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CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...

ChrisJBrady 03 Jan 11 - 11:15 AM
GUEST, topsie 03 Jan 11 - 11:20 AM
Lester 03 Jan 11 - 11:21 AM
DMcG 03 Jan 11 - 11:22 AM
Amos 03 Jan 11 - 11:25 AM
ChrisJBrady 03 Jan 11 - 11:27 AM
ChrisJBrady 03 Jan 11 - 11:28 AM
John MacKenzie 03 Jan 11 - 11:31 AM
GUEST,leeneia 03 Jan 11 - 11:47 AM
bobad 03 Jan 11 - 11:48 AM
GUEST 03 Jan 11 - 11:52 AM
Andy Jackson 03 Jan 11 - 01:32 PM
GUEST,kendall 03 Jan 11 - 01:48 PM
Bernard 03 Jan 11 - 02:00 PM
Tootler 03 Jan 11 - 02:29 PM
EBarnacle 03 Jan 11 - 02:36 PM
voyager 03 Jan 11 - 02:42 PM
Andy Jackson 03 Jan 11 - 03:41 PM
Arthur_itus 03 Jan 11 - 04:13 PM
gnu 03 Jan 11 - 04:16 PM
gnu 03 Jan 11 - 04:17 PM
Little Robyn 03 Jan 11 - 04:19 PM
Sandra in Sydney 03 Jan 11 - 08:29 PM
Taconicus 03 Jan 11 - 08:42 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 03 Jan 11 - 10:41 PM
Sandra in Sydney 04 Jan 11 - 12:06 AM
GUEST 01 Mar 11 - 02:34 AM
Amergin 01 Mar 11 - 02:42 AM
SteveMansfield 01 Mar 11 - 05:15 AM
Will Fly 01 Mar 11 - 05:28 AM
Paul Davenport 01 Mar 11 - 05:49 AM
cobra 01 Mar 11 - 05:54 AM
Gibb Sahib 01 Mar 11 - 06:06 AM
Roger the Skiffler 01 Mar 11 - 06:10 AM
Bonzo3legs 01 Mar 11 - 06:44 AM
Greg F. 01 Mar 11 - 03:16 PM
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GUEST,Gerry 01 Mar 11 - 05:23 PM
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Subject: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:15 AM

With incredible rapidity CD are becoming obsolete - well players anyway.

We are planning a really long-haul flight soon and I wanted to replace both of my 'Walkman'-type CD players which have gone u/s.

I thought I'd get one in 'Duty Free' at T5 Heathrow - but NO - "there's no call for them now" - I was told.

Then over the weekend I tried the full length of Tottenham Court Road including the Sony Centre, and places like John Lewis, HMV, Maplins, Dixons, Currys, etc.

But No - "they don't make them any more" I was told every time I asked.

So I said "look - HMV are FULL of CDs of all types of music etc., how do I transfer any CDs I buy onto an MP3 player." "Er with a CD player I guess - but we don't sell them any more."

All I could find were boom-buster CD / MP3 music centres - 100 times the size of a Walkman. There's no way I'd even be allowed on an aircraft with one of those.

So guys and guyesses - folk singers, musicians and storytellers - oh and indeed archivists - beware that CDs (or players) like the proverbial Monty Python parrot - are gone, deceased, exist no more.

As a corollary I ask what's the point in financing, recording and trying to sell a CD any more if the customers can't play them?


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:20 AM

Maybe you are supposed to play them on your laptop - what do you mean, you haven't got a laptop?


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Lester
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:21 AM

You don't use a "CD Player" to transfer CDs to mp3s, you need a CD/DVD drive in your computer.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:22 AM

Not that I've bought one recently, but there a plenty of CD players still; its just the walkman-style are obsolete and the fact that the CD capability is hidden inside something else. I would lay odds, for example, that Tottenham Court Road could have sold you a portable DVD video player that also plays CDs.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:25 AM

Computers play CDs and also transfer their tracks to portable MP3 players, tablets, and iPads, and phones. The problem is not that nothing plays CDs, it is that a DEDICATED device for that sole purpose no longer makes sense.

A


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:27 AM

"Maybe you are supposed to play them on your laptop - what do you mean, you haven't got a laptop?"

