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BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter

Dave MacKenzie 20 Feb 11 - 04:50 AM
YorkshireYankee 19 Feb 11 - 09:47 PM
GUEST, topsie 19 Feb 11 - 07:24 PM
J-boy 17 Feb 11 - 10:39 PM
Dave MacKenzie 17 Feb 11 - 04:44 AM
GUEST,Patsy 17 Feb 11 - 04:16 AM
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Will Fly 16 Feb 11 - 08:39 AM
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GUEST,Shimrod 14 Feb 11 - 11:15 AM
kendall 14 Feb 11 - 09:12 AM
GUEST,Patsy 14 Feb 11 - 09:10 AM
Will Fly 14 Feb 11 - 07:30 AM
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GUEST,Shimrod 14 Feb 11 - 05:26 AM
Dave MacKenzie 14 Feb 11 - 04:19 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 04:50 AM

I rewatched 'Chocolat' recently, and when Johnny Depp was playing slide on a National, it sounded more like a lap guitar without a resonator.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 09:47 PM

I'm not knowledgeable enough about planes, trains, cars, guns, architecture, geography etc. to be bothered by those kinds of mistakes.

However, I do notice when someone is playing an instrument (especially if it's a stringed instrument) and their fingering and/or bowing/strumming has no discernible connection to the music you hear (Pa's fiddling on Little House on the Prairie comes to mind). Likewise dancing that is entirely out of rhythm with the music being played
(I particularly remember an episode of Hart to Hart where they attended a Highland Games; they showed a minute or so of sword dancing where they clearly had just put some bagpipe music into the soundtrack while the dancing was going on. It was at least the right music for the sword dance, but the dancing was completely out of sync
with the music.) That kind of thing really does bug me and strikes me as real sloppiness -- they don't even need to do any research to see/hear that these things don't
match up, but can't be bothered to get it right...


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 07:24 PM

Maybe this belongs in the broadcasting standards thread, but something that annoys me is readers getting the emphasis wrong and either changing the meaning or rendering what they are reading meaningless. An example was a reading of Cider with Rosie a few years ago on Radio 4. Laurie's mother recounts how she went to Aldershot dressed in her Sunday best, including 'crochet-work gloves' - but in this reading she was wearing 'crochet work-gloves'!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: J-boy
Date: 17 Feb 11 - 10:39 PM

The hunting scenes in The Deer Hunter were filmed in the Rockies? One of my all time favorite movies and yet(as you said)I never noticed. Thanks, Spaw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 17 Feb 11 - 04:44 AM

The early Star Treks had the same problems, and they changed planets by changing the colour of the back-lighting.

The later Star Treks had better actors. In the past few days I've watched Armin Shimerman in 'The Hitcher', Marc Alaimo in 'Seems like Old Times' and a better than expected Jolene Blalock in 'I dream of Murder'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 17 Feb 11 - 04:16 AM

The early British soap Crossroads had one big error hardly any of the cast could act. One laughable flaw was the shaking scenery, the old Doctor Who episodes had a similar flaw (polystyrene rocks) which in a way is why I have more affection for them than today's sophisticated hi-tech Doctors with their special effects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 10:38 AM

I enjoy finding the small errors and few films are without them. If the movie purports to be "history," then I have a bigger problem. Of course no one needs to learn history through movies but I appreciate a decent try at least to provide the real story.

The jarring errors in an otherwise great movie are another story. Deer Hunter is an excellent and award winning film with a blockbuster cast. The scenes around their home were all shot on locations in eastern Ohio, the WVa panhandle and the western PA. border. This is an area of steep hills, the foothils of the Appalachians, and an outstanding area for deer hunting. Yet when the group heads out for a short drive to their favorite spot, they arrive two thousand miles away in the Rockies which make for great background but look nothing like the Appalachians. I'm sure others have never noticed because they are unfamiliar with the area but it really bugs me.....LOL

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 08:39 AM

There's a fun bit in one of the Morse episodes where he's walking down the corridor in the Oxford police station and comes to a door with a number-button lock on it. You know the style - 2 rows of numbers on a vertical panel and you press in 4 numbers to clear the lock. We had them on certain rooms at work. You have to stand there for at least 15-20 seconds to operate the thing.

