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Subject: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 11:45 PM

I know there is another thread on the rescue, but I didn't want to take away from word on the rescue and aftermath itself.

Anyway, I truly believe that the world has been changed by this. I can't figure out all the ways, and some are pretty obvious...but I shall try to enumerate some. I think all are pretty positive...so far...there will be adjustment problems etc. no doubt.

1. The whole world watched on TV and internet. This is a powerful occurrence that does not happen often..Princess Diana's wedding and funeral, Michael Jackson's death, Chernobyl, Katrina, .
2. There was a happy ending, in a time where the world has been under great strains..natural disasters and wars and financial collapses. We need optimism.
3. A country that those of us in admittedly chauvinistic countries probably had underestimated pulled this off..with international cooperation, but also through its own coordination and expertise. I asked myself what my stereotype of Chile was before..good soccer players, plucky people, good agricultural specialists and fishermen..but I did not think of them in terms of engineering etc. I do know, because I work in agricultural support..that they..some of them at least..comply with what markets want..if Japan say wants an apple that is blue on the bottom and smells like roses, they will find a way to produce it for that market. We on the other hand..in USA..some of us..have a mindset that is they can't tell us how to grow apples..we have been growing apples this way for 200 years. That is a silly request...we don't think all their pesticide regulations are reasonable..we will find another market. The Chileans will go ahead..I can't speak for the country..but again I think some..would create a blue apple that smelled like roses. They are formidable competitors.
4.   All sorts of religious and spiritual stuff...Lazarus and the resurrection and born again. But I was just reading something I had not thought of...the ride up the shaft was like what people in near-death experiences have described..going through the tunnel and seeing the brilliant light...
5. The importance of marriage and family and fatherhood. Who, seeing that little son of the first guy up, would say that fathers are not important..and people do..HOpefully more respect for their role will come from this, as well as respect for the hard and dangerous work men all over the world do for their families.
6. Technology has changed us..miners will have more hope, and more expectations of safety. Owners will know that men can come out alive and will talk. No secrets will be buried with them.
7. Politics -- the president of course has his critics, but to an outsider, he seemed pretty darned good. He allowed the operation to be filmed and anything could have happened..a heart attack, a stuck tube, a collapse..I think this will lead, now that people have seen transparency in such an operation..to more transparency in other political and government areas.

Well, that is all for now. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 11:50 PM

Thought of something else. I just read that North Korea had sent reporters. Think of being a miner in North Korea. This has changed their lives..hopefully for the better. And miners all over the world knew better than the rest of us what was going on..official felicitations were sent from South Africa and China..probably other countries with large mining economies. I imagine that miners in Ukraine, Poland, Afghanistan looking for emeralds..are in solidarity. We should all sing Shosolosa..a song about miners waiting for a train to take them to the mines. Later I will post some of my you tube findings on mining songs.. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 12:52 AM

I hope it's as rosy a scenario but I keep remembering post 9/11. We in the US had the world with us- and we blew it.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 03:16 AM

Here is Paddy Reilly..says it is Dubliners but I don't think so..WOrking man..video is of men coming out of a mine disaster..most of them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvFqVgz1AGo&feature=related

The best version is by the author, Rita McNeil of Cape Breton. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 04:11 AM

Let us hope that it does, mg.

What did I see in Chile these past weeks..?

Unity
Family
Hope
Support
Compassion
Emapathy
Determination
Positivity
Emotion
Friendship
Faith
Society
Intelligence
Knowledge
Caring
Prayer
Sensitivity
Spirituality
Love

All of these led to what was pretty much, let's face it, a miraculous outcome from an almost hopeless and horrifying situation.


And all that is SO much better than:

Greed
Money
Hatred
War
Killing
Torture
Negativity
Hopelessness
Apathy
Lying
Competition
Division
De-Sensitising
Bitchiness
Nastiness
Put Downs
Egos


Most of the families up in Camp Hope were probably pretty poor, but oh, they have such wealth!   It is a wealth which so many other parts of the world have lost, despite their billions and millions..for it is the Wealth of the Human Soul and nothing, no banker, no amount of money can ever compete with that.

