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Subject: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 10:59 AM

I heard on BBC radio that this year has been the warmest on record from the average temperatures and this 'proves' man made global warming. It may well prove global warming but they didn't include the logical steps to show that it was man made. To me and probably most listeners 'this year' started on January 1st 2010 and the Met Office's anouncement was on November 25th. In other words they haven't include the end bit of the year (1/12 not a day or two) which has proved to be much the coldest part by far. Did the Met Office know what was coming and this was another Government softening up of the tax payer ready for the VAT increases next year? If the Met Office were privatised and the oil companies bought the major shares would the figures be twisted to show this was the coldest year on record? It certainly feels lke it at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: EBarnacle
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 12:13 PM

Just as in the discussion on water, I recommend the December 2010 issue of The Atlantic for its discussion of coal, co2 and climate change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 12:27 PM

Ok, so the planet can (and will) look after itself eventually. It is a fact that plankton have more effect than those made "in his image."

However, we have accelerated global warming and the influence of man is the cause of the acceleration. That is not a moot point, it is just a fact. Not there for political or economic argument, (other than accepting that politics and economics can help slow down the effects,) and no amount of selective reporting or plain crap will alter the fact.

I have a mate who was in denial about his drug problem. Jeremy Clarkson is in climate denial, same thing. Are there others too? How can someone cure themselves? Mainly by accepting that global warming is not a fallacy concocted to raise VAT. (Heard everything now.)

Yes, governments will use any convenience to justify their ends. Thrones and pulpits have found convenient explanations of natural phenomena since time began.

But that doesn't mean the earth isn't getting a healthy glow, 'cos it is. Cold winters? This particular snap is due to the jetstream moving a bit further from course than normal. Why? A bit hotter south of here than is normal. You are at liberty to ignore that, as I read it on the Met Office website.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: pdq
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 12:33 PM

People believe what they hear and see in the media.

The ones who control the media control the people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:55 PM

"I heard on BBC radio" ?
Who was it that said that this 'proves' man made global warming?

No reputable scientist would ever had claimed this. Global warming refers to climate, rather than one year's average temperatures.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 02:59 PM

Noreen, that was said by a presenter, newsreader or reporter (not the science crrespondent) on BBC Radio 4 on the Today programme. And yes you are right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 04:04 PM

However, we have accelerated global warming and the influence of man is the cause of the acceleration. That is not a moot point, it is just a fact. Not there for political or economic argument,
Too true, Steamin' Willie.

There again political & economic arguments are not the point. Those have only anything to do with convincing people what mitigating action to take.

Unfortunately the matter is still open to scientific argument (even if you do believe that stating that it is a moot point will prevent anyone taking an oppsing view). Those who are paid by the Global Warming side of the argument have proven themselves blinkered. Even if you do believe all they say, is Global Warming automatically bad?
Only a few years ago scientists were telling us we were heading for a new Ice Age. Perhaps we have only just managed to avoid that by increased warming. Time will tell.

I certainly don't have all the answers, but I doubt that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has all the answers either. And I don't believe that they are prepared to look at all the questions!


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 05:29 PM

It's obvious to me. 6B+ humans. It's the methane from the farts. Spaw alone may be responsible for much of the global swarming.

The solution is simple. Don't fart. Tighten up yer cheeks and walk it off. Take one for the team eh? Errr, don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 03:16 AM

To me man made global warming is non proven. But what I object to is the government feeding us with short statements that are suspect or nonsense in the belief that, if hear them often enough, we will eventually come to believe them and accept the government policies to come. Remember 'WMD's'; every time I turned the radio on I used to hear WMD's over and over again. Well we all know where that led. It's the same with 'dangerous climate change'; note the unnecessary adjective. Now it's 'the deficit'. Another I heard recently (same source) was that more than half the children are below the average reading age for their age.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: G-Force
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 07:04 AM

"That is not a moot point, it is just a fact."

That is not an argument, it is just a crude atempt to shut down debate. We learnt a year or so ago in those leaked e-mails that the evidence for manmade global warming is not just false but deliberately falsified.

