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Subject: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: ragdall
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 05:19 PM

I bought a computer for working with my photos. It runs on Win. 7 - 64 bit. It will not be connected to the Internet at all, as I have other computers (Win XP) that are online. This computer is not anywhere near a connection.

I'd like to continue to use my HP 842C printer. I tried installing the disc that came with the printer. It won't accept it. Apparently there is a driver online that will allow me to use this printer with Win 7 but obtaining it requires that I connect the Win 7 machine to the Internet while it upgrades drivers.

Does anyone here know of a way that I could download the file to my XP machine so that I can transfer it to the Win 7 machine with a portable drive?   

I know that compatible printers are reasonably priced, but I have over $100 in spare ink cartridges for this printer and really, it still does a great job.

Thanks,
rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 06:01 PM

Hi, Rags -
I see what you mean. Most HP printer drivers are downloadable, but not this one.
I wonder if Win7 will have a built-in driver for your printer. Hit "start," and then select "devices and printers." Select "add printer" and see if Win7 will let you install that way.
The 800-series HP printers were the last really good printers HP made. I can see why you don't want to give it up.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 06:38 PM

Cant you connect it On Line long enough to do the download and then move it back where it will live ?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 08:52 PM

The HP drivers site indicates that a Win7 driver is available from Microsoft but is apparently not on the installation disk(s) and must be downloaded from Microsoft via "Windows Update." This (according to HP) requires an internet connection during installation of the printer, and the updater looks for "anything that needs a driver" and downloads it as part of the update.

HP also appears to say that the Win7 driver supports only "basic printing" and that most of the fancy features on the printer won't work with any available driver. There does NOT APPEAR to be a full-function driver for this printer for connection to a Win7 computer.

Option 1, if you can confirm that the driver is a download from Microsoft, would be to go directly to Microsoft rather than to HP. Microsoft is better(?) at providing "service downloads" that allow you to download an installer to use on multiple machines. If you can get the "whole kit" downloaded to your internet connected machine, you could move the installer/driver via a flash drive or external HD from one computer to another. This may take some research with Microsoft.

Option 2 would be to look for another (fairly cheap?) printer that does have a full-function Win7 driver that uses the same ink cartridges you have. Your cartridges are likely "older styles" so it may not be possible to find a current printer that still uses them, but they're not really anything "special." Since the printer only has one black and one color cartridge, it's unlikely it's what is now considered a "photo quality" printer, but you'll have to look at your options to see if this is a reasonable thing to do.

Your ink cartridges may show what printers they work with on the packaging - or not. If it's not on the packaging, the display at any local retailer may give you some clues.

Since any of my 5 printers are about $70 - $140 for a single full "refill" the hundred dollars worth of ink sounds pretty trivial, although your usage may make it more significant to you. The newer printers, if you get one of the slightly better lines, use much less ink, with per page costs comparable to b/w lasers, so an upgrade may save you more than your $100 over the life of a "fairly good" replacement printer, although it can be hard to get the numbers before you buy. The cheapest printers continue to be "the printer's free but we'll get ya on the ink."

As a side note, you should look at the HP Product Recall for this printer. Some, but not all, power cords used on it have been recalled and you might be able to get a free replacement.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 08:52 PM

If you have a USB thumb drive, just download it and copy it over....if not, you need one anyway...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: ragdall
Date: 13 Nov 10 - 11:33 PM

Hit "start," and then select "devices and printers." Select "add printer" and see if Win7 will let you install that way.

Thanks, Joe. I tried that before posting. It won't let me do it.
I thought maybe I could install one of the printers in the list that comes with Win 7, if I could find something similar, but it won't let me do that, either, unless I go online. I've had luck in the past telling a computer that a printer was something that it recognized not what it was.

I wonder what people do who buy a computer for home use and don't have an Internet connection?

Bill D,
Thanks for the suggestion. I have portable drives ranging from 1 GB to 1 TB. It was my intention to use one as you describe. Unfortunately, the way it's set up, the printer and computer must be together and the computer must be online.

John,
Thank you for taking time to type such a detailed response. I'll try to find drivers on Microsoft.

It's a good printer. I'd like to keep using it. "Basic printing" will probably be fine. I don't know what a fancy feature on this printer would be? It pulls paper through and prints in black or colour. I have two black ink cartridges and one colour, unopened, plus two relatively recent cartridges in the printer.

Thanks for the information about the cord recall. I checked the power cord, mine is not one that is recalled.