Good old John Thaw got to the door, waved his fingers vaguely in front of it and opened it and walked through without breaking step. It's little things like that...

... which reminds me, Barnaby produced some "passport photos" of a missing suspect the other day - huge snaps that could never have been accepted as passport pics in a million years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 05:03 AM

Another bit of Morse ~~ he is always going on about hie expertise at The Times crossword, but a recent rerun showed him doing the one in the Telegraph. Still, come to think of it, no reason he shouldn't do both, I suppose. I do, & The Guardian & Indy, esp when in my club, where copies available.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: paula t
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 05:23 PM

Once found some old carol sheets. They included that well known traditional carol......"Shepherd's Arse."


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 02:08 PM

With the up and coming execution of Catherine Howard in The Tudors, it will be interesting to see if the correct axe is used!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 12:57 PM

My all-time movie glitch; in "Somewhere In Time", Christopher Reeve drives up to the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island. If you've ever been on Mackinac Island, you'll understand.

I can't remember if I went to Mackinac first, or saw the movie first. But I never caught it. That was a major fudge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: frogprince
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 05:11 PM

My all-time movie glitch; in "Somewhere In Time", Christopher Reeve drives up to the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island. If you've ever been on Mackinac Island, you'll understand.
My second-to-worst glitch on TV: There was a (short lived, I think) effort at a newer "Zorr o" series. I saw one episode. Several characters spent an extended time aloft in a hot air balloon...with no heat source.
My all-time TV boner: in some series which was mercifully euthenized at an early age: A radio-controlled toy car chassis, with a camera mounted on it, used for surveilance; the good guys watching on a TV monitor; the camera was a common 35mm film camera. This was on something made and sold for regular network television.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 11:15 AM

Yes, Dave, as a kid I disliked Superman and loved Dan Dare (I suspect that some cultural differences were involved as well - I suppose that if you're British you don't really believe in omnipotent heroes ...?).


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: kendall
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 09:12 AM

M.A.S.H. was created by a Doctor in Waterville Maine. He did not like the choice for Hawkeye in the series.

Did you also know that Hoppalong Cassidy was created in Maine?


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 09:10 AM

If it is an action fantasy movie I accept a few mistakes because it is fantasy any way so I overlook it but I do hate it when films don't pay attention to detail when it is supposed to be depicting a certain era and they get it totally wrong. Perhaps I am being icky-picky but it irritates me no end if the hair and style is all wrong. Westerns are a typical example, 1940's cowboy films depict women with 40s waves and curls, make up staying miraculously intact whatever the situation. 1950's Westerns done in a 50s style. In 1960's cowboy films the women wear modified 'beehives' sporting 60s make-up. Today in contrast hair of the actors or actresses often looks too well cut, coloured and conditioned and that can look just as unrealistic to me.

Westerns are just an example but any historical costume drama that is supposed to be in a particular time (even Biblical) is spoilt for me by inaccuracies like this. Biblical epic movies where the actress often is wearing a 50s foundation bra is hilarious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 07:30 AM

The most maltreated artefact in film and TV is the poor old computer!

How often do we see (a) whole files wiped out with the press of one switch (b) hacking into a complex system performed in a few seconds or minutes (c) screen graphics that bear no resemblance to any known program living or dead.

