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Subject: chemnitzer
From: jets
Date: 27 Aug 99 - 04:48 PM

I am familiar with the anglo ,english and the duet concertina.Can anyone tell me what a chemnitzer concertina is and how it differs from the others


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Subject: RE: chemnitzer
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 27 Aug 99 - 05:04 PM

You might find answers here.

http://www.yagelski.com/sbox/index.html

--Charlie Baum, who thought this topic was about to discuss the nigguns of some Chassidic rebbe...


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Subject: RE: chemnitzer
From: jets
Date: 27 Aug 99 - 05:44 PM

Thank you C. Baum.I visited the site you indicated and found the information


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Subject: RE: chemnitzer
From: Bert
Date: 30 Aug 99 - 01:14 PM

Monstrous things aren't they. I have one in pieces in my closet right now. It's going to take a lot of TLC to get it back togeteher again.

Bert.


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Subject: Chemitzer concertina button layout
From: Artful Codger
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:53 AM

I recently purchased a big collection of concertina sheet music, only to discover that it was all written in tablature for a Chemnitzer (I play English). Took me a while to hunt down enough info to prepare a Rosetta stone for its beastly layout. In this and the next two messages I'll share the fruits of my labors.

First, the button layout. The instrument is generally divided into treble (right hand) and bass (left hand), though there is much overlap between the two sides. The treble has three long rows, arched as on an Anglo concertina. The bass has four shorter rows, similarly arched.

Chemnitzer tablature combines four different methods to label buttons:
(1) Simple numbers (0 to 18).
(2) Proximal number pairs, used on the left hand outer row: 2/3 means the outer button lying closest to buttons 2 and 3 one row in.
(3) Supplemental number pairs, used for buttons toward the top ends of rows. 2/0 (the second number is always zero) means the second button in this set, though the ordering is inconsistent between left and right sides!
(4) Special symbols, used for some of the top buttons. These symbols are "+", "*" and a circle with a slightly larger plus superimposed, like a sight with crosshairs; below, I use "+o+" as a substitute for this text-unfriendly symbol.

Note: these are just my terms, since I could find no exposition on the layout that would give "official" terms. I also refer to "+o+" as "home" because it plays the tonic of the primary key for the instrument. Published music assumes a C instrument.

Chemnitzers play different notes on the draw and pull. I have yet to make much sense of the pitch layout, and I probably won't try. It looks more like someone threw darts to decide which pitches go where.

The tablature uses a single treble staff line. The treble (right hand) button numbering is written above the staff; the bass (left hand) numbering is written below the staff, usually in a boxed area. The bare melody is duplicated on the staff in normal notation.

A draw is notated with a large circumflex over the treble side numbering (which may use dashes when only the bass plays). In bass-only runs, the draws may be notated in the bass area.

Standard tablature doesn't indicate which fingers to use.

BUTTON LAYOUT
Row order: button #, press pitch, draw pitch
L-to-R: top buttons to bottom buttons on instrument

Left hand (bass):    (outward)
         1/2    2/3    3/4    4/0    +
(btm)    AA      G       Eb      f       Bb        (top)
         D       BBb    c       C#      F#
    1       2       3       4       0       2/0
    DD      A       c       e       CC      GG
    GGG    G       B       d       f       FF
5       6       7       8       9       1/0    0/0
EE      G#      B       d       f#      F#      F
AAA    E       A       c#      e       Bb      G#
    10      11      12      13      14      3/0
    BBB    f#      a       eb      c#      C#
    EE      e       g#      B       F       C
                    (nearest palm)

Right hand (treble):                (outward)
    +       2/0    1/0    1       2       3       4       0       16
    D       g       G       F#      A       c       e       cc      ee    (btm)
    F       c       F#      G       B       d       g       f       cc
*       4/0    3/0    5       6       7       8       9       15      17
F       E       Bb      G#      B       d       f#      g#      b       ff#
D       G#      E       A       c#      e       a       cc#    bb      ff
    +o+    6/0    5/0    10      11      12      13      14      17
    C       f       c#      eb      Eb      a       cc#    dd      bb
    C#      eb      f#      Bb      g#      b       ee      dd      eeb
                                (nearest palm)


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Subject: RE: chemnitzer
From: Artful Codger
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 06:07 AM

Grr, tabbing problems with the other maps. Stay tuned!


