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48-bar jigs - recommendations?

Will Fly 21 Dec 10 - 05:35 AM
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Subject: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 05:35 AM

Our ceilidh band occasionally has a caller with a penchant for dances which require 48-bar jigs. We know two or three but would like to get a grip on a few more.

Before I start trawling through my tune collections and trying a few out - and before I pick up a pen and start concocting my own - do you have any recommendations for 48-bar jigs with good tunes?


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Alan Day
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 05:53 AM

Round Britain Jig by Roger Watson and Nigel Chippendale is a cracker.
I will send you the music over
Al


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:12 AM

Many thanks Al! Appreciated.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Marje
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:16 AM

"Random" and "Hexham Quadrille" (aka "I'll get Wed in my Auld Claes") are cracking tunes, as is Morgan Rattler, which is often played after Paddy Carey.
If you want any of these and can't track them down, let me know. I think the last two, at least, are in the Lewes Tunes collection.

Marje


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:18 AM

One of our Local Pairings is 'The Seven Stars' and 'The Oyster Girl'
in D and G !


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Marje
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:30 AM

Seven Stars isn't a 48-bar tune, though, is it? I know there is a third section that's sometimes added to the Oyster Girl to make it a 48-bar, although it always sounds a bit out of place to me.

Marje


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:33 AM

behind the haystack, blarney pilgrim, banish misfortune, cook in the kitchen.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:44 AM

Lovely - thanks all - and keep 'em comin' if you know others.

We do Paddy Carey and Morgan Rattler - sometimes each paired with something else, just to vary the mix. So, for example, we pair Paddy Carey with Herbert The Sherbert.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:48 AM

The Sweets of May alternating with Dingle Regatta always works well! I prefer alternating tunes rather than doing one to death then changing, as seems to be the modern fashion!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Bernard
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:49 AM

"The Sweets of May alternating with Dingle Regatta always works well! I prefer alternating tunes rather than doing one to death then changing, as seems to be the modern fashion!"

That guest was me without a cookie!! Ooops!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:51 AM

A Trip to the Lakes rolls along nicely in G.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:00 AM

Merrily kiss the Quaker.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: terrier
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:02 AM

Use any of your favourite 32 bar jigs played aabbab or aaabbb.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:08 AM

http://www.ceilidhsoc.org/music.html?_sn=&_skw=&_sg=48+Bar+Jig&_sr=&_sc=&_sk=&_sm=&_ssi=0&_ssi=1&Search=Search


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:24 AM

"Advice to the ladies" off Cock and Bull band's "Eyes closed and rocking" is a good one that can take a lot of variations without needing to go to a second tune.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:26 AM

Use any of your favourite 32 bar jigs played aabbab or aaabbb.

Yup - been there and done that in emergencies! :-)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:27 AM

Manitas - many thanks to the link for the Ceilidh Soc website. Now bookmarked!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:58 AM

Hello

I'm not usually precious about these things, quite the opposite actually, but . . .

Couldn't help noticing that one of my tunes 'herbert the sherbet' listed here as a 48 bar tune. It isn't, it's 32 bars and always has been. I understand somone may have added an extra part to my original, which I heard once, didn't like much and was slightly miffed that it's been recorded under my title.

I suppose in the big scheme of things it really doesn't matter but if I play 'H the S' in a session and someone bursts in with this third part, thus grinding to a halt in the mess that ensues and tells me I'm playing it wrong then it rankles ever so slightly.

Highly strung diva rant over.

Martin


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 08:12 AM

Hi Martin Ellison - that's fascinating comment on "Herbert The Sherbert"! The tune was brought to us by the melodeon/sax player in our band, who independently goes to lots of festivals, Morris events, etc. - where he'd heard the tune in this version. I don't happen to have the sheet music that he dished out, so I don't know the origin of his copy. I'm seeing him tonight at a local carol concert in the pub - I'll ask him about it.