I have a netbook with wifi that does not have a CD / DVD drive. The additional separate unit is bigger than the netbook itself - and actually doesn't work properly.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:28 AM

Oh - and on my netbook I can't turn the wifi off and so am not allowed to use it on an aircraft.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:31 AM

Still available


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:47 AM

This is baffling, CJB. I searched on Amazon, and they offer scads of portable CD players.

Gee, maybe I better order one before my portable cassette player wears out.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:48 AM

mp3 player:CD player:Victrola


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 11:52 AM

Argos have a choice of about 5 different palyers at varying prices, I bought one for my husband in April and it works fine!

Kath


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 01:32 PM

And have you seen the range of Vinyl record players now available? L.P.s dead, no way!


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 01:48 PM

Play a CD on a lap top? That might work for rap or rock but they just can't handle the full range needed for Beethoven.
Everything sounds like a fly under a shingle.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Bernard
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 02:00 PM

Not if you use decent headphones!! After all, the query was about CD players that don't have loudspeakers...!


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Tootler
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 02:29 PM

Quite a few on Amazon UK.

Good selection on Google Shopping.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: EBarnacle
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 02:36 PM

re: The laptop which will not turn its wireless capability off. I am currently dealing with the opposite problem. There is a software switch built in which enables or turns off the wireless capability. I am searching for it as my laptop [Dell M600] says that mine is turned off.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: voyager
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 02:42 PM

In the de-volution of music recording (from albums - reel-to-reel -
8-track tape - cassette tape - CD - eTrash/Walkman/iPod/etc) somethings have been lost, eh?

My critique of the CD has always had 3 major points in comparison to vinyl -

CDs ain't got no groove
CD cover art & liner notes for jewel cases are unreadable
CDs ain't got no B-side

Onward in the digital age
voyager


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 03:41 PM

Not to mention the absolute cut off at about 22Khz which includes the harmonics so necessary for "quality" Hi Fi.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 04:13 PM

I have a smartphone and I have a 16gig memory card.

I store all my music on there.

If you are flying you set your phone to flightmode and you can listen to all your music in flight.

Who wants a CD player anymore, smartphones or Iphones are the way forward.

You can download any song down onto them at about 75 pence a song.

Can't be bad and surely the way forward


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 04:16 PM

Kendal... "Everything sounds like a fly under a shingle."

Hahahahahahahahaaaaa...


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 04:17 PM

Are you gettin some feedback buzz on the low range? Hehehehehee.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Little Robyn
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 04:19 PM

Is that you Chris?
Are you heading this way?
Mitch suggests checking out The Warehouse when you get to Auckland - but that won't help on the journey over.
See you,
Robyn


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 08:29 PM

I have about 600 CDS - & lack of space BUT I want my CD booklets. I normally look at the booklet when playing a disk for the details about the song, or who's singing it, or the words so I can sing along.

how do you know what you're listening to when you have a zillion songs on one of those microscopic thingies attached to ear buds? Do they have screens to display what is being played?


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Taconicus
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 08:42 PM

Soon MP3 players will be extinct as we'll all have multi-Zettabyte (1021 byte) memories implanted at the base of our skulls to store our instantally accessible music, videos, and v-world scenery.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Jan 11 - 10:41 PM

"I have about 600 CDS - & lack of space BUT I want my CD booklets. I normally look at the booklet when playing a disk for the details about the song, or who's singing it, or the words so I can sing along."

All of that and more can be included in the metadata of a digital file and made available with a proper player.

Files are the future, and it is the near future.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Jan 11 - 12:06 AM

eek - what do I do with 600 CDs, many signed by the artist!

Just as I was about to start to ponder upon thinking seriously about copying my 20 or 30 cassette tapes to CD!!

do the pretty pictures also get into the megadata?

sandra (old fashioned folksong listener)


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 02:34 AM

Is if possible to copy cd songs to I-pods in some way. I can play them on a cd/cassette player and laptop but I tried to replace a portable cd player with a cheaper one since there seemed to be so few around, and it broke after the 3 month warranty went off. Any suggestions. Also if I download music from I-tunes, or celebrity website to Realplayer or Windows Media player will be be able to transfer it to an I-pod if I get one?


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 02:42 AM

You can rip them from a cd to itunes....


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 05:15 AM

Also if I download music from I-tunes, or celebrity website to Realplayer or Windows Media player will be be able to transfer it to an I-pod if I get one?

