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The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: stevewise Date: 28 Dec 10 - 11:59 AM this is good - but I think pressure should be brought on the BBC to support a wide range of music - after all, the Beeb is internationally renowned which is why the argument proposed in one of the messages from a BBC executive that Folkwaves is somehow not serving the local community if mad. When local folks bands and the local folk scene are advertised world-wide, how is that not serving the community. A community radio solution would be better than nothing - but I think we should press for a change of heart from the BBC. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Bernard Date: 28 Dec 10 - 01:42 PM It's a bit late for that - they've been doing it for years!! Folkwaves is just the latest casualty. I wholeheartedly agree that something should be done about it, but 'there's none so deaf as those who will not hear' as my grannie used to say. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,glueman Date: 29 Dec 10 - 05:49 AM The BBC long ago gave up paying anything but lip service to Reithian values of 'inform, educate and entertain' for 'create the mass market then hang onto it for dear life'. The corporation is a busted flush as are the other mainstream terrestrials. The sooner Folkwaves is on a dedicated community channel the better. The future is global narrowcast and the Beeb don't know what the hell to do about it. They'll blanket bomb the network with inoffensive pap from clueless nobody's until someone pulls the plug and puts them out of their misery. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,erbert Date: 29 Dec 10 - 05:58 AM I wrote a very positive essay about BBC Reithian values to get an interview at trendy Coventry Poly Media Studies course in 1981.. I have absolutely no recollection what happened on the day I hitched up the motorway with suit and tie in rucksack... but I did end up going somewhere else nicer. Maybe folkwaves shoud go somewhere nicer as well.. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Bernard Date: 29 Dec 10 - 06:44 AM GUEST,erbert - my point exactly!! I've had a very quick reply back from Ofcom, and they say: There is one station in Derby, Radio Ikhlas and a couple of others in Derbyshire itself, Erewash Sound and Amber Sound FM. The contact details for stations currently broadcasting can be found by clicking on an individual station's name in the list at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/Community/community-main.html I've left the URLs as the text for the clickies to make it easy for copy and paste, should anyone wish to. Having checked out Radio Ikhlas, it's primarily aimed at the Asian community, so is probably not appropriate. Erewash Sound and Amber Sound FM, however, both seem suitable. Whilst not ideal, a pre-recorded version of the programme on CD could be posted to a few community stations as an alternative to ISDN links, etc. This would expand the coverage, and give the stations flexibility of broadcast times. At Oldham Community Radio we are working on an idea to start using an FTP site for uploading programmes not recorded at the studios. Handy for me for the occasional pre-recs that we do, as I usually prepare them at home. My method for pre-recs (which I first used when we had a slot on Radio Britfolk) is to record Ali's voice links in my studio, then stitch the programme together with the CD tracks afterwards. Whilst more time-consuming than recording the three segments of the programme in one go (we have 'ad breaks' at twenty-past and twenty-to the hour), it does mean that I can tweak the timings more readily. This is particularly important because we use P-Squared's 'Myriad' auto playback system which can massage the timings automatically... As different stations will have differing schedules, it's important to understand what they need, and to build each programme to fit in with their pattern. No, I'm not trying to teach granny to suck eggs, I'm passing on my experience to any novices out there who are thinking of having a go. The BBC's loss is everyone else's gain!! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,Chris Thomas Date: 29 Dec 10 - 06:04 PM I am so outraged as I've just found out about the plans to scrap the Folkwaves. I am putting in a formal written complaint especially as I am sick of a diet bland papy music on English radio. If you love "Real Music" I urge you all to buy an a internet radio and listen to folk and all sorts of different music from around the world, the station SR Varlden (world) from Radio Sweden is my favorite, but I will be listening to RTE Radio 1, Radio Scotland, www.celticradio.net, www.folk.hu etc there are many more. Good music is getting rare on the BBC in England the BBC had better watch out Internet radio is comming! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Andy Jackson Date: 29 Dec 10 - 06:14 PM And don't forget Frank Hennessy's Celtic Heartbeat. Not just Welsh |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: RamblinStu Date: 31 Dec 10 - 11:09 PM A New Year, time to remind the BBC of our feelings.. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Acorn4 Date: 01 Jan 11 - 05:00 AM It's time to find out what they are filling the 7.00 Monday slot with and clog up their system with emails and texts. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Bernard Date: 01 Jan 11 - 06:07 AM If they do what they did on BBC GMR/Radio Manchester, it's an excuse to play 'best of' clips from the daytime programmes (when they interview minor 'celebrities')... when I listen (in the car) I always seem to land on the same clip, day after day!! If it's not 'Manchester Reloaded', then it's football, football, football, and maybe some rugby. Even Classic FM is better!! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 01 Jan 11 - 06:16 AM Acorn... And studio phone calls.... |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 01 Jan 11 - 06:25 AM if anyone can do it with losing the will to live, could they post the play-list for Monday to see how much the BBC have covered the needs of licence payers that are not covered by Radio 1/2 etc..... |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,SteveT Date: 01 Jan 11 - 07:10 AM Folkwaves becomes 19:00 –22:00 Richard Spurr 03/01/2011 Great early evening entertainment. Guests and your calls on 0370 143 1333 (national rate). . The phone number might come in useful!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Date: 01 Jan 11 - 07:42 AM according to the Radio Times, Folkwaves (and the other "minority" music programmes) is being broadcast this week as usual...... has anyone written to the radio Times on the general issue of Folkwaves/removal of folk etc programmes from local radio? Derek |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: stevewise Date: 01 Jan 11 - 07:57 AM Quote "Folkwaves becomes 19:00 –22:00 Richard Spurr 03/01/2011 Great early evening entertainment. Guests and your calls on 0370 143 1333 (national rate). . The phone number might come in useful!!!!!!!!!!! " I think that trying to protest via the replacement programme could be counter-productive - those who like listening to richard spurr will simply think we are cranks! I emailed simon corne about why the BBC haven't troubled to explain the reasons for their decision more publicly - or thanked mick and lester for putting on such a good show. The response was clearly a stock one since it didn;t address either point but simply explained their decision - a key part of this is that they feel that 7-9 has become a part of the working day more than in the past and hence people want to listen to more of what gets put out during the day. However it doesn't explain why they didn;t move folkwaves to a later spot - or to the weekend. This seems to me the case we should pursue. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: danensis Date: 01 Jan 11 - 08:12 AM Presumably one can also call 01332 616161 as that is the number for "whatever is on now" on Radio Derby - I used to do that every time Folkwaves was replaced by kick ball. My feeling was that the longer I spent on the phone talking to the "man behind the glass" the less time there was for inane ramblings from some kickball follower to be broadcast live on air. John |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,Dave Eyre Date: 01 Jan 11 - 05:51 PM I think the reason that it is still in the Radio Times is that it was a short notice decision they were trying to keep quiet about! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Bernard Date: 01 Jan 11 - 06:32 PM When we were removed from BBC GMR we were instructed not to tell anyone until our final broadcast... fortunately one of the presenters from one of the other axed programmes put an article in the national press a few weeks beforehand, leaving the way clear for us to join in with a thread on Mudcat. Not that it made any difference... It certainly was not a 'short notice decision' - we knew nearly six months beforehand. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Bernard Date: 01 Jan 11 - 06:54 PM That thread was augmented/followed by this one. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 03 Jan 11 - 03:52 AM Just to add, I've just uploaded the speech links from the final show to the Facebook campaign (Link above). The files were too big for all the music, sadly, but at least, people will still be able to hear the interviews etc, after BBC IPlayer consigns it to the dustbin of history later today. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Date: 03 Jan 11 - 05:08 PM well, I phoned up BBC Radio Derby during the new 7-9 programme this evening to register my annoyance that Folkwaves wasn't on, and the woman I spoke to suggested I wasn't the first person to do so, and that my comments would be forwarded to the management. Derek |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 04 Jan 11 - 02:28 AM Well done Derek....100% sure though, that your opinion went straight in the bin! I KNOW how these places work. There will be a synopsis on the Facebook group shortly, as soon as they get their "listen again" facility working...but, the new DJ presented a bland mix of Oldies, A pub quiz, interviews with non celebrities about haunted houses, a failed contestant from Dragons Den (whose only reason for being on was that he lives in Derby!) and a BBC political pundit talking about National issues....combine this with music from the likes of Erasure, Mama Cass, Boy George, Carpenters. I could go on, but I'm losing the will to live! It felt like a well-crafted throwback to 1976 local radio. Local content? Not much...Agreed the News summary did mention a bad traffic crash on the A1. That was it for the "Ground breaking local news that we were promised! Oh and the local footie results, mustn't forget them. Poignantly, in the 3 news spots, they played a clip of Pete Postlethwaites moving rant re the closure of the mines, and the end of colliery bands in the Derbyshire Yorkshire area, from the film Brassed Off.. These people can't even spell the word Irony! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: stevewise Date: 04 Jan 11 - 07:44 AM Just had this from mick smith whose country show was also axed he refers to a possible folk show - not sure if he means folkwaves or his own folk show ------------------------------------------------------------------- You may or may not be aware, but the Country Show on BBC East Midlands has been taken off air along with the Celtic Fringe, Folkwaves and the Jazz Programme. A move I rigorously fought on your behalf but to no avail. Still as they say when one door closes ………..??? • So for lovers of specialist music and in particularly Country I have decided to set up an Internet weekly posting on my own radio station. The first few programmes will be approximately 1 hour long eventually extending to 2 hours. • I'll be posting them every Tuesday in keeping with my previous show on the BBC and they will stay there for a week, so you can listen at any time. You'll be able to get the show by typing into Google search www.micksmithradio.co.uk then clicking on Show • The format of the shows will follow the tried and tested route that I've been using for a long time with lots of emphasis on the music and where appropriate, interviews with local and international country music stars. • With this in mind I'll be looking for local club news and new artists with original songs to feature on the shows, along you're your dedications and requests. • So if you are a country fan, artist, or promoter, hopefully there will be something in the show for you. And finally please let me know what you think of the shows and any ideas or suggestions to improve them. All suggestions will be acknowledged and considered. A further thought, if things are successful I'm planning to extend the range of shows to include a Folk music and a Celtic music show each week – who knows - so watch this space. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: ChrisJBrady Date: 17 Apr 11 - 09:01 AM Don't forget there is also Kidnapppers Ceilidh Radio Kidnappers (NZ) 1431kHz AM. Broadcast: 10/04/2011 0000-0100 NZST Kidnappers Ceilidh STREAMING live Sundays at 0000 NZ time Folk on Sunday STREAMING live Sundays at 1500 NZ time via http://www.radiokidnappers.org.nz/internet_audio.php Specialising in tradition-based instrumental music. For more about our programme please seek our entry in Jeremy Butler's Internet Folk Radio List at: http://www.allthingsacoustic.org/tifrl/ For more on Radio Kidnappers visit us at: http://www.radiokidnappers.org.nz/prog_fos.php Mitch and Robyn Park (Folk on Sunday and Kidnappers Ceilidh, Radio Kidnappers 1431AM & 104.7FM) 1214 Louie Street Hastings, NEW ZEALAND 4122. +64-6-8785395 |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: ChrisJBrady Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:11 PM Bearing in mind the fiasco with the Beeb (Manchester) junking all the master to Folkweave into a skip some years' ago, I hope that someone has taped off-air or has access to the masters of Folkwaves. And if so that these are in a suitable condition to be archived. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Bernard Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:34 PM In answer to your question, there would have been no 'masters', as the programmes would have been digitally 'logged' for a week until overwritten by the next broadcast. That has been BBC policy for quite some time, as it satisfies OfCom's minimum requirement for legal purposes. If a programme was pre-recorded, maybe there would be a MiniDisk or CD copy. If recorded using RadioMan QuickEdit, the recordings would have fallen off the end of the queue as drive space needed freeing up. I kept archives of 'Sounds of Folk' whilst we were on GMR by recording to MiniDisk in the studio whilst our programme was on air (some early broadcasts were recorded off air by Mark Dowding), and I am keeping archives of the current Oldham Community Radio incarnation by taking a WAV file from the station log (P-Squared PowerLog for those in the know!). All my archives are in CD audio format, and on hard disks as WAV files, chopped into convenient chunks! So if there's a programme (or part of a programme) that anyone missed, or would like to hear again... |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: ChrisJBrady Date: 19 Apr 11 - 03:55 PM "...there would have been no 'masters', as the programmes would have been digitally 'logged' for a week until overwritten by the next broadcast. That has been BBC policy for quite some time,..." Shock, horror, so there's no copies kept for the archives!! And I guess the same goes for Mike Harding's folk programme, Folkscene, Travelling Folk, Folk Club, et al. Incidently these can all be downloaded automatically as series of progs. using RadioDownloader. Its good that you are at least trying to preserve the programme you're involved with. But the point is shouldn't the BBC be archiving these programmes, bearing in mind that storage media is cheap. I hate to think of this attitude of total disregard towards archiving for future generations permeating the entire BBC (and others) output of t.v. and radio. What on earth is getting lost now-a-days? And its not just episodes of Dr.Who. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 19 Apr 11 - 04:52 PM Just to bring a bit of sense to this discussion. I've no idea what hapened to the Manchester programmes....probably dumped. I do know that most of the Pebble Mill recordings were "skipped" I know this because of my search for recordings of Nic Jones for the Unearthed project a few years ago. During this process, I spoke at length to both Peter Pilbeam, and Geoffrey Hewitt. Both of them agrred that most of the tapes had been thrown away. Of course, some lucky listeners will have recorded some of the programmes "Off Air" In fact, I have some tapes saved from that era. But, BBC policy at the time was to recycle the tapes....That doesn't happen nowadays. Everything is archived (because It's easy in the digital world) Sad to say that a lot of wonderful recordings in the 70's were lost....Bugger! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: ChrisJBrady Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:47 AM With regards to Folkweave and maybe Nic Jones a guy emailed me awhile ago: Alan Senior "Hiya,I have just read your post on uk.music.folk, I have all the original 1/2"Masters from folk weave,rescued from a skip outside BBC Manchester & spent a few months putting them on to CD's, some great stuff but the BBC Does still own the copyright so there's not much I can do with them !" Subsequent attempts to contact Alan have proved fruitless; maybe some one here knows him ... |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: ChrisJBrady Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:52 AM Alan's emails address was: alan AT senior DOT force9 DOT co DOT uk |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,UK Folk Music Date: 12 Dec 11 - 06:31 AM Folkwaves Returns. We are delighted to announce that Folkwaves will soon return. UK Folk Music was approached by presenter Mick Peat in September of 2011 and asked if it would be possible to host Folkwaves on our website. To accommodate the show, we have had a complete re-design and moved to a new server where we have more features available which includes a huge database option. The new look website was launched on November 17th 2011 - in time for our attendance at the Festival Organisers Conference in Eastwood, Nottinghamshire. More Details For more details about the return of Folkwave, please check out our website here : FOLKWAVES at UK Folk Music http://www.ukfolkmusic.co.uk/folkwaves.php To ensure we can continue with the programme we need as much support as we can get, the whole project will be huge and coverage will be national, not just for the East Midlands as was the original show from Radio Derby. Please spread the word. Alan UK Folk Music |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: YorkshireYankee Date: 12 Dec 11 - 07:02 AM Brilliant! Will definitely be passing on the good news! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Sugwash Date: 12 Dec 11 - 07:15 AM Magic, I do hope it all goes well, I'll be there amongst the audience for sure. |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: Bernard Date: 12 Dec 11 - 11:33 AM Another happy ending!! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,SteveT Date: 13 Dec 11 - 05:07 AM Sounds like great news: ( but I doubt I'll be allowed to listen if we are required to follow the guidelines on their webpage "We are undergoing further tests for Folkwaves pod casting - please bare with us. "!!! I don't think my participation in group nudity would be welcome.) |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: foggers Date: 13 Dec 11 - 03:44 PM Hurrah! Will defo be listening! |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: GUEST,UK Folk Music Date: 29 Nov 12 - 06:45 AM We are sorry to announce that in spite of all the hard work put in by Mick and Lester and producer Alan Morley of UK Folk Music, the December edition will be the last ever on the internet. The three of us have discussed the fate of the programme and decided that in order for it to continue we needed to be back on radio. We have made approaches to local radio stations and had no interest whatsoever. Supporters of the programme when it was on BBC Radio Derby have not transferred to the internet show, and we realise that it's not as easy to find as just turning on the radio at 7pm on Monday nights. The Folkwaves team would like to thank listeners who enjoyed the show and artists who have been featured during the programme's long history. Listen to Folkwaves on Mixcloud : FOLKWAVES Alan Morley UK Folk Music website |
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Subject: RE: The end of 'Folkwaves' on BBC From: YorkshireYankee Date: 29 Nov 12 - 01:24 PM So Very sorry to hear this! A sad day... |
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