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BS: Who Is Barack Obama?

kendall 27 Nov 10 - 12:40 PM
Little Hawk 27 Nov 10 - 12:46 PM
Gervase 27 Nov 10 - 12:57 PM
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olddude 27 Nov 10 - 01:43 PM
gnu 27 Nov 10 - 01:55 PM
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Ebbie 27 Nov 10 - 02:05 PM
Les in Chorlton 27 Nov 10 - 02:19 PM
John MacKenzie 27 Nov 10 - 02:20 PM
kendall 27 Nov 10 - 02:23 PM
Bobert 27 Nov 10 - 02:27 PM
Joe Offer 27 Nov 10 - 03:22 PM
artbrooks 27 Nov 10 - 03:25 PM
pdq 27 Nov 10 - 03:30 PM
Don Firth 27 Nov 10 - 03:41 PM
Mrrzy 27 Nov 10 - 03:42 PM
Joe Offer 27 Nov 10 - 04:09 PM
GUEST,999 27 Nov 10 - 04:13 PM
gnu 27 Nov 10 - 04:16 PM
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akenaton 27 Nov 10 - 06:59 PM
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Subject: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 12:40 PM

Some of my right wing friends keep harping on the lack of background info on him, like he is from another planet, and that no one admits knowing him in college.
Opinions?


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 12:46 PM

I have no idea.

People have asked that same question about Chongo Chimp. In Chongo's case, I can offer a good deal of cogent information as to who he is, but when it comes to Barack Obama, I am frankly at a loss. Perhaps Obama is an absolutely brilliantly conceived political android that was manufactured in secret by Microsoft or the Rand Coporation or somebody like that. ;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 12:57 PM

Tell your right-wing friends to take their heads out of their fundaments! There's plenty of stuff about him out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 01:20 PM

Yeah - they let any old stranger in to edit the Harvard Law review.

Story Here


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: olddude
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 01:43 PM

Tell them he is the President of the United States that's who he is.


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: gnu
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 01:55 PM

My first thought also, Dan.


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: DougR
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 02:00 PM

I'm a bit surprised at the question, Kendall. Google Barack Obama, I'm sure you will find a lot of stuff. :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 02:05 PM

DougR, please do read the link that Wesley S posted. If just one 'gets' it and spreads the word, who knows how many more will accept the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 02:19 PM

He is more than most of us deserve

L in C#


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 02:20 PM

He's the guy with the split lip, actually.


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 02:23 PM

They keep hammering on the "Fact" that no one from his class in college remembers him. Who has something besides a few bits of info about him?


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Subject: RE: BS: WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 02:27 PM

I donno... I heard he's a Socialist, though I must admit that I have never heard of the country of Social... Guess is one of them Southeast Asian Muslim commie countries... I also hear that he may not actually been born there so he might not even be a Socialist at all??? Somethin' about them not using actual birth certificates in Social or his being forged... I donno...

Oh yeah, I also heard that he is neither black nor white nor nuthin' in between... Hmmmmmmmm??? I donno but he looks black to me... Well, not exactly black but brownish... I don't know what color the people in Social are but if they are indeed brownish then I think he has a purdy good argument that he is Socialist... Maybe someone with a better understandin' of geometry knows more about the folks from Social...

Well, that's about all I know... Hope it's helpful...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 03:22 PM

Well, Obama did his undergraduate study 1979-1981 at Occidental College (Los Angeles, 1,825 students) and from 1981-1983 at Columbia University in New York, which has over 26,000 undergraduate students. I'm sure he would have been remembered if he had completed all four years at a small school like Occidental; but undergraduate students at huge universities like Columbia, are seldom remembered. I did security clearance investigations for the feds for 25 years, and one of my most frustrating tasks was finding professors and classmates who remembered undergraduate students. It's very easy to find people at universities who don't remember fellow students.

Kendall's right, though - it's so strange that there are so many people in the United States who almost seem to refuse to acknowledge even the existence of Barack Obama. Maybe it's a class thing, that they don't think Barack's blood is sufficiently blue. Most U.S. Presidents have come from famous families, or have been famous for decades before election. Obama was a U.S. Senator for four years, and was virtually unknown before that. Still, to be elected president of the Harvard Law Review in 1990 at the age of 28, is quite an accomplishment. The Los Angeles Times also has an interesting article on Obama's election to the Harvard Law Review.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 03:25 PM

Black (or Brownish) people don't exist to right-wing Americans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: pdq
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 03:30 PM

artbrooks statement is racist hatemongering and bigoted crap


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 03:41 PM

No, pdq. It's not artbrooks, it's a disgustingly large proportion of right-wing Americans.