The iTunes software, which you are pretty much forced to use if you want to sync music onto your iPod, will convert Windows Media .wma files to the iTunes .aac format on the fly when you import the Windows Media files into iTunes. I don't use Realplayer files myself but understand that they, too, are converted on the fly. Mp3 files are understood natively by iPods and iTunes.

Great rant by Charlie Booker about iTunes etc. in the Guardian yesterday, Apple zealots should look away now.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 05:28 AM

Good old Charlie Booker! "Binary turd" is a great description of iTunes. Unless you have Senuti software, there's no way of retrieving your music from an iPod and putting it back on your (say) Apple Mac Book. Senuti is a convenient way of transferring from iPod to Mac - but why can't iTunes simply allow it in the first place?

Anyway, CDs and vinyl are still being produced and are still playable. Books are being printed in greater quantities than ever (in the UK, at any rate) and the jolly old Kindle is also taking off. I shall buy a Kindle when I can take it into a charity shop and upload a s/h book for 50p... Mind you, if you're on holiday in some exotic place for a fortnight or so, I suppose a Kindle saves weight.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 05:49 AM

Weird stuff. Charlie maybe ought to look at his settings?
CDs are harder to get but the booklet notes are vital. Provided people read them. There are some great songs out there but only understandable in certain contexts - that's where sleeve notes etc come in.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: cobra
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 05:54 AM

Loads of portable CD walkman players for sale on eBay.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 06:06 AM

If you go to a "drug store" in America (what I suppose you call a "chemist" in the Commonwealth nations :) ) you find all this "old" technology. I saw an elderly woman buying 3 VHS tapes in the CVS drugstore yesterday. I myself was buying CDs on which to burn, and next to them were audio cassette tapes. They sell CD player walkmans and other kinds of cheap electronics. Their headphones are usually better (at least on a cost versus quality basis) than, say, at RadioShack.

Now, what I am in the market for (if I had money) is a CD turntable. These are full-feature CD players that can be manipulated similarly to a phonograph. You touch the surface, like a DJ would touch a record, to spin it forward or back, adjust pitch, etc. Good ones can also be used to manipulate mp3 off a flash drive in the same way.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 06:10 AM

I'm only just copying my LPs, 78s & cassettes to CD! I notice a lot of the 1960/70s LP sleeves advertise 8-track recrdings, glad I atleast missed out on that trend! (Now for the piano rolls!).

RtS


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 06:44 AM

I bought a portable CD player airside at London Gatwick airport. It was great because it read CD RW discs, but after dropping it one day it would not close properly and was therefore useless. The volume was also insufficient for use in a plane - even though I have 112db headphones.

Then I discovered the Sansa Clip music player, which reads FLAC lossless files as well as the usual mp3 and other lossy formats. I mostly listen to downloaded live music in FLAC format so for stuff that I am going to listen to on a plane, I use Adobe Audition to increase the volume of the music as high as possible - this can also be done in Audacity which is freeware. I also boost all frequency bands to maximum on the Sansa Clip equaliser which gives enough volume to be heard above the usual in flight noise. My Sansa Clip holds 8gb but I believe the latest model has a slot for a memory card.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 03:16 PM

Dontcha just LOVE the corporations screwing you over and making you buy a new technological gizmo at obscene expense every couple of years?

As Deep Throat said lo these many years ago: "Follow The Money".

Ain't capitalism grand.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Becca72
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 04:19 PM

I have seen portable "walkman" type CD players in local stores here as recently as 2 weeks ago. Of course, we could just be behind the times here. "Maine: the way Life used to be" :-)


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: gnu
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 04:36 PM

And should be, Becca, for the most part.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,Paul Slade
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 04:41 PM

There's a shop near the south end of Tottenham Court Road (same side as the Dominion Theatre) that specialises in selling the one-or-two-generations-old sound equipment which the neighbouring stores no longer stock. I bought a portable CD player there a year or so ago, and I'd be surprised if they haven't still got some there today.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 05:23 PM

Bonzo3legs, aren't you worried about what listening at high volume might do to your hearing? I stopped listening to CDs on airplanes a few years ago when I realized that I was turning the player up to a far higher volume than I'd ever want to use on the ground.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Alan Day
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 03:03 AM

This is also a problem if you do a lot of driving Gerry, The volume goes up and up and your hearing goes down and down.
Al


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Bo
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 03:23 AM

I'm not sure this is true but isn't it illegal to drive wearing headphones? But it is rather like the case of driving while using a mobile phone, you can do it as much as you like because far less than 1 percent ever get seen or prosecuted. On any 10 mile trip in my rural area I will see at least two offenders.
Bo


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 06:50 AM

I used to drive in headphones - and I could hear far better than teenagers with their loudspeaker set to idiot level. It was a result of my then girlfriend and her bette noir of car radios and when I got to the destination and out of the car I could still listen. Talk Radio in the UK can (eg Radio 4) be informative or humerous or I could listen to a recording of the Prarie Home Companion (we get it here 6months late).