If the bastardised version is making the rounds as a 48-bar jig, no wonder it's galling for you - and my sympathies! Mmm.. is this the "folk process" at work? :-)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 08:32 AM

Apart from playing 2 part tunes aabbab you could always play the 3 part tune Galopede aabbcc (the dance of the same name is 32 bars so the tune is usually played aabc).
This brings with it the same danger of someone going onto autopilot and miscounting.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 08:35 AM

The Victorian tune known as 'The Abbots Bromley Horn Dance' may never have been actually used for the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance, but is a cracking 48-bar jig.

And 'Horizonto' by Paul James is also a great tune, although it should really be played by 1990-era Blowzabella at full tilt for best effect :)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 08:44 AM

Galopede as i remember it is in4/4,
to me that is as inappropriate as playing the siege of ennis to jigs
Merrily kiss the quaker is supposed to be a slide , although i think it works better played slower as a jig, and i do not like 32 bar jigs played as 48 when there are plenty of good 48bar jigs, it is desperation stuff, to do that to 32bar jigs.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: clueless don
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 08:49 AM

If you are willing to consider Irish tunes, Langstrom's Pony is a fine four part jig. Depending on which parts you play once and which twice, you should be able to get 48 bars out of it.

Now I'm waiting for people to say that it's really a Scottish tune.

Don


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 08:59 AM

We use "A night on the gin"with "The Bedbreaker"
And    "Boanupstekker" with "The Jockanory Jig"

four excellent 48 bar Jigs from Peeping Tom CDs

Gerry


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 09:08 AM

do you know these 2? the first I found in an ancient copy of the EFDSS
magazine and was written by a John Stapleford or Stapleton
the second I copied out of someone's book at a Whitby festival a few years ago I know it's a slide but it still works




X:1
T:Strawplaiter's Jig
M:6/8
K:d
A|\
D2d fed|B3 A3|g3 f3|e2d cBA|
D2d fed|B3 A3|A2e c2B|ABc d3::
A2A AFA|B2B BGB|A2A AFA|G2F E2G|
A2A AFA|B2B BGB|A2g f2e|ABc d3::
D2E F2G|A3 f3|e2d c2B|A3 f3|
g2f efg|f2e def|e2d cde|d6::

X:2
T:The Barrel Organ
M:12/8
K:G
D|\
G2e dcB F2E E2G|FGA DEF G2B D2F|
G2e dcB F2E E2G|FGA DEF (G3 G2)::
B|\
D2B g2B d2c A2B|cBc efe d2B G2B|
D2B g2B d2c A2g|fed Cba (G3 G2)::
G|\
fed c2e e2d B2g|fed cBA G2B d2g|
fed c2e e2d B2g|fed cBA(G3 G2)::

Gerry


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 09:12 AM

Or these 4 sent to me a couple of years ago by Anahata


X: 10
T: Cream Pot, The (The Kern Staff)
Z: Edited to std ABC Anahata
Z: Also made similar to Brian Peters' version
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
S: William Vickers c1770
F: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/
K: G
G2A B2c | dBd efg | G2A B2c | dBG AFD |
E2C CEG | F2D D2c BdB cAF |1 G3 A3 :|2 G3-G2D |
K:D
d2e f2g | afd ecA | faf ege | fdf ecA |
B2G GBd | c2A AcA | BdB cec |1(d3 d2) A :|2 d3 =c3 |
K:G
B2 g gdB | B2 g gdB | A2 A ABc | BAG AFD |
E2C CEG | F2D D2c | BdB cAF | (G3 G2) :|

X: 0
T: The Basquet of Oysters
Z: Anahata
N: From Johnny Adams, transcribed from Memory
N: It's probably in the VMP somewhere
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: G
P: A
B | d2g gfg | a2f d2B | c2c cBc | d2B G2B |
d2g gfg | a2f d2B | cBc d2B |1 G3 B2 :|2 G3-G2 |
P: B
d |Bcd Bcd | e2c e2c | ABc ABc | d2Bd2B |
ded Bdg | f2e c2e | ded cBA | G3-G2 :|
P: C
d | e2d B2G | AAA A2d | e2d cBA | GGG G2d |
e2d BAG | AAA A2d | e2d cBA | GGG G2 :|

