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BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations

SylviaN 17 Nov 10 - 03:54 PM
GUEST,Adam Smith 17 Nov 10 - 04:01 PM
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Folknacious 17 Nov 10 - 04:13 PM
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Lizzie Cornish 1 18 Nov 10 - 03:17 AM
evansakes 18 Nov 10 - 03:20 AM
mattkeen 18 Nov 10 - 04:15 AM
GUEST,Adam Smith 18 Nov 10 - 04:27 AM
Wolfhound person 18 Nov 10 - 05:59 AM
theleveller 18 Nov 10 - 06:12 AM
jennyr 18 Nov 10 - 06:33 AM
GUEST,Jim Knowledge 18 Nov 10 - 06:36 AM
SteveMansfield 18 Nov 10 - 07:12 AM
nutty 18 Nov 10 - 07:26 AM
GUEST,Geoff Wright 18 Nov 10 - 07:53 AM
GUEST 18 Nov 10 - 09:47 AM
GUEST,Rich 25 Nov 10 - 08:26 AM
GUEST,FloraG 25 Nov 10 - 10:18 AM
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Silas 18 Jan 11 - 12:24 PM
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tritoneman 18 Jan 11 - 03:25 PM
GUEST,Ralphie 18 Jan 11 - 04:41 PM
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Linda Kelly 18 Jan 11 - 06:17 PM
Andy Jackson 18 Jan 11 - 06:25 PM
GUEST,Guest Betsy 18 Jan 11 - 07:41 PM
theleveller 19 Jan 11 - 03:13 AM
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Subject: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: SylviaN
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 03:54 PM

Here they are, fresh off the press:

BBC RADIO 2 FOLK AWARDS 2011 NOMINATIONS

FOLK SINGER OF THE YEAR
Chris Wood
Heidi Talbot
Jon Boden
Kris Drever

BEST DUO
Chris While & Julie Matthews
Eliza Carthy & Norma Waterson
Megson
Nancy Kerr & James Fagan

BEST GROUP
Bellowhead
Breabach
Coope Boyes & Simpson
Fisherman's Friends

BEST ALBUM
As If - Coope Boyes & Simpson
Gift - Eliza Carthy & Norma Waterson
Handmade Life - Chris Wood
Hedonism - Bellowhead

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Hollow Point - Chris Wood
Queen of Waters - Nancy Kerr (performed by Nancy Kerr & James Fagan)
Rambling Man - Laura Marling
Stick Stock - Emily Portman

BEST TRADITIONAL TRACK
New York Girls - Bellowhead
The Demon Lover - Andy Irvine
Poor Wayfaring Stranger - Eliza Carthy & Norma Waterson
Willie Taylor - Heidi Talbot

HORIZON AWARD
Emily Portman
Ewan McLennan
Fay Hield
Jonny Kearney & Lucy Farrell

MUSICIAN OF THE YEAR
Andy Cutting
Brian Finnegan
Michael McGoldrick
Richard Thompson

BEST LIVE ACT
Bellowhead
Fiddlers' Bid
The Demon Barbers
The Unthanks

Cheers

Sylvia


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Adam Smith
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 04:01 PM

One question: How does one differentiate between Best Group and Best Album / Best Live Act?

After all, how does one judge a group, if not for their live work and recorded work? Best Group at what? Fancy dress? Roadside collection?

I'll leave all the Same Old Names comments to others.