The most hilarious bit is in Die Hard 2 where terrorists take over an old church and, in the space of around an hour, set up a whole complex, computerised alternative airport command and air traffic control system. Once again - As if!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 05:37 AM

Which is why I used to love 'Dan Dare'. I've never been a great lover of Superman, though I was quite happy to take it for what it is. It was much more creditably thought through than a lot of the opposition, and I don't think anybody seriously thought that X-Ray Vision had anything to do with Roentgen - just a shorthand for 'he can see through things'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 05:26 AM

There's no reason why children's fiction shouldn't be properly researched. In fact feeding children poorly thought through, shoddy nonsense might even be construed as a form of child abuse.

As a consumer of fiction I prefer it if the authors I read know more than me about the subject/subjects that they are writing about. And if it's fantasy that I'm consuming I need to be able to suspend my disbelief. Therefore the particular fantasy world needs to be consistent and properly thought through. I hate the type of fantasy in which the author has contempt for the medium (and his/her audience?) and thinks that he/she can make it up as he/she goes along without any regard for credibility or consistency. I suspect that most intelligent children would agree with me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 04:19 AM

And here's me thinking that 'Superman' was a fictitious comic strip for children!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 04:13 AM

"But who's to say that Superman's "X-ray vision" literally works via the mechanism of X-ray generation? Maybe "X-ray" is simply an analog or metaphor used to explain, in human terms, something so far removed from our ubderstanding that we have no words for it."

No, the writers were too stupid and lazy to do any proper research!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 Feb 11 - 12:13 AM

Regarding Superman's vision: To each his own taste, I suppose, but I think any counterfactual assumptions in a science-fiction or fantasy story (such as Superman's special powers) should be defined early in the story, and then the rest of the story should be consistent with those assumptions.

I'm not saying X-ray vision couldn't be a metaphor for some more complicated power, but if it is, we need to have the storyteller give us some sort of explanation of how it works. We shouldn't have to invent explanations ad hoc.

(By the way, I never thought Superman's eyes emitted X-rays. I only thought he could see them when they were emitted by some other source, such as the sun.)

The audience will feel cheated if, at the climax of the plot, Superman uses some power we didn't know he had.

Actually, I did feel cheated when Superman reversed time by flying rapidly around the earth. Who knew he could do that? And how the hell would it work? I was so disgusted I never watched another Superman movie.

See Deus ex machina at Wikipedia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 10:48 PM

I recently read a Stephen King short story with a couple of glaring errors in it.

The main character was driving from Jacksonville, Florida to Sarasota, Florida. The route between those to cities is quite simple: drive west from Jacksonville on Interstate 10 for about an hour and then turn south onto Interstate 75 for another four hours or so. The I10/I75 interchange is just north of Lake City. Mr. King had his protagonist stop at a rest stop on I75 toward the end of his trip, but he had yet to reach Lake City. As I understand the geography of Florida, and I've lived in the state my entire life, Lake City should have been a couple of hours behind him.

And the rest stop on I75 at which the driver stopped was indicated by a sign pointing to the left. Now, we drive on the right-hand side of the road in Florida, and a rest stop sign pointing left is going to mean the rest stop is in the median strip, between the northbound and southbound lanes. Sorry, Mr. King, but to the best of my knowledge there are no rest stops so situated on either I75 or any other interstate highway in Florida. They're all either on the right side of the highway or off the highway all together, and they're all accessed by turning right, not left. The service plazas on The Florida Turnpike are situated in large median areas, but that's not where the guy was driving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 10:19 PM

I remember when Master and Commander came out all the grief that was generated in this forum because Aubrey had too many epaulets on his uniform. Now thats nit pickin'.

I get bent when westerns have the wrong guns for the time. But a lot of slack has to be given just so there is enough room in the Sub or the log cabin or miners home just for the camera to record the story. I remember reading what a nightmare Barry Lyndon was to shoot because Kubrick insisted that it be shot with available natural light.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 10:11 PM

But who's to say that Superman's "X-ray vision" literally works via the mechanism of X-ray generation? Maybe "X-ray" is simply an analog or metaphor used to explain, in human terms, something so far removed from our ubderstanding that we have no words for it. Maybe Sup doesn't literally see through things at all, but projects some seeing part of his psyche through space - something more akin to astral projection than X-ray vision.