Unfortunate, but that happens to be the case, whether you see it or not, whether you like it or not.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 03:42 PM

No, just unfortunately true - we didn't object to anybody killing off ethnic moslems anywhere in Africa, but the Bosnians, now, that was another story...

I think he is an American, which as a type of dog means a mutt, and I like that term for most Americans; he's half African Moslem and half WASP, but raised in the least culturally American of the 50 states, and by grandparents who avoided all religion to avoid dissing either parent, very wise grandparents indeed; as he is highly intelligent, I assume he is an atheist who began attending church when he started his political career, and now professes christianity in protective mimicry; he was a teenager in the 70's so I doubt he looks down on casual drug use or homosexuality or casual sex; for the former and the latter, as a good father, the first and last of those better not concern his little girls, and there is no hypocrisy in this; and I think he really intended to get things done through compromise, and seemed unprepared for the depth and breadth of the obstacles that the Republicans and many Dermocrats were going to implacably refuse to allow him any progress with, resulting in compromises between two rational positions being replaced with one side remaining so obscenely rigidly against him that instead of the middle we ended up with some dreadful miscarriages of justice. Wonder if She stained Her gown.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 04:09 PM

I dunno, Mrr. I think he's sincere in his profession of Christianity. He seems to be a very truthful sort of person, and I don't think he'd lie about his religious affiliation. We progressive Catholics claim him as a 'compadre' because he worked as a community organizer for a consortium of Catholic parishes in Chicago, 1985-1988 - and because of the brilliant commencement address he gave at Notre Dame in 2009 in the face of opposition form right-wing Catholics.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 04:13 PM

IMO, he`s a man who has more class than most electors deserve. I wish we had someone like him representing us--common ordinary folks--in Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 04:16 PM

Hear, hear 999. On both counts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 05:04 PM

Well, nobody in Dumbya's National Guard unit remembered him, either -


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 06:15 PM

I think the main thing I hear people complain about, besides Obama's foreign birth and Muslim faith, is his "arrogance." I mean, the guy talks like he actually knows what he's talking about! When was the last time we had a President who did that? Oh, the outrage!
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 06:59 PM

He may talk like he knows what he's talkin' about.....but actions speak louder than words!

Drone warfare? More troops for Afghanistan? The Palistinian question?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:14 PM

Kinda hard to solve all the shit, in no time, that rained down before he became Pres. Maybe he will solve some of it ake. Hope he does, just to piss you off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:16 PM

People who toss out that "elitist" label really mean "smart". Do they really want a president who isn't any smarter than the average American? It explains why some less-than-genius candidates end up winning, but I can't believe people wouldn't want someone smart running the country.

During the campaign, one criticism I heard was that people who supported him were giving him the "rock star" treatment, and they would be disillusioned when he didn't perform miracles. I think there are people who feel that way now, but it's pretty stupid to have expected miracles, especially considering his foes wanted him to fail just because their guy didn't win. Now the RepubliTeaCons criticize him because he didn't perform miracles while they fought him every step of the way.

Our political processes are not set up to be effective making things better for the country. I think if ANY president manages to get anything positive done, it IS a miracle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:22 PM

Interesting comment I heard recently in response to complaints that Obama has not yet solved all the problems of the world.

Beware! Some will howl that this is racist. Okay, so be it!!

"This is not the first time that a black man has been stuck with the job of cleaning up an unholy mess made by a white man!"

(Okay, take your best shot!)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:29 PM

Before he was elected and during all the euphoria, I said that he would change what he was allowed to change.
I was ridiculed by most of the "liberals"....like who's going to tell the President of the USA how much he can change.

Well now we all know.....the fuckin' boss!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 08:29 PM

Do they really want a president who isn't any smarter than the average American? In light of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, the popularity of Palin and the results of the recent election , I'd say the answer is no.

What they REALLY want is someone considerably stupider than the average American, so they can feel superior.

