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Subject: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 05:30 PM

what's with this ????

Dennis and the olive pit


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 05:32 PM

Apparently he broke a tooth or something on an olive pit in a sandwich in the Congressional Cafeteria a couple of years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 06:28 PM

The sandwich lady was later heard saying, "Son of a bitch!!! I thought that sandwich was for Eric Cantor..."

That's the word on the street, anyway...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 06:42 PM

This was one of the most incompetent assassination attempts in American history, if not world history. You gotta pity the people who planned it. It ranks right up there with them idiots in the CIA who tried to trick Castro into smokin' cigars with a toxic chemical hidden in 'em that would make his beard fall out! Anyways, I have offered my services to Mr Kucinich to track down the miscreants who planted that pitted olive in his sandwich and bring 'em to justice, and I'm not talkin' about the flunkies...I'm talking about the people who gave the orders. Don't be surprised if some big names turn up when this investigation is concluded. I'm talkin' BIG names. A whole raft of 'em. Wait and see.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 06:59 PM

Just a little hint to those who are wonderin'...who do you think would've been stupid enough to try and knock off Dennis Kucinich by hidin' a pitted olive in his sandwich? Who would come up with a plan that idiotic and actually give the order to do it? And who would've given him the idea and set the whole thing in motion? Hmmm? And who would've planned to carry out the coverup after the fact? Hmmm? Take a wild guess....

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 07:13 PM

Hmmmm, some wise guys trying to do Dennis in with an olive pit ... I gotta say you have raised some very good points there Chongo .... not bad for a monkey, not bad at all.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 07:18 PM

My wife bit down on an olive pit in a salad, many years ago. The restaurant didn't charge us for her meal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 07:19 PM

Same twits who tried to do in Garge with a pretzel? Although, in garge's case, they had a shot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 07:46 PM

Good one Bobert !!

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 08:57 PM

But suing for $150,000 seems excessive to me, even if there were a pit in the olive in the sandwich. Dennis should sue for actual damages, not the pain and suffering associated with encounters with pitted olives of the third kind.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 10:11 PM

Hmm, if I ever give someone a sandwich with olives in it, I must remember to attach a sticky note that says, "Olives may contain pits, and don't eat this note."


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 10:17 PM

It also happened, as I remember the AP story, in 2008 or 2009. Seems like a bit of a wait before filing a lawsuit....


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 11:03 PM

Did he file the lawsuit at the time and it just came on the docket? Otherwise - if he just now filed the suit - it makes no sense at all.

(Sounds W A Y too much like a typical politician too full of himself.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 12:51 AM

When you get injured, you have to wait till all the medical care is over with, so medical costs, permanent damage to the body and lost income from being off the job can be assessed. However, a year or two to deal with a broken tooth seems excessive.

Did he swallow the pit? Maybe the stress made him really, really constipated...


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:10 AM

If the statue of limitations has not expired, then the statute of limitations has not expired. Maybe without prejudice and confidential (sometimes called "off the record") negotiations have broken down.

Would people be laughing if it had been a piece of broken glass, or if, as in the case (Donoghue -v- Stevenson) that founded the English law of negligence, a decomposing snail? Or if a parent's child had been killed by peanut allergy when a peanut turns up in "free from nuts" food?

You expect to be able to nosh fast food just like that. If you break a tooth doing so, it sometimes hurts like wossname, and you may have to lose the tooth and have a bridge or an implant or gnashers afterwards, and with the price of dentistry in the USA as reported I'm not that surprised at the total figure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 05:18 AM

interesting point Richard.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:22 AM

This was an item with olives in it, for pete's sake. The occasional pit inadvertently left in it should not be overly surprising, imo. This is a totally different incident to anything that involves a foreign object.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 11:29 AM

The pit certainly wasn't domestic ... it came from a foreign country ... therefore it was a foreign object.

biLL   ... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 12:13 PM

Here's a legal analysis of this case: click here!

It does seem that Kucinich's claim has some legal standing. However, he is pitting himself against public opinion and the national media which will judge his suit frivolous.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 12:28 PM

thanks for that link Charley .... what if it was a chicken sandwich and the victim choked to death on a bone?