Yeah, I know the guy who wrote the comic called it X-ray vision, but he was human. Superman isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 09:30 PM

There was a scene in the first Superman movie in which Lois Lane, skeptical that Superman really had X-ray vision, challenged him to prove it by telling her what color panties she was wearing. He answered (if I remember correctly) "blue" and convinced her.

That wouldn't work. Have you ever seen an X-ray image that showed you, for example, what color your liver was? X-ray IS a color. It's just beyond the range of visibility for ordinary humans. If X-rays were visible to us, they would appear as another color added to the spectrum as we know it.

If you shine a pure red light on anything, it looks either red or black. You can't use a red light to see any color other than red. Likewise you couldn't use X-rays to see any color other than X-ray.

(I'm ignoring fluorescence, but that's not likely to be a factor.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 07:18 PM

Then again, I believe that it was proved conclusively in the late nineteenth century that travelling at more than 30mph would be fatal for humans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Micca
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 06:52 PM

On the subject of Sci Fi in the movies and on TV a colleague some years ago did a lecture on the Physics of Superheroes. 2 of his suggestions were
1 Supermans X-Ray vision would kill him because the heat generated in his skull by generating X-rays would cook his brain, he used the correct equations to show the energy produced.
2 that a motor cycle that had a particle beam weapon on it ,to raise enough energy for the beam to work as the show suggested would weigh several hundred tons, but, more importantly, be 3/4 of a mile long!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Bettynh
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 02:10 PM

Hollywood seems to have a warped idea of New England, it's language and particularly, geography. There have been tv shows based on glaciers in the White Mountains, abandoned gold mines, hot springs, and creek beds. We have NO glaciers, hot springs or tunnelled mines (I'm not absolutely sure about the mines, but if we have them, they're very rare). We have brooks, not creeks. And for all the effort to paak cahs, nobody in New England takes "the 128," which is a peculiarly LA term for using a highway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 01:56 PM

Not sure about that, pdq. It probably existed in oral tradition from the Days Of 49, but only achieved actual book publication a few years later. Its well established 'Villikins' tune would be just the sort of thing that travellers towards the diggings would improvise words to as they went.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 12:22 PM

Somebody asked if "Sweet Betsy From Pike" was old enough to be sung authentically in a Western.

It was pulblished in 1858 so it is old enough to be in a Western, but not in a story about the early days of the Gold Rush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 12:17 PM

I particularly despise TV and cinematic 'Sci-Fi'. As a lad I was obsessed with (written) Science Fiction (which was abbreviated to 'SF' - never 'Sci-Fi'!). I suppose that I was (and still am - to a certain extent) a bit of a nerd. But written SF was stirring and fascinating and left me with an understanding of the human race's place in the Universe. In addition most SF writers were capable of thinking their creations through.

In the visual media, though, the writers seem completely and utterly incapable of thinking anything through! Most of their work appears to be soap opera with undigested and misunderstood SF tropes stuck on with wall paper paste. It's also glaringly obvious that the writers know absolutely NOTHING about science. Any science content in their creations seems to have been gleaned from the 'News of the World' Science column ("Elvis clone found in wormhole!"). Most of them haven't got a clue about interstellar distances and don't seem to know the difference between a planet and a star.

An example of not thinking things through is in Spielberg's 'War of the Worlds'. Why did the aliens bury their war machines and then wait for centuries, until humans had evolved, and only then invade?
Another example is 'Alien'. This was supposed to be set on a "mining ship" - who the f**k would transport minerals or metal ores over interstellar distances!!

The latest abomination is the new BBC serial 'Outcasts' - which appears to me to be 'Eastenders' set in outer space. I stopped watching it after the first episode, during which some silly tw*t attempted to land a starship (presumably the size of a city) on a planet - and, not surprisingly, failed. Oh dear - there goes 10 trillion quids worth of technology - not to mention the passengers and crew!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 11:56 AM

Crabapple Cove doesn't exist.
You mean M.A.S.H. was fiction????