Yes, mg, the world has a great deal to learn from what happened in this incredible story.

I think they should call the film...

The Thirty Three Steps


...then build the story around the 33 steps the world took, to return itself back to the point of Caring and Love.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 04:34 AM

I'm very relieved that they've been rescued and wish them the best.

It was a news story with a happy ending. In a few weeks time there will not be a word about it, yes they will be household names for a few months in Chile, then they will probably have to continue mining to support themselves and their families.

The media will focus on the next big story. The only time you will read about these men again will be about squabbling over money, fame or the mistresses that turned up that their wives and girlfriends never knew about.

I doubt very much anyone will give the story a second thought by Christmas.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:09 AM

You are probably right Richie, but it is a moment of good, which we would do well to savour and remember. The only other time in my life that I can recall the whole world being united in a cause was when the Appollo 13 mission nearly ended in disaster. Those men were also saved by a mixture of ingenuity, improvisation and cool courage. Everyone everywhere wanted them back too. There will indeed be disasters and horrific killings before Christmas, but I for one shall at least give thanks that thirty-three families have had another chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 06:32 AM

I am sorry to say that has or will not change the world.

Yes we all pulled together to hope that it ended happily.

It will not stop the stupid wars etc.

Will Britain and USA pull out of Afganistan? I think not.

Will we ever see the end of terrorists killing innocent people and of course, will we ever see the end of countries killing innocent people in other countries. I think not.

However it was nice to share our good thoughts to the miners and families, irrespective of religion, politics, mudcat :-) etc etc.

So to the next vicious thread in Mudcat or the next bombing from whoever etc etc.

I do understand your post mg but cannot share your enthusiasm, sorry to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: bubblyrat
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:22 AM

I have to agree with Arthur-Itis on this one. It was a stupendous technical achievement, and obviously I rejoiced at the safe deliverance of all the miners, but I doubt that the Taleban will lay down their arms,or that there will be a gobal lessening of the terrorist threat,or that Israel & Palestine will be instigating a series of "friendly" football matches.
          The rescue-site itself was a media frenzy,with people at one stage trampling down a tent as they surged uncontrollably forward as a miner was brought to the surface (reporters,cameramen,journalists ,not the poor relatives),and it seemed that not a hug,not a tear,not a kiss,not an embrace,not one single Presidential ( and didn't he go ON and ON !!) smile,went unrecorded ad nauseam. I had to turn the TV off eventually,it seemed so....well,false,almost.Difficult to explain,but rather sad.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:44 AM

It doesn't change the whole world, like turning on a light switch - which is rather what is sometimes seen as implied by sayings such as "Nothing will ever be the same again", which always seem to crop up in these rare situations.

But this kind of experience does provide a chance for people to change some assumptions about the human world. And when an awful lot of people share that opportunity, all over the world, that could add up to something.

In particular there's the ready assumption that hangs around us which identifies being realistic with being cynical. Looking after number one, dog eats dog - that's the reality, anything else is a superficial gloss that disguises the rather unpleasant truth.

The drama of the 33 enables us to hope that this is a basically false assumption, and that it can be stood on its head. It's the cynical "realism" that is the superficial gloss. Loo0king out for each other is the true realism.

There was a slogan from the May Events in Paris in 1968 that has always encouraged me - "Be realistic - demand the impossible"


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: pdq
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 10:58 AM

written by Judi McLeod, Canada...

"By daylight this morning, nine miners had been rescued with the breathtaking rescue operation expected to continue over the next two days.

Things looked grim for the miners when the San Jose mine collapsed on Aug. 5. It was going to take painstaking patience and a marvel of engineering to bring the men, trapped 2,100 feet below, to the surface.

