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Subject: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 12:29 PM

I think this article, which is quite typical of how they "report" the "News" is quite illuminating.

The headline is that Wal*Mart is offering a degree to each employee. What they actually offer is a 15% discount. Since the degree is "in partnership" with the "University" I can't see how Wal*Mart will not have these degrees as a profit center.

>>>Among Benefits For Walmart Workers: A Degree

by Claudio Sanchez

November 7, 2010

Weekend Edition Sunday

Every night at 9 p.m., Walmart employee James Boskell sits down to his dining room table with a laptop to work on his college degree — courtesy of his employer.

The world's largest retailer is now offering its 1.4 million employees a college education. Through a partnership with American Public University, employees can take online courses toward a bachelor's or master's degree. And Walmart will cover up to 15 percent of tuition.

Boskell has cleared away the cats, the markers and pieces of construction paper — usually left over from one of his kid's school projects — and logged on to a couple of online courses.

"The first one is 'Foundations of Online Learning and Proficiency in Writing,'" he reads. "I'll be writing a paper probably later this evening or tomorrow."

The partnership between Walmart and APU is an exclusive deal that education experts say is worth watching, but it's employees who'll determine if the program succeeds or not.

Responding To Employees

Boskell, 36, is a zone merchandise supervisor at a Walmart in Elkton, Md. He dropped out of college 14 years ago and bounced around before taking a part-time job pushing carts and selling shoes at Walmart. Last June, when the company announced it was going to help employees sign up for college, Boskell was one of the first to jump at the chance.

"In the back of my head, it's always been there, like, 'What if you finish school?' or 'Why didn't you finish school?'" he says. "This is something to better myself." He's expecting to graduate with a degree in retail management in 2012.

Walmart isn't sure how many of its employees are as motivated as Boskell, but when it surveyed 32,000 workers — from store managers to cashiers — 70 percent liked the idea of taking college courses online, especially if it led to a four-year degree.

"We were really blown away by that statistic," says Alicia Ledlie Brew, Walmart's director for lifelong learning. "We didn't expect there to be as much acceptance with such a large population as we saw in those survey results."

"Following up on that survey, we kept hearing again and again, 'I've tried going back to school, and it's just very hard for me to make my schedule work with my family and work life,'" Brew says.

She says the feedback supported an idea that she and other top executives at Walmart had been pushing: the need to partner with an accredited, affordable online university that offered working adults a chance to further their education.

After looking at 81 schools, Walmart picked American Public University, a for-profit school based in Charleston, W.Va., best known for its work with the U.S. military.

Willing To Give It A Try

For Walmart, it was a marriage made in heaven. But for Wally Boston, president and CEO of American Public University, initially there were concerns.

"We did not want to put ourselves in a situation where our reputation for quality was damaged," Boston says. He was concerned that potentially doubling APU's enrollment might stretch its services and instructors beyond their capabilities, especially because Walmart employees tend to be older adults who are juggling work and family.

"An adult population is actually considered high-risk," Boston explains. "You can have debt issues managing your budget and those problems in life can exacerbate someone's ability to complete an academic degree — and many times leads to students dropping out."

Brew says the company is putting $50 million into this project over the next three years to make sure it succeeds. So far, only 400 Walmart employees have signed up, but the company intends to roll the project out slowly.

For Boskell, a bachelor's degree will be icing on the cake. His real education, he says, has been here on the job. In fact, APU is giving Boskell credits for the 14 years he's worked at Walmart.

"I don't expect to get 80 percent of my degree on experience credits," Boskell says, "but the time that I've put in here is valued, and that meant a lot to me."<<<


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 12:45 PM

"Walmart will cover up to 15 percent of tuition."

Wowee. Big F-in' deal.

In Cuba the government provides 100% of tuition for all levels of public school and university...to all citizens.

Socialism.

Cuba trains more doctors per capita than any other nation, and the majority of them are women. Cuba, which once was filled with the American Mafia, casinos, and prostitution, is now one of the most crime-free societies on the planet, and the Mafia are gone.