I know this issue does sound like a complete joke ... and I'm somewhat dismayed at Dennis bringing forth this lawsuit ... he's not an idiot so either he has completely gone off the deep end, or he has a legitiment point to be taken regarding this.


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 12:59 PM

Number 6, in regards to yer point about the chicken bone, let me just say this... "Dead Men Don't Sue!" ;-D Ook! Ook!

If this dumbass assassination plot had succeeded...which is admittely about as likely as findin' a fresh ice cream cone in hell...but if it had, Dennis would be dead and he would not be suin' anyone.

I am findin' out some very interestin' stuff investigatin' this case. Dennis has advanced me a sum which I cannot reveal, and I am proceedin' on trackin' down the perpetrators.

Yer gonna hear a lot about this, folks, and ya know what it'll be called? "Olivegate", what else? ;-D I am frankly quite surprised that the lawyers advised him to only go for $150 thou...hell, that is modest behaviour for lawyers these days! I'd have figgered they'd have told him to go for at least half a mil.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 01:31 PM

Hey! No matter from whom, I am sick and tired of every scandal being something-GATE. How long will Watergate be the benchmark? Why not be a tad more original?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 01:40 PM

C'mon Ebbie ... Olivegate .... Chongo is a monkey, can we expect something more original from him.

Well Chongo .... "Dead Men Don't Sue!" .... *yawn* ... anyway, keep us posted on any poop you hear regarding this "Olivegate" ... be careful on where and who you investigate ... these wiseguys can be pretty mean ... wouldn't want your head caught in a vise or something, or even worse you end up in some pork processing plant somewhere down in New Jersey.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 01:57 PM

That was my point, Ebbie! Yeah, we are all sick to death of everything that comes along havin' the suffix "gate" stuck onto it. It's so frikkin' annoying! It's almost as bad as bitin' down innocently on a sandwich and breakin' yer tooth on an olive pit.

So that's why I said it. ;-D I got a sick sense of humor, see? Besides, I think that's exactly what the mass media will call it, because they got less imagination and innovation these days than a day-old poodle turd layin' on the sidewalk. All they do is repeat themselves.

biLL, you ain't just whistlin' Dixie. The people I am after on this here olive pit conspiracy are WAY up in the echelons of power, see? They don't mess around. I know my life is bein' put in extreme danger if I proceed any further shinin' the light of truth and justice on these creeps, but I am not afraid. No sir. I am gonna take this thing all the way to the top and let the buffalo chips fall where they may. Yessiree, all hell is gonna break loose. Just wait and see.

And by the way, jerkweed....I am not a monkey.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 02:33 PM

Olivegate .... Chongo is a monkey..." biLL

My point is that his "handler" is not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 02:49 PM

problem is Ebbie I'm starting think Chongo's handler is the monkey

biLL   .... :-[


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 03:31 PM

So take that, Little Hawk!


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 04:49 PM

I ain't got a handler, dimbulbs!!! Geez! The nerve of some humans.

Anyways, Dennis Kucinich has just sent out an email to all the people on his list, specifyin' exactly why he is launchin' the suit, as follows:

Though I would prefer to focus your attention on my work dealing with the profoundly important issues that face our nation, such as job creation, getting the economy back on track, and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - it seems that some are more interested in discussing my personal dental issues. Given the degree of public interest you should know some details:

This injury required nearly two years, three dental surgeries, and a substantial amount of money to rectify.

The legal action you have heard about was filed due to the severity, expense and duration of the dental injury, the complications which followed and which still persist. I wanted to resolve this matter without filing a lawsuit. The events below involved numerous dental visits, more than are detailed in this summary.The dental injury set in motion a chain of dental and medical events.

When I bit into the olive pit, (unbeknown to me at the time), upon impact the tooth split in half, vertically through the crown and the tooth, below the level of the bone. Externally there was no evidence of a break. This was not about aesthetics. The internal structure of the tooth was rendered nonrestorable.Although the pain was excruciating, I shook it off and I went right back to work.   

