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BS: Canada - India free trade

gnu 12 Nov 10 - 07:05 AM
GUEST,bankley 12 Nov 10 - 03:27 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 Nov 10 - 04:15 PM
Ed T 12 Nov 10 - 04:39 PM
Jack the Sailor 12 Nov 10 - 04:46 PM
Ed T 12 Nov 10 - 05:46 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 Nov 10 - 05:51 PM
gnu 12 Nov 10 - 06:37 PM
gnu 12 Nov 10 - 07:05 PM
ollaimh 12 Nov 10 - 08:36 PM
GUEST,bankley 13 Nov 10 - 08:44 AM
Ed T 13 Nov 10 - 09:20 AM
Jack the Sailor 13 Nov 10 - 11:18 AM
GUEST,bankley 13 Nov 10 - 11:22 AM
Ed T 13 Nov 10 - 12:52 PM
Jack the Sailor 13 Nov 10 - 12:59 PM
gnu 13 Nov 10 - 01:20 PM
Jack the Sailor 13 Nov 10 - 01:34 PM
gnu 13 Nov 10 - 01:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 Nov 10 - 04:08 PM
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Subject: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 07:05 AM

Here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 03:27 PM

so along with agreements with USA, Mexico, Israel, Costa Rica, Chile and Columbia (the worst union busting country in S.America), and an impending deal with the EU.. here comes India.. it will likely cost us more manufacturing jobs.. but the globalists are happy


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 04:15 PM

The alternative is to turn inward- no longer possible as the world loses social and economic boundaries.

Seldom discussed is the fact that it is the low-paying labor-intensive jobs such as clothing and textiles that are lost.
Industries have lost many jobs in steel other heavy industry, but they are jobs that have vanished as automation more and more takes the place of the workforce.
An example can be seen in Gary, Indiana, where abandoned businesses and homes are crumbling into the ground. One of the industries that was a major source of jobs was the steel mill. The mill is still there, but with few workers doing the same job, as operations became automated.
The workers have become surplus, and must be trained for something else- or go on welfare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 04:39 PM

Almost everything comes from China now. Why not open it up to India?

They are nice people,with a similar belief to democracy as Canada, as opposed to China. It is a friendly country with a massive population, who needs foreign investment in their workforce and technology. When the chips are down, I suspect India would be a more friendly partner than China. Correct me if I am wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 04:46 PM

You say that now. Until CTV news is outsourced to Mumbai.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 05:46 PM

I am not sure if outsourcing CTV News would hurt it that much.
It could be outsourced from Toronto, down the road to Indian dominated Brampton.

And,BTW, Indian grub is really good.(Even in Moncton (Taj Mahal)
We need more of that Indian buffet grub.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 05:51 PM

Had some excellent butter chicken last week. Good Indian restaurants here (Calgary).


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 06:37 PM

I was on a hydraulics course in TO about 5 years ago. I struck up a friendship with an Indian lad and we got a whack of grub for a group of us. He got the "mild" stuff for us Canucks from Down East. I could not eat any of it. Then again, I am a good old country boy whose tolerance for spices stops at onions and a pinch of summer savory in a partridge stew... can't get much more bland than that. Other than that, the wildest I get is salt and pepper. Or the odd pizza from Vito's... even then...


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 07:05 PM

Q... your steel mill "story" is a good eg. As an engineer 30 years ago I relied on a half dozen techs to do details, spec writers to write specs, clerical and secretary staff to...

Then, PCs came... and, to a great extent, I could write my own specs, do my own drawings, etcetera, faster, without most the staff. Now, with this advent of technology and globalization, the large global engineering companies can(have) eliminate(d) me locally. Only those top local engineers in the good old boy's network were (are) safe. I have lost my liveliehood due to technology. My retirement is... well... gone. Either I move thousands of miles and take on a job I know little about or it's... good morning, welcome to

That's true for a lot of peeps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: ollaimh
Date: 12 Nov 10 - 08:36 PM

i love indian food,the hotter the better. i like it hot enough to make your scalp sweat--then your almost high likea drug. better than a sauna for the constitution.

