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Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea

YorkshireYankee 15 Feb 11 - 10:15 AM
GUEST,leeneia 15 Feb 11 - 11:40 AM
YorkshireYankee 15 Feb 11 - 02:09 PM
YorkshireYankee 15 Feb 11 - 02:22 PM
GUEST,leeneia 15 Feb 11 - 08:49 PM
YorkshireYankee 16 Feb 11 - 05:56 AM
GUEST,leeneia 16 Feb 11 - 10:09 AM
HughW 16 Feb 11 - 11:36 AM
GUEST,John Bowden 16 Feb 11 - 12:25 PM
Steve Byrne 16 Feb 11 - 01:26 PM
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GUEST,Terry Arnold 26 Apr 13 - 03:02 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 10:15 AM

A friend of mine remembers his Nan singing him this song when he was small. She has just died, and he would like to play it at her funeral, but can't find it anywhere.

Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
seagull seagull please take a message for me.
If you see a big ship sailing on the foam please
tell my daddy that his little laddy is waiting for him at home


I've googled for it (he has tried to find it online himself), and checked the DT and the Forum (waded through hundreds of posts about Seagull guitars!) with no results.

This is something the collective brain of Mudcat excels at, so I'm hoping we can come through for my friend in time for his Nan's funeral.

Any takers?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 11:40 AM

I did some looking, but I couldn't find it either. Children's songs are often short, and it may be that that's all there ever was to it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 02:09 PM

Thanks for looking, leeneia -- really appreciate it.

More info, in case it's helpful:
My friend is from here in Yorkshire (I think his Nan is, too).

The funeral is Thursday, so -- unfortunately -- that doesn't leave much time...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 02:22 PM

Checked with my friend about where his Nan is from. He says she is from Yorkshire... "to a degree. Her parents were in the theatre and travelled the country until she was about twenty. Then she moved around a bit when she married until she was in her thirties and stayed in Yorkshire from then."

So I guess it can't be narrowed down to Yorkshire, by any means...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Feb 11 - 08:49 PM

Okay, now if this were my family, I would do the following:

1. Folk-process the words (which may not be remembered correctly) to make them more rhythmic. See below.

2. If the friend remembers the tune, all well and good. Assign chords to it, and have someone who plays guitar accompany it. (Everybody knows SOMEBODY who plays guitar.)

3. If the tune is lost, make up another one.

4. At the funeral, sing the song once, extemporize upon the chords for an interlude, then sing it again.

Seagull, seagull fly o'er the sea.
Seagull, take a message for me.
If you see a big ship sailing on the foam,
please tell my daddy
his little laddy
waits for him at home.
Seagull seagull fly o'er the sea.
Seagull, take a message for me.

That will make it longer and more formal, so as to fit better at a funeral.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 05:56 AM

Thanks again, leeneia -- very good of you. I had been starting to think along those lines, but you have really thought it through; I will definitely suggest it to my friend if nothing turns up soon...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 10:09 AM

You're welcome. I hope it works out. The words are challenging.

One final thought - maybe it needs to be

Go and tell my daddy
that his little laddy
waits for him at home.

(It's easier to make up a melody if the rhythm is regular.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: HughW
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 11:36 AM

stretching it a bit but maybe related to this?!

Pretty doves, spread your pinions and fly o'er the sea,
'Till the bark of my love you o'ertake,
And give him this message, yes, tell him for me,
To return or my sad heart will break.

which is half a verse from this song.

Hugh


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,John Bowden
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 12:25 PM

Hi Vikki,

It might be the fragment recorded by Ruth Burdon on Folktrax cassette 90-0626 - I don't have this , but maybe somebody else does?


"SEAGULL, SEAGULL - "take a message for me" -- Ruth BURDON (frag) rec Sandwich, Kent 27/2/82: CASS-90-0626 "



Good hunting!



John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: Steve Byrne
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 01:26 PM

Several possible leads over at the VWML/Roud Folksong Index perhaps?

http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?cross=on&index_roud=on&index_roudbroadside=on&query=seagull&start=2&output=Record&access=off

Ginette Dunn's Fellowship of Song (1980) pp.241-242 has a song 'Seagull' referenced in it - I don't have the book and Googlebooks only shows parts of it. It's on singing traditions of East Suffolk.

