BS: Who Is Barack Obama?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 12:40 AM

Never have so many yakked so much about something that means so little.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 11:49 PM

He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 11:10 PM

Funny. Posting links to shit smells a lot like promoting shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 04:19 PM

They're idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 03:38 PM

Poor Carl Orff...

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 03:14 PM

This video came out during the elections. Do I believe it? Not particularly....but because of this thread title, I thought you might get a kick out of it. Some people take it seriously, though.

If anything, it could make a great movie plot!

THIS IS A TRIP!

..and to follow it up...

I just found this one......again, I'm NOT promoting this..just a trip!

..then again......

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: TIA
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 02:01 PM

"Dont follow Fox news Tia.....But if this is all lies why are they allowed to circulate it?"

Because Fox News gets big ratings from lies and makes big bucks from lies.

A thoroughly documented example is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2dNYY2-RhA

click

And there are plenty more.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 01:23 PM

Dems have just been trying to hide an unremarkable stint at college -- ????!?

When Barry Became Barack -- as a kid he used an American-sounding nickname, but in college embraced his given name. No mystery there.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 12:45 PM

Hmmm.....,looks like the Dems have just been trying to hide an unremarkable stint at college.....and a few "shady" contacts.   Giving life to a conspirisy story at the same time.

Stupid fuckers!

What was the story about the name change?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 12:33 PM

Who Is Barack Obama? That's not you?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 12:30 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp - link that TIA gave, that Amos quotes; go there for links to documentation of the above.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Amos
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 11:57 AM

Snopes says:

"Although Barack Obama may not have been particularly social or memorable during his years at Columbia, it isn't true that "no one ever came forward from Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc." Those who have attested to having daily personal experience with him during his time at that school include:

•Friend and roommate Sohale Siddiqi, whom the Associated Press located and interviewed in May 2008.

•Roommate Phil Boerner, who provided his recollections of sharing a New York City apartment with classmate Barack Obama to the Columbia College Today alumni publication and the New York Times in early 2009.

•Michael L. Baron, who taught the year-long honors seminar in American Foreign Policy that Barack Obama took during his senior year at Columbia and recalled in an NBC interview Obama's "easily acing" the class and receiving an A for his senior paper on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the Soviet Union.
Likewise, other external evidence documents Barack Obama's presence at Columbia from 1981-83, including:

•An article by Barack Obama published in the 10 March 1983 edition of Columbia's Sundial school magazine.

•A January 2005 Columbia College Today profile of Barack Obama as a Columbia alumnus.

•A Columbia College press release from November 2008 identifying him as "the first College alumnus to be elected President of the United States."
Finally, the fatal flaw in the "Obama didn't go to Columbia" theory is that he couldn't have been admitted to Harvard Law School in 1988 without having received an undergraduate degree. If he wasn't attending Columbia from 1981-83, he would have had to complete two full years' worth of coursework at (and graduate from) some other accredited college — yet his time between the end of his Columbia days in 1983 and his entering Harvard Law in 1988 is accounted for (working at the Business International Corporation and the New York Public Interest Research Group, then serving as director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago), and no other school claims him as an alumnus, nor does anyone purport to have encountered him as a classmate or student at any other college or university during that period. "

Go pound sand, eejits.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 11:51 AM

Tia....I dont have any links....could you please provide some.

I've been searching and I can only come up with some "trial" which was heard on the matter.

The years in question are from 81...84.

and there appears to have been a name change along the way....very strange, I thought you guys had a constitution.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 09:53 AM

Who Is Barack Obama?......

You mean you don't know??......Even before some of you adamantly supported him, and voted for him....and you're just NOW asking?????

Just ask Amos. I'm sure he knows every great thing about him!..maybe even convince me...but the fact this thread has arisen....makes ya' wonder.

