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Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?

Steve Shaw 30 Jan 11 - 09:49 AM
Charley Noble 30 Jan 11 - 09:59 AM
Rapparee 30 Jan 11 - 10:07 AM
Waddon Pete 30 Jan 11 - 10:33 AM
GUEST,Ed 30 Jan 11 - 10:39 AM
jacqui.c 30 Jan 11 - 12:13 PM
GUEST,Grishka 30 Jan 11 - 12:13 PM
BrooklynJay 30 Jan 11 - 12:36 PM
Deckman 30 Jan 11 - 12:37 PM
kendall 30 Jan 11 - 01:02 PM
GUEST,DonMeixner 30 Jan 11 - 01:09 PM
Bernard 30 Jan 11 - 01:28 PM
Steve Shaw 30 Jan 11 - 02:26 PM
JohnInKansas 30 Jan 11 - 04:15 PM
Steve Shaw 30 Jan 11 - 05:46 PM
Vic Smith 30 Jan 11 - 05:49 PM
GUEST,Grishka 30 Jan 11 - 05:59 PM
Steve Shaw 30 Jan 11 - 06:03 PM
Crowhugger 30 Jan 11 - 06:10 PM
GUEST,Grishka 30 Jan 11 - 06:13 PM
GUEST,Jon 30 Jan 11 - 06:17 PM
Steve Shaw 30 Jan 11 - 06:54 PM
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Subject: Tech: Anyone else having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 09:49 AM

For the last two or three days, when I click on a thread (especially longer ones methinks) I get an "operation aborted" message about 50% of the times I try. I have to double-click the back button and try again, and sometimes it takes four or five goes to get into the thread. I have also found that having a Mudcat window open often prevents me from opening another (new) window - I have to close Mudcat (which always results in a "window busy" message) before I can open another window. I'm Vista and I use IE8. Cheers for any sympathy or advice!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 09:59 AM

Things had sloooowwwwwwed down for me as well but everything is fine this morning.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 10:07 AM

Sell your mother if you have to, but switch to Windows 7. Vista sucked when it came out and it never improved.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 10:33 AM

Before selling any relatives it might be worth trying a different browser such as Opera, Firefox or Safari.

Best wishes,

Peter


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 10:39 AM

I've become annoyed, and even pissed off.

Bur no, I've never wanted a fight.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 12:13 PM

I'm using Vista and Firefox - it's been a bit slow for a while but seems faster today. Otherwise no problems.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 12:13 PM

Steve, it may be your provider's fault, their capacity being exhausted. Temporarily, hopefully. I don't think Vista is the problem.

You probably know that you can click the little "d" behind the display of the number of entries, to get the latest ones only. So there should rarely be a "long" thread to download.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 12:36 PM

I, too, have been having trouble accessing the longer threads today. Never happened before until now. I get an "operation aborted" screen, but when I try again from the homepage (or click the little "d") I seem to then be able to open those threads. Things also seem to be a bit slower than usual.

Still can't open any of the DT files, though. (See other "Tech" thread.)

Jay


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Deckman
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 12:37 PM

at my age ... SLOW ... is what I'm used too!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 01:02 PM

My new machine came with Vista and it was so bad I dumped it and paid to have XP installed. I also use Firefox and have no trouble with Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 01:09 PM

FireFox, Never have a problem

Don


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Bernard
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 01:28 PM

I'm still using XP (SP3) and IE8... no problems.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 02:26 PM

Steve, it may be your provider's fault, their capacity being exhausted. Temporarily, hopefully. I don't think Vista is the problem.

You probably know that you can click the little "d" behind the display of the number of entries, to get the latest ones only. So there should rarely be a "long" thread to download.


Thanks! I don't think it's Vista either - I've used it for Mudcat without issues for years. This is just the last few days. I do use the little "d" all the time but it makes no difference. My provider is BT so I hope they're not too exhausted! My first instinct in these cases is to investigate whether I have trouble with any of my other regular websites - and I don't. Grrr!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 04:15 PM

If this is something new since you added IE8 (which is fairly new) it's possible that you haven't set your default to "delete temp files on closing IE" and are just suffering congestion of your temp space.

IE8 has been the subject of a significant amount of web discussion about problems, and as I've been too offended by the hype that doesn't say anything to accept IE8, I still use IE7. I would expect that IE8 still has a "delete files" at Tools | Internet Options where you could (temporarily) clear the temporary internet files to see if this helps. If it does, you'll want to dig into options to make sure that closing IE clears the most offensive crud.

You make reference to "when I open a new window." IE8 allows "new tabs" I believe, and there should be far less "overhead" (temp space used) if you use a new tab rather than a new window. That may be what you're doing, but if not I'd suggest you try "tabbing" rather than "windowing."

Although most mudcat "casual browsing" doesn't require it, it's almost a necessity to get (and keep) your cookies, and to avoid interference from various flavors of AV/AntiSPAM/AntiCookie features of common "browser protections," that you have mudcat.org in your browser settings as an "always allow" site. (Tools | Internet Options | Privacy Tab | Sites Button - in IE7, and probably same for IE8 (?))

