Tune Req: The Tinkerman's Daughter

Subject: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Jan in Oz
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 12:40 AM

I have the lyrics to the song The Tinkerman's Daughter but I don't know how the melody goes. I heard someone sing it at an Irish session once in Sydney and really liked it. Does anyone out there have any suggestions as to how I could find the music for it?

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 01:15 AM

Rick Lee recorded it--twice. One version is on his album "Natick" and a second is on his album "There's Talk about a Fence." Both albums are on the Waterbug label (www.waterbug.com). The second version has a more complete story. The disturbing news I must present to you is that each version uses a different tune. But if you get both of Rick Lee's CD's, you'll have two tunes for the Tinkerman's Daughter. When he and Bob Zentz were in Washington, DC earlier in August doing a concert for the Folklore Society of Greater Washington, Rick put together an interesting hybrid--singing the first version, which has an abbreviated story but a tune that I find more interesting, and then segueing into the second version with its different tune, but picking up where the first version's story left off.

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Barbara
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 04:13 AM

I've a transcription of the longer song's tune. (As sung by Rick Lee on Talk about a Fence). Do you want that one?
Blessings,
Barbara

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Meg
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 05:50 PM

THE TINKERMAN'S DAUGHTER is included on Niamh Parson's album "Loosely Connected", which available from Green Linnet. The liner notes list the composer as M. McConnell and the publisher as Elm Grove Music. As I understand it, this is a modern song written in a traditional format. I only know of this one tune for it which is quite haunting.

I hope this information is of help.

Best,

Meg

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Bill
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 10:26 PM

It's also recorded on a fine version by a Houston group called Ceili's Muse.....Ihave a couple other versions . but I can't recall by whom.... It's a fine song and melody. ----Bill

Subject: Tune Add: THE TINKERMAN'S DAUGHTER (from C Fisher)
From: alison
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 11:46 PM

Hi,

This is the version by Cilla Fisher off the CD "Holding up half the sky" - Voices of Celtic Women.

MIDI file: TINKER~1.MID

Timebase: 480

Name: THE TINKERMAN'S DAUGHTER
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)
Key: Eb
Start
0960 1 63 098 0478 0 63 098 0002 1 63 077 0478 0 63 077 0002 1 65 081 0478 0 65 081 0002 1 63 080 0478 0 63 080 0002 1 60 083 0478 0 60 083 0002 1 58 081 0718 0 58 081 0002 1 60 082 0238 0 60 082 0002 1 61 093 0480 1 60 088 0025 0 61 093 0682 0 60 088 0013 1 56 084 0240 1 58 082 0002 0 56 084 0476 0 58 082 0002 1 51 075 1918 0 51 075 0002 1 51 086 0478 0 51 086 0002 1 51 077 0478 0 51 077 0002 1 53 090 0718 0 53 090 0002 1 54 083 0238 0 54 083 0002 1 53 088 0958 0 53 088 0002 1 58 092 0238 0 58 092 0002 1 58 085 0238 0 58 085 0002 1 58 093 0718 0 58 093 0002 1 60 090 0238 0 60 090 0002 1 62 079 0478 0 62 079 0002 1 58 077 2398 0 58 077 0002 1 60 093 0238 0 60 093 0002 1 61 084 0238 0 61 084 0002 1 63 086 0478 0 63 086 0002 1 65 087 0478 0 65 087 0002 1 63 082 0478 0 63 082 0002 1 60 085 0958 0 60 085 0002 1 58 100 0238 0 58 100 0002 1 60 084 0238 0 60 084 0002 1 61 086 0478 0 61 086 0002 1 60 086 0718 0 60 086 0002 1 56 075 0238 0 56 075 0002 1 58 094 0478 0 58 094 0002 1 51 087 1918 0 51 087 0002 1 51 080 0238 0 51 080 0002 1 51 081 0238 0 51 081 0002 1 51 086 0478 0 51 086 0002 1 53 081 0700 0 53 081 0020 1 54 080 0240 1 53 096 0003 0 54 080 0475 0 53 096 0002 1 58 085 0718 0 58 085 0002 1 58 087 0238 0 58 087 0002 1 58 098 0478 0 58 098 0002 1 54 078 0478 0 54 078 0002 1 53 092 0478 0 53 092 0002 1 51 089 2398 0 51 089 0002 1 58 103 0238 0 58 103 0002 1 58 083 0238 0 58 083 0002 1 58 107 0480 1 63 104 0018 0 58 107 0460 0 63 104 0002 1 65 096 0478 0 65 096 0002 1 66 081 0480 1 65 092 0003 0 66 081 0715 0 65 092 0002 1 63 090 0238 0 63 090 0002 1 61 082 0478 0 61 082 0002 1 63 090 0478 0 63 090 0002 1 65 086 0478 0 65 086 0002 1 63 092 0238 0 63 092 0002 1 61 072 0238 0 61 072 0002 1 58 084 1918 0 58 084 0002 1 58 107 0238 0 58 107 0002 1 58 100 0238 0 58 100 0002 1 58 090 0478 0 58 090 0002 1 63 094 0718 0 63 094 0002 1 65 096 0240 1 66 086 0012 0 65 096 0466 0 66 086 0002 1 65 086 0478 0 65 086 0002 1 63 097 0478 0 63 097 0002 1 61 098 0718 0 61 098 0002 1 60 083 0238 0 60 083 0002 1 61 087 0478 0 61 087 0002 1 62 086 2398 0 62 086 0002 1 63 089 0238 0 63 089 0002 1 65 086 0238 0 65 086 0002 1 67 095 0958 0 67 095 0002 1 67 095 0238 0 67 095 0002 1 67 094 0238 0 67 094 0002 1 65 082 0478 0 65 082 0002 1 67 092 0718 0 67 092 0002 1 68 094 0238 0 68 094 0002 1 67 099 0478 0 67 099 0002 1 65 091 0718 0 65 091 0002 1 63 078 0238 0 63 078 0002 1 65 085 0478 0 65 085 0002 1 58 075 1918 0 58 075 0002 1 60 086 0478 0 60 086 0002 1 60 088 0718 0 60 088 0002 1 62 079 0238 0 62 079 0002 1 63 100 0478 0 63 100 0002 1 58 082 0478 0 58 082 0002 1 55 078 0478 0 55 078 0002 1 51 085 0478 0 51 085 0002 1 53 088 2398 0 53 088 0002 1 51 088 0238 0 51 088 0002 1 51 082 0238 0 51 082 0002 1 51 101 2405 0 51 101
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