&

Not to mention the absolute cut off at about 22Khz which includes the harmonics so necessary for "quality" Hi Fi.

Miskin Man - you didn't mention the artefacts induced by noise - recordings from (say) cassette or anything via the microphone input of your PC will beat with the music and generally muddy the waters - particularly nearing the 22.05KHz Nyquist frequency and to a lesser degree the sub-multiples thereof.

But as I always say to people who are nerdy about oxygen free copper and all that twaddle.

"How near the road are you, how many adjoining domiciles have you, and how tolerant and church mousey is your partner". That's before we mention cars and road noise. And volume - AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING!

Z ro content is zero quality.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 07:03 AM

WF: Mind you, if you're on holiday in some exotic place for a fortnight or so, I suppose a Kindle saves weight.

Yeah, but would you want to leave it on your towel while you went for a dip?


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,Paul Slade
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 11:02 AM

"There's a shop near the south end of Tottenham Court Road (same side as the Dominion Theatre) that specialises in selling the one-or-two-generations-old sound equipment which the neighbouring stores no longer stock. I bought a portable CD player there a year or so ago, and I'd be surprised if they haven't still got some there today."

I just stopped by there an hour ago. The shop's called Hi-Fi Surplus, and I can confirm it has several models of CD Walkman in stock right now.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Maryrrf
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 01:20 PM

You can still get portable CD players, but nevertheless I think CDs are on their way out, and will be replaced by digital files. How will musicians sell music at their gigs? I don't know - maybe now that flash drives are so cheap they'll just sell you a loaded flash drive. I like CDs, and I like liner notes and all that, but I do believe they are part of an outmoded technology.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Will Fly
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 01:56 PM

I like CDs, and I like liner notes and all that, but I do believe they are part of an outmoded technology.

You may be right, but - do you know - you never can tell. IT and media gurus have been predicting the death of the book for over 20 years, and we're printing more than ever, even with the growing popularity of the Kindle and Sony Reader devices. There was the same certainty about the death of vinyl - a medium which has never gone away - on which some artists are now doing simultaneous CD/download/vinyl releases.

The CD itself is not as visually or tactilely as pleasant to look at and handle as a vinyl album, but it's certainly more marketable than a flash drive.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Gurney
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 02:22 PM

Currently I'm using a DVD player deck as a CD player deck, because dedicated CD players are very expensive here. Not all DVD players will do CDs, though. Cheap ones often do.

I have two MP3 player 'walkman' things, though like Kendal I'm not delighted with the quality. I can plug them into the lounge Amp, which makes them louder, but not higher quality. OK if you are not 'listening,' though. Recorded/converted from CDs on the computer. If you are going to buy one, look to the batteries. One of mine takes replaceables, the other charges through a USB port. Flying Auckland to London means 24hrs away from a mains supply.

The car radio is new (The old one died) and it also plays MP3s/CDs/CDRs, and I'm playing CDRs of MP3s on that, copies of my disk-backup MP3s that are on the MP3 players. Recorded using Nero as Data, because you seem to get more tracks on that way.

I am also turning my LPs into CDRs, but slowly, it is a tedious process. I'm not delighted about the longevity of CDRs, though, and have them backed up twice. It is all possible, even by me.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Brian Peters
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 02:34 PM

I haven't noticed any drop-off in my CD sales - but then, most of my audiences aren't teens. In what sense are CDs outmoded, Mary? They are the way I still listen to most of my music and seem to do the job pretty well. The newer formats aren't for the most part superior in quality and don't replicate adequately for me the format of music + artwork + written information that has been the norm for all of my life.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Maryrrf
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 03:23 PM

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE CDs, still buy them and I think they are great. As a matter of fact that's the way I usually listen to music, and I like the liner notes, booklets etc. that come with them. I also appreciate the fact that a CD is usually put together with a lot of thought about track placement, varying tempos, keys, etc. which is why I rarely use the "shuffle" feature (although I do use "repeat" sometimes when I want to listen to a favorite song over and over so I can appreciate all the nuances). But the younger folks are not buying them, and more and more music is being downloaded and listened to on MP3 players or similar devices that are even more portable. I do think that this trend is the way it's going - like it or not, just as newspapers are going to be replaced by digital news. I don't necessarily like the trend, mind you!