X: 12
T:Four Seasons
M:6/8
L:1/8
Z:C.G.P
K:G
|:d3 BGB|dcB A2D|G2D A2D|dcB A3|
d3 BGB|dcB A2D|G2D A2D|BcA G3:|
|:FGF EFG|GFE F2D|FGF EFG|GFE F2A|
FGF EFG|GFE F2D|FGF EFG|GFE D3:|
|:ABA d3|ABA F3|ABA GAG|EFG F2D|
ABA d3|ABA F3|ABA GAG|EFE D3:||

X:2
T:the Feathers
N:A new sett.
M:6/8
R:Jig
%%RR_OriginalCollection:
%
O:Scotland
Z:Richard Robinson
Z:modified by Dave Holland
B:Aird's Airs and Melodies vol 3
K:G
D|\
G2G G2g| gfe d3| c2B A2G| FGA D3|
G2G G2g| gfe d2c| BAG DGF| G3 G2::
D2D D2d| dcB c2B| D2D D2c| cBA B2G|
G2G G2g| gfe d2c| BAG DGF| G3 G2::
A|\
TBAB G2A| TBAB G2A| BAG BAG| A2D D2A|
TBAB G2A| TBAB G2d| ecB AGF| G3 G2:|

Gerry


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 09:37 AM

A regular set hearabouts is Blarney Pilgrim/Battering Ram, although sometimes in Yorkshire the first tune is termed Barnsley Pilgrim!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 10:44 AM

What a great set of recommendations - excellent - and much appreciated!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Lester
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 11:14 AM

X:411
T:Weasel in the Grass
M:6/8
K:G
B2 B A2 B | AGG G2 d | efg dBG | BAA A3 |
B2 B A2 B | AGG G2 d | efg dBG |1 cAF G2 z :|2 cAF G2 ||
g | fed cBA | BGG G2 g | fed cBA | eAA A2 g |
fed cBA | BGG G2 d | efg dBG | cAF G2 :||
z | E2 E EDE | G3 G2 G | A2 A AGA | B3 Bcd |
edc edc | d2 B G2 B | A2 B c2 B | A2 G FED |
E2 E EDE | G3 G2 G | A2 A AGA | B3 Bcd |
edc edc | d2 B Ggg | fed cBA | G3 G3 ||


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 11:23 AM

oh dear, I read '48 bar' and ignored 'jig' -sorry.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 11:51 AM

"If the bastardised version is making the rounds as a 48-bar jig, no wonder it's galling for you - and my sympathies!"

Hi Will
Maybe that's a bit strong, not galling exactly just mildly irritating. I can live with it.
Martin


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:13 PM

After chatting to a band colleague this afternoon, it turns out that our sax player had got hold of some printed sheet music which credited you with themes A and B - and someone else with theme C. Whatever - it's a great tune, and I have to confess I'd never have known the story behind it. :-)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:27 PM

bloody outrageous sticking something on to someone elses work with out asking them, and then getting credited for the addition.
why dont they just write their own tunes


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 03:16 PM

Any chance of someone posting "The Abbots Bromley Horn Dance"in ABC form please

Gerry


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: GUEST,SteveG
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 04:25 PM

Somebody mentioned 'Cook in the Kitchen'. It goes nicely with 'Father Kelly's' but both in the same key.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Lester
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 04:42 AM

X:5
T:Abbots Bromley Horn Dance
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:Em
e|B2 e G2 e|B2 e E2 G|FGA GAB|AGF G2 e|
B2 e G2 e|B2 e E2 G|FGA GAB|AGF E2||
e|c2 c cde|A2 A ABc|FGA GFE|DEF B,2 g|
e2 e efg|c2 c cde|dcB AGF|E3-E2||
z|BcB c3|BcB e3|BcB AGF|E3 E2 z|
BcB c3|BcB e3|BcB AGF|E3 E2 z||

Not sure what key is "normal" I play it in Em because I have a melodeon :)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: treewind
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:23 AM

In addition to Gerry/Banjo-flower's contributions on my behalf, may I also suggest:
"The Valiant" (by Simon Ritchie)
"When Daylight Shines"
"The Alexander" (various sources, but we use the one from William Clarke of Feltwell's ms.) it's allegedly a bit of a bugger to play on the fiddle, but we manage on melodeon and English concertina
"Sally Sloane's" a.k.a. "Trip to Cottingham"

While I used to play 32 bar tunes AABBAB when I didn't know any better, it seems to me that many 48 bar jigs are fabulous tunes so it's a shame not to use them.

