on the same day.)

Yes, I actually shock myself with my plans, as they are not in character at all.

But I remain unrepentant.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 03:32 PM

If it hadn't been for her fucking friend pinochet, Victor Jara would be here to write songs about the rescued miners.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 06:45 PM

But Bonzo, I thought you liked fascists.

I hope she lives long - so that she can be a long time dying, in pain.

Scargill, on the other hand, was an underappreciated hero who was alas outmanoeuvred by the bitch.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Kampervan
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 07:52 PM

The real issue is not what Maggie Thatcher was or did; she was at least true to her beliefs.

The tragedy is that, recently, the left could not find a decent leader who was true to our principles.

The closest we came was John Smith and even he was never really tested. The others have all sold out for power and personal wealth.

We should criticise ourselves rather than wasting such base, vicious emotion on another human being. Hate lessens us more than it harms the recipient.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 07:58 PM

"she was at least true to her beliefs"

Was Hitler true to his beliefs? Stalin?

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Kampervan
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:02 PM

Unlike them, she managed to get herself democratically elected three times.

WE voted for her.
Not you, I know, if you ask them no-one actually voted for her; but she still got herself elected.
Don't blame her, blame the opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:33 PM

Her beliefs were awful....her redeeming feature was that you knew exactly where you stood and what to expect. Politicians nowadays would sell their birthrighr for a mess of potage....or a few votes.....or a few points in a popularity contest.....or.....

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 10:52 PM

You all may not be aware of this but Conrad Bladey, #1 Peasant, is developing a new tradition where a 45 pound turkey is roasted in an open pit on Guy Fawkes Night and then this tough bird is eaten by Conrad symbolizing his admiration for her as he eats out her ass.

That makes no sense unless you'rte following another thread.....preferably at a distance.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 02:25 AM

I think you are all mad.....You live, and as far as I can see, want to live in a Capitalist system, Thatcher was oneof the great Capitalist leaders, her "right to buy" was a masterstroke, she knew we were becoming uncompetetive globally in heavy industry and did what had to be done from a Capitalist viewpoint.

When the Blair "liberals" took over, we got an illegal war and a financial meltdown, the outcome of which will cause more suffering amongst the poor than Thatcher ever did.
The seeds of that meltdown were of course germinated in the Thatcher years, but New Labour embraced capitalism with all their strengh.

Question the system, rather than pile hate on an old woman who believed in what she was doing
To equate Thatcher and Scargill shows a marked lack of political understanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 03:09 AM

No, she did what she wanted to do to make the rich richer and the poor both poorer and more controlled. She also committed mass murder (the Belgrano) and took the UK to open (if undeclared) war (Falklands) for electioneering purposes - although she was of course wholly right to deny Argentinian claims to the Falklands (as B.Liar was right to condemn the Butcher of Bagdad, the difference between the proper opposition and the unlawful war being the beginning of acts of war).

The right to buy was a gerrymander as bad as (and bigger than) Porter's electoral swindle (and theft of council money) in Westminster.

You are right that the seeds of the banking meltdown came from the Thatcher years (too many overlook that) and indeed that B. Liar and the willowy Mandelbaum were happy to grab money for themselves by capitalist means, but not all Labour politicians were quite so tarred with the same brush.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: theleveller
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 03:41 AM

Looks like the Condems are trying to out-Thatcher Thatcher in their rush to divdie society into the "haves" and "have-nots".

Bloody Cameron. Bloody Clegg.



Bloody Thatcher!

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 03:55 AM

"Bloody Cameron. Bloody Clegg.



Bloody Thatcher!"<<<<<




Bloody Blair.
Bloody Brown.


Bloody Hypocrisy of those who only condemn those not in 'their team'


Blair took us into TWO 'invasions' where we had no right to be. Brown continued that and was responsible for losing the pensions of thousands of people (oh so conveniently forgotten)

I give not a shit for 'teams'...If the Leader is a person in whom I put my trust, then I expect them to change things for the better..