free trade? they already have abooming internet tech support sector that we already use. it could threaten manufacturing jobs but it coud also facilitate hi tech indo/canadian ventures. there are a lot of well educated indians in canda happy to do indo/canadian ventures here. most i know prefer to live here so are happy to bring projects to canada.

time will tell but my hope is we actually get tech jobs that are better than the maufacturing and get further from our reliance on exports to the usa. the americans may be sinking for quite a few more years and could take us down with them if we don't find foreign alternatives.

i point out that this was one of th five points that were the foundation of the liberal party doctrine for the future from 1963. to take controll of our own ecomomy and seek "third option" trade to increasr our independence from any one nation.

walter gordons first budget aimed at this was unfortunately howled down by the media nad business people who werre are are too tied to the us. so maybe after all these years this will be a boon


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 08:44 AM

Harper does Bollywood... I can see it now,
featuring McKay as the warlord of Upper Canuckistan



"Canada does not have a sovereign economy" the PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 09:20 AM

Some background:

news article


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 11:18 AM

"Canada does not have a sovereign economy" the PM

That has always been true, first as a satellite of Europe, then of the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 11:22 AM

but there was a time when we were sovereign...

I believe it was before Jacques Cartier landed


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 12:52 PM

I am rather inclined to believe that this is the land God gave to Cain.Jacques Cartier
Referring to what would be called "Canada"


We shall be Canadians first, foremost, and always, and our policies will be decided in Canada and not dictated by any other country.
John G. Diefenbaker

What is a Canadian? A Canadian is a fellow wearing English tweeds, a Hong Kong shirt and Spanish shoes, who sips Brazilian coffee sweetened with Philippine sugar from a Bavarian cup while nibbling Swiss cheese, sitting at a Danish desk over a Persian rug, after coming home in a German car from an Italian movie... and then writes his Member of Parliament with a Japanese ballpoint pen on French paper, demanding that he do something about foreigners taking away our Canadian jobs.
Anonymous


I just think you Westerners should take over this country if you are so smart.Pierre Elliott Trudeau


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 12:59 PM

This Canadian, the year he left preferred Alberta beef, Canadian Cheddar and there was a sticker in the doorway of his car saying "Made in Windsor."


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 01:20 PM

Well, they're burning the midnight oil in Bombay. Bell bought Aliant (Atlantic Provinces phone company) and became Bell-Aliant. Just offered me a free cell phone for $30 a month. The same company that axed a buddy of mine on 3 months notice not too long ago. Same company that changed their policy about pay-as-you go cell service, did not inform me of the change, axed internet service for my cell, took forever to contact by phone, and, when I finally got them on the line, in India, was told it would cost me $50 to re-activate.

Anyone wanna buy my $15 Bell-Aliant pay-as-you-get-screwed cell minutes?

And, don't construe this post as a slight or an opinion about free trade with India. It is what it is... a rant with trying to be a bit lighthearted about getting screwed.

I think Stevie should talk with Pakistan. I am tired of paying $6 for cotton t-shirts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 01:34 PM

Gnu

Before I move here I thought that sort of thing was a property of Canadian phone companies. I have since found that by comparison, the Canadian companies are fair and reasonable.

Verison and AT&T are a nightmare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 01:53 PM

Aliant WAS. Now, Aliant is Bell... rhymes with hell. Nothing to do with India though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 04:08 PM

BCE subsidiaries are Bell Aliant Regional Communications Income Fund, Bell Aliant and Bell Canada. Bell Aliant includes Northern Tel, WAVE, KMTS, Telebec and Cablevision.
It is Canada's major communications group.

Nothing to do with India.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 04:17 PM

Q... Thank goodness we have Rogers to balance out the comm competition and provide affordable, secure and safe services for the consumer. Such a comfort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Canada - India free trade
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 05:24 PM

Microsoft, and British Telecom have interests in Rogers Communications, which in turn owns Hunter-Maclean Publications, Microcell and the Toronto Blue Jays, the Skydome (Rogers Centre?), and CITYtv stations across Canada.

CEO Nadir Mohammed, born in Tanzania, Ismaili Muslim, has been written up in Bloomberg Business Week as one of the World's most successful immigrants, holds a degree from UBC, joined Rogers in 2000.


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