Oh, ye nation of morons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: LadyJean
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 11:52 PM

I will tell you something about Mr. Obama I'm not supposed to know.
His former pastor, the firebrand Fox News made such a fuss about, was sued for slander.

Obama is an attorney. But he didn't handle the case. The pastor had to pay, and pay a lot, for his defense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:24 AM

He is whomever 'they' tell you he is...and depending on the slant of the source, will be the collective opinion of him.

To some, he is too far left, to others, right of center, to some 'Mr.Too Brilliant', to others a foreigner, to some, an opportunist, to some, a front-man puppet, To some, the best thing since sliced bread.
It really depends on who YOU WANT him to be.

I was never 'wowed' by him, but I thought it fair to give him some time before I made up my mind further.....so far, I'm underwhelmed. What is more scary is the re-action to him, one way or another.

One thing, most of his closest top White House 'advisers', are bailing, for one reason or another, his policies continue Bush's(for the most part), he has fallen down on several things, and the consensus of the public were made known in this last election...not to mention the jobs(?), unaccounted for stimulus money, and a health care bill that should have been READ and/or worked over a bit, BEFORE it was rammed through the Houses.
It does this country NO GOOD to have a President who does not have the confidence of the people, and now even his fellow Democrat supporters.
Now that being said, I, myself, in this post, have not made a 'value judgment' on him one way or another...though I have been inclined in the past, to do so.....besides, as things are right now, it will be the PEOPLE of this country who will eventually pull us out of the messes, that the Government and Big Business and Globalists got us into...hopefully.. unless they screw(ed) it up beyond repair!...not any singular POLITICIAN!...or slick spokesman for weird agendas!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 05:42 AM

Amen!


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 07:09 AM

Yeah, if he approached being president with the same courage and tenacity as he does playing basketball then there would be no question about where he stands for extending the tax cuts to the rich... I mean, what are a few stitches now and then???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 12:17 PM

""artbrooks statement is racist hatemongering and bigoted crap""

Knee jerk reaction to an uncomfortable truth PDQ?

Or maybe you can rebut the statement that redneck right wing USA does indeed tend to believe that brown or black skin colour can disqualify its owner from right wing society and, hopefully, public office.

I cannot see how that statement by artbrooks fits any conceivable definition of bigotry.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 12:56 PM

Basketball is a far simpler game, Bobert.

I think, as Akenaton suggested, that Obama is simply doing pretty much what the powers-that-be are allowing him to do. He's not the boss. He's the figurehead. The system of power that exists all around him is the boss, because it just goes on and on while he is merely temporary. And what is power? From where does it derive? From money, that's where. They with the most money ARE the power that rules, that fields armies, that builds A-bombs, that passes laws, and that determines policy. And so it has ever been.

A given president can have some effect on that through the force of his own personality and his ideas about things...but only to a limited extent. He's on a short leash. Within the reach of that leash he can affect things to a degree, but only as far as the leash will stretch. Beyond that, he is a puppet of the system that put him in place and will still be there when he's gone.

What I'd say about Obama is that he's been less effective within that short leash than I'd have hoped he would have been. But I wasn't expecting any miracles, that's for sure. I am not surprised by how little has really changed since Bush left and Obama came in. It's about what I would have expected (though I did hope for more).

The problem isn't Obama or Bush. The problem is a great imperial system that has long passed its apogee and is now teetering down the descending slope of decadence and bankruptcy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 01:52 PM

Little Hawk: "The problem isn't Obama or Bush. The problem is a great imperial system that has long passed its apogee and is now teetering down the descending slope of decadence and bankruptcy."

I tend to greatly agree with you, except I don't blame the system, but rather the corrupted compromises that tend to allure the public's sense of entitlement(s). ..and by that, I don't mean 'entitlement programs', but rather the public's laziness to think someone else will take care of them, and do their thinking for them!....and that's the trade-off. Now we have both sides selling us a bad bill of goods, and remedies that earlier bad policies created...only compounding the problem, till we have a ruling class, in Washington, that is irrecognizable, to the original principles, of government getting OUT of the way of the common citizen, but rather protecting a land where common folk could live, and pursue their personal goals and dreams, for themselves, families, and communities. Now we have a giant, intrusive, all controlling tyranny, of sorts, that dictate what SHOULD be our hopes, and dreams, and limitations of creative thinking! Shame on them, and shame on those who buy into it, and shame on those who promote it!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:16 PM

Hmmm. Okay, are the people shaped by the system? Or is the system shaped by the people? Or is it both?