Pretty much settles it for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 08:39 AM

of course it isn't a crude attempt to shut down debate.

The debate over the extent global warming is exacerbated is one to be had. But to say global warming doesn't exist is to say the earth is flat.

Now.. I will enjoy debate with flat earth dudes but all them time I will be pointing and laughing. the same with global warming. it exists, so no debate needed for the principle, but a hell of a lot for the detail.

Can't argue bollocks, you just end up with both sides talking bollocks. And for once, I have fact on my side. I intend to enjoy such status.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Rumncoke
Date: 29 Nov 10 - 09:02 AM

As I approach retirement - (if the age ever actually arrives, I have already been told I must soldier on for more than a year past the date I expected) - I will enjoy seeing the buds on my apple trees and next doors plum break a little earlier most years, hearing the warcries of the lttle birds grow strident earlier, and tending the grapes on my outdoor vine, now that they are becoming ripe almost every year.

I shall be most disappointed if after spending 30 years in the same place and watching the seasons change, it all turns out to be just some little blip and we go back to later Springs and earlier Autumns.

I don't think grape vines can be disappointed, such life is ever hopeful, but I did think that in the first year of the new millenium it looked a bit smug and 'told you so' after 20 years of failing to produce a single edible grape. I won't be doing much with two bunches of tart black grapes in a good year - other than proving a point.

Perhaps I ought to cut a hole into the conservatory and train the vine through it, so it can take advantage of the shelter and the heat of Summers yet to come.

Anne


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 05:05 AM

Debate? A climate debate is a creation by oil companies in response to facts they want to challenge and debunk.

Lets debate if there is such a thing as light.

To a blind person this might be a worthwhile debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 05:35 AM

It's so hard to know what's happening when various interests influence the media. Here's some interesting research into the backgrounds of scientists opposing global warming, looking at the previous stances they took on other controversial issues.. scientists against global warming also said tobacco was safe, denied acid rain a


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Stu
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 06:18 AM

"We learnt a year or so ago in those leaked e-mails that the evidence for manmade global warming is not just false but deliberately falsified."

Ah, the Sarah Palin school of climate science. Or, lack of science as it should be. There was no falsifying of information and the evidence, were you to read any number of scientific papers on climate history you might realise that there is a near universal consensus amongst climate scientists that anthropogenic climate change is a fact (the skeptics charges are summed up and addressed here and here, I'm sure there are many other links available). The mechanisms of change are not entirely clear; however this doesn't mean change can't be observed and interpreted.

The real issue of Climategate was the need for more transparency and openness with regards to how climate science is conducted (the same could be said for many scientific disciplines) and these criticism will be taken on board to prevent a repeat of the whole Climategate charade.

The main problem facing us now is the resistance to regulation by those with vested interests in the energy market, who have distorted the argument by questioning the validity of data which is actually sound and even suggesting redefining how the peer review process works - a rigorous process designed to ensure that published research is unbiased and based on established scientific methodology which eschews fanciful speculation and 'making the facts fit'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 07:14 AM

As far as I'm concerned, man-made global warming is a fact. The evidence is overwhelming. Unprecedented rapid rate of warming correlates with unprecedented rapid increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and methane. That doesn't add up to truth but it does add up to a position in which deniers lack all credibility.

But suppose for a minute that there was considerable scope for doubt (which I don't accept, but let's suppose). What would our moral obligation be? To do nothing until it was "proven?" I don't think so. We would have to act anyway, just as determinedly as if we were certain. Not to act would be justified only in the event of comprehensive evidence that our activities were having no effect. Not only is there no comprehensive evidence to that effect, there is no evidence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: TIA
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 10:21 AM

Steve Shaw nails it. It is called the "Precautionary Principle".
It goes something like this: if there is a great risk, it is wise to not wait for the science to become 100% certain before acting to mitigate it. In fact, science by its very nature is never certain, so we use the precautionary principle all the time.
Let's say that there is a 1% chance that the children's tylenol you have been giving your kid is tainted. You would stop right?
Let's say there is a 0.5% chance that the inexpensive baby formula you have been using is tainted. You would spend extra for something else wouldn't you?