This tooth is a key tooth which anchored my upper bridgework. The injured tooth and the bone above it became infected. I took a course of antibiotics for the infection, had an adverse reaction to the antibiotics which caused me to have an intestinal obstruction and emergency medical intervention.

Later, my dentist referred me to a specialist who informed me that the damaged tooth had to be removed. A third dentist removed the tooth and I was fitted for a temporary partial. I waited for the bone to heal. An implant was placed, but it failed. Many months later still a second implant succeeded. My bridgework had to be completely reconfigured, a new partial was designed, so this injury did not affect only one tooth, but rather involved six (6) replacement teeth as well.    A new crown with a new precision attachment was engineered and put in place. To clarify, no dental expenses were covered by any health plan, nor did I have dental insurance that covered the injury, which, until it was resolved, affected my ability to chew food properly.

The clamor for information about this incident requires that I provide at least this much information. I would have liked to provide such details sooner but did not want it said that I was trying the case in the media. So that is why I declined any interviews about the matter.The parties have exchanged information and after some investigation and discussion have resolved the matter for an amount all parties believe reflects the actual out-of-pocket expenses related to this incident. The terms of the settlement are confidential; however, I feel that the defendants have responded fairly and reasonably. I don't want to have to make another dental visit for a very long time, and will be making no further comment on this matter.

Thank you very much.

Dennis Kucinich


I think that pretty well clears up and explains it to anyone's satisfaction, unless, of course, they are some kind of stubborn, prejudiced jackass who ain't inclined to listen to anyone else in the first place. Capiche?

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 05:03 PM

"some are more interested in discussing my personal dental issues"

Well, no. I for one am interested in how a tiny malfeasance like leaving the pit in an olive adds up to $150,000 - plus legal fees.

Okay, maybe they could reimburse his expenses. (I do wonder what shape his teeth were in to begin with. That should be factored in.)

I also wonder whether our society is now supposed to expend billions of dollars to ensure that there is never a pit in an olive, never a bone in a fish, and never a fragment of tendon in a hamburger.

Would it be worth it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 05:10 PM

What we should maybe be spendin' a few billion $ on is educatin' the general public so's they can tell the difference between an ape and a monkey...

Idiots.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 05:20 PM

thanks for that info LH ... 'er or should it be Chongo, or whatever, whoever you are at this given time.

In regards to "difference between an ape and a monkey" ... here in the Mudcat does it really matter .... Geeeesh.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 06:12 PM

The problem lies with the Republican attempt to overturn rights for those who have been injured such as the elderly lady who was served hot coffee in a styrofoam cup heated at 185 degrees f.

There has been quite a lot of propaganda about eliminating the tort.

Dennis might be smart to sue for more and get maybe less to cover his actual costs.


http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/25/hot_coffee_doc_explores_how_corporations


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jan 11 - 09:42 PM

It does sound from Kucinich's e-mail, kindly provided by Chongo, that the olive pit did inflict considerable damage, and that the costs were not covered by insurance. Ugh!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 12:54 AM

biLL, you've never heard of Long Pig?

I find it difficult to believe that his "Cadillac Insurance Plan" which he has for free a member of the United States Congress does not include dental insurance.

Next, he'll be claiming that his eyeglasses don't fit, either, due to the malformations caused by the deformation of his mouth caused by the olive damage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Ms Penelope Rutledge
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 01:16 AM

The fact is, the average human ego, once it has formed an initial opinion regarding any subject whatsoever, finds it difficult to believe any new information which appears to in some way challenge or invalidate that opinion. Hitler, for instance, utterly refused to believe very well informed German agents and generals who told him things he didn't wish to believe about Allied forces, and my own father spent 20 years once denying his own part in causing the south wall of Rutledge Mansion to develop serious cracks due to his cutting costs on mortar. He insisted that the shoddy workmanship was due to the hired help performing incompetently! Not so. They did exactly what they were told to do, and were advised to "shut up" when they pointed out that it might lead to problems.