I see Laura Marling got nominated. I wonder if that decision has been influenced by the publicity and kudos the awards would get if she was to attend?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 04:06 PM

Good luck all.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Folknacious
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 04:13 PM

Insert usual comments below


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Reinhard
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 04:41 PM

I wonder why Fay Hield was nominated for the Horizon Award; if any it should have been for Best Singer. She isn't exactly a new talent on the scene with the wonderful but by now seven year old Witches of Elswick CD.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 04:49 PM

wot a lot of stupid bollox.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 06:55 PM

On the BBC's folk message board, an aeon or two ago, somebody let slip that the criterion judges were asked to use wasn't "who's the best?" but "who's made the most impact in the last year?" - in other words, this is a reward designed strictly for people who are already successful. Understand that and it all makes sense.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,EricTheOrange
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 02:37 AM

That's hardly news. Almost all awards seem to work on that basis.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 03:17 AM

Strange...no Mumford & Sons in there?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: evansakes
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 03:20 AM

"I see Laura Marling got nominated. I wonder if that decision has been influenced by the publicity and kudos the awards would get if she was to attend?"

Adam Smith decides to leave all the "same old names" comments to others but he's very quick off the mark this year with the first suggestion that the awards are rigged in some way.

The nominations are arrived at following a democratic vote.

Well done and best wishes to all those nominated.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: mattkeen
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 04:15 AM

Look its PR and Marketing

Its not for us - we know about these acts anyway


Its for people who are "nearly" into the music or who might be if they heard it

It makes the job of agents and record companies easier


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Adam Smith
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 04:27 AM

Was it a suggestion Twickfolk? More a query, I feel. I can't be held to account for the nefarious way your mind appears to work, can I? And neither should I censor my thoughts on such matters just in case you take it upon yourself to get uppity.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 05:59 AM

Who?



Paws


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 06:12 AM

Glad to see Ewan McLennan up for the Horizon Award - one of my top acts of the year!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: jennyr
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 06:33 AM

Looks like a good list to me - some great music in there.

And of course the same names will appear more than once. This isn't one-hit-wonder popville. Most folk performers have a bit more staying power, and if they're good one year, they're likely still to be good the next.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 06:36 AM

I `ad that Mike `arding in my cab the other day. `e was studying the runners and riders for the folk awards.
I said, "`ere Mike, `oo d`ya reckon gonna get the prizes then?
`e said," I dunno Jim. But I reckon that Bellow`ead stands a good chance in their categories. They`re three to one at the moment "
I said , "Bellow`ead? What `ave they got to do with folk, roots and accoustic? They`re more like a bleeding orchestra. Poor old Cecil would be spin in `is grave if `e could `ear it. And their version of New York Girls, gawd luvvus! "
`e said, "I know Jim, but the judges reflect the punters choice and besides, they`re the loudest so they deserve something!!"

Whaddam I Like??


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 07:12 AM

Musician of the year is a very strong category. Any of them could win, but I'd love to see/hear them do a quartet collaboration on the awards night!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: nutty
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 07:26 AM

Fisherman's Friends - if they hadn't been agressively marketed, who would have heard of them?

There are many older and better fisherman's choirs, not to mention Shanty groups and other maritime performers.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Geoff Wright
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 07:53 AM

Unfortunately, we can't listen in to Mike Harding as the iplayer download is duff, and the BBC like to make it difficult to report faults on what we pay our licence fee for.

I am missing hearing that song(sic) "Aeedee ade to nine dee warn fm" - could anyone enlighten me as to what language it is in?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 10 - 09:47 AM

Its eventually turned up on iplayer. (great fast-forward facility)
and the song (sic) was heard - followed by alternate tracks of Bellowhead!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Rich
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 08:26 AM

I don't usually get frustrated about these things but there is one serious ommission which as far as I can see can only be down to Pip Radish's comments of "impact" over "what's the best".

Damien O'Kane's Summerhill is one of the most impressive 'traditional' albums in the truest sense of the word in quite literally years. Largely songs from his native area, searched out, researched, put to fabulous arrangements, only a couple of which are 'regular reworkings' and most of which are pretty unfamiliar/ long lost which he has breathed new life into. It is a stunning album and one which is bringing lesser known traditional tracks to the fore, as opposed to traditional songs that we have all already heard a thousand times before.

I truly believe it will in time be looked back upon in a similar way to how we view such albums as 'Andy Irvine and Paul Brady'.