So far, not one who has been given my trust has done that...

I no longer know where The Good Men And True went, but sure as hell they didn't go into Politics.

I also get soooo tired of folks in this country blaming a leader from over 20 years back for all the present ills...New Labour stank as much as Thatcher did and they are responsible for a great deal of the financial shite we're now in, along with the Controlled Life that we are living.

In my eyes, all are as bad as each other, because none of them have the guts to make a stand and make it right. Everyone's so intent on fighting the different 'teams', scoring as many points as they can against each other, rather than saying "We are all in this deep shite together now. We all have to pull together and have only ONE team, working for everyone."

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: theleveller
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 04:56 AM

"Bloody Hypocrisy of those who only condemn those not in 'their team'"

Not sure what you're getting at here, Lizzie. My "team", as you so naively put it, is the Green Party - has been for years. A party that works hard for a change in outlook and approach to the world. The hypocrites, in my opinion, are those who sit on the sidelines moaning and wailing about what a horrid world it is but don't join in with others to actually try to DO something about it.

I'm just soooo sad that you're soooo tired of people blaming Thatcher - you poor love. But if you had been living in the Yorkshire coalfields in the 80s and seen what bloody Thatcher did to both the coal and steel industries in the north and what a legacy of deprivation it has left to this day it might not be such a yawn for you.

So I'll say it again: Bloody Thatcher - may you rot in hell.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:53 AM

Hate Labour, loathe the Tories!

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 06:03 AM

Pity to start a thread with the express purpose of the vilification' of a sick old lady.
To glorify in the pain or death of another individual, is not the mark of a civilised, or reasonable person.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:07 AM

But it is justice. Just part of what she deserves.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:20 AM

If we all got what we deserved, maybe we wouldn't be so keen on the idea Richard :)

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: bubblyrat
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:42 AM

I really can't understand a member of the Green Party condemning coal-mine closures ! Coal is one of the most UN-green substances on the planet,and is wholly to blame for the polluted atmosphere in Poland,China,etc, where it is still a prime energy source.Do the Green Party want that here ?? Coal-fired power stations? Steam trains ?? A coal fire in every house in the land ?? Some of us are old enough to remember when it was,indeed,like that,and on a smoggy day in London or along the Thames Valley it was no joke !!
             Anyway,Maggie Thatcher didn't close the pits or steelworks all by herself ; she had more than enough help from Bolshy,uncompromising,arrogant,pissed-with-power trade union leaders ,who at this very moment are flexing their muscles over the London Fire Brigade fiasco !! If it wasn't for the likes of them,we'd still HAVE steel-making & ship-building in this country !

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:15 AM

Margaret Thatcher was desperate to go down in history with the reputation of being the person who emasculated the Trades Unions, and she wanted to do that so that her rich and powerful mates (and, presumably, her rich and powerful businessman husband)could have everything their own way.

So she carefully picked the NUM, who were perhaps the most powerful union at that time and who had foolishly elected a gormless numpty Commie as their leader, and she manoeuvred them into a fight that anyone with a minimum of two working brain-cells who wasn't an NUM-member could see they couldn't possibly win. Not only could they not win, but also their strike provided Maggie with the excuse she needed to destroy their industry and their livelihoods by closing the pits.

She was a genius.

She was also a bitch and a betrayer of her class (which is working-class - having a corner-shop, and getting into the sack with a millionaire, doesn't make anyone an aristocrat, even if they then marry the millionaire). It's a shame she didn't remember that she represented the whole of the people of the UK, and turn her genius to benefitting the majority, not just a minority whom she adored because they happened to have plenty of money.

IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Zen
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:59 AM

I never liked Margaret Thatcher and loathed her politics.

But some of the vile comments here are simply uncalled for IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:02 AM

To glorify in the pain or death of another individual, is not the mark of a civilised, or reasonable person.

