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Subject: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: radriano Date: 02 Sep 99 - 06:40 PM While surfing the net a while ago I ran across a web site for O'Neil's Music of Ireland. The idea was to get the entire O'Neil's collection online. Anyone out there know the address of that site? I'm continuing to search but thought I'd pose the question to you Mudcat folks. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Date: 02 Sep 99 - 09:51 PM I was looking for it the other day and couldn't find it either.... MMario |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Liam's Brother Date: 02 Sep 99 - 11:08 PM Hi! I can't tell you about O'Neill's on-line but I was at the headquarters of Ossian in Cork City last week and I learned that Ossian is compiling a book which is a complete O'Neill's collection. I understand that it will be available by the end of the year. As I'm sure you know, Ossian books and recordings are available in the U.S. from Ossian USA.
All the best, |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: katlaughing Date: 02 Sep 99 - 11:20 PM I don't think this is the site you'd seen earlier, but it looked pretty interesting on some of the same subject: katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Date: 02 Sep 99 - 11:34 PM 250 of the 842 tunes in P. W. Joyce's 'Old Irish Folk Music and Songs' (1909) are at faeryland.tamu-commerce.edu/joyce At the end of the page (which takes a while to load) is a link to the online O'Neill project, but it wouldn't work for me. Mel Bay now distributes the former Collins reprint of O'Neill's 'Music of Irleand' with a list price of $25, but I couldn't find it listed on the Mel Bay website.
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: katlaughing Date: 02 Sep 99 - 11:52 PM I love sleuthing on the net, esp. with a few clues! Thanks to Anonymous, I was able to find the book at Mel Bay for a listed price of $29.95. I followed the other addy given above and also found an outdated link, but that led to the Irish Fest in Milwakee, so I emailed them, asking if they had any info on the website for O'Neill's music and asking them to either email me or post to this thread. Hope this helps! kat |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Guy Wolff Date: 03 Sep 99 - 12:25 AM THe story goes{I may have said this else-where}<<<>>> My grandfathers best Friend in CHicago at the turn of the century was the chief of Police and my father used to joke that he would hire any good Fiddle player from the home country{Irerland} no mater if he was the corect height for the police department {very inportant} or not just as long as he was a great fiddler.It must be the same Guy don't you think???My father said the parties were not to be forgotten!! Yours Guy |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: katlaughing Date: 03 Sep 99 - 12:31 AM Ummm, Guy, darlin', didja get yer threads mixed up; been in the Tavern a might long? Maybe meant that for the Regional Humour????**BG** kat |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Liam's Brother Date: 03 Sep 99 - 12:31 AM This, Guy, is the story told about the one-and-only Chief O'Neill.
All the best, |
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Subject: Tune Add: AN GLEANN DRAOIDEACTA / ENCHANTED VALLEY From: Date: 03 Sep 99 - 01:24 AM This will get you started, and only 1849 more to go (for somebody else to do. Volunteers?).
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: John in Brisbane Date: 03 Sep 99 - 04:57 AM I'm in Sydney at the moment and don't have access to my links but Tunes at Ceolas will give you some of the clues. In particular there is site called something like The Sectionalised Worldwide ABC Index which has something of the order of 8000 tunes available. If the O'Neill site is accessible it should be referenced from there. If you wish to print any of the tunes ABC2WIN is excwllent at $15. Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: GeorgeH Date: 03 Sep 99 - 06:51 AM This (the O'Neill's site) was discussed elsewhere recently (I guess on uk.m.f. - a dejanews search should turn it up). It seems the person working on it had to change ISP for some reason, so it's "temporarily" off-line. G. |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: j0_77 Date: 03 Sep 99 - 01:49 PM I tried years go to get NPU (Na Piobari Uillean) in Dublin to agree to poll the members on this one. Nothing ever came of it. I would be happy to do some tunes but not the whole book! If there were lots of contributions (tunes) then it could be completed in a few months. Eg 50 contributions of 20 tunes etc., or 200 contibutions of 5 tunes. |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: MMario Date: 03 Sep 99 - 02:09 PM Actually - while hunting around the other day I DID find a "status" page on the O'Niell project - and all the songs have been entered, but some haven't been proofed yet. But of course now I cannot find THAT.... senility is setting in fast... |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Date: 03 Sep 99 - 03:07 PM The wide web abc tune index sources list is here: Click It was updated yesterday. I don't recognize the O'Neill Project among the sources. At the bottom of the file one can click to the actual tune index. It's slightly over a megabyte so it takes a while to load the whole thing. |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: katlaughing Date: 08 Sep 99 - 06:10 PM At the original link, there was a link which led to the Milwaukee Irish Festival. I emailed them, on 9/2, to ask if they knew