The fact that not one of a) the album, b) 'Summerhill' or 'Banks of Boyne', and c)'Raven's Wing' has been nominated in the 'album', 'Traditional Song' and 'Original Song' categories is just beyond me.

True class, and it just hasn't had a look in. This fella is a major talent in the tradition, musically (banjo, guitar), vocally and in terms of arrangements, and someone completely immersed in the tradition. He just doesn't shout about it.

I think is purely to do with the fact that it hasn't had a 'big release'.

Apalled in Southport.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 10:18 AM

The morris side I use to belong to used to award a ' pub of the year'. This seemed to be well liked by the landlords and most of them would display the certificate. One of our chosen pubs was mentioned in a magazine as ' an award winning folk pub'.

I think anything that raises the profile of folk is a good idea.
FloraG.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 12:14 PM

I have a conviction that what ever folk is, it happens most effectively in small friendly human spaces. Whilst it is true that festivals and stuff can be great fun, seeing and hearing good singers and musicians close up is the best.

Will these awards make this more likely to happen?

I dunno. If the answer is yes then good if no then maybe people will enjoy them in other situations.

L in C#


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Dom Bonito
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 01:23 PM

Where's Nancy Wallace then?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Jiggers
Date: 28 Dec 10 - 05:23 PM

My vote is for Emily Portman for Best Original Song :-)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 28 Dec 10 - 06:31 PM

Unfortunately, like the rest of us, you don't have a vote.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Effsee
Date: 28 Dec 10 - 10:21 PM

Erm...we haven't had 2011 yet...


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: breezy
Date: 29 Dec 10 - 12:42 PM

Below heads rendition of New York galls at best is galling !

Fisherman's Friends have on their album a contender for best new song.

They get out there and perform where it matters, on the Platt.

more power to them , they did not look for the the success that came their way, they are O K guys without pretentiousness.

If anything they are the real 'folkies'

Good luck to them.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: r.padgett
Date: 29 Dec 10 - 01:24 PM

With respect New York Girls is a concoction of several different stories, well researched tho they are the story (assuming this is the same as the one I heard over Christmas on BBC 4!)

Is NOT traditional NYG ~ I have no NYG song which has the poor bugger stark naked! (Down by Dark Arches does! ~ see Walter Pardon song) on my new CD!!

Apologies if I have the facts wrong!
Ray


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 09:40 AM

"Fisherman's Friends have on their album a contender for best new song. They get out there and perform where it matters, on the Platt."

Fishy Friends are being given the Good Tradition

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2011/01_january/18/donovan.shtml


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Vic Smith
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:15 PM

At http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=1043927&c=1 we can read the story entitled

Veteran folk-pop exponent Donovan will receive a lifetime achievement award at the BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 on Monday February 7.

Ah! Yes. Lifetime Award for Donovan..... That will be because of his unstinting support of and constant commitment to the cause of folk and traditional music and song in the UK in the 40 years of his career..... won't it?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Silas
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:24 PM

Donovan?

Its all a joke isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:33 PM

What's it all,,,,,,,, ah feck it.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:55 PM

As I've been asking for years (here, e.g.), when are we going to have an English Folk Awards, to match what they have in Scotland?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 03:04 PM

Donovan? DONOVAN??!!

But he's not even American, aren't they supposed to get the Lifetime award?

And Barbara bloody Dixon again - did you hear the oleaginous old bat on Woman's Hour today singing Bridge Over Troubled Water?

How do I withdraw my licence fee?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: tritoneman
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 03:25 PM

I suppose the BBC Folk Awards are worthy and are important to the Folk Music industry but I find them a bit tedious and predictable so tend to all but ignore them. But Folknacious, your response is wonderful. It certainly made me laugh and now maybe I'll show some interest in the event this year! Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 04:41 PM

My nomination would be Doc Rowe, 50 years of archiving the tradition of the UK, with no subsidy. At least 400,000 photos and thousands of hours of audio/video.
All paid for out of his own pocket.
None better... Will he get recognition? Will he Fuck.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,folkiedave
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:44 PM

How do I withdraw my licence fee?