When it became clear that all 33 miners trapped in the mine were alive, an emergency call went out to find the expertise to save them and was answered by the Mission Woods, Kansas Layne Christensen Company, who sent their most experienced drillers to the rescue.

Although they've shunned the publicity, the heroes in this rescue mission are ones of epic proportion. They include two drillers Jeff Hart and Matt Staffel, who had been drilling water wells in Afghanistan to support U.S. troops stationed there. Assisting the drillers were two Spanish-speaking drilling helpers, Doug Reeves and Jorge Herrera from Layne's western region in the U.S.

(Layne's Latin American affiliate) "Geotec operations manager James Stefanic said he quickly assembled "a top of the line team" of drillers who are intimately familiar with the key equipment, including engineers from two Pennsylvania companies—Schramm Inc., which makes the T130 drill, and Center Rock Inc., which makes the drill bits." (Michelle Malkin, Oct. 12, 2010.)

It was to be a hair-raising operation from the get-go.

As part of an amazing three-way race, Colorado father of two, Jeff Hart, drilled for 33 days straight and was first to reach the caved-in workers 8 a.m., Saturday.

Malkin continues" ..."Standing before the levers, pressure meters and gauges on the T130's control panel, Hart and the rest of the team faced many challenges in drilling the shaft. At one point, the drill struck a metal support beam in the poorly mapped mine, shattering its hammers. Fresh equipment had to be flown in from the United States and progress was delayed for days as powerful magnets were lowered to pull out the pieces…"

Typically American, strong, silent and unassuming, Hart had been drilling water wells for the U.S. Army's forward operating bases when he got the call to fly to Chile.

Hart's was a job that called for spending 33 days on his feet while loved ones of the miners stood by with their hearts in their eyes.

Watching the rescue from the distance of his home television screen in Colorado because he wanted this to become the miners' and their families' story, Hart told the Denver Post: 'This is the most important thing I have done in my work and probably the most important thing I will ever do.'"


{Also, NASA sent 20 engineers who advised on everything from the resuce capsule to the diet the miners received. The rescue capsule is NASA technology too. In short, the United States was behind this rescue operation just as it was in Haiti, Indonesia, etc. Yes, everywhere we are needed and asked to help.}


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 12:54 PM

It will not stop the stupid wars etc.

Will Britain and USA pull out of Afganistan? I think not.

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No. It won't stop the stupid wars. One stroke of a file will not break a chain. One straw will not break the camel's back..one snowflake will not bring down a tree branch..unless it is the last one.

I would think engineers in Afganistan are very very interested in this..they are sitting on mountains full of emeralds and semi-precious stones such as lapis lazuli?? They are mining them with dangerous explosives and great waste of human energy and lives and waste of the product itself...extracting those gems safely could help in many ways..finance security for the country, build schools, hospitals, roads, rebuild what has been damaged...reduce dependence on the poppy etc. Google this..they are asking for assistance with their mining operations in exchange for very generous sharing of the proceeds..only small problem is security.

We can not begin to calculate the ripple effect of all this. I believe the world has taken a little shift on its axis. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 01:22 PM

I just got home from visiting a local BBC radio station today and was left with afeeling of how much value for money we get from our licence fee. It was a brilliant visit and most useful....

The I just switched on the 6 o'clock BBC news and have been left completley mesmerised by their sense of values.

Just two days after the greatest rescue story told hit our screens and had us all with tears in our eyes and praising the success, the BBC tonight decided to make the sale of Liverpool Football Club the top story! The second item was about the first Chilean miner to be released from hospital and going home. How quickly does yesterday's news die out from attention. However, it's not yesterday's news. It's still today's news and should be so for a while. How can the sale of a football club take top spot in the national news considering all the other major events and happenings going on with the world?

I'm bemused at how quickly the years top story has fell out of favour for football. Quite how it can come close to the world effects of th Miner's rescue is beyond me.