Well, Old Maggie glorified in the pain and death she inflicted on countless thousands of people, or was at least indifferent to it, which perhaps is worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:13 AM

"Thatcher was oneof the great Capitalist leaders, her "right to buy" was a masterstroke"

.. oh yes, definitely that alright..


the tories give hard working better off 'respectable working class' council estate residents
the oportunity to buy their state provided homes;
and the freedom to express their individuality
by painting their newly owned front doors in colours of their own choice..

and at the same time create economic conditions under which
the factories that these new home owners depend on for their mortgages
are then permanently closed down...

yeah right, f@cking 'masterstroke'.. pure evil genius..

.. couldn't have planned it better
that these previously state owned propertiess could then be cheaply aquired
in mass at reposession auctions
by Thatchers rapacious profiteering banking & property developer cronies...


After the sudden closure of our local factory,
the single most important employer in town,
that our council estate community existed to support,
my dad's redundancy after nearly 30 years loyal service at that factory
just about destroyed him and my family..


btw.. Happy Birthday maggie
you poor frail dear..
try not to get too much drool on your cardigan
when nursey spoonfeeds
you some nicely mashed soft cake...

lucky you can afford the best private health care money can buy...
my old mum doesn't expect to be able to enjoy such security and comfort.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Bainbo
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:18 AM

Although it was obviously a disappointment that she couldn't be at her own party, I see the day was saved when the Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzeneger, popped in instead (true!)




No one noticed the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:01 AM

Pity to start a thread with the express purpose of the vilification' of a sick old lady.
John, if you look at the OP, there was no vilification....just a pointing to the irony Of MT sharing her celebrations with miners and the people of Liverpool....archetypal sufferers ( Boys from the blackstuff etc) of the Thatcher years.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:27 AM

And of course nobody on Mudcat was EVER going to make a post wishing her harm on such a thread, were they?

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,cujimmy
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 11:59 AM

There are many people around the country who never recovered from her actions, many communities and people were left to rot, despair, drug problems and depression took the place of pride, self esteem and close communities. What she did is unforgiveble for many of us i'm afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Rog Peek
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:18 PM

I've always thought Ewan McColl's take on Thatcher was priceless:

The Grocer (Ewan McColl)

Come all you argumentative sods who like to chew the rag
Who'll sit in a bar for hours on end and a beering drinking Jack
Sit down and park your feet a while and give your mouth a rest
And I'll tell you about a Dame they called the guardian of the West

Her hair was the best that money could buy her eyes were china blue
I swear they wouldn't've looked out of place on a frozen Cockatoo
She'd a nose like the blade of a metal saw and a voice like a tungsten drill
And she used it to bore the natives when she'd a couple of hours to kill

When she was a puking babe in arms she read in a magazine
About the Royals and decided she would like to be the Queen
But the job was already taken so she stamped her foot and said
"If I can't be the Queen or the Prince of Wales I'll be the PM instead"

And so she moved to NW4 to a pad in Downing Street
A well kept joint where she and her group of dead-beats used to meet
They'd dance around the table then they'd have a little chat
And in between she'd practice her elocution on the cat

The lady often said she'd've liked to have lived in the golden age
Before the days of the unions or the national minimum wage
She sighed when she thought of Hitler how he'd smashed them all to hell
"What he can do I can do better" she said "And probably twice as well"

And so she set out kill the unions one by one
All except the ETU for that had already been done
Teachers and civil servants workers down the mine
Needed a taste of the ladies whip to make them toe the line

The printers they came out on strike she went for them tooth and claw
Nurses and firemen struck as well she belted them with the law
They may be gallant heroes when they're saving peoples lives
But they're just a bunch of layabouts when they're asking for a rise

Well the lady's reputation plummeted down into the red
But trouble blew up in the Falklands it was jam on her ginger bread
"Thank God for a nice little war" she said "This is Britain's finest hour"
So a couple of hundred squadies died so she could stay in power

The day a Polish shipyard became a casualty
She rushed to Les Welensa crying solidarity
"Oh stay with us my dear" he said but she answered with a frown
"I have to rush back to Glasgow to close a shipyard down"