I don't pay one. No TV you see.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 06:17 PM

Hollow Point is amazing and a winner for me. I think the nominees are well deserved this year. I know Ewan Mclennan before he was famous and he knocked me sideways with his voice and guitar.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 06:25 PM

I'm with Ralphie on this one.
Much as I used to like Donovan he is well down my list of folk "workers" deserving recognition.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Guest Betsy
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 07:41 PM

Shite


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 03:13 AM

Totally agree with Kinda about Ewan McLennan - brilliant!

But Donovan!!!! What can I say?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 04:40 AM

donovan's contribution is is surely that his songs are sung in folk clubs - have been for the last forty years or so.

In folk clubs and open mic sessions his work has been an undeniable presence - rather more than Ewan macColl of late, in fact. He has inspired thousands of people to 'have a go' by singing his songs, making folk more accessible to the man or woman in the street.

Moreover his credentials as part of the Les cousins crowd of the mid sixties are impeccable. It was an inspirational time in the history of English folk music for many of us.

Isn't his real sin that his work can be immediately comprehended and appreciated by common people - and as such is devoid of middle class affectation and ornamentation?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 05:02 AM

We have politely disagreed over this in the past Al regarding the (non)contribution by Donovan to the folk scene. Donovan emerged from nowhere in early 1965 to perform a spot on "Ready, Steady, Go" from which he was roundly and rightly castigated as a Bob Dylan rip off and it was from this that he was afforded his couple of years fame on the pop scene. Since then he has dropped off the radar (both folk and pop)except when he is wheeled out for the odd event such as this. Over the years I would say that there are far more Richard Thompson, Ewan MacColl, Greame Miles, Ed Pickford and, dare I say it, Bob Dylan songs sung around the folk clubs and festivals than Donovan compositions. I can not honestly say that I have heard anyone, and certainly not among the new wave of young performers, who have said that they have been influenced by Donovan.
The announcement of this award is surely the point where the Folk Awards cease to be taken seriously.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 05:17 AM

I've been playing in sessions for thirty years, it's always been a very rare thing to hear a Donovan song, most of it is airy fairy pop shite.

He should be marooned on a desert island with Vashti Bunyan.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,PhilB
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 06:26 AM

Have no issue with the Donovan thing but I am dissapointed that Wizz Jones doesn't get a look in. As far as I'm concerned, he has considerably more relevance in this context. He's just about the last of a breed and richly deserves a little recognition.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Silas
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 06:32 AM

Trouble is they need a 'name' for the massive production. Now, you or I could easily come up with half a dozen or more people who rightly deserve this award, but they would not bee well enough known to Mr General Public.
Consequently, the value of this award has been significantly diminishesd as to make it almost worthless.
Shame really, and particularly for previous worthy winners.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 07:42 AM

In reality they should be re-named ' The Mike Harding Show Awards ' cos if they've not appeared on it, or been played on it, they never come within miles of even a nomination.

PhilB is right, every person in GB who loves this kind of music would vote for Wizz Jones rather than Donovan, this further illustrates how corrupt the awards are.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 07:50 AM

"I've been playing in sessions for thirty years, it's always been a very rare thing to hear a Donovan song, most of it is airy fairy pop shite."

Actually there is a great deal of airy fairy folk shite too!!!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Silas
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 07:58 AM

Another useful contribution brom bonzo.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Vic Smith
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 09:08 AM

The parallel thread on the fRoots Forum at http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5618&start=15 has a lot to say on this subject, much of it well argued.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 09:10 AM

Silas has hit the nail on the head(post @ 6:32)
The Mike Harding Show and the BBC in general don't make programmes for "us" and the awards nonsense is about "us" as "they" see it. Most of the names we would like to see recognised would be totally unknown to the Radio audience so therefore they don't have a chance.