Socialism.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 01:32 PM

Walmart has questionable business practices that allows cheap Chinese goods into their store, some which have harmful chemicals.

Walmart is anti-union. It underpays its employees.

Walmart is putting "makeup on a pig" to quote Palin.

The idea is to get people into retail sales, not a valid education.

NPR is supported by wealthy funds and corporations. Their agendas prevail.

Taking Moyers and Now off the air is an example of their so-called "liberalism".


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 01:49 PM

Moyers took himself off the air. A couple of times. He retired. I think NOW never had the starpower with Brancaccio in the host role. I kept forgetting to watch it once Moyers wasn't on any more, even though I liked Brancaccio in his radio days.

I hope they next do a story about for-profit universities (they have in the past, especially since a couple are under indictment now for bad practices). Many of them are abusive of the students when it comes to pushing them to get federally backed loans and often their "credits" don't transfer anywhere: your credit only works within their system, public and private universities won't touch them.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 01:51 PM

For-profit "universities" are a rip-off. They are mostly unaccredited diploma mills that recruit unqualified students by making unrealistic promises that a degree will qualify them for a better job. Often students go deeply in debt to finance that "degree" and then find out it is worthless.

I wonder if Wal-Mart has guaranteed these employees better jobs or higher salaries once they obtain these degrees. I doubt it.

Yeah, I'd say NPR dropped the ball on this one. However, that doesn't prove they aren't liberal; it only shows they incompetently covered this one story. Normally NPR is pretty good.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 01:55 PM

Enough with this "liberal" crap, already. "Liberal" has bugger-all to do with it.

NPR is simply a bit more objective and a bit more "fair and balanced" than the standard bullshit mills that pass for newscasts on the major networks.

That alone should be universally applauded by all sides of the political spectrum.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 03:34 PM

Greg, I don't think you read the article.

It is purely a propaganda piece for Wal*Mart.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 03:51 PM

The fact is that NPR doesn't have a replacement for Moyers. This is suspicious because there are those who could do that. He may have retired or had a forced retirement.

NPR is not always "fair and balanced". It is as susceptible to propaganda as the other media outlets.

Why was NOW taken off the air? "Star power"? I don't think so.

For profit education carries with it a price tag that benefits the donor. The diploma mills
are a way of fleecing their consumers and making them ineligible to be educated members of society. Education has become a business. This is something Tom Jefferson would have not liked.

I think that it would be helpful to have a universal broader scope of education rather than just a conduit for a career. Americans for the most part have become increasingly uneducated in those subjects that elevate a society such as the arts, history, humanities,
political science or civics, anthropology, etc. Liberal Arts has developed a bad name probably because of the "liberal" designation.

Walmart is concerned with its "bottom line" and doesn't give a damn about an intelligent
society that makes up its own mind rather than buying their products.




I hope they next do a story about for-profit universities (they have in the past, especially since a couple are under indictment now for bad practices). Many of them are abusive of the students when it comes to pushing them to get federally backed loans and often their "credits" don't transfer anywhere: your credit only works within their system, public and private universities won't touch them.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 04:07 PM

Jack, I think you are giving NPR an overly bad rap on this. Goof it they did, but I've heard a fair number of stories on NPR that were anything but complimentary to Walmart. For example, many stories on treatment of employees. And a comparison between charitable contributions given by various wealthy people and the Walton family (many in the hundreds of thousand, some in the millions, the Waltons? $6,000! And they're worth billions!!).

I find NPR and its affiliates a lot more reliable that the main-stream news services.

But--one must take everything one encounters on the media with a grain of salt.

Check and re-check.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: EBarnacle
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 04:35 PM

As Jack Webb famously said, "Just the facts, ma'am." WalWart is doing something. It would be a heck of a lot better if they were going to a better college. They are not.