I am sure a great deal of good will come from the rescue. Not least is the fact that 33 men are alive who were doomed to a terrible death. The repercussions of the effects of all those people who pulled together to make this possible, all those prayers and hopes, and all that good will will likely e felt for a very long time. Rightly so too.

As I commented on a previous thread: I think the last time world focus sat on a world rescue was probably the Apollo 13 mission. This time it was not 3 but 33 men who were stranded and brought out the best of all those around them to secure their safe return home.

One can only commend those efforts and motivations. Good luck to all ivolved. I hope th feel good factor lasts them a lifetime :-)

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 02:09 PM

I keep wondering what would have happened if that mine was in West Virgina, and run by Massey Coal. I highly doubt the same outcome would have been achieved.

For one thing, there wouldn't have been the safe room where they lived for 69 days. 'Murrican mines don't usually have such frills.

And as for waiting 69 days to resume 'getting your coal,' well, we all know the answer to that one.

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 02:27 PM

Obama would have been more interested in slagging off the owners instead of supporting and helping them. He wouldn't have stood at the coalface until they were all safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 02:32 PM

Islandbridge, Dublin 8.

Madam, – For centuries the question has been asked, what is the greatest invention of all time? How fitting, therefore, in a troubled 21st century, that a simple revolving wheel should bring such a degree of joy and relief to the modern world. – Yours, etc,

BRIAN Mc KENNA,

Howth Road, Dublin 5.

Madam, – Surely a major miner miracle? – Yours, etc,

JIM McHUGH,

Rathbawn Drive,

Castlebar, Co Mayo.

Madam, – Why are we so moved by the rescue of the Chilean miners?

It is because ordinary men were not abandoned by their government in their hour of need. It's because the vulnerable were considered worth protecting; because a nation and its leaders rallied together in the belief that even the lives of these simple working men were worth every effort to save; because we are tired of the cynical greed and selfishness of our own national life, where the weak are abandoned and only the strong defended.

We have much to learn from the Chilean miners. – Yours, etc,

IAN KILROY,

Oaklands Crescent,

Rathgar,

Dublin 6.

Some Irish comments above...


As to what will happen the next time in West Virgnia? It will be different. It will be different in CHina and in Poland and in South Africa because they won't be able to get away with it at least to the degree as in the past. The world will watchguard and demand certain things and also provide assistance..and the first country they will call on will probably be Chile. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: pdq
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 02:41 PM

"..and the first country they will call on will probably be Chile"

No, they are going to call the United States and get people who will do the drilling and supply the equipment and do the job for them.

That's what Chile did.

That's what Haiti did.

That's what Indonesia did.

Etc, etc, etc...


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 02:43 PM

For one thing, there wouldn't have been the safe room where they lived for 69 days. 'Murrican mines don't usually have such frills.

This wasn't a coal mine, which makes a difference. The greater degree of space was because the mining process involved needed it.

Perhaps in the USA there'd have been Tea Party style people agitating against having Big Government take responsibility for running the rescue... But I somehow doubt it.

Have a look and a listen to George Papavgeris's great song about all this on this thread Lyr Add: Esperanza Waits Above (Chilean miners)


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Bettynh
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 02:57 PM

coal mines

The Chilean mine was much deeper, for one thing. The Chileans got to the miners without international help. They already had contracts and contacts with international experts. I'm not entirely convinced that first responders in this country would have been so effective. If they had to wait for FEMA or mine owners, they'd have starved to death.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 03:20 PM

They would have to do an environmental assessment to make sure the white butterfly was not going to be injured in the process. They would have had to get various permits. EPA would be involved. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 03:46 PM

Here is Rita McNeil singing with the Men of the Deeps -- coal miners from Nova Scotia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-EiwiiAh68

click


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 04:19 PM

Here is Mudcatter George Papavgeris with his new song (fresh off the press) about the Chile rescue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZslTUrCgpjA


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 04:26 PM

I hope there are changes in our educational system as a result of this. We just are not training the technicians and engineers that we need. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: pdq
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 04:42 PM

But we are training a bumper crop of lawyers and community activists.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:03 PM

`But we are training a bumper crop of lawyers and community activists.`

Problem`s gonna be getting them housebroke.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 05:25 PM

Activists, whether in the community or in the unions, are a key part of getting things better. Campo Esperanza was a wonderful and effective example of such activism.

