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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Vic Smith Date: 19 Jan 11 - 09:08 AM The parallel thread on the fRoots Forum at http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5618&start=15 has a lot to say on this subject, much of it well argued. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Andy Jackson Date: 19 Jan 11 - 09:10 AM Silas has hit the nail on the head(post @ 6:32) The Mike Harding Show and the BBC in general don't make programmes for "us" and the awards nonsense is about "us" as "they" see it. Most of the names we would like to see recognised would be totally unknown to the Radio audience so therefore they don't have a chance. Once again the whole awards thing is seen to be the farce it is. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 19 Jan 11 - 10:04 AM I agree, the contribution of Wizz Jones has been criminally undervalued. However I am left wondering which folk clubs and sessions you have attended if you ain't come across the Donovan clique. Colours, Goldwatch Blues, I'm going to try for the sun, catch the wind, to sing for you.....you've done bloody well to miss that lot. Its not without value - and now the value has been recognised. Its not the mainspring of my life, but I recognise that to a lot of middle aged English people - Donovan is folk music. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Silas Date: 19 Jan 11 - 10:24 AM Well, I have nothing against Donovan, he does what he does well and some of his songs are really good. But it 'aint really folk is it? Acoustic and Folk 'aint the same thing. Even if it was Folk, does his rather meagre contribution from the sixties (I am not ware of anything he has done since) really qualify him for a lifetime achievement award? Really? This just discredits folk music, which is just about the last thing we need. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Dave Hanson Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:06 AM Big Al, I said ' rarely ' heard a Donovan song not ' never,' I've got a mate who sings Colours about once a year. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: tritoneman Date: 19 Jan 11 - 11:50 AM I agree with Phil on this. Wizz Jones should be up for this one. He was performing this stuff back in the 1950's and is still going strong today. A lot of performers - including, of course, Eric Clapton - claim to have been inspired or influenced by him. I saw him at the Blue Walnut Cafe - a tiny venue in Torquay - last year. It was the first time I'd seen him in thirty years and I thought he was superb. The old magic's still there....... |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Vic Smith Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:04 PM ....Colours, Goldwatch Blues, I'm going to try for the sun, catch the wind, to sing for you.... Well there are obviously folk clubs and folk clubs. I have been going to folk clubs every week at least once a week usually more for 45 years or more and I cannot recall one of those songs being sung... though I do remember that Alan White wrote and sung a very scurrilous and rude parody of Catch The Wind when that song first came out that used a different meaning of the word than that associated with the Greek God, Boreas. It's not just Donovan, though, what can we honestly say that several of the past winners (listed, by the way, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Radio_2_Folk_Awards) have contributed little and have had minimal influence on the folk scene. If Bert Jansch (a worthy winner) is well known enough to be considered, then why is Wizz Jones (as he has been mentioned) not? Then there if "Folk Club of the Year". What criteria are brought to bear for this nonsensical award? Is there a panel making a detailed and considered choice? As has been rightly pointed out, the whole thing is a farce. The point has been made the Award ceremony brings publicity to the folk scene, but is this the sort of publicity that it needs, hearing a barrage of self-congratulation from an in-crowd in an event that comes over as minor league mimicry of the Brit Awards or the Oscar ceremony? Not in my name, thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Vic Smith Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:09 PM In case the above sounds like sour grapes, I ought to add that I have been invited to attend or more than one occasion in the past and have never taken up the offer. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:36 PM Can anyone beat 45 years spent in folk clubs and never having once heard a Donovan song? Perhaps you are tuning these frequencies out. if so, I'd love to know how you do it, Vic. There is so much one would love to tune out. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Spleen Cringe Date: 19 Jan 11 - 12:44 PM I agree with the posters who say Wizz Jones should be getting recognition he deserves. But could I suggest that the Folk Awards are not about or for the folk scene particularly? They are much broader than that. People may piss and moan about Donovan getting an award (and I would question the value of giving an award to someone who hasn't really produced any decent new music in over 30 years), but I can assure you that the budget "Universal Soldier" album was the only remotely folkish album in my Mum and Dad's record collection - sat alongside Hert Alpert's Tijuana Brass, Strings For Pleasure Play the Hits of Bacharach & David and so on. This means it was the first folk album I ever heard and it's chock full of wonderful songs, largely played on acoustic