Once again the whole awards thing is seen to be the farce it is.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 10:04 AM

I agree, the contribution of Wizz Jones has been criminally undervalued. However I am left wondering which folk clubs and sessions you have attended if you ain't come across the Donovan clique.

Colours, Goldwatch Blues, I'm going to try for the sun, catch the wind, to sing for you.....you've done bloody well to miss that lot. Its not without value - and now the value has been recognised.

Its not the mainspring of my life, but I recognise that to a lot of middle aged English people - Donovan is folk music.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Silas
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 10:24 AM

Well, I have nothing against Donovan, he does what he does well and some of his songs are really good. But it 'aint really folk is it? Acoustic and Folk 'aint the same thing. Even if it was Folk, does his rather meagre contribution from the sixties (I am not ware of anything he has done since) really qualify him for a lifetime achievement award? Really?
This just discredits folk music, which is just about the last thing we need.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:06 AM

Big Al, I said ' rarely ' heard a Donovan song not ' never,' I've got a mate who sings Colours about once a year.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: tritoneman
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:50 AM

I agree with Phil on this. Wizz Jones should be up for this one. He was performing this stuff back in the 1950's and is still going strong today. A lot of performers - including, of course, Eric Clapton - claim to have been inspired or influenced by him. I saw him at the Blue Walnut Cafe - a tiny venue in Torquay - last year. It was the first time I'd seen him in thirty years and I thought he was superb. The old magic's still there.......


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Vic Smith
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:04 PM

....Colours, Goldwatch Blues, I'm going to try for the sun, catch the wind, to sing for you....

Well there are obviously folk clubs and folk clubs. I have been going to folk clubs every week at least once a week usually more for 45 years or more and I cannot recall one of those songs being sung... though I do remember that Alan White wrote and sung a very scurrilous and rude parody of Catch The Wind when that song first came out that used a different meaning of the word than that associated with the Greek God, Boreas.

It's not just Donovan, though, what can we honestly say that several of the past winners (listed, by the way, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Radio_2_Folk_Awards) have contributed little and have had minimal influence on the folk scene. If Bert Jansch (a worthy winner) is well known enough to be considered, then why is Wizz Jones (as he has been mentioned) not?

Then there if "Folk Club of the Year". What criteria are brought to bear for this nonsensical award? Is there a panel making a detailed and considered choice?

As has been rightly pointed out, the whole thing is a farce. The point has been made the Award ceremony brings publicity to the folk scene, but is this the sort of publicity that it needs, hearing a barrage of self-congratulation from an in-crowd in an event that comes over as minor league mimicry of the Brit Awards or the Oscar ceremony?

Not in my name, thank you.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Vic Smith
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:09 PM

In case the above sounds like sour grapes, I ought to add that I have been invited to attend or more than one occasion in the past and have never taken up the offer.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:36 PM

Can anyone beat 45 years spent in folk clubs and never having once heard a Donovan song?

Perhaps you are tuning these frequencies out. if so, I'd love to know how you do it, Vic. There is so much one would love to tune out.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:44 PM

I agree with the posters who say Wizz Jones should be getting recognition he deserves.

But could I suggest that the Folk Awards are not about or for the folk scene particularly? They are much broader than that. People may piss and moan about Donovan getting an award (and I would question the value of giving an award to someone who hasn't really produced any decent new music in over 30 years), but I can assure you that the budget "Universal Soldier" album was the only remotely folkish album in my Mum and Dad's record collection - sat alongside Hert Alpert's Tijuana Brass, Strings For Pleasure Play the Hits of Bacharach & David and so on. This means it was the first folk album I ever heard and it's chock full of wonderful songs, largely played on acoustic guitar, with a debt to Dylan, a debt to pop music, but most definitely at least a couple of toes wiggling in the direction of tradition.