And its going to take lawyers working for the miners to fight the lawyers employed by the company and the government, and make sure fair compensation is paid


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 06:15 PM

While I am happy for those rescued, and their families, I agree with Richie Black.

This was not the first miner rescue story, and not the last (and, some of the rescue operations years ago did not have the benefit of todays technology).

Miners around the world work in some really bad health and safety conditions...though better than in the past. I am dissapointed that this was rarely mentioned....as it could benefit others.

To me, as news, this was merely a good human interest story, with few bigger world news stories interrupting. It had a "best before date" concluding with the miners being rescued.

Hopefully, it remains a good news story. Unfortunately, stories like this turn around as sour life details emerge and the "fairy tale" details get debunked.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:20 PM

...if I was a mole in the ground, I'd root that mountain down...


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:24 PM

After reading THIS, it is my opinion that the world should leave them alone, fro a good long while. They need quiet time to recover and be treated for the psychological effects of being down there for so long, etc.

It is wonderful the way the seemingly whole world helped out and watched and prayed, etc. Sad that it takes an event like this to bring folks together in such good spirits, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 10:46 PM

"Obama would have been more interested in slagging off the owners instead of supporting and helping them. He wouldn't have stood at the coalface until they were all safe. "

Typical US partisan psedu-politics - just bigoted hatred.

Don't forget 3 miners died.

Well it was nice for El Presidente to be there, but he is on very shaky political ground at home, and this has boosted his political stakes greatly. I for one would not be impressed with the leader of any country standing around for days scratching his bum, rather than doing something useful in what he was elected to do.

I'm largely with Arthur and the others - nothing is gonna change much for the 'better'.

There was an Aussie at the site from the earliest times, lets not forget him in a wave of emotion about just bloody Yanks!

My best respect goes to the volunteers who went down inside the mine to help. They deserve medals much more than the poor guys stuck down there with no choice but to wait.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 12:59 AM

Well, CHina today announced it has been closing a bunch of illegal mines..they had been doing it all year...but they just announced it. I think a lot of countries are going to be doing a lot of safety investigations..a lot of US companies will be doing internal reviews etc. It has changed. The worm has turned. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 01:07 AM

... for the moment .... all that nonsense was 'promised' after the Tasmania miners .... wasn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 01:14 AM

Here is an article about the Massey mines...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/us/23mine.html?pagewanted=all

Perhaps we could each buy one stock and insist on things...mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 01:17 AM

$35

http://www.dailyfinance.com/quotes/massey-energy-company/mee/nys


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 02:20 AM

Some miners wives can feel the shift that has happened. One said her husband was a shift foreman or something similar and that changes were on the horizon.

Here is from another wife...

Elsa Beaudoin wrote:
Posted 2010/10/13
at 12:42 PM ETI live in a strong minning community and am a wife of a miner. There is not a day that goes by that I dont worry about what could go wrong. I would just like to say that I am truly touched and amazed with all the people involved with the rescue of these minors. This is a true global effort that has become a historical success. I would like to speak on behalf of all miners, miners wives and their families accross the globe and just say that there is a new found hope and belief being felt all over the world because of the true success of this rescue. My heart goes out to every single miner and their families....


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 09:40 AM

Changes the world?   Not.

I doubt very much anyone will give the story a second thought by Christmas.

Make that Thanksgiving.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 03:02 PM

Links between Chile and Phillipines..

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/203559/student-poetry-contest-to-celebrate-chilean-miners

Words on blogs from miners' families in Mexico and Russia..great sadness that their men were not rescued..but I think beyond that is expectations that they have a better chance now if something happens. lmg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 03:06 PM

I doubt very much anyone will give the story a second thought by Christmas.