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: mauvepink
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 08:34 AM

Iinternet Movie DataBase (IMDb) had lists of gaffs for most films

I find some really annoying. Almost like they are treating the potential audience as not intelligent enough to notice when something glaringly wrong is done. I like aviation films, as an example, and they are often so full of holes. They really rattle me sometimes! lol

B727 (3 jet engines, rear mounted) takes off, a B747 in flight (4 wing mounted jet engines) and B767 landing (two wing mounted jets). B747-400 shown from the outside and crew of three (including a flight engineer) in the cockpit. B747-400's have a two crew cockpit (as do most modern generation aircraft). The amount of twin jet engined helicopters that have single piston engined Bell 47 sound when flying or on the ground is quite remarkable. And the real major annoyance are the jets that are diving toward the ground complete with the sound of a single piston engined fighter type diving. Cockpits are always massive and have loads of space. In fact most cockpits are quite cramped because there is no money to be made from the space being used for the poor pilots. Very few aviation films have kept my respect for good efforts. For me it is poor attentiuon to detail and an insult to the audience. They spend millions on films, I doubt it would be any more expensive to dub authentic sounds rather the sound archive ones that get used. Obviously I am touchy on this as it an area of interest I have. I am sure many notice it on many other topics.

The Airplane parodies are not short of material from the true aviation films to be able to mock. I think there is less excuse for such glaring errors these days than there were in the past. The technology now is so good they can make things accurate.

I'll shush now ;-)

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 08:33 AM

Crabapple Cove doesn't exist. Cabot Cove doesn't exist.
Suck it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 05:46 AM

Sometimes the whole film is excruciatingly wrong. I'm thinking of a ghastly version of Mansfield Park, with Billie Piper as Fanny Price. The whole point of the book is the timidity and submissivness of Fanny, and her consequent suffering by bullying and selfishness. In the film, she's a hoyden, feisty, sexy and bold. I was amazed and disgusted. Also, the recent 'Marple' series blatantly changes the story beyond recognition. I do feel that Jane Austin and Agatha Christie can't really be 'improved' upon like this!


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 05:35 AM

Knowing a locale can sometimes spoil things.

Early episodes of The Bill was filmed near the office where I was then working in the East End.

To film a conversation in between driver and passenger in a car they shoot all of one side then all of the other and edit them together. The driver was driving along The Highway towards The City and the passenger was travelling up Cable Street towards Limehouse.

Never watch Morse too closely if you know Oxford. He regularly drove off in the opposite direction to wherever he was supposed to be going.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 05:14 AM

Nowadays publishers quite often send books to India for copy-editing - much cheaper but you get some curious results.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 13 Feb 11 - 03:58 AM

Well, I've just read a very sloppily proofread Clive Cussler book: "partisan" for "partition", several other spelling & factual errors (ignoring the pseudoscience of the plot) the worst being "The Algentinians call the Falkland Islands the Maldives" ! Even in a formulaic potboiler like his such errors do irritate.

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: josepp
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 08:27 PM

The boot camp sequence in "Stripes" was laughable. I don't know what military those guys went to but it wasn't the U.S. I especially thought it was funny when the CC (company commander) has everybody in the company (about 6 guys when there would be more like 60) taking turns talking about themselves and what they were looking for in the Army and all this boyscout shit.

Your CC doesn't give a rat's rotting asshole about where you come from or what you're hoping to get out of your experience and if you tried talking about it, he'd scream right in your face "SHUT THE FUCK UP, ASSHOLE!!!" The whole idea of bootcamp is to strip your of every vestige of your former civilian life and transition you to a soldier of a sailor or a marine. They shave your hair off, take away your civilian clothes, and everything you need to have they will give you--towels, soap, toothpaste, sewing kit, uniforms, dental/medical checkups. You might as well bring nothing with you other than the clothes on your back because they won't let you have it anyway. You have to learn to march, to carry a piece, to recognize rank symbols, to know your chain of command, to say "yes, sir" and "no, sir." You don't have time to talk about where you came from and what your buddies called you and they won't give you that time. That part of your life is over and you ain't gonna dwell on it.