She doted on brave Colonel North and all that he represents
And she stuck like shit to a blanket to her favourite president
She was madly keen on Bushy Tail of the dear old CIA
And she carried a torch for Botha and General Penishay

Once behind the counter of her father's grocer shop
She sold butter and jam and flour and Spam and everything else the lot
But when the merchants' dice had changed old prices did apply
She sold the nation off in lots to all who wanted to buy

In the end, her beloved Tory party jettisoned her. After all the misery she caused, it seemed fitting that she should leave No 10 in tears. I'm sure she must have seen it as a stab in the back, and I derived some consolation from what for her must have been an ignominious exit. Ewan of couse did not live to witness her final days as PM, I hope he wouldn't mind my attempt at an addition to his song:

Her days in power were numbered as the election it grew near
It broke her heart to hear those words "You'll have to go my dear"
I'm sure she wakes in a sweat at night and thinks she's on the rack
Dreaming about those bosom pals who stabbed her in the back.

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Rog Peek
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:24 PM

PS Should have read 'Pinochet'. Transcibed it phonetically, meant to look it up later.

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 10:17 PM

Ewan at his brilliant pugnacious best. He could do lyricism, but no others had his command of agitprop doggerel with passion, humour and 'no surrender' as the subtext. It was never going to win another grammy for him, but he virtually possessed the form.

I don't suppose Ewans stuff passes any of the requirement of real folk music as insisted on by the experts, but damn! it was good!

And I'm proud to have seen him and known he was good, and talked with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 06:31 AM

This is what I wrote on a thread devoted to MacColl's The Grocer on 24 Aug 09:~

>>>Well, Ewan would have hated Thatcher with a vehemence, & as someone remarks above he wasn't the only one. But this is an ill-natured, witless song to my mind, not worthy of the considerable poet that EM at his best could be: what kind of socialism and 'Brotherhood of Man' is it to sneer at someone because her father happened to be of petit-bourgeois origin? In my review of his 'Journeyman' autobiog for the Times [16 Mar 91], I wrote that I admired his fine Radio Ballads songs and songs of men-at-work like "Champion At Keeping 'Em Rolling", 'but wouldn't give a dime a dozen for the political songs of which, he tells us, it was his aim from the sixties to the eighties to write at least ten each month'. The song which is subject of this thread strikes me as a pretty dire example of this genre.<<<

I see no reason to depart from that opinion. But I don't expect much agreement from the ill-natured & malevolent posters above who relish the thought of people's ill-deaths. I hope they won't trouble to respond as I shan't open this thread again. I just find it too distressing.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 06:51 AM

Distressing????

You shoud have been a member of the underclass in the eighties mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 07:27 AM

Mrs Thatcher WAS capitalism......why do you keep voting for her?
Is it perhaps that you are not one of that disenfranchised underclass? The addicts, the homeless, the psychotic,the hopeless....that evolving capitalism produces.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 07:30 AM

Er - I didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 09:46 AM

And of course nobody on Mudcat was EVER going to make a post wishing her harm on such a thread, were they?

Am I my brother's keeper?

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 12:27 PM

>>>Well, Ewan would have hated Thatcher with a vehemence, & as someone remarks above he wasn't the only one. But this is an ill-natured, witless song to my mind, not worthy of the considerable poet that EM at his best could be: what kind of socialism and 'Brotherhood of Man' is it to sneer at someone because her father happened to be of petit-bourgeois origin? In my review of his 'Journeyman' autobiog for the Times [16 Mar 91], I wrote that I admired his fine Radio Ballads songs and songs of men-at-work like "Champion At Keeping 'Em Rolling", 'but wouldn't give a dime a dozen for the political songs of which, he tells us, it was his aim from the sixties to the eighties to write at least ten each month'. The song which is subject of this thread strikes me as a pretty dire example of this genre.<<<

Okay sorry I spoke. I refuse to defend my views on folk music. Thats led me to all kinds of trouble in the past on Mudcat. I know what I think of Ewan's efforts. My opinion is different to yours - lets leave it at that.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: theleveller
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 01:36 PM

"I really can't understand a member of the Green Party condemning coal-mine closures ! "

No? Well why doesn't that surprise me? Oh well, they say ignorance is bliss so if you can't be arsed to find out for yourself I'll leave you in your joyfully simplistic world.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 03:50 PM

"liberals" hate radicals more than they hate conservatives!