This is just anecdotal, and with the limited sales of my CD probably doesn't indicate much, but I have a CD available on CD Baby. I recently got the rare announcement that somebody had ordered one of my CDs, and I'd reached the magic amount (over $25) and they'd send me a payment. I looked at the accounting and there was the CD sale, along with a lot of downloads for which I received anywhere between $.69 and $.03 each. I've done a lot of (legal) downloading too, and the advantage is I can download only the song I want for my $.99. I've often in the past purchased entire CDs because I really wanted one or two songs. Of course, I often discovered that there were I lot of other songs on the CD that I liked also, and wouldn't have even known about if I hadn't bought it.

The young guys at the office definitely think of CDs as outmoded technology. They download and listen on their ipods.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 06:39 PM

The classical, baroque and older music I mostly buy is only available on cd.
No Alia Vox, Harmonia Mundi, etc. for download.

My library of cds continues to grow. Excellent sound equipment is available, and I have recently bought new speaker systems.
Downloaded material is poor in frequency range, but I suppose OK for popular and folk music (also have a fair collection of the latter on cd).
Some excellent re-mastered old jazz albums being issued on cds.

"The young guys at the office ...."
New iphones and such have excellent frequency response, but I prefer to listen comfortably ensconced in my body-friendly armchair, across the room from the best speakers that I can afford.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Genie
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 01:38 AM

Methinks there will always be a market for gizmos that allow us out-of-the-loop "oldsters" to convert our 'archaic' technology (vinyl, cassette, CD) to the newest flavor-of-the-month.
CDs may not have the fidelity of vinyl or even of tape, but they take up very little space & aren't as vulnerable to damage. I imagine it will be a while before our CDs are really obsolete.

That said, I welcome the ability to buy individual songs when all you really want off an album is a few tracks.


And I'm really glad my procrastinator tendencies have resulted in my still having most of my vinyl.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 03:51 AM

I have to say that I don't really miss portable CD players. We've had three in our house and all three bit the dust fairly swiftly for assorted reasons.

But the CD format itself is great. Stick a good CD in a good player, turn on a good amplifier and sit in front of good speakers and you have the recipe for good listening. I suppose if you pay thousands you can get equivalent results from vinyl, but there is always the cat fur/inebriated friend/senior moment which will ruin a vinyl disc. Tape - oh my God. Reel to reel is OK but cassette was always an unreliable joke unless you owned a Nakamichi.

Downloads, what a great trick by Apple etc - they sell you a piece of music compressed to within an inch of its life, with no need to spend their money on sleeeve notes, cases, pictures etc. Then a manufacturer can sell you an iPod dock to make an inadequate product sound spuriously "better".

Yes I know you can buy less compressed tracks but they still aren't of CD quality.

Bah, humbug.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,BobL
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 05:05 AM

Nobody's mentioned minidisc!

I copied cassettes and vinyl onto this medium 10 years ago, and have stuck with it. I can't be bothered to re-copy to CD, and the audio quality's not noticeably worse, certainly it's as good as the originals and it's definitely better than mp3. But I'm having to look out for a couple of spare MD decks, against the eventual but ultimately inevitable time when the present ones expire - fortunately there's no shortage of 'em on e-Bay.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: treewind
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 06:51 AM

I was a huge supporter of minidisc in its day, but when your last MD player finally bites the dust and you find there's no replacement available, you'd better have a backup on some other medium! A second hand MD player off eBay is all very well, but it will be used and still have a limited life.

"definitely better than mp3"
Standard MD is 292k bits/second, LP mode is 132k, LP4 is 66k.
MP3 has standard rates including 64k, 128k, 160k, 192k, 156k and 320k
If you compare the two at similar rates, you'll find less difference. The basic compression method is the same, though not identical.