Full Metal Jacket was a bit more realistic. In fact, the barracks and everything was just like how it really looks. Getting woke up in the morning was like that too. And when they wake you up--you better get your ass out of that rack right the hell now. Don't keep laying there. They don't like that. At all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Micca
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 04:24 PM

Jim Dixon, Re:-Ducting,its been done a bit, see the Abrams, Zucker Bros(the Guys who gave you Airplane) Movie "Top Secret" That spoofs Elvis films and Spy films, for more info try Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 04:14 PM

I also cringe at many period films that contain current word usage and phraseology. Absolutely is one overused word in such films. MikeL2···

Not a very good example, MikeL, tho I agree with general point about later vocab ~~ like Craig greeting Bentley at beginning of Let Him Have It, about famous 1950s murder, "You've been keeping a very low profile lately" ~~ a computing-based usage no older than the 60s at earliest. But 'absolutely' I can recall for the whole of my long life ~ a fave word of my dear Aunt Lille, who used to call people "Poppet" right back in the 30s ~~ absolutely!!.

In the film of Fredric Raphael's The Glittering Prizes, Tom Conti & friends cycle wrong way along Trinity Street, Cambridge, which is a one-way street.

And Chariots Of Fire, film about 1924 Olympics, opened with a screen caption saying "Caius College, Cambridge" over a shot of the gate of Trinity Hall.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Bert
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 03:53 PM

We care because it brings us right back into our living rooms staring at the television and spoils the movie magic.

They might just as well have shown televisions in Ancient Greece.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 03:52 PM

I'd like to see a scene in a comedy movie where they would spoof the crawling-through-the-ventilation-duct cliché.

First the bad guys would hear the loud rumble of the sheet metal flexing and bending under the weight of the crawler. They would also hear coughing and sneezing. Of course the intruder would be lost, since there are no signs saying, "This way to the secret laboratory." The hero's path would take him right over the table where the bad guys are playing poker. They look up in amazement at the sound. They draw their guns and take aim at the noisy bulge in the ductwork. Then the supports give way and all the ductwork collapses onto the floor.

Did I actually see a scene like that, or did I just imagine it? I am picturing Mike Myers as Austin Powers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 03:32 PM

Geez! Just when I was wondering, like Kendall, why anyone cares!! But I don't even have a dog to kick and the darn worms don't even talk back. (In my new worm composter.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: Bert
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 03:20 PM

josepp, Yes the ducts they are always wrong.

In a large building they can be up to six feet square at first, but when they get to the individual rooms they are very small. I've built some that were 4 inches by 3 inches.

Hardly big enought to crawl through.

Then on the inside they are joined together by sharp sheet metal screws that are screwed in from the outside leaving their sharp points pointing inwards. So if you ever got one to crawl through you'd get torn to pieces at every joint.

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Then there's the welding or burning (oxy-acetylene cutting) it is always wrong. In The Full Monty they showed someone arc welding and commented that the gas mixture was all wrong. There is just the possibility that they were trying to make the character seem ignorant but I don't really believe that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 03:19 PM

Now, a question, Why the hell do we care?

Because it's a fun thread topic and we got tired of kicking the dog?


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 03:04 PM

I don't think Pirates of the Caribbean was meant to be realistic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 02:55 PM

And those women with perfect makeup after several days in the jungle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Do small errors in books, film &c matter
From: kendall
Date: 12 Feb 11 - 02:52 PM

Now, a question, Why the hell do we care?

One of our tv stations insist on announcing the weather...We've got you covered! I asked them if they know the difference but no reply.


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