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Ignorant old people

kendall 13 Dec 10 - 12:32 PM
GUEST,Silas 13 Dec 10 - 08:08 AM
kendall 13 Dec 10 - 07:46 AM
Midchuck 13 Dec 10 - 06:59 AM
kendall 12 Dec 10 - 07:21 PM
GUEST,Silas 12 Dec 10 - 04:54 PM
kendall 12 Dec 10 - 04:51 PM
GUEST,Silas 12 Dec 10 - 04:50 PM
kendall 12 Dec 10 - 04:44 PM
GUEST,Silas 12 Dec 10 - 03:30 PM
kendall 12 Dec 10 - 03:19 PM
GUEST,Silas 12 Dec 10 - 02:43 PM
kendall 12 Dec 10 - 01:10 PM
Little Hawk 12 Dec 10 - 01:02 PM
Naemanson 12 Dec 10 - 11:13 AM
GUEST,Silas 12 Dec 10 - 08:21 AM
kendall 12 Dec 10 - 08:13 AM
MikeL2 12 Dec 10 - 06:36 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 12 Dec 10 - 03:28 AM
Backwoodsman 12 Dec 10 - 02:19 AM
MGM·Lion 12 Dec 10 - 01:50 AM
Naemanson 12 Dec 10 - 12:25 AM
Little Hawk 11 Dec 10 - 03:13 PM
GUEST,999 11 Dec 10 - 02:17 PM
Teribus 11 Dec 10 - 08:45 AM
GUEST,Silas 11 Dec 10 - 08:35 AM
GUEST,kendall 11 Dec 10 - 08:21 AM
Teribus 11 Dec 10 - 06:51 AM
Beer 10 Dec 10 - 11:42 PM
kendall 10 Dec 10 - 08:42 PM
Amergin 10 Dec 10 - 05:22 PM
gnu 10 Dec 10 - 04:21 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 10 Dec 10 - 02:31 PM
GUEST,999 10 Dec 10 - 02:02 PM
Little Hawk 10 Dec 10 - 01:53 PM
kendall 10 Dec 10 - 01:33 PM
Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) 10 Dec 10 - 11:09 AM
kendall 10 Dec 10 - 08:33 AM
GUEST,Patsy 10 Dec 10 - 08:28 AM
Van 10 Dec 10 - 05:46 AM
GUEST,Patsy 10 Dec 10 - 03:59 AM
Bugsy 10 Dec 10 - 03:56 AM
Naemanson 10 Dec 10 - 12:12 AM
kendall 09 Dec 10 - 03:02 PM
GUEST,Grishka 09 Dec 10 - 11:44 AM
GUEST,999 09 Dec 10 - 11:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:32 PM

Famous last words.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 08:08 AM

Oh I think I can handle Kendall.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 07:46 AM

Even I can't "Take her out". She was with the Royal Marines, taught them how to fight dirty. She's teaching me now.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 06:59 AM

Guest Silas: I know it's none of my business, but I have two bits of advice for you to consider:

1) Don't tangle with Kendall.

2) If (1) is unacceptable, and you must tangle with Kendall, do it quick before his wife gets back. She's nicer than he is. Until she gets mad. Then she's meaner.

I'm just saying...

Peter


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 07:21 PM

Because you originally said Americans are fair game. Americans, not American leaders. If I misunderstood, I apologize.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:54 PM

So why do you think I am blaming American leadership when I clearly said it was our leadership I blamed?


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:51 PM

I did read the bloody post. First you said Americans are fair game and when I called you on it, you said not really, just disillusionment with your own leaders. Make up your mind.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:50 PM

Whatever, I just thought you were deaf as well as blind.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:44 PM

Are you sure you want to lock horns with me? I don't appreciate being yelled at.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 03:30 PM

FFS Kendall, read the bloody post!


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 03:19 PM

Then logic says blame your leaders not ours. We blame ours, not yours.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 02:43 PM

Well, not a lot really, more disillusionment with our own political leaders who are led by the nose into things that we don't want to get involved in because of some 'special relationship' that we are supposed to have.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 01:10 PM

Ok, what do you have against Americans?


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 01:02 PM

Good one, Lizzie! ;-) I'm glad you had the confidence to assert yourself that way. Many, sadly, do not.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 11:13 AM

One of the nice things about being in Guam is that the young people here, for all their posing and emulating the urban hoodlums in the hip-hop videos, still have some respect for the elderly, the manamko.