Maybe Baracl Obama is who he always was....but you were blinded by some expectation, of WANTING to believe..in something..anything!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 11:03 PM

They are allowed to circulate it because they have paid for their bandwidth.
Of course he is in Columbia's records.
Did you even look at the links?
You may not follow Fox News, but you magically parrot them somehow.
Amazing that.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 06:08 PM

Is that "it"?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 05:21 PM

Columbia Records? Maybe you need to check with Mitch Miller.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 05:06 PM

Dont follow Fox news Tia.....But if this is all lies why are they allowed to circulate it .
Are there references to Mr Obama in Columbia's records?

I'm not trying to make any political point...just interested.
I honestly hadn't heard this.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: TIA
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 03:10 PM

"Surely Dems would be anxious to find some evidence and there are enough Dems on this forum.   I had not heard about this and find it fascinating.........Well???"

You have heard nothing because it is a stupid challenge. Maybe the Dems are too busy with real work to chase down all the ridiculous river of shit floaters that Faux News and its followers (you may not be one, but you are sure acting like one) set sailing with not a shred of real evidence.

Now go to Snopes and follow the links to interviews with roomates, professors, school newspaper articles, etc.

Well????? yourself Bucko!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 01:49 PM

Well!   what is the truth?....seems damned funny if there is no trace of him in Columbia's records.

Surely Dems would be anxious to find some evidence and there are enough Dems on this forum.   I had not heard about this and find it fascinating.........Well???

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 06:01 AM

Anything is possible.. did anyone see Peter Sellers last film called "Being There"? If you have not seen it then you should watch it for a laugh if nothing else...... It can change perceptions!

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 04:30 AM

In the words of Sarah Palin "NO one knows who he is! He is the worst and least vetted person to gain the office of the president!
NO one even looked into his past and he expected everyone to just believe what he wrote about himself with the help of some ghost writer.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 05:41 PM

Aah yes. the ATLAH trial back in May. Was supposed to be a real game-changer. Lots of really important new info. Lots of people finally spilling the real beans.

How'd that work out?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 05:32 PM

Very interesting.....but surely I should be simple to prove or disprove his attendance for 5yrs at Columbia?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 04:08 PM

Don(Wyziwyg) I tend to read quite a few articles on that particular site and have no problem suggesting others do too. Everyone has freedom of access to whatever information available but they also have freedom to believe whatever they want...... Should I no more believe what is in that article than believe what is in the press?? We only find out what we are fed in any case. That particular site can be an eye opener and if you look back over some of the very early articles you may see things 'suggested' which have become reality. I don't describe anyone elses take on anything as low grade bullshit unless I can adequately prove against it.............. Oh and I didn't call it info on Obama... it is info on Obama whether correct or incorrect.

PS I have nothing personally against Obama or America as a whole.............

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 03:55 PM

I found it interesting. It, if true, would sure explain a lot!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 02:43 PM

Mike, linking to that load of low grade bullshit and calling it info on Obama is unworthy of you.

The author is on an obvious mission to denigrate and destroy confidence in a Obama, and reading the whole of that rant it becomes obvious that it is a politically inspired exercise in the dissemination of scurrilous lies and misinformation.

It says much more about Manning and Fucks News than about the US President.

I'm surprised at you, and would have expected better.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 04:53 AM

Here is a bit of info on Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 03:57 AM

Hawk: "I think it's a bit of both, but it's true that the North American public at present are remarkably passive and are suckers for whatever delusions and appetites their mass media feeds them, so I think that it's mostly the system that is shaping the people nowadays rather than the other way around."

Was 'folk' protest songs in the mass media?..in the 60's? Think it shaped lives?..Well, some heard, some didn't, and some were annoyed. I find it more effective to write for, and about 'deeper things', or use images, that resonates with a wider group, as to get their attention, on whatever 'level' they first perceive the song... only to find it has a higher(deeper)meaning, that now causes the listener to address 'thinking', with the consideration of more considered aspects.
How many people lives or thinking gets influenced?? How far does it take them?..I think it may be up to them. Sometimes people send up these 'wishes' or 'curious thoughts'......then sometimes as an answer, out of seemingly nowhere, a song hits them at the right time..blows their socks off...sometimes not...ya' just gotta' throw it out there....and the audience will tell you if you got 'taste' or not.