Cant you connect it On Line long enough to do the download and then move it back where it will live ?


Guest,
Eventually I may give in and do that. For now, it will be easier to copy files to a flash drive, load them on my XP machine and print from there. Today when my grandchildren wanted to print their artwork, I moved it to the XP.

Thank you very much, everyone who responded.

I'll keep working at this, as well as now trying to find out why the keyboard types " when I use the shift and > I put an old keyboard on the new machine for now, that one works fine. Next I'll try the new keyboard on my old computer. I think I'm on my way to becoming a computer hater.

rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 12:01 AM

There may be some help at Microsoft's Find and Install Printer Drivers.

If you scroll down, there's a video clip for "manual installation." Since I don't have a Win7 to look at I didn't probe into how helpful it is.

A Microsoft.com search for HP Printer Drivers "compatible with Win7" finds only THREE HP PRINTERS that Microsoft says are fully compatible. Others - like yours - may be able to use a "generic driver" to do some basic functions, but my experience with that workaround has been somewhat less than satisfactory.

Any chance of swapping an XP that has the driver to the offline use and putting the Win7 on the net as the replacement? "Improved browsing security" is one of the big brags for Win7.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: open mike
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 12:12 AM

just an aside...do you know that it is possible to operate a printer wirelessly? (not sure , but think it needs to be connected to a wireless modem type device in order to send a signal to it.) from HP:
Wi-Fi printing is fast and has a long range of approximately 300 feet.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 12:41 AM

""Improved browsing security" is one of the big brags for Win7."

Ho! Ho! Ho! (Well, the shops think it is nearly Xmas!)

So that explains why the damn thing locks up for several minutes at a time and won't even respond to the old "Vulcan Nerve Pinch"? ... and why do I need to hit the "" and '' keys twice to get anything showing, and then I get two of them!!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: ragdall
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 02:17 AM

Any chance of swapping an XP that has the driver to the offline use and putting the Win7 on the net as the replacement?

John,
No chance until after I finish my photo project which could take a few months. I want to keep this one "clean" and also don't want the distractions that being online brings. Thank you for the additional suggestions.

do you know that it is possible to operate a printer wirelessly?
open mike,
Yes, I've seen wireless printers at Staples. The one I have isn't wireless. It's just Win 7 - 64 bit driverless.


So that explains why the damn thing locks up for several minutes at a time and won't even respond...
Foolestroupe,
Yet another reason to keep mine offline?

Thanks again, everyone.

rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 04:01 AM

When I suggested swapping the computers, I meant that the WinXP computer would be off the net and could do your photo job without the internet, and the Win7 could replace it as a net browser if you need to replace the Internet "seat" where the XP was before.

You apparently already have a WinXP driver for the printer you want to use. But of course you may have something else on the Win7 computer that you need for the photo job (????).

You may already have considered doing the photo editing job on the Win7 machine and then copying your finished image files back to a WinXP machine to print(?). If printing is all you do at that step, there should be minimal exposure to the internet distractions just while you print.

There are lots of "workaround" compromises that could be used, but of course none will be as convenient as having it all set up and working at a single station.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 06:18 AM

""I'll keep working at this, as well as now trying to find out why the keyboard types " when I use the shift and >""

This is usually due to having the wrong language in use i.e. US English on a UK keyboard, or vice versa.

A trip to Control panel, and an appropriate change may sort it.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 07:10 AM

OK Don, there are 2 possibilities for Australian keyboards... US International & US - tried the other one...

Probably won't do anything till I reboot - if that doesn't work, I'll probably go back to the other other one anyway.... :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: ragdall
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 05:39 PM

John,
I appreciate all the help and suggestions you've given me for finding drivers for the old printer. I'll follow up on it during the week, when there are no grandchildren around. If I can't print from the new machine for now, I'll survive. As you said, I can always carry files on a small drive to print through the XP as long as it's still working.   

I bought the Win 7 machine because in spite of my efforts to reformat, etc., my XP has been struggling, coughing and sputtering for a while and I suspect it's wearing out. The Win 7 has a faster processor, more RAM and a much larger hard drive. It also has USB 2 Ports. I have thousands of photos on large external drives which run best on USB 2. The USB 1 ports on the Win XP are frustrating to work with. I tried adding a card and USB ports to the Win XP machine, but my external drives complain that they are not really USB 2.