It's really great to see some urban fop drag in with his hat on sideways, and his sweatshirt (85 degrees in the shade!) too big for him and his pants dragging down around his knees, to see him walk up to an old manamko, take his or her hand, and finehi over it. (To finehi you take an older person by the hand bow over it and bring it close to your face and breath in through your nose. The idea is you are inhaling of his/her wisdom and patience.)


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 08:21 AM

Sorry Kendall, you'll have to translate that into English for me...


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 08:13 AM

Silas, why have you got against Americans?


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 06:36 AM

hi

My wife is a bit off-colour right now. Nothing serious just a bad cold. So although I hate shopping and am most impatient when I do I went out yesterday with a list of requirements.

I was buying some fruit in a greengrocers in town.As I approached the counter with my purchases a lady of similar age (old) to me approached at the same time. We both stood back and motioned for the other to go first.
Eventually I waved to her to go and said " Ladies First "....and then joking added, " there are still some ladies left in our World".
She smiled, thanked me and said " and some gentlemen too ".

I had a slightly lighter step as I trudged over the frozen ground to complete my tasks.

Is it a case of be nice to others...........????

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 03:28 AM

I had good and bad in Cafe Nero the other day...

I staggered in with some bags of shopping, and...not wanting to be an ignorant old person taking up the queue with them I placed them by the table farthest away from me, so as not to be in anyone's way. And that was where I was also going to sit down, obviously.

So, I'm waiting patiently in the queue when in comes a group of young folks, and over they march to the very table where my shopping is, despite there being MANY other empty tables. One guy sits down...

So, over I go and say, politely, "Excuse me, but I was just about to sit there, this is my shopping which I put here so as not to trouble anyone you see, and I'm just waiting in the queue for my coffee before sitting down here, *next* to my shopping."

He stared at me....

"I don't care. I want to sit here."

Then, he turned away and smirked at his pals, who were staring at me...waiting to see my reaction.

"Oh! I'm SO sorry!! And there was I thinking Chivalry was DEAD and BURIED! What a fool I was to think that you might just be an ignorant bastard who'd give me a mouthful of rudeness, when it's perfectly plain to me now that you're really such a polite and thoughtful young man!"

He looked at me, slightly shocked...obviously not getting my drift at all.

So I tried again...

"Do you know, that in all of my 55 years I've never had the misfortune to meet anyone so bloody rude, so bloody uncaring, and so bloody arrogantly up themselves before!" I continued....

This time, the penny dropped...as did the jaws of most of the folks in the cafe....

At this point, he finally realised that the mad woman in front of him could possibly have launched all her shopping at him en masse..and he decided, finally, to move his arse. His pals decided they didn't even want to sit in the same cafe as this Ignorant Old Person, and so they left. ;0)

I went back to the queue, apologised to the young staff for losing them some customers, and explained that good manners are sooooo important and I don't take shite from anyone any longer. They laughed, grinned widely and gave me a free Gingerbread Father Christmas to calm me down! :0) They also told me to go and sit down and they'd bring my coffee over to me, bless 'em.

So there ya go.

The Good
The Bad
and...
The Ugly

....all in one cafe, on one day... :0)

(the latter being me in full "AAAAARRGGGH! Don't MESS with me!" flight.

Age has nothing to do with it. Personality is at the root of it. The caring young people couldn't have been more caring and they shone like diamonds next to that ignoramus...who, hopefully, will think twice before being so rude again.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 02:19 AM

As this is a music forum, I'd just like to say that I spent last evening being entertained by a choir, an orchestra and a school swing band. Their ages ranged from around 14 to at least 75 (I knew some of them). They were all paragons of politeness and charm, all displayed astonishing talent, irrespective of their ages, and they all interacted as equals.

Friendship in music clearly doesn't recognise age difference as any kind of barrier. It was a privilege to be in their company, and a joy to witness 150 or so people of all ages joining together to produce something truly beautiful.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 01:50 AM

Little Hawk ~~ "Ignorant" is also colloquially used to mean "ill-mannered", which I suspect was the meaning intended by OP of this thread.

~M~


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 12:25 AM

My dad used to say (and still does when the events call for it), "Gawdammit, Ah'm iggorant,an' ah'm goanna stay iggorant!" I think it was a holdover from Johnson's War on Ignorance.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:13 PM

The word "ignorant" means: Not knowing about something.