Oh shit, got carried away there. Should send it to the 'Clarity' thread....Anyway, Little Hawk, I'm pretty sure you could follow that, and know exactly what I'm talking about.

Oh, who is Barack Obama?....... Does he play an instrument?

GfS
P.S. Yahoo Messenger?....unless there is another way.(It takes bigger files).

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 08:35 PM

No wonder we retirees will get no C.O.L.A. this year, or next!

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: DougR
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 07:12 PM

Guest, 999: I wish you had him too! Perhaps after 2012?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:34 PM

You can't be serious! Chongo has only 17 staff members and he has never enlisted the aid of the secret service at all...except for that time he got involved in stopping the German spy caper to steal America's atomic secrets.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:30 PM

So, why did he need 500 staff members and 200 secret service people in London?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:45 PM

Baram Obaka is Chongo Chimp's campaign finance manager for the 2012 campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:32 PM

More importantly, who the hell is Baram Obaka?

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:28 PM

999.....you're only or'nary in the American sense.   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:16 PM

Hmmm. Okay, are the people shaped by the system? Or is the system shaped by the people? Or is it both?

I think it's a bit of both, but it's true that the North American public at present are remarkably passive and are suckers for whatever delusions and appetites their mass media feeds them, so I think that it's mostly the system that is shaping the people nowadays rather than the other way around.

Now, in the case of the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution you had a situation where the people (some of them) took matters into their own hands (under the leadership of a few political firebrands, idealists, and rabble-rousers) and brought the ruling system down. Such things can happen when the general public gets really desperate. People aren't that desperate yet in North America. I think they will have to get that desperate before the system makes really significant changes for the better.

Significant changes for the worse, on the other hand....those can emanate quite readily from the system as it is, I think....or could emanate from the people too, because the people will sometimes support an absolutely terrible government if they're scared enough about something.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 01:52 PM

Little Hawk: "The problem isn't Obama or Bush. The problem is a great imperial system that has long passed its apogee and is now teetering down the descending slope of decadence and bankruptcy."

I tend to greatly agree with you, except I don't blame the system, but rather the corrupted compromises that tend to allure the public's sense of entitlement(s). ..and by that, I don't mean 'entitlement programs', but rather the public's laziness to think someone else will take care of them, and do their thinking for them!....and that's the trade-off. Now we have both sides selling us a bad bill of goods, and remedies that earlier bad policies created...only compounding the problem, till we have a ruling class, in Washington, that is irrecognizable, to the original principles, of government getting OUT of the way of the common citizen, but rather protecting a land where common folk could live, and pursue their personal goals and dreams, for themselves, families, and communities. Now we have a giant, intrusive, all controlling tyranny, of sorts, that dictate what SHOULD be our hopes, and dreams, and limitations of creative thinking! Shame on them, and shame on those who buy into it, and shame on those who promote it!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 12:56 PM

Basketball is a far simpler game, Bobert.

I think, as Akenaton suggested, that Obama is simply doing pretty much what the powers-that-be are allowing him to do. He's not the boss. He's the figurehead. The system of power that exists all around him is the boss, because it just goes on and on while he is merely temporary. And what is power? From where does it derive? From money, that's where. They with the most money ARE the power that rules, that fields armies, that builds A-bombs, that passes laws, and that determines policy. And so it has ever been.

A given president can have some effect on that through the force of his own personality and his ideas about things...but only to a limited extent. He's on a short leash. Within the reach of that leash he can affect things to a degree, but only as far as the leash will stretch. Beyond that, he is a puppet of the system that put him in place and will still be there when he's gone.

What I'd say about Obama is that he's been less effective within that short leash than I'd have hoped he would have been. But I wasn't expecting any miracles, that's for sure. I am not surprised by how little has really changed since Bush left and Obama came in. It's about what I would have expected (though I did hope for more).

The problem isn't Obama or Bush. The problem is a great imperial system that has long passed its apogee and is now teetering down the descending slope of decadence and bankruptcy.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 12:17 PM

""artbrooks statement is racist hatemongering and bigoted crap""

Knee jerk reaction to an uncomfortable truth PDQ?