Roud 10834 'Is the Story True' has an opening line 'Seagull, gentle seagull'. It appears in Cheney, Mormon Songs from the Rocky Mountains (1968) pp.78-79

The Opies reference, Roud 20742, is probably of the fairly well-known 'Seagull, seagull sit on the shore' variety.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 16 Feb 11 - 08:26 PM

Three cheers -- the song has been found! ("And there was much rejoicing...")

A friend of mine posted my request on the Trad Song Forum and got a response; John Bowden (above) also has identified the song (take a bow, John!). Better yet, the fellow who posted on TSF has a cassette recording of the song; he has played it over the phone into my husband's camera (which also does video recordings, so there's a soundtrack -- digital even -- that we can play on the computer). The sound quality is far too poor to use for the funeral (can't really even make out the words, but the tune comes through), but it's good enough for me to learn it in time for tomorrow.

Here's an excerpt of the TSF post/message (from George Frampton, who I'm told is not a stranger to Mudcat):
Peter Kennedy recorded it from Ruth Burden of Eastry, Kent - one verse only, but mercifully, the tune. I have a copy on CD-R which he sent me; otherwise try Tony Engle.
Nigel Hobbins of the Whitstable FC also recorded the song from his grandfather Bill Hobbins of Challock, Kent - Nigel sent me a cassette of Bill singing it. Nigel also sang it at the Kent Gathering in 2008.
Could copy all three versions onto a cassette if you're desparate.
I've been through my own song indexes, and I have no hard copy, alas.


It would be great if I could find written words for the verses, as the recording of George's recording is so poor I can't make them out, but finding the tune for the chorus in time for the funeral is absolutely brilliant, so I'm willing to settle for that for the time being.

We've contacted my friend, and he (and his Mum) are thrilled that it has been tracked down.

I'm absolutely blown away by the fact that the folk community was able to dig up this incredibly obscure song in less than 48 hours! Actually, my friend e-mailed me at 12.36 pm yesterday (15 Feb) and by 5.16 pm today John Bowden's message was in my mailbox; George Frampton's message had been forwarded to me by 6.07 pm today -- so that's less than 35 (or 36, depending how you count) hours -- truly amazing!

Thanks to everyone who has helped -- and tried to help. Special thanks to leeneia for your repeated efforts; to John Bowden for coming up with the correct song, and to Steve Byrne for what looks like an extremely comprehensive search (are you by any chance a librarian, Steve?). I followed your search link and looked at all three results; the one you linked to (the 2nd) looks most promising, but I did a further search for "records containing all of the following words" and added the words daddy, home and foam (together, then singly), but get "No records" in the Search results, so I guess it's prolly not that song, unfortunately.

I'll report back after the funeral to let y'all know how it turned out.

Thanks again to everyone, and extra special thanks to George!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,Gadaffi
Date: 17 Feb 11 - 07:04 AM

I'm sure Mr Frampton will be grateful for the acknowledgement. ;0)

PS He can transcribe the words if it's not too late.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,Terry Arnold
Date: 26 Apr 13 - 03:02 PM

26 april 2013 I remember this song as a child during or just after the second world war. I recall this verse along with those previouly
mentioned.
                     
To my dear daddy a sailorman bold.
On his big ship on the foam /On his big ship on the sea.
Tell him his little boy does love him so.
And will he return back home. /And will he return to me.
      
Hope this is of some help. There is certainly a tune for these lyrics.   


I remember as a child we had the sheet music for this song and my Mum
used to play it for us on the piano


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,Ian Armstrong
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:07 PM

My mother's family used to sing this
Seagull Seagull
Please take a message for me
If you see a big ship
Sailing on the sea
Tell my Daddy that his little boy/girl
Is waiting for him at home


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 06:40 PM

Did anyone find the name of this song in the end? OP didn't actually share his results...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Seagull seagull fly away over the sea
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 12:53 PM

"Did anyone find the name of this song in the end? OP didn't actually share his results..."

See the posts from 16 Feb 2011 above


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