Don,
It's a "Canadian keyboard" that looks as if it belongs on laptop. (There are extra blue letter/symbols on the keys and the keys are positioned too close together for comfort.) It was set for Canadian English. Before I posted I tried changing the language to US English. It didn't help. I didn't try to reboot after the change though? It works "normally" on my Win X machine and my old keyboard works fine on the Win 7 so I think I may just stick with that arrangement for now.

Thanks,
rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 06:06 PM

I wonder what people do who buy a computer for home use and don't have an Internet connection?

They get bit in the ass by Microsoft, just like you have been. One of the major joys of WIN 7 is having to replace all your peripherals.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 06:13 PM

I got a new machine with WIN7 as an option... I chose to keep the installed version of XP, with the 7 disk in a drawer..just in case.

I do not LIKE the changes that require new peripherals and refuse to run some of my old programs.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 07:01 PM

I gather that lots of the compatibility problems are tied to the fact that 64-bit Windows 7 is the usual operating system installed on new computers - I don't know that I've seen any new computers with 32-bit Windows 7, although that operating system is also available. My biggest problem has been the loss of a perfectly good Canon scanner, because there's no 64-bit driver for it.

Oh - and I have to use DOSBOX to run the Digital Tradition, while it ran much better in a DOS window in 32-bit Windows Vista.

Otherwise, I'm quite satisfied with 64-bit Win7.

Still, I think it was a mistake for Microsoft to tout the compatibility of Win 7 and then fail to include the compatibility package with Windows 7 "Premium" = it's only available only in the "Business" version of the operating system, and there's no guarantee the upgrade would run my beloved scanner, either.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: ragdall
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 08:28 PM

Joe,
I lost the use of my beloved large screen scanner, which ran on Win 95 and 98, when I bought the XP machine so I was aware that I may have some problems with 7. It hurts to lose the use of something we love. It's also a terrible waste to have to throw away something that still works just fine. Someone needs to go after Microsoft about the obsolescence they create whenever they introduce a "new" operating system.

They get bit in the ass by Microsoft, just like you have been. One of the major joys of WIN 7 is having to replace all your peripherals.

Greg F.
I'm wondering now what else I normally use that will not work with the new machine. It came with a monitor. The old keyboard works. If it won't accept my external drives, I'll really be hooped. I need to find out before the 90 days expires and I can't take it back. (adding "checking the drives" to Monday's To Do list.)

rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Nov 10 - 08:40 PM

"don't know that I've seen any new computers with 32-bit Windows 7"

My brand new (July - supposedly 64 bit) Toshiba V120 chip came with 32 bit W*amkerOs installed.

I changed the keyboard to US and the "" " madness still continues. Seem to remember that stupidity on Win 98, but I forget the magic incantation to make it go away....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 05:32 PM

Ragdall, if you have that keyboard on your old computer with XP, you should be able to choose between 13 different English settings, including Australian and UK.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 05:38 PM

Sorry, slip of the mouse.

Try Start, Control panel, Regional and language options, Advanced.

In the upper drop down menu you can take your choice of anything from Afrikaans to Zulu, including the aforementioned 13 English options from Australian to Zimbabwe English.

Somewhere in there................Hopefully

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: ragdall
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 06:52 PM

I was able to download a driver for an "All in One" from HP to a flash disk. It was 362 MB. HP claimed that it contained drivers for DeskJets as well as All in Ones. I was able to install my husband's All in One (Printer/scanner/copier) on the Win 7. Win 7 still won't recognize my DeskJet. This is not the end of the world. I have other options. It's now in the category of being a "challenge".

Ragdall, if you have that keyboard on your old computer with XP, you should be able to choose between 13 different English settings, including Australian and UK.

Don T,
I believe that it's Foolestroupe who needs help with the Aussie settings.

My "Win 7" keyboard worked fine on the XP, without having to change anything. When I'm feeling less stressed I'll try it again on the Win 7. At the time that I couldn't get it to type the "<" so I could code an html page, changing from Canadian English to to US English didn't solve the problem. For now, I'm using an old keyboard on the Win 7 and that one works just fine.

Thanks,
rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 06:59 PM

A possible keyboard difficulty is that some keyboards are "wired" a bit differently depending on where they're intended to be used.

It's necessary to choose a setting for the correct keyboard.

Since you can also choose a whole bunch of different languages, you also need to make sure that the language you choose agrees with the keyboard you choose and that both language and keyboard are compatible with the hardware you have and, hopefully, with the language you want to use.

Then you need to be reasonably careful not to spout coffee (or beer) on the keyboard, or let the bits fall in between (or under) the keys when your cookie crumbles.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Nov 10 - 07:16 PM

I have a Toshiba laptop.

