FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )

Subject: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 17 Feb 11 - 07:57 PM

Dear all

Have just had the unfortunate news last Tuesday that Paul and Ann (The Landlord and Landlady) are shortly to be leaving the pub and that it looks likely that the pub will close it's doors.

They are not sure of the exact date they are leaving but estimate mid March.

Until the pub closes we still intend to run the Tuesday night and First Saturday of the month singaround so all are still welcome.

It has been eight years since the session was started up by Stuart supported by myself and the wife and it has gone through it's up and downs. That said, it has been well supported by many visitors despite being a hidden treasure. Especially during the last three folk weeks which had well supported evenings all week and have been a blast. (albeit very tiring)

Can I take this opportunity to thank all the many visitors and regular away supporters who have helped to make the sessions what they are. Big thanks also to the local regulars who helped to keep it going during the dark winter nights.

Finally thanks must go to Paul and Ann for allowing us to invade their hostelry every Tuesday (and the occasional Saturday). And also for the half time sandwiches provided.

See you all around the bazaars.

Chris

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,ossonflags wivout cookie
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 02:26 AM

What terrible news.Have spent many a happy hour/year with superb company in this great hostelry.

I am sure you and Stu and the rest will be setting something up in another pub Chris?

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 04:54 AM

It looks like the final First Saturday in the FILO will be Saturday 5th March, this is the night after the Runswick Bay Rescue Boat do, unfortunately I have other committments for that night but hopefully enough people will go to the FILO to make it a cracking night, I would also like to add many thanks from Wombat and myself to Ann and Paul, they have been fantastic hosts during their time there, lets hope they get another pub in Whitby.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 07:26 PM

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Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Gillie
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 01:54 AM

So what's going to happen to the pub? Is it going to be pernamently closed or is it up for lease/let? Was there just not enough trade there? Shame for it to just die.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 10:14 AM

Gillie

From what we hear it is more than likely going to close The brewery are unwilling to invest in the pub. Also the current economic climate is not helping as less people are going out to drink in the pub. This is not a phenomenon restricted to the FILO alone in Whitby as other casualties include "The New Angel" and "The Bottom House" and it is fairly obvious that there is less trade in the other pubs that are still open.

CC

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Ann N
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 12:19 PM

Will be there on the Tuesdays and the 5th. It's going to be missed.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,Alf
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 06:04 AM

Oh B****r!! Bang go our plans for listening to Folk in the FILO at WFF.
Please let us know if the session starts up somewhere else :)

   Alf & missus Alf

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 06:48 AM

Last night (in the Station, Whitby)it was stated that the FILO had already closed THIS IS NOT THE CASE, it will be running tomorrow night 22nd February and we anticipate holding the First Saturday session on the 5th March...........watch this space.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,del boy
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 08:39 AM

sorry hear its one of the best sessions around stu and Chris run a great one hope it it can move.see you all on the 5 th

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,del boy
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 08:43 AM

Derek..Pat ...up 1

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:13 AM

Bad news that. Still got photo's from 2007 at FILO.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: mandomad
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 12:00 PM

This is so sad for the Whitby music scene, and for Ann and Paul.We know that a lot of the pubs are struggling, but to lose four of Whitby's fine drinking establishments is appalling. Jingle and I have had so many great evenings in the Filo, and hoped for many more when we finally got to Whitby for good.   This is going to be a bit later than we thought, unfortunately, as some of you may know, our place was flooded out before Christmas by a STUPID NEIGHBOURS burst pipes.(Lost everything including a Flatiron mandolin).
So where do The FILO sessions go to now? There never was anywhere as welcoming. Ann (and Chuck before her) were so generous with the food at half time, and the music was the best weekly/monthly sessions in Whitby. Golden Lion? Ship? It'll be a nice excuse for a few pub crawls!!

mandomad

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 12:57 PM

Dear All;

Val heard from Paul today that their last day is the 21st March. So the Final Tuesday singaround will take place on the 15th March.

Tony;

Stu and I have already proposed that a pub crawl is needed!!!

Chris

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: ossonflags
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 01:31 PM

Can I come?

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 23 Feb 11 - 09:28 PM

Don't see why not.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: muppett
Date: 24 Feb 11 - 06:56 AM

Oh eck, so yer another pub bites the dust. I'll be over for the lifeboat gig next friday and will coming to the FILO on the Saturday, so lets make it one to remember.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,ossonflags on tour
Date: 25 Feb 11 - 03:16 AM

Aye 'up Muppett. Sorry cant be there for this weekend I'm over your end of country; gorra spot at Ingleton fund raising fest.Anyroad have a good 'un.

Any news of future venues for replacement FILO sessions?

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 25 Feb 11 - 05:49 AM

Not as yet Mick

C

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Feb 11 - 05:49 AM

The pub crawl hasn't been arranged yet to my knowledge, The Bottom House is out as it has been sold and is to be converted to flats, other venues each have their drawback when compared to the FILO, watch this space.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 09:01 AM

Anyone over in whitby on Saturday its the last saterday for the F.I.L.O folk sessions everyone welcome, come on over lets give this one little gem of pub a fantastic send off it deserves and to say a very big thanks to Paul & Ann.. It will be so missed off the one of the friendly folk session pubs on the Whitby venues, So come on over lets have a good night And one to remember!!!!!!!!! Val...Commander Crabbe's Wife!!lol...