The problem with these degrees is not that they are unaccredited, which most of them are; it is that most of them are reminiscent of the diploma mills we are all familiar with. MAny of them give credit for having worked without attending to the quality of the work. The degrees often do not suit the recipient for anything because few organizations will accept them.

A similar situation is now going on with the American Labor College, which has created an affiliation with Phoenix University, another of the unaccredited colleges. A lot of us are quite angry because the president who pushed it through is the former president of our union. What was once valued is now devalued.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 04:57 PM

Jack, I agree that they screwed the pooch in this particular instance. I was talking of their overall record.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:00 PM

The Problem is that the headline says and the tone and content of the whole article, except for one line says that Walmart is giving away degrees when in fact all that they are offering is a 15% discount on degrees.

NPR does this often especially in their coverage of business. It is dishonest.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:02 PM

Greg if you have NPR, listen more carefully. Look for instance like this. There are plenty. When I listen to NPR on the road, I usually hear one or two every couple of days.

"MarketPlace is the worst.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Kent Davis
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:17 PM

Here's a little hint from a conservative on how liberals can avoid alienating moderates: Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

It is WONDERFUL that Wal-Mart employees have this benefit. It is not, of course, the greatest event since the creation of the world but, if you were a Wal-Mart employee, you would be glad. Aren't you glad for them?

If you want to send Wal-Mart employees to Michigan State and pay 25% of their tuition, go right ahead. No one is stopping you.

I guarantee that. if you do, Wal-Mart will not then complain because you are failed to pay 30% of their tuition to Harvard.

Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:23 PM

MarketPlace is from American Public Media, not NPR.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:31 PM

MarketPlace is from American Public Media, not NPR.

It plays on NPR stations and no where else that I know of. Its their problem is they can't sort out what to call themselves. Its all NPR to me.

Kent, I am not talking about the prefect being the enemy of the good.

If a street vendor said to you "here is a free one dollar hot dog." Then charged you 85 cents, you would call him a liar.

If Wal*Mart was saying it was giving free merchandise to its employees then charging them 85% you would say it was a lie.

Saying that Wal*Mart is giving degrees as a benefit is a lie. Plain and simple, it is a lie.

Its a lie. Worse than that its a lie disguised as factual reporting.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: curmudgeon
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 07:19 PM

"Through a partnership with American Public University, employees can take online courses toward a bachelor's or master's degree. And Walmart will cover up to 15 percent of tuition."

Where's the lie?


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 07:22 PM

>>Among Benefits For Walmart Workers: A Degree<<

The benefit is 15% of a degree.

15% percent of a degree is not a degree.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 07:24 PM

I think he's objecting to a story about WalMart that shows a minor perk in the company offerings. It's not the best choice they could make, but it is a start. They'd do better to pay their people better and let them choose a good local school with credentials.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 07:32 PM

I am objecting that NPR is saying that it is a MAJOR perk.

>>The world's largest retailer is now offering its 1.4 million employees a college education.<<

They are offering a 15% DISCOUNT ON A COLLEGE EDUCATION.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 07:35 PM

Maybe Juan Williams is chipping in a matching grant!


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Kent Davis
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 08:21 PM

Oh, I get it now. I'm very sorry. I see now what you were complaining about. You are correct that the story was not well-worded in that respect. Again: my apologies.

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 08:25 PM

Public radio stations buy content from PRI, APM. BBC and, yes, NPR. NPR owns and operates no radio stations.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 08:39 PM

Exactly, Art. My local "NPR affiliate" (KUOW-FM) is not just an "affiliate" of NPR. They get programming content from a number of news services, from American Public Radio, the BBC, and several others, including Minnesota Public Radio. AND they do some really great local programming. Steve Sher, Marcie Silman, and Ross Reynolds are some of the best interviewers there are in the business.