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Subject: RE: chemnitzer
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 08:16 AM

how many keys total? They varied from about 92 to 130. I used to have a 105 key model.


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Subject: RE: Chemnitzer concertina
From: Artful Codger
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:52 PM

Bill: In my charts, reflecting the layout I found and the least common denominator used in published tablature, just 52 buttons. I've seen a layout with additional buttons (particularly filling out chromatics in the bass), but my concern is with translating tablature--particularly of music published by Henry Silberhorn of Chicago.


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Subject: Chemnitzer concertina button-to-pitch map
From: Artful Codger
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 04:56 PM

Now for the Rosetta stone: a way to translate published Chemnitzer tablature into musical pitches. This is mostly needed for the bass (left) side, since the treble side mostly just plays the melody as single notes or octaves, and the melody is provided in standard musical notation on the staff. Therefore, I put the left hand translations first.

I've ordered the map below by button names, without regard to position. First come the simple numbers, then the number pairs, then the special symbols. NOTE: the number pairs are ordered by the second number first; this results in a more rational, better grouped sequence.

I only give the most common spelling for accidental notes, with a slight bias to sharps (G-sharp rather than A-flat).

To indicate octaves I use a letter doubling scheme where case is significant:
GGG = Chemnitzer octave 1 (two octaves below the middle C octave)
CC = octave below middle C (Ch. octave 2)
C = middle C (Ch. octave 3)
c = high C (Ch. octave 4)
cc = higher C (Ch. octave 5)

Octaves run from C (low) to B (high).
NOTE: "bb" is unambiguously high B-flat (not high, high B) since the highest note on the instrument is ff#.

BUTTON-TO-PITCH MAP

-- Left hand --                -- Right hand --
Button Press   Draw            Button Press   Draw
0       CC      f               0       cc      f
1       DD      GGG             1       F#      G
2       A       G               2       A       B
3       c       B               3       c       d
4       e       d               4       e       g
5       EE      AAA             5       G#      A
6       G#      E               6       B       c#
7       B       A               7       d       e
8       d       c#             8       f#      a
9       f#      e               9       g#      cc#
10      BBB    EE             10      eb      Bb
11      f#      e               11      Eb      g#
12      a       g#             12      a       b
13      eb      B               13      cc#    ee
14      c#      F               14      dd      dd
0/0    GG      GG             15      b       bb
1/0    F#      Bb             16      ee      cc
2/0    GG      FF             17      bb      eeb
3/0    C#      C               18      ff#    ff
4/0    f       C#             1/0    G       F#
1/2    AA      D               2/0    g       c
2/3    G       BBb             3/0    Bb      E
3/4    Eb      c               4/0    E       G#
+       Bb      F#             5/0    c#      f#
                               6/0    f       eb
                               +       D       F
                               *       F       D
                               +o+    C       C#


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Subject: Chemnitzer concertina pitch-to-button map
From: Artful Codger
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 05:01 PM

See my previous messages for info on how to interpret this chart.

PITCH-TO-BUTTON MAP
            Left            Right                   Left            Right
Pitch   Press   Draw    Press   Draw    Pitch   Press   Draw    Press   Draw
GGG             1                      c       3       3/4    3       2/0
AAA             5                      c#/db   14      8       5/0    6
BBB    10                              d       8       4       7       3
CC      0                               d#/eb   13             10      6/0
DD      1                               e       4       9, 11   4       7
EE      5       10                      f       4/0    0       6/0    0
FF             2/0                     f#/gb   9, 11          8       5/0
GG      2/0                            g               4       2/0    4
AA      1/2                            g#/ab                   9       11
BB      (none)                         a               8       12      8
C               3/0    +o+             a#/bb                   17      15
C#/Db   3/0    4/0             +o+    b               12      15      12
D               1/2    +       *       cc                      0       16
D#/Eb   3/4             11             cc#/ddb                13      9
E               6       4/0    3/0    dd                      14      14
F       0/0    14      *       +       dd#/eeb                         17
F#/Gb   1/0    +       1       1/0    ee                      16      13
G               2       1/0    1       ff                              18
G#/Ab   6       0/0    5       4/0    ff#                     18
A       2       7       2       5
A#/Bb   +       1/0    3/0    10
B       7       13      6       2


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