If I ever get around to digitizing or copying my recorded music collection, it will be to hard disk. When storage technology changes (from IDE to SATA, or from HD to SSD) I'll get a new drive and copy it all.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 07:45 AM

This thread reminded me that, somewhere, I have two Minidisc drives and a load of discs. Must find 'em...


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,mattkeen
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 08:26 AM

I nearly always buy CD's rather than downloads and nearly always play music from an ipod. CD's though when listening in the car - my favourite place to listen to music, but must be on my own.

I do like to read the CD booklets - but honestly thats just the first few times I play the music.

Still this is my preferred method - buy CD - listen on shuffle ipod


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 08:37 AM

Maryrrf:But the younger folks are not buying them,

The younger folk I know all seem to buy CDs still (as well as downloading).

In fact, my own kids and most of their friends still buy a lot of stuff on vinyl. I'd say 25-30% of the new music that comes into our household is on vinyl...and it's mostly not me acquiring it.

My older daughter's friend's band, for instance, who get a fair bit of Radio 1 airplay, released their last 3 singles on vinyl, with a single-use download key coming with the record.

My younger daughter got me Arcade Fire's latest album "The Suburbs" for Christmas, which came as either just download, a CD with download code or a 12 inch vinyl record with download code.

My kids all specified quality tunrtables as being the prime consideration when they were getting music systems! They use iPods, of course, for evryday "background" but when listening seriously they use vinyl or CD, as do most of their friends.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 10:16 AM

I still like to buy CDs for the booklet, cover and background info, I remember complaints when vinyl was coming to an end that the 'new' CD covers disappointingly didn't show the artwork so well as on the sleeve of an album. The reduction in the sale of vinyl in main record shops was no surprise but despite the downloading reducing sales my guess is that the people who are more likely to browse along the aisles of the record shops are going to be of a certain age and those who like to take their time to make a selection especially on a chilled Sunday afternoon.

My son used to download music for me and he has made a good compilation of most things that I've wanted which has been great but there is no way that I am going to get a laptop or pc just to store music.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 01:13 PM

I have a fairly good JVC turntable for my old lps, well weighted and strobe- an oldie I got for $10 at a goodwill store- and have looked at some of the fancy turntables, but not all that interested. The old lps are not tops in shape (many bought used at goodwill and used lp specialists).
The classic material is not being put on vinyl anyhow.

BBC Music Magazine this month has an article on Allegri and some other great composers of choral music. Only on cd. I will re-listen tonight to those I have.
The same issue reviews over 100 new cds. I will probably buy a couple.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 04:53 PM

As a chronically late adopter I have maybe fifteen pre-recorded CDs, most of which came stuck to magazine covers. However I'm beginning to warm to them in their death throes and have begun putting music onto CD. Mini DVDs are another short-lived format I've recently discovered, the cameras to take them are available for buttons and provide perfectly good reproduction. Unfortunately everyone is catching onto film cameras again and the price is rising - I never stopped using the stuff. Ditto cassette tape.

Big supermarket chains like Tesco are good for buying tape, CD, mini DVD and so. I recently bought a digital camera, mainly for its film capability I still use older formats alongside. There was a radio programme last year on the revival of analogue cassette tape in experimental music.


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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: sciencegeek
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 06:41 AM

Gack! the technoklutz is finally backing up her CDs onto a portable USB external drive after hubby turned several of her favorite CDs into uselessness - unless you need little plastic coasters. Put them into the player & they won't read. Including my copies of the Fisherman's Friend benefit cds that I got from Ken & Jan at Chanty Cabin back in 2002. Blast!!!

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Subject: RE: CDs are Dead / Gone / Exist No More ...
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 08:20 AM

"The younger folk I know all seem to buy CDs still (as well as downloading).
In fact, my own kids and most of their friends still buy a lot of stuff on vinyl. I'd say 25-30% of the new music that comes into our household is on vinyl...and it's mostly not me acquiring it.
They use iPods, of course, for evryday "background" but when listening seriously they use vinyl or CD, as do most of their friends"

Your kids and their friends aren't typical, according to the sales figures. Assuming sales figures continue on their current trajectory, CDs will constitute less than 50% of music sales within 4 or 5 years, and will have gone the way of the cassette within a decade.

Of course, there is probably a point at which the decline of CD sales will plateau (at least until all the people who grew up buying CDs have died). Equally, while vinyl sales are going up, it's from a miniscule floor to a very very low ceiling (when compared to downloads, paid-for or otherwise).


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