And Scott Simon on Weekend Edition Saturday is as good as they get.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: DougR
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 12:24 AM

Right, Jack, and pigs can fly.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 11:50 AM

In the cargo hold.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 01:11 PM

YO, DOUGGIE:

Can you tell us how that erudite comment about pigs is relevant to the discussion and precisely what you intend it to mean?


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 01:28 PM

BS: NPR is NOT liberal
Right, Jack, and pigs can fly.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 02:42 PM

This is what I said to the author of the article.

Among Benefits For Walmart Workers: A Degree
by Claudio Sanchez
The world's largest retailer is now offering its 1.4 million employees a college education.
And Walmart will cover up to 15 percent of tuition.

If a street vendor told you he was going to give you a free $1 hot dog then charged you 85 cents for it wouldn't you feel cheated?

This sort of headline combined with this sort of coverage is my top complaint with NPR "News." The headline seems like a misleading ad for Wal*Mart's PR department with a single line of fine print.


The only benefit mentioned in the article is a 15% rebate for tuition. Acording to your article Wal*Mart is NOT offering degrees as benefits. I am sure you are aware that many listen to your broadcasts while driving and that the headlines are often repeated much more than the bodies of the stories.

What you do in these stories seems cynical and misleading to me. Please tell me where I have this wrong. On the bright side. It is one more proof that NPR is in no way "liberal" media.

Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:09:01 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 05:47 PM

I have to correct myself. Bill Moyers was on PBS not NPR. I got the two confused but the reason for that is that they both have turned corporate and taken a turn to the "Right".


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: DougR
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 04:46 PM

Greg: as usual you are being obtuse (look it up).

The title of this thread is "NPR is NOT liberal".
My reply to that is, "and pigs can fly."

What part of that don't you understand?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 07:25 PM

You're being pretty obtuse Doug. I told him that in the following post.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 11:31 PM

It seems to me, as a liberal according to Webster if not according to Beck, that the lefties think NPR is a right-wing mouthpiece and the righties thing it is way out in left field. Logically then, it is pretty much in the center, which is where I have always envisioned it.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 01:54 AM

Bingo!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 08:59 AM

Logically then, it is pretty much in the center, which is where I have always envisioned it.

As I said, above, in spite of Douggie's Delusions.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 09:08 AM

But then, of course, anything to the "left" of Mussolini or Attila the Hun is "liberal" in Douggies skewed cosmos.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 10:27 AM

Art seem to have it correct. Anything which angers both sides can be considered evenhanded.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 11:15 AM

>>It seems to me, as a liberal according to Webster if not according to Beck, that the lefties think NPR is a right-wing mouthpiece and the righties thing it is way out in left field. Logically then, it is pretty much in the center, which is where I have always envisioned it.

Art seem to have it correct. Anything which angers both sides can be considered evenhanded.
<<

You know that the whole concept of left and right in this country is horseshit right?

You know that the whole concept of a "Liberal biased" media in this country is horseshit right? I was thinking that this article would be further proof of that.

So here we have an article, praising Wal*Mart for giving a free benefit of a College Degree, Praise, praise praise, with a single line saying that the benefit is a 15% discount.

You have to ask your self "would any kind of a liberal, a dictionary liberal or a Hannity liberal publish such an obvious and dishonest PR piece for Wal*Mart.

If your answer is "no" then you either have to concluded that the Bias is corporate, or that the bias is Wal*Mart only.

A liberal slant on the piece would be Wal*Mart offers 15% discount and tries to convince gullible reporter that they are giving their employees degrees.

A further issue with this story is that it is not news. Wal*Mart announced the program months ago. The only new thing is the interview with the man pictured. It is nothing but falsely presented PR for Wal*Mart.

I have nothing against Wal*Mart. I simply do not believe that they or commercial deals they have made with private Universities in any way left wing causes. I do see how they might want the positive publicity this time of year as the Christmas shopping season is starting.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 12:07 PM

I have nothing against Wal*Mart.

No? You should.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 12:25 PM

Wal*Mart provides efficient distribution which keeps prices down. Most of their goods come from overseas because of poor policies enacted by Congress. I wish that were not the Case. Rubermaid, for example should still be made in Ohio.