Thus are most opinions set, as it were, in stone as soon as they are formed...because pride gets involved and pride obfuscates reason. Why should it be any different on this thread? I expect that most participants here will prove as stubborn as the proverbial mule in altering by one iota their initially chosen prejudicial opinion on Dennis Kucinich and his damaged dentition. After all, just think of the dire emotional damage to self-esteem that might be caused by a retraction or a change of mind! Horrors! It's unthinkable. Far better to go down fighting in a lost cause than to admit for a moment that one might just possibly have jumped to a false conclusion about something. Yes, indeed. ;-) The Charge of the Light Brigade comes to mind....

*PR


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 03:07 AM

Hey, Chongo-in-drag is tiresome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jan 11 - 10:05 AM

Chongo-in-drag is is more than tiresome he just doesn't make sense.

What the hell has Hitler, The Charge of the Light Brigade and some father's brick garden wall falling down have to do with Dennis Kucinich biting into an olive pit?

The purpose to this thread was to find any justification or reason behind this olive pit lawsuit.

Some very good posts here, and yes Chongo's (good grief) post with the e-mail have been helpful and appreciated.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 08:57 AM

A few years ago I had a partial plate made because I broke a front tooth on a pecan. My dentist cut deep grooves in the healthy teeth to hold the thing in place, and over the years they broke off one by one. I now am facing the cost of an oral surgeon to undo that clown's ham handed approach to dentistry. I could sue him, sure, but that costs money, and maybe more than he has cost me in repairs.
Dennis is over reacting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 10:19 AM

Number 6-

"The Charge of the Light Brigade"?

Well, they were overcharging is my understanding, and thereby providing grounds for an appeal to the Public Utilities Commission for redress.

Next question!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 11:00 AM

Thanks for the clarification in regards to the Charge of the Light Brigade Charley .. *l*

Overacting .... In many ways Anderson Cooper can be accused of that in promoting the issue on CNN, and helping diminish the political career of a man who I find has a political platform that I (and many here in the Mudcat) cannot help but agree with. The mainstream media such as CNN does nothing in the way of letting the public be aware of who and what Dennis Kucinich is and stands for. Many do not know who he is ... except now he will be known as some nut who sues over an olive pit. BTW, lawsuits are certainly not uncommon in the U.S. and many lawsuits are for higher values and even more ridiculous issues.

Anyway ... I guess Anderson Cooper is bucking for a higher paying job over at FOX for presenting such mainstream news segments ... he should stick to hurricane chasing as this is what he does best.

anyway ... that's my 2 cents regarding this... 2 cents,that's all I have to my name, but this state of dismal economic being can be remedied ... think I'll go and see my lawyer about suing the owner of the parking lot where I slipped on ice yesterday ... man, my wrist hurts, so much so I can hardly type here.

biLL .... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 12:36 PM

Dennis Kucinich's politics is not good for big corporations such as Time Warner(CNN), Viacom(CBS), GE(NBCs), Disney(ABC) or Newscorp(Fox "News") That is why he doesn't get fair coverage. That is why he had to sue to try to get included in the debates. But I agree with six here. I am disgusted by Coopers total disregard for journalistic ethics. A lot of good points have been raised here to explain Kucinich's law suit. I am not a reporter with a seven figure salary and a huge staff of producers and assistants to call on for help. I can't go down the hall and ask a man who turned down the job of surgeon General for a medical opinion. I don't have a pda address book full of lawyers who would be glad to come on my show and explain legal strategy. But I have broken a tooth and it hurts like hell and I could talk all during the months that the pain slowly and progressively got worse and I also am familiar enough with the US legal system and basic games theory to know that if you sue for more than you hope or expect to get there is more room for a satisfactory settlement. I never expected such a one sided hatchet job from Cooper. I guess he has given up on any pretense of being a journalist. Maybe he is hoping to get laid off with a big settlement like Olbermann's?


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 12:49 PM

Folks, is the question stupidity, cupidity, journalistic ethics, congressional ethics or health insurance?

Kucinich has health insurance we would all envy. He does not have to pay for the care we do. Every place I seen olives sold there have been signs that there may be olive pits among the pitted olives. I have picked up an occasional olive pit or bit of pit on occasion when there should have been none, as I am sure you also have. As long as reasonable care is taken there should be no liability.