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 08:32 PM

Ewan McColl?? Was that his name or the name he chose to evade being branded as a deserter? And this is the man whose opinion we respect? Sorry I think not.

Margaret Thatcher was the best peacetime Prime Minister that this country has seen in the twentieth century without any shadow of a doubt. Not a single policy she put in place did any sucessive goverment ever rescind and she, NOTE she build the foundation of the wealth that Blair and Brown pissed away.

Hey folks when you elect a Government you elect a leader and guess what you should actually expect that leader to lead - It is not, repeat NOT a popularity contest, never was never will be. It always boils down to what needs doing must be done, no matter how painful and believe me after the last thirteen years of populist NuLiebour Government we are in for some painful medicine, you crowd voted for it now suck up the measures required. Had Maggie been at the helm none of it would have ever been required.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 04:42 AM

"Had Maggie been at the helm none of it would have ever been required."

Sorry, I dont believe that Teribus.
With the destruction of manufacturing and heavy industry,we, under a capitalist system, had to find other ways to generate growth in the economy. We could never compete with Eastern nations in these fields, as they had already discovered that they could exploit their OWN people and resources.

Blair's civil rights and equality legislation made the need for growth all the more urgent, so we finally ran out of road.

The credit boom was the result....as far as we are concerned it will be the last boom, we are now on the road to a facist state.
Britian is becoming totalitarian.
I dont think thats what Mrs Thatcher envisioned, but it would have happened whether or not she had been "at the helm"

All this written from a capitalist perspective of course...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:06 AM

Thatcher did not envision totalitarianism? Are you mad? She shut down the GLC because it was a power base for criticism of her. She revamped the entire TV franchise system to get back at Thames TV for the "Death on the Rock" programme. She loved a good gerrymander - as you would find out if it was possible to tear the truth out of her friend Porter now safely hiding behind the Israeli courts.

And as for reversing her policies, we are just starting to see the light (Blair at least remained Thatcher-lite) dawning with the culling of the "internal market" in the NHS, and the beginnings of a recognition of the need to renationalise infrastructure.

Within 20 years Thatcherwasm will be in the history books as as unsuccessful an experiment as abolition. Quite simply it leads all the faster to the predicted collapse of capitalism under the weight of its internal contradictions - which collapse started of course in banking and house ownership.

Abolition was however well intentioned. Bossy Roberts simply wanted to hand more power to the rich and to enslave the British people.

If the capitalist system continues, house and land prices must eventually rise to even higher levels - same amount of land, more and more people. That must eventually lead to another boom.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:42 AM

FACT - Since the end of the Second World War every single labour government that has left office has left office with the country in an all mighty mess and penniless. Not only that but each successive time they have left office the extent of the mayhem that they have wrought is greater.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill

No truer words ever spoken.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Silas
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:48 AM

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill

No truer words ever spoken."

I am sure that there are many truer words spoken than this electioneering drivel. Chrchill was many things, but a champion of the working man he was not.

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:53 AM

Well, Teri - you probably like his verdict on the traditional values of the Navy then.

Rum, sodomy, and the lash.

He could have added lung cancer with the free tobacco too (paid for, of course, out of taxes).

Subject: RE: BS: Margaret Thatcher's Birthday.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:53 AM

The coal industry destroyed itself. The steel industry was destroyed at the behest of the EEC.
Isn't it nice to have someone to blame, when the cause you espouse, fucks up, yet again?