Since there are a great many things that any one of us doesn't know about...we are all, technically speaking, ignorant...when it comes to those things...but not when it comes to things we do know about. This has little bearing on whether we are stupid or not.

The word "stupid" means: Being unable to use good judgement about something even IF you know a good deal about it. Stupidity is a more serious problem than ignorance, because ignorance is just lack of knowledge...not necessarily lack of innate intelligence or ability to think clearly.

The thread title appears to be using the word "ignorant" to mean "stupid". That could lead to quite a bit of confusion as to just what it is that people are talking about here.

A person who has never learned to read is ignorant of that particular ability. This doesnt' mean he's stupid...but many people may assume he is stupid just as a matter of course, because they take the ability to read for granted...and therefore assume that he is quite stupid. They may be wrong about that. He might even be a good deal smarter than they are in practical intelligence and reasoning power and objectivity, but just not have had any life experience of learning to read.

So what are we really discussing in this thread? Ignorance? Or stupidity? Or senility? Or complacency? Or a sense of entitlement? Or arrogance? Or inflexibility? Or dullness? Or lack of attention? Or impatience? Or self-centredness? Or lack of respect? Or prejudice? Or....etc....etc...etc....

It could be any or none of the above, couldn't it?


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 02:17 PM

Hate to break this to y`all, but most of the young people I`ve met are very polite. I see about as much bad manners today as I saw when I was a youngster. IMO.

As for old people, cut `em some slack. Some of us miserable old bastards will be there soon enough, and I doubt we`ll want these types of generalization said about us. IMO.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:45 AM

Don't know the lay out of the place but it could be possible she fell foul of local rules, i.e. standing in the line for pensions, or being in the Post Office at a time and on a day that the other "locals" stay clear off as it's pensions day.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:35 AM

"Would you be trying so hard to be even handed if she'd been verbally attacked for being black? Or is it OK to attack people for being American?"


I think Americans are fair game really.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 08:21 AM

I had a cousin who always addressed his Father as "Sir". If he forgot, he might pick his head up in another zip code.

That's going too far.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 06:51 AM

Foolestroupe asked:

"OK - I have to ask - which is worse - Ignorant Old People, or
Ignorant Young People?


The former without hesitation, they should know better having been round the block a few times and there may well be a very good reason that the latter are ignorant.

"Stupidity knows no age." - gnu

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing. One thing the younger generation has over the oldies is that today both "ignorance" and "stupidity" has been elevated to an art form and is actually taught. Wasn't in my day.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Beer
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:42 PM

Not allowed to drive is a good start, but to banned them out of buffet restaurants is going just a little to far. Hell, "Wait a minute, what age is it that old people start at"? 50?, 60?, 70?, 80?, 90 I would say yes. And did you ever sit in a coffee house setting and hear some old gentleman (Lets say around 80.)say, I'm getting there. Where the heck is there?
ad.
Having fun.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 08:42 PM

And there should never be more than one in any of the market isles.Two old women can take up more space than a foot ball team.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Amergin
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 05:22 PM

I think old people should not be allowed to drive....and should be banned from the buffet restaurants...


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: gnu
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 04:21 PM

Stupidity knows no age.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 02:31 PM

And of course we mustn't forget the other favourite:-

Know' ahmeen innit.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 02:02 PM

Jean Paul Satire, no doubt.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 01:53 PM

It's spelled "know'msayin'?"

U R the 1 who can't spell it right, know'msayin'?

U R, like, soooooo out of it, know'msayin'?

R U, like, over 50?

I soooo bet U R and that is sooooo OLD!



*(The above is a joke, Okay? Satire.)


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 01:33 PM

Right, I wonder what they are teaching in today's schools. They have no manners, can't hold a thought, can't converse without "Like" or "Nome sayin". Their spelling is atrocious and their grammar is worse.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:09 AM

I feel there are more ignorant young people these days.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 08:33 AM

It's the same thing when dogs piss on bushes. They are marking the boundary of their territory.If you don't belong to the local pack you are not welcome. We are not that far from the lower animals.

I've traveled quite a lot outside the USA and some of the Americans I have seen in other countries exhibited appalling behavior. If a New Yorker came here and acted like that they would also be told they were not welcome.

