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BS: Young Earth Creationism

Mrrzy 02 Jan 11 - 05:56 PM
Dave MacKenzie 02 Jan 11 - 04:36 PM
The Fooles Troupe 02 Jan 11 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,Rev. Goose 'Goof' Gander (retired) 02 Jan 11 - 04:15 PM
DMcG 02 Jan 11 - 04:14 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 02 Jan 11 - 04:11 PM
Ed T 02 Jan 11 - 03:59 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Jan 11 - 03:56 PM
Ebbie 02 Jan 11 - 03:33 PM
michaelr 02 Jan 11 - 03:32 PM
Kent Davis 02 Jan 11 - 03:17 PM
Richard Bridge 02 Jan 11 - 02:55 PM
Kent Davis 02 Jan 11 - 02:44 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 05:56 PM

Not even pseudoscience. Just dogma. Fun!


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 04:36 PM

Come back Erich von Däniken. All is forgiven.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 04:29 PM

The problem with followers of this YECH belief, is not that they are not Sincere, for they all are, but they are trapped in the circuitous Logical Loops of the 'Law of Fives' - their conclusions will always support their preconceived beliefs.

This is not 'Science', but 'Pseudo-Science' - Real Science always has unexpected twists and turns, often appearing to reverse itself, as new things surface, and fundamental concepts are rewritten and often discarded.

Religion sponsored Pseudo Science, while it needs to get more convoluted and self contradictory, will always never surrender certain basic premises, for that is what defines it as a subset of 'the Law of Fives' style Philosophy. Buddhists still believe as part of their core belief system taught every day, that Anger creates fire and volcanoes, and other such human actions cause water (floods, etc), and all of the other natural disasters - if we only change our behaviors, all will be right, and we can reverse Global Warming!. Science has passed this by.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: GUEST,Rev. Goose 'Goof' Gander (retired)
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 04:15 PM

"Oh good, I could uses a laugh."

You could use a grammar lesson while you're at it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 04:14 PM

I'm not sure about these 60 100 year olds. I think the relevant fact is the parent's age when they first have children, so something more like 200 generations is probably the figure to work with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 04:11 PM

I believe that YEC should henceforth be called Young Earth Creation Hypothesis. The acronym for that sounds about right to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 03:59 PM

Host (John Cleese: Good evening and welcome to Stake Your Claim. First this evening we have Mr Norman Voles of Gravesend who claims he wrote all Shakespeare's works. Mr Voles, I understand you claim that you wrote all those plays normally attributed to Shakespeare?

Voles (Michael Palin): That is correct. I wrote all his plays and my wife and I wrote his sonnets.

Host: Mr Voles, these plays are known to have been performed in the
early 17th century. How old are you, Mr Voles?

Voles: 43.

Host: Well, how is it possible for you to have written plays
performed over 300 years before you were born?

Voles: Ah well. This is where my claim falls to the ground.

Host: Ah!

Voles: There's no possible way of answering that argument, I'm
afraid. I was only hoping you would not make that particular
point, but I can see you're more than a match for me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 03:56 PM

I see we're in for a wacky new year!


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 03:33 PM

A comment: If the age of the Earth is approximately 6,000 years, Kent Davis, that would imply about 60 100-year old people- and far fewer than that if you accept that the ancients each lived close to a thousand years thmselves. Does that sound logical to you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 03:32 PM

Spare us the waste of time and yourself the embarrassment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Kent Davis
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 03:17 PM

The following beliefs are common to most Ancient Earth Naturalists (AEN):

1. The universe had a starting time; its age is finite.

2. The very early universe was greatly different from the present universe. There was a very early period of extremely rapid change followed by a long period of relative stability which continues to this day.

3. The present stability of the universe is relative. Change is occurring and is expected to continue until, eventually, the universe will no longer support organic life.

Young Earth Creationists agree with Ancient Earth Naturalists on belief #1, the belief that the age of the universe is finite rather than infinite (Genesis 1:1)   In AEN, belief #2 is accepted in the form of the cosmic inflation hypothesis of the Big Bang theory. In YEC, belief #2 is also accepted, NOT in the form of the cosmic inflation hypothesis, but as the six days of creation (Genesis1:1-31). Either way, there is extremely rapid change initially, followed by relative stability (uniformitarianism for the AEN folks; God's "rest" on the seventh day for YEC folks - Genesis 2:1,2). Neither the ANC nor the YEC folks expect the universe to last eternally in its present form. There is ongoing debate among AEN folks about whether the universe will end in fire or ice. The YEC folks say "fire" (see II Peter 3:10 - But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare).

That's all from me today. Tomorrow I hope to post some more comparisons between AEN and YEC. I look forward to your comments.

Kent


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 02:55 PM

Oh good, I could uses a laugh.


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Subject: BS: Young Earth Creationism
From: Kent Davis
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 02:44 PM

A few months ago, in another thread, I was asked about "Young Earth Creationism". I did not then have time to answer fully, but I will try to do so now. My purpose is to explain, to those who are interested, what Young Earth Creationism is.

There are many views about the origin of life, the universe, and everything.   Young Earth Creationism ( henceforth "YEC") is one of those views. The "creationism" part of the name indicates that it requires supernatural intervention.   The "young" part refers to the belief that earth (and the entire universe) is thousands of years old (rather than billions of years old).   

In contrast to YEC, the theories and hypotheses that make up the current consensus view at most scientific institutions do not require supernatural intervention, but do require the universe to be billions of years old. I am going to refer to these theories and hypotheses as "Ancient Earth Naturalism" (henceforth "AEN"). AEN is sometimes informally referred to as "evolution". However, AEN includes more than Darwinian evolution. It also includes the cosmic inflation hypothesis of the Big Bang theory, the solar nebular disk model of planetary formation, geological uniformitarianism, the "out of Africa" hypothesis of the origin of Homo sapiens, and so on.   

There are hybrid views that, like YEC, require supernatural intervention and, like AEN, require an ancient universe.

In the following posts, I will list some beliefs which are part of Ancient Earth Naturalism (AEN). I will also list the Young Earth Creationist (YEC) response to those beliefs.

Kent


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