Also haven't Sweets of May and Dingle Regatta been done to DEATH?
(beginning to think that about Paddy Carey and Morgan Rattler too)

ABCs available on request
Anahata


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:47 AM

Thanks for your help Lester its much appreciated

Gerry


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Lester
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:52 AM

And to go before Anahata's suggestion of When Daylight Shines how's about Oats, Peas, Beans?


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 07:21 AM

Note that although usually played as 32 bars there is a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl".
In fact you need all 48 bars for the song!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 08:35 AM

I think The old Swan Band do a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl"called a"basquet of Oysters"

Gerry


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 08:56 AM

Not sure what key is "normal" I play it in Em because I have a melodeon :)

My understanding is that it was originally published in the people's key of Gm, but is most often heard these days in Em as posted by Lester. I'm not at home so can't look it up, but a date of the 1860s comes to mind, & it's in Gm in one of those small yellow Fiddlers Tune Books by Peter Kennedy.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: treewind
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 09:21 AM

I think The old Swan Band do a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl"called a"basquet of Oysters"
That's the one you posted the ABC for a few messages back!

"Basquet" has the B music of the Oyster Girl as its B music, with a different A and C.

But the other 48 bar Oyster Girl is the usual Oyster Girl A and B with a C music that I suspect (as does Marje, apparently) comes from somewhere else, tacked on the end.


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 09:24 AM

'small yellow Fiddlers' - the Suzuki method?? 8-)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 09:42 AM

"I think The old Swan Band do a 48 bar version of "The Oyster Girl"called a"basquet of Oysters"
That's the one you posted the ABC for a few messages back!"

I think I''rename it "Senior Moment"

Gerry


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 09:56 AM

I like putting Bang Upp (Lewes Favourites Tune Book) with The Bedbreaker (Lewes Favourites supplement).

Oats, Peas & Beans with When Daylight Shines (both in the Lewes Favourites Tune Book).

Tarantella Calabria or Calabrese (Lewes Favourites supplement - Ed Rennie brought it to one of our workshops and it's gone feral)

Sprando (ask Michael Curry, or I can send you a pdf)

Sally Sloan's Jig (Hardcore English) makes a good tune to follow Sprando.

Anything in the Lewes Favourites main tune book and supplement can be downloaded in abc, Noteworthy Composer and midi.

Tootle pip,

Valmai (Lewes)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: treewind
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 10:51 AM

"Bang Upp"

I knew there was a really good one I'd missed!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 11:06 AM

jackson frieze coat,paddy rafferty,pipe on the hob[a minor one]


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 12:25 PM

heres a good one no49 in the proper oneills [green one]hare in the corn,. starts in g and ends in d


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 03:56 AM

New Sunderland Pier (Vickers). Many thanks to Matt Seattle for bringing that one to a Lewes workshop. It has a series of enormous joyful leaps in the C music.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of the English 48-bar jigs are in D?

Valmai (Lewes)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 08:21 AM

Is it a coincidence that a lot of the English 48-bar jigs are in D?

Here's a totally off-the-top-of-my-head-theory - as so many 48 bar tunes
either change key up/down a fifth, or go into the relative minor, in the B part, many 48 bar tunes start in D so that the B part is in one of Em, Bm, or G, and therefore in an 'easy' key(*) so that most instruments can keep playing all the way through?

* (yes I know D or G isn't an easy key on the Ab Pedantophone)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: IanC
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 08:51 AM

Dingle Regatta works well, and there's an Irish 3-bar version of "The Quaker's Wife".

:-)


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: IanC
Date: 23 Dec 10 - 08:51 AM

3 part!!!


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Subject: RE: 48-bar jigs - recommendations?
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 01:30 PM

Monty Python AKA Liberty Bell may be worth looking at just to see the look on people's faces when the penny drops

Gerry


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