Don - been there, done that.

The US International seems to be the one - for the moment...now if I can just stop the cpu from running at 100% all the time, it might become usable again - was fine till the last "essential update' from MS...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 Nov 10 - 02:02 AM

Foolestroupe -

If your laptop is running Vista (and maybe if it's Win7?) your processor will run at around 100% for the first month or so while Win Explorer "indexes" the drive "so you'll be able to search faster."

It took about 3 months (on 24/7) for my first Vista machine to "finish indexing C:\" (with about 185GB on it at the time) and it "updates" every time you save something.

You can change the default to not index, but if you do it has to "unindex" the whole drive, which will saturate your processor for about as long as it took to index it. Every file on an indexed drive/folder apparently has to be "tagged" to show that it's included in the index, or "untagged" if you change to not index.

The sad part of it is that Vista Search doesn't work at all so far as I can determine. I can copy a file name from Win Explorer and paste it into the search box, search only in the folder that the file is in, and Vista can't find it - but it will return 5,000 files totally unrelated to anything I told it find, even if the folder it claims to be searching in only has 800 files in it.

If I need to find a file, I use command prompt - DIR *.* /S > DIRC.txt - and open the text file (all 2,800 pages for one of my main folders) in Word, and use the Find in Word to get where the file is. It's quicker than the 3 or 4 hours Vista Search takes on the indexed drive to NOT FIND anything useful. It takes a lot longer on one of my unindexed drives, but it still doesn't find anything helpful.

There are a few other "background processes" that can eat a lot of cycles, but that's the most consistently annoying one I've found.

I have noticed that my last update of my Norton Suite has added a feature that notifies me if processor usage goes extremely high. It appears to trigger at about 95% in a single process. I suspect that's to help identify if a bot is using your machine to send SPAM, or something like that. The notice is "ineresting" but thus far it's always been my OCR program that's the cycle hog - and I already knew that. (The OCR is incredibly accurate, but the user interface appears to have been designed by some third grade class at a public school in a disadvantaged neighborhood that didn't have computers.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Nov 10 - 03:07 AM

JiK

Win 7 madness ...

The cpu usage (usually) drops to 'expected normal' when I unplug the 100mbs Lan port ... :-)

I reindexed the drive - left it overnight and this morning cpu usage was low - till I plugged the Lan in ... :-)

Damned if I can search for & find even files on the desktop I am looking at ... !!!

Re 3rd grade computers !!! do you remember that thing for kids back in the 70s which was an 'educational game' for them that simulated the internal workings of the computer running an assembly language program. Kids with pieces of paper with scribbles of numbers on them, running around the room pretending to change contents of registers, move data to and from ram, etc? :-) Can't remember if it came from Byte mag, or one of the other even more esoteric mags i read at the time ...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 Nov 10 - 04:00 AM

I don't really remember that game although I've heard it described - a long time ago.

When I was in college, the dean of the electrical engineering department visited my circuits and signals class to deliver a lecture on "computers." He "proved conclusively" that it was (at that time) impossible to make a practical computer using those newfangled "transistors" and predicted it would be about ten years before something "similar to ENIAC" would be built "with any of them $@##! things in it." I think his prediction was probably off by about 3 years.

It was more than 20 years later before I bought my first computer, and when I got it unwrapped it was about 2 generations more advanced than anything at "Enormous Airplane Co" where I was working - and they wouldn't let me use any of their stuff at the office.

I got into it after computers were fairly advanced, with an AT and DOS 3.5, a 1MB add-on RAM board, and TWO 30MB hard drives. (All for about $9,000, about 1/3 of my absurdly inflated annual salary. Intellectual curiosity was really expensive back then.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Nov 10 - 07:32 AM

Ha! uninstalled some unexpected and unknown "Norton Internet Backup garbage" - usage dropped, then the indexer kicked in again...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Printer driver for offline computer?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Nov 10 - 08:39 AM

I just fixed the 100% cpu utilization and the large amount of traffic on the ADSL link. I did a factory modem reset and changed the default modem password, and now everything is cool - less than 10% cpu - minimal background ADSL traffic. Instant response to reactivating the screen saver.

Oh - The default ip address for the LAN had been changed into the 192 range from the 10 rage too... which is why I could not talk to the modem anymore....

Still a large amount of traffic trying hammer its way in though....

Definitely something cleared out. Don't care if you are a 'believer' in this 'modem virus stuff' or not - I'm a pragmatist!


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