So why do so many people shut down this part of their brain when it comes to the risks to our kids associated with rapid anthropogenic climate change?


Politics.
Right-wing blowhard brainwashing.
That's why.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 12:36 PM

Steve Shaw & TIA make the point I would..

To me, the point is "err on the side of caution"...and no matter what the precise % is of man-made warming, we will be better off for the efforts to combat it! Less CO2 and less digging for fossil fuels and all the rest will be GOOD....and I frankly don't care that it will reduce profits for some pollutors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: TIA
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 01:31 PM

Great point Bill.

So, we stop using so much coal to generate electricity, and as an added side benefit, we reduce acid mine drainage, sulfur dioxide and nitrrogen dioxide emissions (even ignoring CO2 for a moment), we obviate mountaintop removal, there is less risk of black lung disease, less risk of coal washing impoundment failures (remember the Tug River disaster a few uears back?)...

All good right? Even if climate change is a hoax.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 01:36 PM

The problems with the science here is that some are asking for 100% proof that can be readily be packaged for consumption by even the caviest of cavemen... That isn't going to occur and if that is what we are waiting for before we act to change the ways that we live, then we may very well keep living the way we do and push human beings up the endangered species list...

I mean, people have a right to believe whatever they want and one thing is for sure and that is a certain percentage of people will continue believing mythology after the 100% proof has been shown them because they won't believe the science... You know, kinda like creationism???

Oh well???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 02:16 PM

There are three places one can put garbage. In the water, on or in the land or in the air. I don`t see how stopping that would be a bad thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Stu
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 02:47 PM

Spot on Bill!


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 10 - 03:57 PM

I'm with 'em too, Bill. Good stuff. Bet you thought you'd never hear me say that... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 12:06 AM

Here in Brisbane, we have had the first Spring in recorded history without a single day over 30 deg C, thanks to Global Warming.

All fits in nicely with the predictions of Climate Change.

Well, you see, the Ocean to the East is much warmer than usual, meaning that massive increased evaporation had caused almost non stop cloud cover over South East Qld and northern NSW, lowering the air temperature, keeping the clouds there instead of driving them away as normal. El Nina.

When the flip back to El Nino occurs we will have lower sea temperatures, and higher land temperatures again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 10:03 AM

The weather was a lot better before scientists invented this 'ere global warming, can we have it back please.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 10 - 10:18 AM

Here in Cornwall today, the effects of global warming are clear. You now die after 2 min. 20 sec. waiting at a bus stop. Ten years ago it would have been 2 min. 11 sec.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:10 AM

"The weather was a lot better before scientists invented this 'ere global warming, can we have it back please."

Typical Attitude of Climate Change Deniers


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:52 AM

I don't know where you are Foolestroupe but here in the UK certainly since the winter of 2007/8 each successive winter has been longer and colder than the previous one, and the summers shorter and colder, this winter 2010/11 has started off with the heaviest snowstorms and lowest temperatures for 30 years or more, so at first glance it would appear that certainly the UK is getting colder.

By the way, do you understand ' irony ' ?

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 03:54 AM

And Baldrics answer to the irony question is not allowed.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 04:18 AM

Thanks for confirming global warming, Dave.

The gradual drift of the gulf stream and the jet stream affects UK weather, so colder winters are an effect of global warming..

ZZZZZ


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 04:30 AM

Ah yes Willie, this is what the theorists are not telling us, we are facing a new ice age, although theoretically warmer, Ive just seen todays Yorkshire Post headline, heaviest snowfalls in parts of Yorkshire for a HUNDRED years.

I do believe in climate change.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 04:49 AM

"so at first glance it would appear that certainly the UK is getting colder."

Exactly as per the GW/CC predictions. As the GW model says the warming component affecting the melting of the northern ice will slow down and eventually stop the warmth being taken up your way by the Gulf Stream, making the bog hole you live in very cold ....