anything. They just responded today by saying this fellow: (I am spelling out his address so it won't get aced out, 'cause I didn't do it in html) dan at celticmusic dot com. Anyway, I just sent him email. Will let you know what he says. kat |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Date: 08 Sep 99 - 06:22 PM Thanx |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: katlaughing Date: 08 Sep 99 - 06:25 PM You're welcome. I am laughing at myself because I just noticed I forgot to finish the sentence! They said dan at celticmusic might be able to help!:[- |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Dan Beimborn (Dan at Celticmusic.com) Date: 08 Sep 99 - 07:09 PM Hello, I was the original project coordinator for the O'Neill's Project to key all of _O'Neill's Music of Ireland_ into abc. If you can believe it, we got about 95% done when we hit a hitch.. Milwaukee Irish Fest got worried about copyright issues and asked us to pull the site. It's now been moved to "fresh hands" at http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/book/oneills/ If you are interested in helping out, they are looking for proofreaders (and you get the abc files then!) Dan Beimborn http://www.celticmusic.com http://www.irishmusic.com |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: katlaughing Date: 08 Sep 99 - 07:58 PM Thank, Dan! That was a fast response. We really appreciate it! Come on back and join us sometime. Here is a blue click thingie and I will put this in the Links page, too. O'Neil's Irish Music Kat |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: radriano Date: 09 Sep 99 - 12:35 PM Thank you, everybody, for all the info on the O'Neill site. What a wealth of information this Mudcat site is. Regards to all, Richard Adrianowicz |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: The Shambles Date: 06 Jun 00 - 04:17 AM Barbara (blessings), asked me a question about this collection in another thread. I didn't know the answer and hoped that someone else would. If the answer is not here in this thread already Barbara, maybe you could ask it here? |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: The Shambles Date: 06 Jun 00 - 09:47 AM I found the question. That's particularly interesting about O'Neill's, Sham, because when I started learning tunes from that book, my friends who'd been playing Irish stuff for a while informed me that the tunes were not meant to be played as written. The book logs the tunes in eighth notes, and my friends said they should be played with dotted eighths and sixteenth notes. They said the convention was to transcribe the tune straight, but to swing it when you played it. Is that convention followed in the UK? |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: radriano Date: 06 Jun 00 - 01:51 PM I believe it is correct not to play the tunes as strictly written, for a number of reasons. First, as mentioned in the previous posting, what the Irish call the "lift" in music is not generally written in, partly to save space and energy in transcribing but also to allow for individual interpretation. There is supposed to be a lot of improvisation in Irish music! The phrasing of a tune partly depends upon the instrument you are playing. That's why some people prefer not to have the ornamentation shown. You're not supposed to ornament in exactly the same place every time. Also, for example, the whistle or the flute can do a roll on a high E note, but a fiddle can't. Conversely, the fiddle can do a roll on a high D but the flute can't. The other obvious factor is the range of your instrument. Whistle and flute players will do what's called "folding" when a melody has a note that is below their range. In other words, they will play the notes an octave higher or change the phrase to fit their instrument. The bottom line is that there is no one "correct" version of any tune. Settings of tunes are regional, for the most part. The other thing worth mentioning is that it is considered okay to flatten or sharpen a note if that's how you hear the tune. In the "tradition" even those that compose tunes don't expect others to play their tunes exactly as they were written. Radriano |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Sorcha Date: 06 Jun 00 - 02:46 PM It is true that hornpipes, in particular, are played long/short, and a lot of the set dances as well. I have the Krassen edition of the O'Neill's, and none of the tunes are printed long/short. Helps a lot to know what it sounds like. |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Gypsy Date: 06 Jun 00 - 11:39 PM We treat the BIG yellow book as a fakebook. The tune will be basic, and the ornaments, personal. But it is surely a help to have everyone with the same reference point! |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: GUEST,barrygeo Date: 07 Jun 00 - 11:33 AM For those interested in irish sheet music here is an interesting site. www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~tradsoc/ It will also play the tune for you.
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: Spooks Date: 07 Jun 00 - 05:08 PM I have also been looking for the O'Neill's online site. I've tried the above links and can't get to it. If any- one has a correct link please post. Thanks Tim |
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Subject: RE: O'Neil's Music of Ireland From: MMario Date: 07 Jun 00 - 05:15 PM I just added this but it isn't there.... url=http://ecf-guest.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/TuneList/~jc/music/book/oneills/F/
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