guitar, with a debt to Dylan, a debt to pop music, but most definitely at least a couple of toes wiggling in the direction of tradition. I can also confirm that when he headlined the Saturday night at Moseley Folk Festival last year, a large proportion of the crowd, many of whom probably wren't even born when he was pop star, were loving it. Same as when he played The Green Man Festival a few years back - he still knows how to connect with a crowd that identifies itself as interested in folk music but is not necessarily made up of people bound by the conventions of the folk revival. Personally, I'm not a huge Donovan fan, but I think that "A Gift From A Flower To A Garden" is a lovely album and "Season of the Witch", one of his (gasp) pop songs, is a stone classic. I say give him the award, give him his moment. This is surely about celebrating people who acheived some sort of mainstream success but came from or had one foot in the broader folk camp. He deserves it at least as much as Richard Thompson did. (File under: Folk definitions #3: Folk as marketing concept) |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,twickfolk Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:37 PM Agree with much of that, spleen cringe. When I heard Barbara Dickson mention Donovan's upcoming award I feared the knives would be out for him. It's a shame in many ways. Like it or not these awards are funded by the BBC and they need to reach and appeal to more people than those who follow the folk scene closely. The recipient of a Lifeime Achievement isn't going to go to an infantryman, it's going to have to go to someone whose name registers not only with the Simon Mayos of this world but also with the Sally Traffics. Donovan fits the bill so he gets the award. Quite rightly (some might say) |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Bonzo3legs Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:42 PM Quite rightly indeed. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: tritoneman Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:55 PM |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST Date: 19 Jan 11 - 02:03 PM Perhaps eelectrical banana is going to be the latest phase? |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,henryp Date: 29 Jan 11 - 01:36 PM For those with an interest, on Monday 7 February, for the first time, the Folk Awards will be broadcast live on BBC Radio 2 following a special edition of Simon Mayo's Drivetime. This will be broadcast live from the event from 1700-1945. Guests include Coope Boyes and Simpson. From 1945 - 2200 you can listen to the Folk Awards ceremony as it happens or watch the whole event online or on digital TV by pressing the Red Button. Video highlights will also be available online and via the Red Button the following day. Incidentally, there are 4 days left to listen again to the Celtic Connections broadcast of Wednesday on BBC Radio 2; Ricky Ross brings you highlights of Celtic Connections 2011 from Glasgow. It's Scotland's premier music winter festival with over 1,500 artists playing from the world of folk, roots, world, Americana and traditional music. Ricky talks to the names from this year's event and brings you live music from Tom Jones(traditional Welsh songs), Mavis Staples, Justin Townes Earle, Dick Gaughan and Muntu Valdo. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 29 Jan 11 - 02:40 PM Who does the nominating? Is there any way the public can make suggestions to the nominating committe? |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Rob Naylor Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:19 PM For those with an interest, on Monday 7 February, for the first time, the Folk Awards will be broadcast live on BBC Radio 2 following a special edition of Simon Mayo's Drivetime. This will be broadcast live from the event from 1700-1945. Guests include Coope Boyes and Simpson. Be on my way to see Swarb playing at Tonbridge around then, I'm afraid. Swarb? Radio 2 Folk Awards? What to choose? No contest I'm afraid! |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST Date: 31 Jan 11 - 11:09 AM "Is there any way the public can make suggestions to the nominating committe?" You might as well try and catch the wind. |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: Old Vermin Date: 31 Jan 11 - 12:43 PM If nothing, else, it's brought the names of Breabach and Heidi Talbot to my notice. Brief sampling of YouTube suggests that this may have been wasted on me - one diddley-diddley band and one perfectly harmless lass singing to someone else's guitar. Ah, well, now I know why I'd never heard of them. Odds for C,B & S v Bellowhead, anyone? Come to think of it, do B'head get more TV exposure than the rest? |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 31 Jan 11 - 02:17 PM Looking forward to leafletting the great and the good as they arrive in a protest for the axeing of the Radio Derby Folkwaves programme! It'll be a bit strange to see so many old friends again, but, from the other side of the fence! (And Simon Mayo really knows his stuff re Folk Music. Have had many a conversation with him on yhe subject over the years.) |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,eliza c Date: 31 Jan 11 - 06:26 PM good for your Ralphie. See you there mate xxxe |
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Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards 2011 Nominations From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 01 Feb 11 - 04:37 PM Thanks eliza! Hug forthcoming! |
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