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ABC format:

X:1
T:The Tinkerman's Daughter
M:3/4
Q:1/4=100
K:Eb
E6|E2F2E2|C2B,3C|_D2C3A,|B,2E,4|-E,4E,2|E,2F,3_G,|
F,4B,B,|B,3CD2|B,6|-B,4C_D|E2F2E2|C4B,C|_D2C3A,|
B,2E,4|-E,4E,E,|E,2F,3_G,|F,2B,3B,|B,2_G,2F,2|
E,6|-E,4B,B,|B,2E2F2|_G2F3E|_D2E2F2|E_DB,4|
-B,4B,B,|B,2E3F|_G2F2E2|_D3C_D2|D6|-D4EF|
G4GG|F2G3A|G2F3E|F2B,4|-B,4C2|C3DE2|B,2G,2E,2|
F,6|-F,4E,E,|E,6|-E,6||

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Jan
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 12:47 AM

Thank very much to everyone who replied. Sorry it's taken so long for me to get back but I've been sick since I posted the thread and have only just got back to work today.

Thanks to Charlie, Meg and Bill for the info re recordings - I'll try to get as many as possible. That's interesting about the two tunes, Charlie - I wonder which one it is that I heard. Also intersting that it's a modern song - I got the impression it was a real oldie - thanks Meg. And Bill and Allison, what does it mean when it says "Shop - Houston/Voices"? Does it mean you have/work in a music shop?

Yes Barbara, I'd LOVE to have that transcription of the longer song's tune, whenever you get a chance. Blessings to you too!

And thank you Alison for your version. It's very tantalising cos I'm still a novice at this computer/internet stuff and it'll take me a while to get it sorted out.

It's so exciting to be able to do this, isn't it? Just to put a question out there and find a bunch of people from so many different, far away places who know about it and share your interest - what a buzz!

Lovely to meet you all.

Jan

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Jan
Date: 14 Sep 99 - 01:21 AM

Just moving the thread back to the top to renew contact....... hopefully. :-)

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: alison
Date: 14 Sep 99 - 09:18 AM

Jan,

where are you in Oz? I'm in Sydney... if it is easier, send me your email address and I'll send you a GIF of the music.

slainte

alison ([e-mail])

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Jan
Date: 14 Sep 99 - 07:58 PM

Alison,

I'm in Sydney too! Maybe I've even met you along the way somewhere. Do you go to any of the Irish sessions around town?

I'd love to have the GIF of the music, whenever you can get a chance. My email address is:

[e-mail]

Thanks and slainte to you too!

Jan

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: BK
Date: 15 Sep 99 - 12:09 AM

Danny Doyle has a lovely recording of (all his stuff is great!) on one of his more recent CD's, "Under A Connemara Moon" REGO, #CDR3039. Great CD, BTW. I particularly like "The Rose of Saigon." Very powerful, & done in flawless taste & voice. Really something

Cheers, BK

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: jan
Date: 15 Sep 99 - 02:39 AM

Thanks BK. I haven't heard Danny Doyle but I'll seek him out on your recommendation.

I'm sure my internet ignorance is showing but, what does BTW mean?