I am a conservative by any sane definition of the word. But I don't think the radical folks behind the GOP/Tea Party/Big Money/"conservative" talk radio alliance are good for the country. So that makes me a "liberal" in the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 12:27 PM

I actually believe in free markets. The GOP/Tea Party/Big Money/"conservative" talk radio alliance does not. They believe in corporate welfare, increasingly for international corporate welfare at US taxpayer expense.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 01:08 PM

Walwart has created feedback loops which are dangerous to our economy. They destroy small businesses because they cannot compete with WW's purchasing power. They force companies to cut their prices to the point where they either cannot make a fair profit. If the companies do not comply, the jobs are sent to China. They abuse their staff and inhouse contractors. To paraphrase Tolkein, the list goes ever on. They are not good for our economy.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 10:58 AM

Do not delude yourself about company-paid tuition assistance. It's there to benefit the company, not the employee. Many companies offer very generous tuition assistance, but their goal is to retain employees and enhance employee value to the company, not to help the employee become a more educated, well-rounded person. If they don't offer tuition assistance, employees are more likely to quit work, enroll as full-time students, and go to work for someone else upon graduation. Companies hate it when that happens.

The "generosity" of a company's tuition assistance program is a reflection of how much they care whether or not someone stays on the payroll. The fact that Walmart only offers 15% assistance means they consider their employees to be 85% expendable. If they really cared whether or not their employees stayed on the payroll, they'd up the ante.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 11:02 AM

That's a pretty good point Bee-dub Why isn't there a story about all the other companies that offer assistance. NPR is sacrificing its reputation for news to help a sponsor.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 11:27 AM

The words "Among Benefits For Walmart Workers: A Degree" appear nowhere in the NPR article. It isn't unusual for headline writers to not bother ensuring that what they write accurately reflects the article itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 11:33 AM

>>The world's largest retailer is now offering its 1.4 million employees a college education.<< Does appear.


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: pdq
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 11:38 AM

" Cuba trains more doctors per capita than any other nation, and the majority of them are women. Cuba, which once was filled with the American Mafia, casinos, and prostitution, is now one of the most crime-free societies on the planet, and the Mafia are gone.

Socialism.
"   ~    Birdfeathers


" Moving to the homicide data, we recall that America is often said to have the highest homicide rate of any "civilized," "Western," "industrialized," or "advanced" nation. Do those who make such claims believe that Mexico is uncivilized, Brazil is not in the Western Hemisphere, Russia is not industrialized, or Ukraine is retarded?

Looking at the homicide figures, we again wonder about accuracy. Are "political" killings (by the government or rebels) in Northern Ireland, Egypt, Israel, Guatemala, Peru, China, and elsewhere listed as homicides, listed separately, or concealed? We must admit that the U.S. has a higher homicide rate than any Western European nation. Still, 23 nations admit to higher rates: Armenia, Bahamas, Belarus, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Mexico, Moldova, Paraguay, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Russia, Sao Tome, Tajikistan, Trinidad, Ukraine, and Venezuela. Using the 1997 U.S. homicide rate of 7.3, Azerbaijan and Cuba also have higher rates. Nine nations (ten using the 1997 figures) including Russia have both higher suicide and higher homicide rates. "

~ David C. Stolinsky, MD


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Subject: RE: BS: NPR is NOT liberal
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 12:38 PM

Mexico is uncivilized, Brazil is not in the Western Hemisphere, Russia is not industrialized, or Ukraine is retarded

No, in 1997...

Mexico was not industrialized or advanced
Russia was not considered Western
Brazil was not advanced
Ukraine was not Western or advanced.

The question that Americans should ask themselves is why can't the greatest country in the history of the world do as well as Norway or France?

And by the way thank you for the 13 year old argument which had little to do with Cuba. It really sheds some light on the passage you quoted.


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