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Are most composers smokers?

MGM·Lion 03 Dec 10 - 08:56 AM
Chris B (Born Again Scouser) 03 Dec 10 - 09:06 AM
Jeri 03 Dec 10 - 09:11 AM
MGM·Lion 03 Dec 10 - 09:33 AM
John MacKenzie 03 Dec 10 - 09:40 AM
tritoneman 03 Dec 10 - 09:56 AM
bobad 03 Dec 10 - 10:02 AM
MGM·Lion 03 Dec 10 - 10:03 AM
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GUEST,999 03 Dec 10 - 09:48 PM
GUEST,bankley 03 Dec 10 - 10:05 PM
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Stower 04 Dec 10 - 06:53 AM
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GUEST,Rory Sutherland 06 Dec 10 - 07:02 AM
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Subject: Are most composers smokers?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 08:56 AM

"Nicotine itself is clearly rather a good drug. An appetite suppressant and an antidepressant, it is also an aid to protracted creative thought — since Bach wrote 'So oft ich meine Tobackspfeife' (BWV 515a) in 1725 it is hard to name a single worthwhile piece of music written by a non-smoker."

Thus The Spectator's IT correspondent Rory Sutherland in this week's {4 Dec} issue of the magazine. Does anyone know, or can anyone guess, where he purports to get such a statistic from? And is it the general opinion on Mudcat that it is true? Anyone know for sure which composers have been smokers? & if so, how?

♥♫❤Michael❤♫♥


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:06 AM

Joni Mitchell used to smoke like a chimney. Don't know if she still does. Steve Earle isn't nearly as good since he gave up drugs. Christy Moore made much better records when he was drinking. Are most composers smokers? Damned if I know. I don't smoke and I can't write songs to save my life. Mind you, I couldn't when I was smoking either.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:11 AM

I'm pretty sure Joni still smokes.

Michael, you started that thread about mental illness and creativity. I think addictive personalities fit into the "mental illness" category, although smoking's not as socially unacceptable as other forms. I'm not sure I agree with that article.

Nobody is born smoking and it doesn't seem unreasonable to think the main difference between smokers and non-smokers is that non-smokers never tried it in the first place. What did all the composers do before they could get their hands on tobacco?


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:33 AM

"Michael, you started that thread about mental illness and creativity"===

I don't think I did, Jeri. Pretty sure that was someone else's thread, Mind you, my memory isn't what it was ··· but I think I should have recalled that.

~M~


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:40 AM

This is what smoking can lead to, so be warned.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: tritoneman
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:56 AM

Sydney Carter wrote some rather good songs including My Last Cigarette - but did he actually smoke??


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: bobad
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:02 AM

Mozart started composing at five, that would explain his short stature.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:03 AM

I didn't know Sydney Carter well, but used to meet him fairly regularly at the Hampstead flat of friends who used to hold a monthly 'At Home'; and my recollection is that he didn't smoke. (Tho my recollection also is that Sheila Hancock, who was the most noted singer of that particular song, and whom I knew for a time when she was with the Cambridge Theatre Company, did ~~ but it's hard after all this time to be certain in either case.}

I agree with you that that was one of Sydney's best songs.

~M~


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:08 AM

Mozart is now decomposing, maybe that's because he smoked?


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:15 AM

Michael, mea culpa--you're right. It's from a link I saw on Facebook. Scientific American: "The Mad Artist's Brain: The Connection between Creativity and Mental Illness".

One too many social networks...


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: tritoneman
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:20 AM

Yes, I do remember Sheila Hancock singing My Last Cigarette.
I vaguely remember seeing Sydney Carter perform it on television. As I recall it, he gasped out the lines between drags on a cigarette - to great effect!


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 08:55 PM

Cigarettes and coffee, the sacrament of composers!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:09 PM

I don't have any factual basis for saying so, but it seems to me that creative people tend to be addictive.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: olddude
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:32 PM

my answer would be yes ... every single person I know that does


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:32 PM

That's been my experience, too, Joe.

My brother smoked a pipe, a long time ago, but most of his composing: three symphonies, three piano concertos, concerto grosso, symphonic tone poem, an opera and various other piano works were all done without any nicotine of any kind. I'll have to ask him about Roy Harris, the American composer whom he studied with.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:48 PM

Do you smoke after sex?

I don`t know, I never looked!


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:05 PM

do composters smoke ?


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:25 PM

Do smokers compost?


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 11:44 PM

John Mackenzie has it right. Most composers are dead.   That must be why.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Stower
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 06:53 AM

Rory Sutherland is a very silly man who shows no critical thinking in his completely baseless assertion. Isn't that bloomin' obvious?