GW does not mean that EVERYTHING gets warmer. Which is WHY the name has been changed to stop the uneducated getting confused - the thing is that as the whole system 'warms', the total energy increases. As this happens, the system gets more turbulent, making for greater extremes of heat and cold in spots. The shutdown of the Gulf Stream is suspected to have happened before, as it increases/decreases, the temperature of places like Great Britain and Greenland/Iceland goes up and down.

Dave h - I did study Blacksmithing - does that help? :-P


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 04:57 AM

BTW, if this extreme cold effect IS going to happen for the next century or so, then it would seem a good idea for planning for this to happen...

Failing to plan, is planning to fail.

So the country should seriously think about actually shutting down for times like this - transport nonviable, surviving in isolation for weeks, water, food, warmth, not trying to go to work or shop, etc


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:51 AM

We appear to be approaching the point at which it doesn't much matter whether warming is caused by humans.

Decreases in glacial ice are pretty well documented.

Ocean warming is reasonably indicated.

Droughts in several parts of the world are near the point of outstripping the loss of vegetation caused by clear cutting and burning forests for agriculture.

Permafrost is thawing.

We know that increased CO2 will increase warming.

Melting of glaciers and winter ice are very likely to increase drought effects. The loss of vegetation due to drought and thawing of the permafrost may be near the tipping point where those two effects alone will release more sequestered CO2 faster than current man generated amounts. If that point is reached, the warming will continue even if human kind is extinguished tomorrow, and no method is known for re-sequestering the CO2 amounts that will be released, at a rate adequate to stop the rise.

Current analytical methods are not adequate to give estimates that don't allow some debate about how far up the curve we are already; but quite a few people now believe that "we ain't far from where it's out of our hands completely."

It is very likely that we are in a "positive feedback" acceleration, where the further (and faster) we go, the faster and further we will be driven by effects we can't turn off.

It may be time to teach the cockroaches how to write, if we wish to leave a history for whatever re-populates the neighborhood, although that may not be really necessary as nature doesn't really require literacy, and will continue quite happily with simpler critters who are less troublesome.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 07:54 AM

I'm not planning to live for a hundred years, that's a fact and by the way, without this ' bog hole ' that I live in a lot of privilaged people all over the world ie. the good old US of A, Australia and New Zealand etc. wouldn't be the places they are now, mind this may or may not be a good thing.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 08:59 AM

I don't know where you are Foolestroupe but here in the UK certainly since the winter of 2007/8 each successive winter has been longer and colder than the previous one, and the summers shorter and colder, this winter 2010/11 has started off with the heaviest snowstorms and lowest temperatures for 30 years or more, so at first glance it would appear that certainly the UK is getting colder.

That may be your impression but it's not true. The last two winters have been cooler than the long-term average but that follows a trend over several decades of winters getting progressively milder. The last few summers haven't been good in terms of long, settled spells, but all have had temperatures above the long-term mean. Of course, they were cooler than the truly exceptional summers of 2003 and 2006, but that doth not make a trend. For a number of years now we've been having warm, earlier springs and mild autumns. All information that can be gleaned from the Met Office website. What we're currently experiencing is weather, which is not the same thing as climate at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 01:09 PM

When I was a boy the summers were long and hot and we only had snow on Christmas Day. I think....


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 01:31 PM

The UK is getting colder because the polar ice cap is melting and cooling what's left of the Gulf stream over there. In time it will cause the stream to stop reaching the UK, then you will see what global warming is. There is no doubt that the USA is getting warmer. Temps in the 40s and 50s in Maine in December is unheard of.
Of course this is all theory, and I'll simply ignore it and go to the beach on Christmas day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 07:57 PM

No, the UK is not getting colder. Facts are checkable. Warmth in Maine in December is weather, not climate. This sort of loose, cloudy thinking is exactly the sort of thing that climate scientists are up against.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 08:12 AM

In Australia, our average temperatures have increased 0.9°C since 1950, with significant regional variations. The frequency of hot days and nights has increased and the frequency of cold days and nights has declined.

Global sea levels rose by about 17 cm during the 20th century, and by around 10 cm from 1920-2000 at the Australian coastal sites monitored. Substantial warming has also occurred in the three oceans surrounding Australia, particularly off the south-east coast and in the Indian Ocean..