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 03:26 PM

I can only secong these sentiments, Ann and Paul have been so supportive of the folk nights we have had at the FILO, they have also been supportive of the Runswick Rescue Boat and our efforts to raise funds for it.
Hopefully many of the people who come for the fund raiser on Friday will stay over to give them a resounding send off.
Both Christine and myself will miss the sessions in the FILO, we both think they have been the best in the town.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Betsy
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 06:19 PM

Good fish shop across the road an' all. What a pity

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 04:14 AM

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Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 06:55 AM

News from the FILO:- Although Ann and Paul are sadly leaving in March, they told us last night that the pub will remain open and that new tenants are being sought.

Cheers

Raggytash

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Ann N
Date: 06 Mar 11 - 04:57 PM

great do at the FILO last night :D and thanks to Muppet I'll never be able to hear anyone sing 'Black Velvet Band' again without collapsing in a fit of giggles

    .....'her HAIRY TONGUE over her shoulder, tied up with a black velvet band'.......

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: RichardPonytail
Date: 07 Mar 11 - 07:29 AM

Leslie and I would like to say "Thanks" to all concerned for the fantastic night on Saturday. We particularily enjoyed "Noggin Noggin Grog" which was the signiture song for our little band in Suffolk. Best of luck in the search for a new landlord or new venue. We'll certainly be across for the first session!

Cheers,
Richard

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 07 Mar 11 - 04:36 PM

Just to keep you updated, The FILO under Ann and Paul has closed it's doors today. This means that the session this and next Tuesday which we had planned to do will now no longer be.

Thanks to everyone who packed out the session on Saturday night and made it a great finale.

We have been appraised of plans to keep the pub open but as yet have no idea whether the session will be continuing there.

I will let everyone know as soon as we do.

Chris

Some days there won't be a song in your heart. Sing anyway.

~ Emory Austin

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: mandomad
Date: 07 Mar 11 - 05:32 PM

When in doubt,   sing LOUD!      Robert Merrill
seconded by me.    And I did...many times in the FILO's many lovely evenings.      



                   mandomad

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: muppett
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 08:29 AM

So another live music venue bites the dust.
Anne and I really enjoyed Saturday night, it just got better and better as the night went on.

On a different note, how much was raised over the weekend.

Cheers

Muppett

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 08:52 AM

Tony

when did you start singing loud? I always think you of you as such a quiet little thing.

Rog

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 01:17 PM

Hi muppett at f.i.l.o we raised £70.00 a big thank you to all that put in to the well worth Runswick bay lifeboat fund, I think the pub went out on a good high great night had by all, see you all around. Mrs C (Val)..

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 01:54 PM

Muppet

I think the total was about £970. its on the Runswick Bay Rescue Boat thread.

Chris

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 02:03 PM

Muppett, the grand total for the weekend was indeed £970 .... and fifty eight pence, it all adds up. If you look on the relevant thread all the info is there, but I'll say it again THANK-YOU to all concerned, those who sang, played, donated.

Cheers

Nick

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: mandomad
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 05:21 PM

Rog,
    I've never been little.   
      
       And...I can sing louder than Bob Davenport...(quote from Tony Capstick).

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 05:52 PM

Well done you guys.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: del boy
Date: 09 Mar 11 - 02:11 AM

Sorry to hear filo shut its doors yesterday ....we had a great night on Saturday we sang the roof off and 70 pound for the lifeboat ..will filo open again ? Hope so

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 09 Mar 11 - 02:35 PM

Tony

I remember a gig that we did in Wakefield as the sticky Wicket duo when I had mic and you didn't - you were still louder than me!

Rog

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: RichardPonytail
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 01:44 PM

Lesley's cousin (note the correct spelling this time) has just emailed me to say that the FILO has opened with a new landlord. Fingers crossed!

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 04:08 PM

Landlady I believe, it re-opened on Saturday (12th), yet to hear from Stuart or Chris if the session to go ahead tomorrow.


Watch this space

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 08:12 PM

Apparently Stuart asked today and the answer was no!

Chris

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,ossonflags wivout cookie
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 04:25 AM

what a shame!!!

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: mandomad
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 09:18 AM

The new Landlady/manager must be mad, surely if she looks at the weekly takings, sees the rise during Folky nights,she can't afford ignore the difference.   FILO is so quiet mid week/ out of season. Even at weekends, the locals would rather go to the pubs down in the town for a bit of life, and to catch up on Whitby's gossip.
      Still, that's the new landlady's perogative...she doesn't have to like us noisy, lively, friendly, beer drinking Folkies...




                   mandomad

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 10:18 AM

Just spoken to Stuart, he was going to leave it a week or two to let the dust settle, however events changed things and he went in to see the new incumbent. She told him she did not want the Tuesday session as it was not financially rewarding (not her exact words but the gist) However she did want the monthly Saturday session to continue, you can guess Stuarts response, needless to say he politely declined. So now we shall have to see what other potential venues are available,I would think that after a brief "honeymoon" period Tuesday nights will be very quiet in the FILO and she may have some time on her hands to reconsider her initial reaction. Unfortunately this is our loss as well as hers, the weekly sessions at the FILO could very very entertaining with a wide variety of styles and material.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,DICKY BOY
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 03:35 PM

Cant believe that landlady! good buisness from the folkies but her perogative....