Cheerio,

Jan

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: alison
Date: 15 Sep 99 - 02:45 AM

BTW = by the way.....

I frequent the Western Sydney Folk club... playing this weekend at a festival in Grose Vale, our own festival is on 8th & 9th October in Toongabbie... I'm sure alan will start an actual thread about it.... please come along and make yourself known..... The GIF is on it's way.

slainte

alison

Subject: Tune Add: THE TINKERMAN'S DAUGHTER
From: Barbara
Date: 19 Sep 99 - 03:48 AM

Here's the tune for the long version; tho a friend tells me that the end of each line is 5/4 (one beat more). This is past the ability of the program to transcribe, I believe. That is to say, the first line is "When rooks ripped down at eventide" and the word 'eventide' is held for one extra count.
Clear as mud? Then buy the CD.
Blessings,
Barbara

MIDI file: tnkrmd1.mid

Timebase: 240

TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
0720 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 70 080 0192 0 70 064 0048 1 69 080 0288 0 69 064 0072 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 57 080 0192 0 57 064 0048 1 60 080 0288 0 60 064 0072 1 60 080 0096 0 60 064 0024 1 62 080 0192 0 62 064 0048 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 64 080 0096 0 64 064 0024 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 60 080 0288 0 60 064 0072 1 58 080 0096 0 58 064 0024 1 57 080 0288 0 57 064 0072 1 69 080 0096 0 69 064 0024 1 69 080 0288 0 69 064 0072 1 70 080 0096 0 70 064 0024 1 69 080 0288 0 69 064 0072 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 57 080 0192 0 57 064 0048 1 60 080 0288 0 60 064 0072 1 60 080 0096 0 60 064 0024 1 62 080 0288 0 62 064 0072 1 62 080 0096 0 62 064 0024 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 64 080 0288 0 64 064 0072 1 65 080 0288 0 65 064 0072 1 72 080 0096 0 72 064 0024 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 70 080 0192 0 70 064 0048 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0048 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 65 080 0288 0 65 064 0072 1 69 080 0096 0 69 064 0024 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 70 080 0192 0 70 064 0048 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 70 080 0288 0 70 064 0072 1 69 080 0096 0 69 064 0024 1 67 080 0288 0 67 064 0072 1 69 080 0096 0 69 064 0024 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 70 080 0192 0 70 064 0048 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 69 080 0192 0 69 064 0048 1 67 080 0192 0 67 064 0048 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 62 080 0288 0 62 064 0072 1 60 080 0096 0 60 064 0024 1 69 080 0288 0 69 064 0072 1 69 080 0096 0 69 064 0024 1 70 080 0288 0 70 064 0072 1 67 080 0096 0 67 064 0024 1 65 080 0192 0 65 064 0048 1 64 080 0192 0 64 064 0048 1 65 080 0288 0 65 064
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:
M:4/4
Q:1/4=100
K:C
A8|A2^A2A3G|F2A,2C3C|D2E2F2ED|C3^A,A,3A|A3^AA3G|
F2A,2C3C|D3DE2F2|GE3F3c|A2^A2c2A2|G2E2F3A|
A2^A2c2A2|^A3AG3A|A2^A2c2A2|G2F2D3C|A3A^A3G|
F2E2F5/2||

Subject: RE: Music for song The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Jan
Date: 21 Sep 99 - 07:18 PM

Barbara,

Thanks - couldn't be muddier! Your help is much appreciated.

Blessings

Jan

Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: mark142857
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 04:18 PM

If anyone want the chords to this superb song, I've worked them out and put the results on the www.ultimate-guitar.com website. I've also done Supermarket Wine, another Mickey MacConnell classic. Enjoy!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 07:00 PM

Mickey is a Mudcat member. Perhaps he'll pick up this thread.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:18 PM

I think this may be something like what the MidiText98 garble actually meant:

X:1
T:The Red Headed Anne
M:4/4
Q:1/4=100
K:F
A|A2B2 A3G |F2A,2 C3C|D2E2 F2ED|C3B, B,3
B|A3B B3G |F2A,2 C3C|D3D E2F2|GE3 F3
c|A2B2 c2B2|G2E2 F3A|A2B2 c2B2|B3B G3
B|A2B2 c2B2|G2F2 D3C|A3A B3G |F2E2 F3|]

Not a tune I recognize - sounds like a hymn.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Barbara
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:06 PM

Jack, the clever little translation device that I used at the time failed to recognize the difference between the keys of C and F which resulted in a very odd melody. If you would like a midi or the dots, PM me, and I'll ship it off to you. The version I have is the long one with words by Sigerson Clifford and tune by Mike Dennehy.
Blessings,
Barbara

Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Tinkerman's Daughter
From: Silas
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 01:12 PM

Is this 'The Red Headed Anne' song? If it is, Ian Bruce does a cracking job of it.