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: erosconpollo
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 09:38 AM

Nicotine is supposedly a 'stimulus barrier' drug that helps one tune out the distractions. Maybe why cigarettes became so common in busy office environments.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,Rory Sutherland
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:02 AM

I may be very silly but my assertion is not baseless.

Other than Straight-Edge punk, no-one seems to have come up with many exceptions.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: BobKnight
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:13 AM

Many of the great composers may have been smokers, but so was nearly everyone else back then. Conclusion: there must be hundreds, if not millions of undiscovered musical masterpieces out there somewhere!!!

The man's a fool.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:59 AM

~~~Thus The Spectator's IT correspondent Rory Sutherland in this week's {4 Dec} issue of the magazine. Does anyone know, or can anyone guess, where he purports to get such a statistic from?~~~

This from my opriginal post on this thread. Rory Sutherland, now that you have yourself discovered it, and posted to it ~~ how about answering my perfectly pertinent question. If anybody can, you can.

~Michael~
Speccie subscriber, oft-time letter-writer, occasional crossword & competition winner, &c &c...


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,Vernal
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 08:01 AM

Austrian composer Anton Webern was mistakenly shot by an American soldier while smoking a cigar on the porch of his home. Proof that smoking kills?


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 08:06 AM

Are you sure he wasn't conducting some of his music at the time?   Have you heard any of his music?    Perhaps there are extenuating circumstances.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 09:00 AM

Most garbage collectors I know smoke. Are they better garbage collectors because they smoke? Most composers used to wear smoking jackets. Maybe it was the jacket?

I've never smoked cigarettes, but then I'm a songwriter, not a composer. Someone told me that if I was happy I couldn't write anymore. Dang!!! That's bs, too. I think my songwriting has improved and I am more prolific. If I can't write blues songs, so be it. Not that I ever did, anyway. I'll make that sacrifice.

People have all sorts of silly theories about creativity. Drugs may indeed open new doors for musicians, although I've never tried them. The dark side of that is that so many musicians who use drugs heavily end up dead before they reach thirty. Those who have a long career usually have it because they stoped taking drugs.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 12:34 PM

Puccini - 200 smokes a day - died of throat cancer - wrote "La Boheme", "Turandot", "Madame Butterfly"...


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 04:09 PM

If this is to be any sort of discussion, many more details are needed:

1. What appeared to be the intent of Rory's statement? Was it meant to be taken as a casual observation or as some sort of scientific (or quasiscientific) assertion to prove a "serious" point?
2. What do we mean by "composers"? Time period? Genre? Geography?
3. Is nicotine the focus, or the act of smoking?
4. Is the smoking part of a "lifestyle"? In whatever period/place we are talking about, what percentage of ALL people smoked? ("Most composers had two arms.")
5. Is alertness or creativity the focus? How do we judge levels of creativity?
6. How are we judging artistic worth?
7. Lots/loads more...

Since none of these are being addressed, I assume the statement is meant as just something conversational....something that asks us, in the context of a given "conversation," to indulge the speaker and accept his various assumptions and to be, above all, sympathetic. My instinct tells me that the appropriate response is, "Huh, that's interesting. Yeah, a lot of composers [white males of a leisure class of the 19th-20th centuries in Western countries who sit down and put dots on paper???] have been smokers. Maybe you're right!"


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Tootler
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:35 PM

I'm a composer in a small way and I don't smoke.

I believe that this business about drugs enhancing creativity is codswallop. In fact being high on something has the opposite effect - it dulls your creativity and worse, it dulls your judgment.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 09:58 PM

I deduce from the question marks after his description that the poster who defined composers as "white males of the leisure class..." does not himself accept that definition.

I certainly hope so.   

1)   There were lots of composers before the 19th century, as I suspect we all know.

2)    Before Beethoven, of those whose music has survived, most were not of the "leisure class".   Usually in fact, considered of the "servant class"--and treated as such. Even after Beethoven most composers would not have considered themselves "of the leisure class"
--most had a hard time economically.

Only if a poster thought that classical music was primarily the field of dilettantes who had time to kill-- thus could dabble in music-- would he hazard a definition like the "leisure class" one.    Possible aim of said poster::   to contrast the effete results of classical composers' efforts with salt- of- the- earth good honest folk music.    Not that any Mudcatter would want to do that, of course.

Very few composers had as solid a day job as Frederick the Great did.

Ah well, we can hope the whole thing was just arch irony.    Again, not that any Mudcatter would want to do that.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Stower