I'd make that "some people". Sod them.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 03:38 PM

more about emeralds in Afghanistan as well as other minerals...

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/emeralds-of-afghanistan/

I think our days of more or less ignorance are over and that we have to now see the world in more x-ray vision..I now see this little web of tunnels and shafts all over the world. And when the lives of miners are improved, and we find ways to reduce our need for some stuff..like coal...which we already know how and yet selfish people protest windmills because they don't like the look of them...things will be better. And we can say, well...it is a hard world and they do have the option of leaving the mines and being terribly poor. Harsh as that is, there are worse situations and I think we need to look at places where they use essentially slaves in mines..North Korea comes to mind. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 05:12 PM

engineering mind at its finest..and this is the sort of skill and talent we should be encouraging in our schools but I have no sense that we really are..maybe we are and I just don't know. We need to regain the can-do attitude that Americans..all, north, south, central, Greenland etc. used to have and some still of course have..but I think it has been lessened by constant obstacles..some necessary, some frivolous.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/203558/straight-talking-engineer-was-behind-chile-rescue

And of course we can ask how can people do this incredibly technical stuff into the bowels of the earth and we can't get tarps to Haiti, just a few dozen miles off our coast? mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 06:03 PM

Thanks for this information, mg. I have to admit that I didn't know about the emeralds in the Afghan mountains until this thread came up (it's one of the reasons I love Mudcat)...

Here's an interesting video about the miners themselves and the mines where they risk their lives, day after day...

Afghanistan's Emerald Mines - Youtube


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 06:12 PM

One thing that stunned me in the engineer article that they have no maps of the tunnels underground. Shouldn't that be fairly easy to do? Can you GPS that far underground..probably not I suppose..do compasses work underground? How do you map underground? David I. must know..do you David..?

One thing in the Aberfan Wales slag heap that covered the school...the owner said there were no maps of the creeks that saturated the slag I guess...but he was not telling the truth it turns out. Anyway, it seems that good maps, especially now that we have so many gadgets to do so much, would be one of the first orders of business.

I just watched the Bee Gees do Have you seen my wife Mr. Jones..had no idea it was a mining song, but I am so bad about actually listening to words of songs. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 07:38 PM

I agree most wholeheartedly with what you said in the 2 posts that strarted off this thread, mg. Haven't had time to read the rest of it yet.

It's been a tremendously positive thing for people all across the world to witness the rescue of the miners in Chile, and the sort of thing we need to see far more often on our news programs.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 11:23 PM

One way that American ..USA American.. arrogance has got to stop is in the metric system. What if we made the best drill bits in the world and the Nigerians made the best drills..oops they don't fit. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:07 AM

It is widely acknowledged the drill bits that drilled the initial passage that supplied the miners with communication food and support were NOT from the US but designed and made in Shannon, Co Clare.

Not that it matters where the equipment came from but there you have it.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 01:37 PM

I read something came from County Clare and I previously read that drill bits came from a factory in Northern Ireland that just had to shut down for want of business. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:16 PM

Here is a story about drill bits from NorthernIreland..

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/chile-mine-rescue-how-belfast-did-its-bit-14977190.html

But now I will read about County Clare because I don't want to leave them out..perhaps there were various sets used. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:18 PM

Could it be this story about the design of the drill or maybe the drill itself?

This is from COunty Clare.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11544067


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:28 PM

Would the drill bits be diamond-tipped? I would presume so but don't know for sure.

Were tungsten mining lamps still used? mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: pdq
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:37 PM

The drill bits made in Belfast were not local technology.

The factory was run by Baker Hughes, a texas-based oilfield servive company with about 40,000 employees.

Haliburton is its main competition among US companies. Haliburton has over 50,000 employees.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:55 PM

Because I consider the condition of Haiti to be the disgrace of the western world I got to wondering just how close Haiti is to the US, if it is indeed "just a few dozen miles". Turns out it is a fair distance.