Unless he is using this as an effort to push tort reform, there is something really wrong here. If he is, then he is likely in collusion with Cooper to create this minor fooferaw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 01:46 PM

I have had lots of sandwiches with olives in them and never found a pit. I have NEVER seen a sign saying there may be pits. I think that the question may be did the Cafeteria have such a sign. If it did I suspect that the case would not have come this far.

The issue is certainly NOT health insurance because according to the letter Little Hawk posted, the injury was not covered.

If I buy a wrapped sandwich, I expect the vendor to know his own business. I do not expect it to be hazardous and if it causes me damage It is their business to supply, safe food.
I would expect the vendor to take responsibility. A pit in a sandwich is negligence, plain and simple. Even if it is covered by insurance, my insurance company should not have to pay. I have collision insurance on my vehicles, but if you hit me, you pay.

If the Cafeteria were to settle Kucinich's medical and legal bills and if they were to either put up such a sign or use only pitted olives. I would think that would be fair.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 03:27 PM

Below is from the link Charley Noble posted above on 28 Jan 11 - 12:13 PM

"The Iowa Supreme Court adopted a similar logic in a case against olive suppliers, finding that

    in the case of processed foods, consumers may develop reasonable expectations that certain components of food products in their natural state that serve to impede human consumption will be removed. Specifically, we believe that the purchaser of pimento-stuffed olives may reasonably anticipate that the olive pits have been removed. Kolarik v. Cory Intern. Corp., 721 N.W.2d 159 (2006)."

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 04:30 PM

biLL-

While this originally seemed an outrageous or frivolous case to me, I'm inclined to think now that Kucinich has grounds for his suit. He may not be awarded $150,000 but I think he'll be vindicated and some reasonable settlement will result.

Anderson Cooper is clearly trying to define this case as a frivolous one, while doing a hatchet job on a very liberal politician. Nice work when you get paid as well as he does. I doubt if he'll offer an apology after the suit is settled.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 05:53 PM

As far as the insurance statement of non-coverage goes, why doesn't he do what the rest of the world has to do--appeal the ruling and struggle with his insuror? Of course, now it's too late.

Of course, I have rarely found pit materials in olive paste, crushed olives, etc. However, every olive bar or place which sells loose olives, pitted or otherwise, that I have ever been to has a statement that there is a possibility of pits or pit fragments.

There is a saying among sailors that everyone who has been to sea has run aground or lies about it. Certain risks are inherent in life, including olive pits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:05 AM

Subway and Blimpie, are sandwich shops that put olives on their products. I have never seen a warning at either place or found a pit.

I have had olives on pizzas hundreds of times, no warning, no pits.


As I said. Had there been a sign, I doubt Kucinich would have had a case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:59 PM

It don't have much to do with this discussion, but I just wanna say that after I become president (in 2012), I am gonna introduce a new form of corporal punishment for politicians and public figures who are caught lyin' and puttin' their paws in the public purse:

The Olive Pit!!!

Yes, them miscreants will pay dearly for their crimes, because when they are caught they will be thrown bodily into a huge pit full of olives and hot olive oil! Maybe they will succeed in scramblin' out of the Olive Pit...maybe not. Either way, they will have got the comeuppance they deserved.

CEOs and bankers who cheat the public can expect the same thing.

We been discussin' it in the APP Caucus and everyone agreed that bein' thrown in a pit of olives and hot olive oil is a pretty disgustin' experience, and it oughta serve well to chasten the criminals in high places.

There was a good deal of debate as to whether we should use the small green olives with the red thingies in them...or the large black olives. It was rightly pointed out that to favor one type of olive over another could be seen as discriminatory, so we are goin' to mix the green olives and the black olives 50/50 so as to offend no one.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:35 PM

Chongo, were you born in the United States? Let's not create a birther controversy here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Dennis Kucinich and the olive pit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 10:28 PM

My point is still that he can fight with his insurance company just like the rest of us.


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