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 03:10 AM

Gibb, I was about to address similar questions to Rory as you. I'd also like to know, of his assertion that "it is hard to name a single worthwhile piece of music written by a non-smoker":

1. By what process do we discern what a "worthwhile piece of music" is, so that we can know the quality of smokers' against non-smokers' music?

2. Who did the survey of composers to find the percentage of smokers to non-smokers? I'd like the researcher, date, journal, time-frame, genre(s), geographical location, please. There would have to be many, many surveys, since we are discussing all music everywhere in all times.

3. It would also be helpful to know what constitutes a smoker. Do ex-smokers count who have recently packed it in? If so, how long ago? Do smokers count if they only smoke socially, say, one or two a week with friends? Should we factor in smokers who cannot compose any longer because they are (a) coughing up their lungs in a hospital bed - or (b) dead?

4. Has there been a meta-study conducted of all the other studies on this matter? Since the assertion is that "it is hard to name a *single* worthwhile piece of music written by a non-smoker", it may be easier to collate and process data from previous research (from all periods of history on all continents involving all genres of music).

5. On a related question, have any double-blind trials been conducted on the issue of smoking, creativity and "worthwhile" music? I would imagine it would have to involve three groups of composers - smokers, non-smokers, a control group - locked away in rooms for 48 hours to compose. The scientists or the study's listening participants would then have to discern which pieces of music were "worthwhile" but without, of course, knowing whether the composer was a smoker, a non-smoker, or a control, and the study's originators would have to have resolved issue #1 above.

Scientists would then have reliable raw data with which to judge the veracity of Rory's assertion. Still not sure we can have a 100% reliable definition of "worthwhile", though, so the study may be flawed.

I look forward to reading the research. I'm doing some research of my own. I can't think of a single worthwhile piece of music that wasn't written by a vegetarian or a vegan.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,Rory Sutherland
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 07:14 PM

Here are the two relevant paragraphs. The point I was making is that environmentalists seem to resist the technological fix of nuclear power because it is too "easy". They seemingly prefer the environmental issue to be solved with more radical (and involuntary) changes in all our lifestyles. In the same way I am intrigued to see how the anti-smoking lobby will react to the invention of the electronic cigarette - a relatively harmless way of enjoying a nicotine hit.


Quote: This emphasis on signalling "how much you care" infects environmental debates too. The odd disdain environmentalists show towards easier technological fixes such as geoengineering or nuclear power makes me suspicious (rightly or wrongly) of the whole movement. It seems what campaigners want is not so much a solution as a lifetime of Lent. "This is a massive issue," the thinking goes, "so we must dignify it with a correspondingly large intervention."

Quote: Observe, too, how the possible technological fix of e-smoking will soon be met by health campaigners. Nicotine itself is clearly rather a good drug. An appetite suppressant and an antidepressant, it is also an aid to protracted creative thought – since Bach wrote So oft ich meine Tobackspfeife (BWV 515a) in 1725 it is hard to name a single worthwhile piece of music written by a non-smoker. No, the problem is not the drug but the unhealthy by-products of the delivery mechanism. If human ingenuity can crack this problem electronically, what's the worry? Yet the anti-smoking lobby's ASH¬¬ist tendency will be relentless in resisting the invention.

Quote ends.

I think adult male smoking in the UK peaked around 1945 at around 65%. Yet I cannot find a single case of a major non-smoking composer (or poet, for that matter). The statistical approach you would use here is to apply Bayes' Theorem. If on average 98% of composers smoke, but only 60% of adult males of equivalent social class, this would reveal a statistically significant link - though of course it does not prove causation.

I partly added this sentence in to be provocative, and to see if anyone would come up with a major exception. So far not.

Both Handel and Mahler smoked marijuana, supposedly.

Did Mozart smoke? I can't find out for sure? And a search for Wagner now brings so many stories about the eponymous X-Factor contestant I can't face sifting through them all.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 09:28 PM

Thanks, Rory. It makes sense to me why you said/wrote that.

It still stands that if anyone wants to discuss/support/refute the idea, a lot of assumptions/definitions would need to be cleared up. I think few people in *this* context limit their definition of "composers" to the sort of people Rory is describing by example.

I am about to break out my new meerschaum and test the idea empirically. =)


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 09:31 PM

I hope the statement on Mahler and Handel is true. It would do wonders for classical music's sometimes stodgy image--stodgy except for some pictures of Jacqueline du Pres, and some other specifics.

But we'd need some evidence. Any links, direct quotes with source, etc?

At this point it hasn't risen above rumor status.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 09:32 PM

I don't think one can, in reason, make this kind of connection. I've known two "serious music" composers, one at the U. of W. School of Music and another at the Cornish School of the Arts, both of whom have had their works played by major orchestras, neither of whom smoked.