You've probably already set mudcat there since you obviusly haven't tossed your cookie, but it might be worth checking.

With Vista & IE7 I've had no significant problems, with the exception of an occasional "stall" on a thread loading at about the time that the brit catters might be taking their morning coffee break (08:00 - 13:00 UK time?) and the traffic gets very dense. (Their afternoon break seems to be more brief and less intense. ;-))

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 05:46 PM

Thanks, John. I cleared out all the temp files several days ago, to no avail. I have to emphasise that the problem I'm having is exclusively with Mudcat, which is why I raised it. I've been tootling along happily for ages - until the last few days, and I haven't changed a thing. I just wondered whether I was alone.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Vic Smith
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 05:49 PM

FireFox, Never have a problem

Don


Same way of accessing the internet - same result.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 05:59 PM

A "d" part of a Mudcat thread comprises less than 200KB, whereas pages with pictures easily amount to megabytes. Also, Mudcat pages are particularly easy and quick for any browser to render, compared with complicated table structures from other sites.

Your post, Steve, of 30 Jan 11 - 02:26 PM therefore indicates some problems on the way between your provider and the Mudcat server (as "routed" by the former). I guess all you can do is wait for better times to come.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 06:03 PM

My continuing thanks to all posters.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 06:10 PM

Nope. Much as I find certain features of Vista annoying, it works fine on this Acer notebook. Once in a while I have a slow loading page--and I really don't recall if it's only Mudcat or not--so I reload and it's typically ok.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 06:13 PM

You can enter "ping mudcat.org" to a command window to find out the naked response time, no browser involved. If "ping google.com" displays a marked difference, my diagnosis above is consolidated.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 06:17 PM

It seems operation aborted was an error message produced by browsers prior to IE8???? Looks to be to do with problems involving JavaScript. Here is one page I found.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 06:54 PM

Cheers, Jon, but I've just checked and I'm definitely IE8 (you had me doubting meself for a minute there!) I'm a pretty low-tech computer user and I don't get all this alternative browser stuff to be honest... Everything I have is updated. It really is just the last few days and it's driving me potty!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 07:27 PM

I'm thinking that browsers go up and down, with the tides of the Internet. My favorite browsers are Google Chrome and Internet Explorer, but I'm having problems with both of them. Google Chrome gets stuck on scrips, and scripts are everywhere nowadays. Interned Explorer is slow to open some Websites, and won't open a link in a new tab or window any more. I think I'll switch to Firefox until Google or Internet Explorer figure out a solution.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 07:48 PM

All the same Steve, it might be worth downloading and installing Firefox and seeing whether or not that cures your problem with Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 07:49 PM

Messed the link up Firefox


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 04:18 AM

The references above to JavaScript might be a clue.

Microsoft has its own version(s) of Java, but some of them are "optional updates" that you have to ask for. They aren't considered "critical" so they don't update automatically.

If you click on the "Microsoft Update" button that should be somewhere on Start button menu, you have the option to "search for available updates" that will show you the options as well as the critical ones. It's possible that you've got an older Java that's stalling on the Google ads(?).

Microsoft automatic update only gives you the critical (security related) stuff automatically and you have to look at the optionals for performance related patches.

Also, when I had some difficulties that I thought might be "script related" a year or two ago, I ignorantly went direct to Java and updated to their JavaScript. They've automatically prompted me when updates are available, so I've been using "the real one" since and haven't had problems. Although Java was recently "absorbed" by Oracle, I believe the JavaScript updates are still at Java.com or something close to that.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:01 AM

In case my "ping" idea didn't reveal a substantial delay, Jon's clue for JavaScript seems plausible to me; cf. another thread on JavaScript scripts powering ads. Try switching off JavaScript to test the hypothesis. Since JavaScript is in the responsibility of browsers, switching them may solve the problem. Sometimes it is a trade between speed and security. FWIW.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:12 AM

You can set the mudcat.org site up in your hosts file - that will speed up things as you will go direct to the ip address instead of needing to look it up.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:05 AM

Have been trying Mudcat using Vista Home Basic (almost up to date - a couple won't go through) /IE8 on my laptop. Apart from Vista being its usual slow self and there being an excess of disk activity on this machine, I can't see any problems.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:54 PM

Why does the title of this thread remind me of the phrase:

"could start a fight in an empty (chat) room"?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:08 PM

I meant to type "Anyone else having a fight with Mudcat?" but I hit send too early. I'm not good at this.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:03 AM

FireFox Portable on a Corsair Voyager stick.

Can be slow but most of it is down to the USB/PC and the traffic on the net.

If you are a peripatetic PCer it is the safest fast way to operate. All my passwords and favourites go with me when I leave.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:06 AM

Forgot to say - sometimes a poster beats me to the thread and there is no way afterwards that I can post. I may even have to exit the browser to post at all. I copy the message and paste because the only way you find out is when it is too late.

I am sure this has been mentioned and probably has to do with precise URL, but even exiting the thread and going back in, or refreshing doen't seem to remedy the problem.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Anyone having a fight with Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:09 AM

That happens with me as well. I have a message copied on to my clipboard at this very moment!


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