In Jamaica I saw a gang of toughs from England acting like assholes, so, ignorance is universal.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 08:28 AM

The funny thing back when I was a teenager on a holiday on the Isle of Wight most of the other kids were from London and quite a few from the North of England and while we were sat in the usual hippy circle I was encouraged to 'say something' just like a show and tell because they thought I sounded American. It wasn't in an ignorant nasty way but I presume some of them hadn't been through Bristol but I did feel on display. I think they were disappointed that I wasn't.

In later years I have been accused of being a 'carrot cruncher' or having a straw in my mouth so I can understand how horrible it can be to be treated this way.

Sometimes families can be like that about other families too if they are thought to have a bad reputation.

Perhaps we could start another thread about New Year Resolutions for the good.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Van
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 05:46 AM

Rounding on someone because they are American should come as no surprise to anyone living in the UK. You also get the challenge of you're not from round here are you when you live 10 minutes up the road. My late wife, who was English, had to give up work because of the attitude of her colleagues in Scotland - and that was in a government department.
Face it the world has a fair share of idiots and unfortunately we seem to let them run it.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 03:59 AM

I do remember how it was back in the 60's and 70's and less so in the 80's the same was for me in the outskirts of Bristol where I lived. The only differences that I was aware of was the attitude towards class and gender differences, ethnic people were mostly in the inner-city anyway, where I lived in the outskirts and suburb it was made quite clear to me by the very teachers teaching us probably they had all mostly come from Public School that we would never make it in life because of that. But yes it was a rare thing to see anyone from a foreign country that is until the school began the foreign exchange programme with students from France. Immediately the difference was quite evident the students being quite ahead on the fashion front for a start!

Fortunately young people seem to be well aware of the differences of bad manners and on the whole can see it for what it is even amongst their own.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Bugsy
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 03:56 AM

Someone should write a song about it.............


Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Naemanson
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 12:12 AM

I am an ignorant old person and I wouldn't do that to anyone.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: kendall
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 03:02 PM

Had that been me I would have said, "And can you point out where it says that in the Magna Carta"?


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 11:44 AM

Bubbly, the lady in question has been told she
has no business being there on account of a) not being a pensioner and b) being American.
Are you suggesting all people were pensioners in your days??

What sort of ignorance are we talking about? The only sense I can make of the story is what I wrote above, where xenophobia just serves as a handy source of insults. (BTW: who says there were no persons of Pakistani background in the queue?)

The effect I described in my own version of the story is not restricted to persons deeply rooted in their traditions, though they may be most susceptible. Many middle-aged people who know the world are nevertheless convinced that their own set of rules is valid universally, and that not knowing it constitutes a moral vice.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 11:43 AM

`We should all lighten up.`

I just did and now I have to leave the internet cafe. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:21 AM

Absolutely right, Bubbly.

Louis MacNeice's long poetic record of part of his life as it passed, Autumn Journal, contains a memorable summation of our view of the Classical world, "It was all so very, very different - And all so long ago". But never mind the Classical World. At my age [78] I often find myself quoting it of things I myself can well remember which just are not so any longer.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: bubblyrat
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:05 AM

The truth is "Patsy ", that we Old People were not actually "xenophobic" all the time ; in fact,we grew up in a society where there just WERE NOT any "foreigners" !! I am 63 (like "Beer" ) ; I grew up in Midhurst, in West Sussex, in a TOTALLY "white" environment, where there were NO "black" or "coloured" people,no Europeans,no Orientals,no Indian or Pakistani or Chinese restaurants, no Poles, no displaced "Slavs",no Americans, no Italian or German POWs,no Irish tinkers,no Scots (that I can recall) and the only Welshman was our Primary School headmaster ( Mr Bevan !!). OK ; I admit that there WAS a boy at school called "Mueller",,who came in for a bit of "Heil Hitler"-type joshing,but didn't seem to mind ( unlike today !!)
             And, I must admit that there WAS a Maharaja of somewhere-or-other who was wont to play polo at Cowdray Park occasionally, but otherwise.....that was it !! And I did not ever set eyes on a "black" man until I saw one,at age TEN,in Reading !!(prior to that ,my knowledge of such matters was restricted to what I could glean from the pages of the school-provided "Little Black Sambo" books .....Ouch !!!) So knock ye not us older folks ; the world we grew up in was more different than you could ever imagine.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:39 AM

OK - I have to ask - which is worse - Ignorant Old People, or Ignorant Young People?

Ignorant people in positions of power.

vide TeaBaggers, BuShites, etc.


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Subject: RE: Ignorant old people
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:23 AM

We should all lighten up.


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