I can also confirm that when he headlined the Saturday night at Moseley Folk Festival last year, a large proportion of the crowd, many of whom probably wren't even born when he was pop star, were loving it. Same as when he played The Green Man Festival a few years back - he still knows how to connect with a crowd that identifies itself as interested in folk music but is not necessarily made up of people bound by the conventions of the folk revival.

Personally, I'm not a huge Donovan fan, but I think that "A Gift From A Flower To A Garden" is a lovely album and "Season of the Witch", one of his (gasp) pop songs, is a stone classic. I say give him the award, give him his moment. This is surely about celebrating people who acheived some sort of mainstream success but came from or had one foot in the broader folk camp. He deserves it at least as much as Richard Thompson did.

(File under: Folk definitions #3: Folk as marketing concept)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,twickfolk
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:37 PM

Agree with much of that, spleen cringe.

When I heard Barbara Dickson mention Donovan's upcoming award I feared the knives would be out for him. It's a shame in many ways. Like it or not these awards are funded by the BBC and they need to reach and appeal to more people than those who follow the folk scene closely. The recipient of a Lifeime Achievement isn't going to go to an infantryman, it's going to have to go to someone whose name registers not only with the Simon Mayos of this world but also with the Sally Traffics.
Donovan fits the bill so he gets the award. Quite rightly (some might say)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:42 PM

Quite rightly indeed.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: tritoneman
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:55 PM


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 02:03 PM

Perhaps eelectrical banana is going to be the latest phase?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 01:36 PM

For those with an interest, on Monday 7 February, for the first time, the Folk Awards will be broadcast live on BBC Radio 2 following a special edition of Simon Mayo's Drivetime. This will be broadcast live from the event from 1700-1945. Guests include Coope Boyes and Simpson.

From 1945 - 2200 you can listen to the Folk Awards ceremony as it happens or watch the whole event online or on digital TV by pressing the Red Button. Video highlights will also be available online and via the Red Button the following day.

Incidentally, there are 4 days left to listen again to the Celtic Connections broadcast of Wednesday on BBC Radio 2; Ricky Ross brings you highlights of Celtic Connections 2011 from Glasgow. It's Scotland's premier music winter festival with over 1,500 artists playing from the world of folk, roots, world, Americana and traditional music. Ricky talks to the names from this year's event and brings you live music from Tom Jones(traditional Welsh songs), Mavis Staples, Justin Townes Earle, Dick Gaughan and Muntu Valdo.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 02:40 PM

Who does the nominating? Is there any way the public can make suggestions to the nominating committe?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:19 PM

For those with an interest, on Monday 7 February, for the first time, the Folk Awards will be broadcast live on BBC Radio 2 following a special edition of Simon Mayo's Drivetime. This will be broadcast live from the event from 1700-1945. Guests include Coope Boyes and Simpson.

Be on my way to see Swarb playing at Tonbridge around then, I'm afraid.

Swarb? Radio 2 Folk Awards? What to choose?

No contest I'm afraid!


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 11:09 AM

"Is there any way the public can make suggestions to the nominating committe?"

You might as well try and catch the wind.


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: Old Vermin
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 12:43 PM

If nothing, else, it's brought the names of Breabach and Heidi Talbot to my notice. Brief sampling of YouTube suggests that this may have been wasted on me - one diddley-diddley band and one perfectly harmless lass singing to someone else's guitar. Ah, well, now I know why I'd never heard of them.

Odds for C,B & S v Bellowhead, anyone? Come to think of it, do B'head get more TV exposure than the rest?


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 02:17 PM

Looking forward to leafletting the great and the good as they arrive in a protest for the axeing of the Radio Derby Folkwaves programme!
It'll be a bit strange to see so many old friends again, but, from the other side of the fence!
(And Simon Mayo really knows his stuff re Folk Music. Have had many a conversation with him on yhe subject over the years.)


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 06:26 PM

good for your Ralphie. See you there mate xxxe


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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 04:37 PM

Thanks eliza! Hug forthcoming!


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