For the record: "The total distance from Miami to the island of Haiti is 681 miles that's 1,097 kilometers and 592 nautical miles.

"The distance between Miami and Port-au-Prince is 1142 km, 710 miles, 617 nm"


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 08:07 PM

115 Chinese Miners Are Saved


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 08:51 PM

An interesting article on mining from April:

A talen of two Mine Disasters


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 10:41 PM

Good news for the rescue..I was hoping it was the current problem where I think 21 or so are trapped in China...

About a month ago I think the Chinese government told managers and I think owners..can't remember exactly..that they had to go down into the mines with their workers. And there was an incident in Zambia where miners were shot by owners from China I believe for protesting conditions...mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 06:58 AM

I watched the whole rescue last week when I was away on holiday and was impressed at the Presidente constantly at the pit face. Although I can see that politically it is good publicity for him, somehow I can't see many of our Royals sticking around long if we had a similar disaster. They would probably send Prince Andrew or Anne to look around, say something patronising and then go.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 07:57 AM

One thing to note about El Presidente's presence - it might have done him a lot of good politically, but it's not a matter of improving his chances of being re-elected, because in Chile under their present constitution presidents only serve one term.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 07:58 AM

MG, didn't expect there'd be such a fuss over where the bits came from. Essentially I don't think it matters who did what, credit where credit is due though (once others start claiming to have done the job).

Here is an Irish Times article. An Taoiseach Brian Cowen publicly commended the company for their contribution on the day the miners surfaced again.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 09:26 AM

So are we all going to see the movie when it comes out? I think I would like to.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 09:50 AM

Already some of the miners are hinting at what went on below, even by only saying that what went on in the mine, will stay in the mine. A film will be out of necessity a false romanticised story.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,MG
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 04:01 PM

I am thinking of the songs that have gone through my head..

1. It's a working man I am and I've beendown in the mines and I swear to God if I ever see the sun..Rita McNeil?? Macneil?
2. How little do the great ones know who sit at home secure what hidden dangers colliers face what hardships they endure
3. Where it's dark as a dungeon and damp as the dew
4. black as the weather when we buried them together cause we couldn't tell their bones apart (from a gravestone in Black Diamond, WA, where it said morte in esplosione..5 Italian and one Slavic? names).
5. all their lives they dug their graves (this is a theme somehow in coal mining songs).

And I have wondered why we are so entranced with coal mining songs..certainly because so many of our ancestors worked in them..but I think it is more. Certainly because itis a dangeorus occupation but being a clerk in a convenience store is veryhazardous and we don't hear mnay songs..who knows. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 06:40 PM

A film will be out of necessity a false romanticised story.

The better way might be to use the material that was produced to make a powerful and moving factual documentary.

And it could make a tremenmdous opera.

Or of course something on the lines of a Radio Ballad.


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 07:05 PM

I think undoubtedly things went on that seem shameful in retrospect..but the default is to revert to our animal selves under great danger like that. The miracle is that none had to be subdued, restrained etc. that we know of. And it is probably none of our business, except to wonder how we would have behaved under the circumstances. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: How Chile rescue has changed the world
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 01:15 PM

I would say this is going to have a dramatic effect in China, where over 200 men escaped a bit collapse and I think about 30 are known dead and a few are thought perhaps to be alive. But people are speaking out, and saying why not here? Why can't you save our miners or at least ave safer areas in the mines with food and water. This is going to embolden people around the world, as well as stir up bad memories and resentment etc..and think of the little boys in China who might have seen the boy in Chile getting to reunite with his father..well, why can't they save mine? Part of the problem of course is coal is way different than gold mining..this CHina disaster had 2000 tons of coal dust plus a very high methane level...and in Africa Zambia they complained about mining conditions and some lminers were shot so that is now an international incident. Good things will come of this, but people and c ompanies do not give up power and profit easily but I think every mining company in the world is reviewing its practices and looking over its shoulders. mg


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