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The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC

Arthur_itus 15 Dec 10 - 04:00 PM
Arthur_itus 15 Dec 10 - 04:24 PM
GUEST 15 Dec 10 - 04:35 PM
Arthur_itus 15 Dec 10 - 04:39 PM
GUEST,Graham Bradshaw 16 Dec 10 - 08:03 AM
Arthur_itus 16 Dec 10 - 08:15 AM
GUEST 16 Dec 10 - 09:19 AM
GUEST 27 Dec 10 - 01:46 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 27 Dec 10 - 02:03 PM
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Subject: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 04:00 PM

James McKeefry is just like Mick & Lester from Folkwaves.
He is very professional and gives the same outstanding service to fringe music.

So much has been said on the Folkwaves thread and thsi is exactly the same situation.

I don't know how many people listen to Celtic Fringe, but just like Folkwaves, should not be able to die.

Just to remind you

Clause 5.3 of the BBC local radio remit under the BBC Local Radio Service Licence as published by the BBC Trust issued 27 March 2009 viz:

5.3 Stimulating creativity and cultural excellence: BBC Local Radio should contribute to this purpose amongst its audience. It should provide ...opportunities for new and emerging musicians from the local area and support local arts and music events by providing event information. Music output should be mainstream in peaktime and include specialist in off-peak hours. Specialist music should be appropriate to the area. Current and recent chart hits should represent no more than 15% of weekly music output."

Do we love BBC - oh no we don't


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 04:24 PM

I just rang this program and they refused to let me talk about Celtic Fringe and Folkwaves. They have a phone in situation

Covers East Midlands
Radio Derby, Lincolnshire, leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
21:00
?00:00
...15/12/2010
Amanda Bowman . Join the conversation on 0845 303 9303 (local rate). .

Please start phoning.


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 04:35 PM

Les - see the other thread. There is a new version of the Local Radio Licence dated May 2010. (it is much the same - but best quote the current one I feel!!)


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 15 Dec 10 - 04:39 PM

They wouldn't entertain any talk on the subject.

I gave answer to their silly quiz and then said I wanted to tak to Amanda about the axing of Folkwaves and Celtic Fringe.

I held the bloke on for a few minutes until he was getting desperate. :-)

if a few more did that, it would be rather humerous.


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: GUEST,Graham Bradshaw
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 08:03 AM

I hope I don't detect a trend here.

First Folkwaves and then Celtic Fringe. Is this the BBC starting to chop all minority interest progs in order to save money? Hope not.

I was a victim of something similar in the early 90s when Commercial Radio did much the same and my prog (which had run for 10 years)was chopped, along with most of the other niche genres. Now that station is an homogenised clone of all the others.

I thought the BBC was supposed to be 'public service broadcasting'? That now seems to be what they perceive as the 'majority' of the public, and not all the various minorities (which together of course make up a substantial body of listeners).


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 08:15 AM

Yes it is the start Graham

OK so here is the latest clause

5.3 Stimulating creativity and cultural excellence

BBC Local Radio should contribute to this purpose amongst its audience. It should
provide opportunities for new and emerging musicians from the local area and
support local arts and music events by providing event information.

Music output should be mainstream in peaktime and include specialist in off-peak
hours. Specialist music should be appropriate to the area. Current and recent chart
hits should represent no more than 15% of weekly music output.

BBC Local Radio stations should take advantage of their structure ? small teams and
no formal commissioning structure - to act as a test bed for new production ideas
and ways of working, and for developing new talent.



So they are obviously not living up to their word.


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 09:19 AM

It is not to save money, Graham I doubt there is much money involved. It is simple cultural vandalism and aiming for the lowest common denominator.


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 01:46 PM

Hi I've only just caught up with what is happening up in the Midlands, there is a lot of rather unwelcome stuff going on in BBC local Radio at the moment, if anyone feels strongly please join the new forum for BBC LR listeners. It's independent of the supposedly independent BBC you can find it at www.bbclocalradioforum.co.uk


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Subject: RE: The end of Celtic Fringe from BBC
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 02:03 PM

Taken from one of the main threads on the link given above:

The Decline of Local BBC Radio - Petition



>>>>Opened on November 27, 2010 | Contact Petition Author

To Mark Thompson, Director General of the BBC and Michael Lyons, Chair of
the BBC Trust,


    The following is taken from this article
http://radiotoday.co.uk/news.php?extend.6489

      This is extremely worrying news for anyone who values their BBC Local
Radio station for what it is and what it should be. This may be the thin
end of a large wedge, once the localness of a station is lost, the chances
of reclaiming it will shrink. We know the BBC is under pressure to make
cuts but historically BBC LR has alway been bottom of the food chain when it
comes to funding. Is it right that some of the first cuts be made here?


      Quote
    " Five BBC local radio stations are to try out sharing programmes on
weekday afternoons, ahead of a longer-term plan to have regional shows in
daytime.

      In an email to staff in the English Regions, controller David
Holdsworth announced that three stations in Yorkshire and three in the South
East would be the first to pilot the idea of networking between neighbouring
stations.

      David told staff: "When the BBC published its strategy review in the
spring we said that our main aim was to strengthen content and journalism at
breakfast and mid-mornings by spending more on those programmes. This was a
key recommendation of the Local Radio task force which Editors were involved
in. We have made good progress but resources are finite and we are looking
at the impact of reducing the amount of other local output to free up enough
people and time to improve these morning shows where the biggest audiences
tune in."

      Daytime sharing will be tested in Yorkshire across Radio Sheffield,
Radio Leeds and Radio York which will have one afternoon show presented by
Liz Green from February 2011. At Radio Kent and BBC Sussex and Surrey, the
drivetime show will be presented by Dominic King and will start next month
on Monday 6 December 2010. The pilots will last for six months."
      End Quote.



BBC Local stations MUST be local. Their value is to react to the days news
both national and local and provide the opportunity for listeners to have
their say as local MPs and representatives of councils etc are put on air.
To continue that properly over a much larger catchment area is certainly now
in question. Local content will become diluted. BBC Local radio is very
interactive in its nature and many listeners rely upon it.as point of social
contact.

The stations also support local charites and causes..and act as a parish notice board.


We the undersigned, value BBC Local Radio and hope that you continue to
respect it and protect it as a valuable part of Our BBC. The role of the
BBC at a local level is to provide a public service and networking of local
stations will be very damaging .<<<<


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