Or maybe you can rebut the statement that redneck right wing USA does indeed tend to believe that brown or black skin colour can disqualify its owner from right wing society and, hopefully, public office.

I cannot see how that statement by artbrooks fits any conceivable definition of bigotry.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 07:09 AM

Yeah, if he approached being president with the same courage and tenacity as he does playing basketball then there would be no question about where he stands for extending the tax cuts to the rich... I mean, what are a few stitches now and then???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 05:42 AM

Amen!

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 03:24 AM

He is whomever 'they' tell you he is...and depending on the slant of the source, will be the collective opinion of him.

To some, he is too far left, to others, right of center, to some 'Mr.Too Brilliant', to others a foreigner, to some, an opportunist, to some, a front-man puppet, To some, the best thing since sliced bread.
It really depends on who YOU WANT him to be.

I was never 'wowed' by him, but I thought it fair to give him some time before I made up my mind further.....so far, I'm underwhelmed. What is more scary is the re-action to him, one way or another.

One thing, most of his closest top White House 'advisers', are bailing, for one reason or another, his policies continue Bush's(for the most part), he has fallen down on several things, and the consensus of the public were made known in this last election...not to mention the jobs(?), unaccounted for stimulus money, and a health care bill that should have been READ and/or worked over a bit, BEFORE it was rammed through the Houses.
It does this country NO GOOD to have a President who does not have the confidence of the people, and now even his fellow Democrat supporters.
Now that being said, I, myself, in this post, have not made a 'value judgment' on him one way or another...though I have been inclined in the past, to do so.....besides, as things are right now, it will be the PEOPLE of this country who will eventually pull us out of the messes, that the Government and Big Business and Globalists got us into...hopefully.. unless they screw(ed) it up beyond repair!...not any singular POLITICIAN!...or slick spokesman for weird agendas!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: LadyJean
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 11:52 PM

I will tell you something about Mr. Obama I'm not supposed to know.
His former pastor, the firebrand Fox News made such a fuss about, was sued for slander.

Obama is an attorney. But he didn't handle the case. The pastor had to pay, and pay a lot, for his defense.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 08:29 PM

Do they really want a president who isn't any smarter than the average American? In light of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, the popularity of Palin and the results of the recent election , I'd say the answer is no.

What they REALLY want is someone considerably stupider than the average American, so they can feel superior.

Oh, ye nation of morons.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:29 PM

Before he was elected and during all the euphoria, I said that he would change what he was allowed to change.
I was ridiculed by most of the "liberals"....like who's going to tell the President of the USA how much he can change.

Well now we all know.....the fuckin' boss!!

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:22 PM

Interesting comment I heard recently in response to complaints that Obama has not yet solved all the problems of the world.

Beware! Some will howl that this is racist. Okay, so be it!!

"This is not the first time that a black man has been stuck with the job of cleaning up an unholy mess made by a white man!"

(Okay, take your best shot!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:16 PM

People who toss out that "elitist" label really mean "smart". Do they really want a president who isn't any smarter than the average American? It explains why some less-than-genius candidates end up winning, but I can't believe people wouldn't want someone smart running the country.

During the campaign, one criticism I heard was that people who supported him were giving him the "rock star" treatment, and they would be disillusioned when he didn't perform miracles. I think there are people who feel that way now, but it's pretty stupid to have expected miracles, especially considering his foes wanted him to fail just because their guy didn't win. Now the RepubliTeaCons criticize him because he didn't perform miracles while they fought him every step of the way.

Our political processes are not set up to be effective making things better for the country. I think if ANY president manages to get anything positive done, it IS a miracle.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: gnu
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 07:14 PM

Kinda hard to solve all the shit, in no time, that rained down before he became Pres. Maybe he will solve some of it ake. Hope he does, just to piss you off.

Subject: RE: BS: Who Is Barack Obama?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 06:59 PM

He may talk like he knows what he's talkin' about.....but actions speak louder than words!

Drone warfare? More troops for Afghanistan? The Palistinian question?