.. it's happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 08:20 AM

As I have said previously, this is the first year in recorded history in Qld that Brisbane has had Spring with no day of 30 deg C or above. We have had almost constant cloud cover, to the extent that I slid into SAD.... look at a chart to see the El Nino/Nina effect in action, greatly intensified recently due to greater Southern pacific surface temperature increases - all in line with the predictions...


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 01:58 PM

It's El Nino and La Nina, Foules !! Sorry, had to say that,mate !. Anyway, I belong to the "Gulf Stream Deflection " school of thought.I first read about it some years ago,and remember being impressed by the logic of why our country, although geographically on a similar latitude to Canada, Korea,etc,had much milder winters due to the warming effect,on our surrounding ocean waters,of the Gulf Stream. The idea that melting of the North Polar ice cap,with its resultant effect on ocean currents,could influence climatic conditions in countries such as the UK,seemed to be perfectly plausible. Add to that a northward "swing" of the "jetstream" over Britain, and one could see how cold we might become ! Like now,for example !
            Of course, we in Centrally Heated Britain have got very "soft" over the last 30-40 years, turning up the heating to 20 or more degrees at the first sign of a slight frost, when all one might need to do is to be a bit more active,and wear warmer clothing.
And what is the end result of all this vastly increased gas consumption / combustion ?? Well ,I think we can all guess correctly just where that might lead us !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 02:21 PM

Here's a big problem...

If a 1000 scientists get together and agree that human behavior is contributing to global warming and it get reported on the news then the report is followed with dissenting opinion even tho the the dissenters make up only 1% of the science community...

Bottom line: The average person watching the news thinks it 50/50 and therefore it's alot easier for that person to not accept the real science...

The media needs to get it's head out of big oil's ass...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 07:44 PM

Floods in Queensland, Australia, 2011

Adjusting the pitch on climate change


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 07:51 PM

But we may know that something is strange about our climate, f-troupe, but until we get 100% of thr scientists on board, not 99%, then no one really cares... I repeat what I last said... The 1% are as powerful as the 99% because that is who gets "equal time" every time that any news agency bothers to talk about global warming...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: andrew e
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 10:02 PM

http://www.weatheraction.com/

Seems to me climate has changed over thousands of years anyway. There was an ice age so we are told. So how did it warm up? There were no cars etc. then!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

I'm no scientist, but I smell something!


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: andrew e
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 10:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnuGknq_QQ8

Piers Corbyn

I was looking for this one before!


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 10:49 PM

Yep, there's the yawping 1%.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 08:11 AM

Am I dreaming or did I read recently that one of The USA advisors on climate is on record as saying the weather cannot get too bad because God promised Noah he wouldn't send another flood?

Mind you, I'm not laughing too hard because as has been stated above, the 1% get equal billing. or more than equal judging by some of thee crap coming out. Still laughing at the reaction to my stating a fact earlier in this thread and being told off for stifling debate by stating "facts."

Keep banging the rocks together.............


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: acegardener
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 09:13 AM

I do my bit to lower the temperature by leaving my fridge door open for 10 minutes a day, if we all done this, problem solved.

But seriously there is something going on and it's scary, but when they done their measurements did they deduct Icelands natural contribution which must have negated all our efforts this year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Met Office Proves Manmade Global Warming
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 12:30 PM

The official position of the Australian Government, published on the Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology website, is:

"Australia and the globe are experiencing rapid climate change. Since the middle of the 20th century, Australian temperatures have, on average, risen by about 1°C with an increase in the frequency of heatwaves and a decrease in the numbers of frosts and cold days. Rainfall patterns have also changed - the northwest has seen an increase in rainfall over the last 50 years while much of eastern Australia and the far southwest have experienced a decline."

and

"•Warming of the climate system is unequivocal
•Humans are very likely to be causing most of the warming that has been experienced since 1950
•It is very likely that changes in the global climate system will continue well into the future, and that they will be larger than those seen in the recent past.
These changes have the potential to have a major impact on human and natural systems throughout the world including Australia."


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