In the folk realm, among singer-songwriters who are so well versed in folk music that they can write songs practically indistinguishable from traditional songs, I don't believe Gordon Bok smokes. At least at two after-concert parties I attended, I didn't see him smoke.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Stower
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:30 AM

There are several *huge* and unverified (unverifiable) leaps here:

1. The idea that all good composers are smokers - unverified
2. The idea that no non-smokers have produced great art - unverified
3. The idea that non-smokers produce bad music - unverified
4. A causal connection between smoking and 'good' art - unverified
5. A comparison of smoking rates among artists and the population at large to show significantly higher smoking rates among artists - unverified

Just because someone makes a claim - "it is hard to name a single worthwhile piece of music written by a non-smoker" - does not mean it is true.

The claim is as silly as that only poor people produce great art (poverty gives you soul, apparently), or that men are better drivers than women (the statistics give the lie to that).

Did you know that 58.7% of all statistics are made up? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 10:53 AM

Thanks, Stower.

I compose, and I don't smoke. Never have.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:22 PM

Right on, Stower!

Another popular fiction one hears is that only the mentally disturbed are able to produce great art. Often the people cited are Van Gogh, who was a bit of a nut-case, but for good reason. After a bitter quarrel with his old friend Gaugan, he cut off an ear, wrapped it up, and gave it to a prostitute (she didn't know what it was at the time). But—Van Gogh suffered from a number of physical conditions, including temporal lobe epilepsy and bipolar disorder.

And Beethoven, who was famous for being generally bad tempered and often depressed, especially in his later years. Of course he was cranky and depressed! A musician and composer, famous in his own time, and he was going deaf!! Wouldn't you be?

Where do these generalizations get started?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 09:18 PM

Well, I finally remembered to ask my brother about Roy Harris, the American classical composer. Unusually for that time, early 60s, theirs was a tobacco-free home with teenagers, even!

Also, he said Brahms was known for smoking big cigars and Schumann was also known for smoking.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:57 AM

200 smokes? Puccini smoked 200 cigars per day? Or cigarettes? Most American cigaret packs have 20 cigarets in them- does that mean he smoked 10 packs a day? Or 200 cigars? Or 200 drags?

It do boggle the mind.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 01:51 AM

Puccini was a chain smoker, and although he may have smoked cigarettes as well, he smoked particularly strong Toscano cigars. I had (note "had") a friend who smoked Toscano cigars. Whenever he lit one of those things, people used to leave the room. I got the impression that smoking Toscano cigars is a bit like sucking on a Bunsen burner.

Undoubtedly as a result of his tobacoo habit, Puccini had chronic sore throats, and was eventually diagnosed with cancer of the throat. It was while he was undergoing a radical new radiation therapy that his throat hemmoraged and he died of a heart attack.

I see no connection between Puccini's (or any composer's) musical quality and output—and smoking.

Don Firth

P. S. Another composer I was personally acquainted with. I knew him as a fellow student at the University of Washington School of Music. He went on to do okay for himself. Grammies, Pulitzer Prizes. He didn't smoke either.   William Bolcom.
Lookout! Here he comes again!


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: treewind
Date: 04 Feb 11 - 12:12 PM

where is the option to change the time zone for my account?
You can't. The times of posts are created as text at the time of posting, based on the timezone of where the Mudcat is hosted.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: Mark Ross
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 06:38 PM

Toscano cigars were known in Greenwich Village as "Guinea Stink Weeds."


Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 07:31 AM

A bit late for the discussion, perhaps, but it is worth noting that the writer of the article, Rory Sutherland, is an advertising executive whose organization, Ogilvy/Mather, has worked extensively with tobacco companies.


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Subject: RE: Are most composers smokers?
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 12:47 PM

well most significant songwriters and composers smoked, and probably a greater proportion of them did than in the population at large. That would be skewed by most of the composers historically being men,who also smoked more, quite apart from the fact that musicians tend to be a bit of a wild bunch anyway (ignoring the modern phenomenon of the schoolteachers who write folk(?)songs about the old days etc).Certainly the key composers of recent years were smokers, Macartney Lennon etc etc etc. The interesting statistic will be what goes on from now on, as the proportion of smokers tails off. Are a whole new bunch of clean living composers arising? We shall find out.
I have written a great deal of music professionally, though none of it of any great significance in the broad sweep of cultural history. But to analyse that smal sample of one, I wrote a great deal more music when I was a compulsive smkoer than after I gave up. But that's probably an age things, your creative impulses dry up(or change, as I would prefer to put it).
How about drink, then??


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