I think it's a bit of both, but it's true that the North American public at present are remarkably passive and are suckers for whatever delusions and appetites their mass media feeds them, so I think that it's mostly the system that is shaping the people nowadays rather than the other way around.

Now, in the case of the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution you had a situation where the people (some of them) took matters into their own hands (under the leadership of a few political firebrands, idealists, and rabble-rousers) and brought the ruling system down. Such things can happen when the general public gets really desperate. People aren't that desperate yet in North America. I think they will have to get that desperate before the system makes really significant changes for the better.

Significant changes for the worse, on the other hand....those can emanate quite readily from the system as it is, I think....or could emanate from the people too, because the people will sometimes support an absolutely terrible government if they're scared enough about something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:28 PM

999.....you're only or'nary in the American sense.   :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:32 PM

More importantly, who the hell is Baram Obaka?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:45 PM

Baram Obaka is Chongo Chimp's campaign finance manager for the 2012 campaign.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:30 PM

So, why did he need 500 staff members and 200 secret service people in London?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:34 PM

You can't be serious! Chongo has only 17 staff members and he has never enlisted the aid of the secret service at all...except for that time he got involved in stopping the German spy caper to steal America's atomic secrets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: DougR
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 07:12 PM

Guest, 999: I wish you had him too! Perhaps after 2012?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 08:35 PM

No wonder we retirees will get no C.O.L.A. this year, or next!


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 03:57 AM

Hawk: "I think it's a bit of both, but it's true that the North American public at present are remarkably passive and are suckers for whatever delusions and appetites their mass media feeds them, so I think that it's mostly the system that is shaping the people nowadays rather than the other way around."

Was 'folk' protest songs in the mass media?..in the 60's? Think it shaped lives?..Well, some heard, some didn't, and some were annoyed. I find it more effective to write for, and about 'deeper things', or use images, that resonates with a wider group, as to get their attention, on whatever 'level' they first perceive the song... only to find it has a higher(deeper)meaning, that now causes the listener to address 'thinking', with the consideration of more considered aspects.
How many people lives or thinking gets influenced?? How far does it take them?..I think it may be up to them. Sometimes people send up these 'wishes' or 'curious thoughts'......then sometimes as an answer, out of seemingly nowhere, a song hits them at the right time..blows their socks off...sometimes not...ya' just gotta' throw it out there....and the audience will tell you if you got 'taste' or not.

Oh shit, got carried away there. Should send it to the 'Clarity' thread....Anyway, Little Hawk, I'm pretty sure you could follow that, and know exactly what I'm talking about.

Oh, who is Barack Obama?....... Does he play an instrument?

GfS
P.S. Yahoo Messenger?....unless there is another way.(It takes bigger files).


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 04:53 AM

Here is a bit of info on Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 02:43 PM

Mike, linking to that load of low grade bullshit and calling it info on Obama is unworthy of you.

The author is on an obvious mission to denigrate and destroy confidence in a Obama, and reading the whole of that rant it becomes obvious that it is a politically inspired exercise in the dissemination of scurrilous lies and misinformation.

It says much more about Manning and Fucks News than about the US President.

I'm surprised at you, and would have expected better.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 03:55 PM

I found it interesting. It, if true, would sure explain a lot!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 04:08 PM

Don(Wyziwyg) I tend to read quite a few articles on that particular site and have no problem suggesting others do too. Everyone has freedom of access to whatever information available but they also have freedom to believe whatever they want...... Should I no more believe what is in that article than believe what is in the press?? We only find out what we are fed in any case. That particular site can be an eye opener and if you look back over some of the very early articles you may see things 'suggested' which have become reality. I don't describe anyone elses take on anything as low grade bullshit unless I can adequately prove against it.............. Oh and I didn't call it info on Obama... it is info on Obama whether correct or incorrect.

PS I have nothing personally against Obama or America as a whole.............


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 05:32 PM

Very interesting.....but surely I should be simple to prove or disprove his attendance for 5yrs at Columbia?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 05:41 PM

Aah yes. the ATLAH trial back in May. Was supposed to be a real game-changer. Lots of really important new info. Lots of people finally spilling the real beans.

How'd that work out?


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