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Ann N
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 04:25 PM

Having only got back into playing regularly in the past year thanks to the friendly FILO folk and wanting to keep on playing I'm going to go to the Thursday Folk down the Friendship, went last week and enjoyed it so it's marked on the calender for this week too.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: RichardPonytail
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 05:54 PM

Strange tack the licenced trade is taking nowadays.

I remember when landlords actively supported and encouraged any group of people they could get. Darts, pool, fives and threes, cribbage, music - you name it. We used to play in the lounge while they were playing darts etc in the back bar. Nobody ever shouted "game on" at us!

On a brighter note, I know a pub where they took out the pool table and dart board to get "a different type of customer" to come in. Nobody did. The games (and the locals) were back within three months.

Best of luck with the search,
Richard

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 06:27 PM

It was ever thus ! I (and sometimes a mate) were fired from the same pub three times ! Each time it was sold , and one time time it took three weeks for the new gaffer to ask us back ! And that was thirty years ago !
Good luck getting the session back !

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Les from Hull
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 03:40 AM

I'm amazed! Turning away drinking people on a Tuesday night!

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Ann N
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 04:26 AM

A friend went past the FILO last night and only saw 4 people in the pub.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: mandomad
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 06:28 AM

Jist looked at the FILO website, All mentions of Folk music, and the two photos of Folk sessions are wiped off their site. We ain't even welcome any more it seems.




    mandomad

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 09:58 AM

Apparently Goths are welcome though - they have banner running across the website to that effect.

R

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Tyke
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 12:59 PM

Aledgidly:-
Same old same Old! Brewery can't afford a manager cheaper with a tenant? They will charge the New Tenant according to how much Beer the Pub sells. So why sell lot's of beer and work hard until you are the New Tennant and on a low rent for Two Years! Next ploy is for the Brewery to pay for live music to make the Manager sell more Beer!

Still Welcoming the Goths! Well that week is still a while away and the Blood Suckers at the Brewery will want to stick together.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:23 AM

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Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Betsy
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:29 AM

Hiya Tyke,
I think you might have got your wires crossed - Managers are believed by the Breweries to be cheaper ( Not Tenants) though I have no knowledge of the FILO present arrangements.

My understanding in the average English pub is that a Manager gets a wage / salary - so he/she is (relatively) unaffected by sales therefore there is no incentive to work harder or institute ideas to get more punters through the door.
A Tenant purchases a lease, and also pays a rent generally to the brewery who owns the pub. The Tenant is obliged to buy beer etc from the brewery at prices set by the Brewery.

Put VERY simply , you're more likely to get a stoppy-back or a late drink from a Tenant because the Tenant has to fill the Till to pay the rent , so , if the Tenant can get punters through the door by having a folk evening or whatever other type – then why not ?
A Tenant try other revenue raising activites i.e. probviding meals / food / putting on entertainment etc.

A Manager just finds THAT situation more work, so they are not inclined to put themselves to the trouble.

I must stress again I don't have any knowledge of the present set up at FILO , but it is a shame for all like minded Folkies and other visitors to Whitby – especially with a great fish and chip shop across the road .

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 11:02 AM

The additional problem is that most of these pubs that end up in this situation are not owned by breweries but by pubcos that have no link to beer production nor in promoting it. These pubcos are simply property owning conglomerates that mainly make their money buying and selling properties and collecting rents. (Oh, and a 40% markup on the beers that are sold)

That means that the community side of pubs (including music) is very low in the priority list.

Roger

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: GUEST,Betsy
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 04:14 PM

How very true Sir Roger

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 05:16 PM

What a bloody shame.

Me think landlady want heavy drinkers, who then spill out of the pub, thump f**k out of each other smash windows and damage property.

Stupid landlady.

When I went to FILo, I met many very nice people, who had a fair amount to drink, but then went home peacefully.

Silly arsehole will probably come creeping back when she realises the error of her ways.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 05:18 AM

She may well Arthur, but possible not if we slag her off on here and she reads it, we may move to a Thursday night and frequent Mr Heywoods folk club at the Friendship, good room, decent beer at reasonable prices, watch this space.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 05:29 AM

Ok I will lay off Raggy. The Friendship where Mick runs his club, sounds like a good idea. As you say, plenty of room and decently priced booze. Can't go wrong, if all of the regulars from FILO go there as well.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Mrs C.
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 06:58 AM

Well Stu & Hubby (Chris) went last week to the friendship and spoke with Mick about joining up together, it is still in the decision stage at the moment, although it as got a lot going in the its favor of moving to this venue with Mick with Stu being is right hand man and Chris if needed, room is great! beer is a lot cheaper!! bar staff are friendly and Like folkies which I think goes a long why, only thing is thay is no first Saturday at the moment, but thay maybe things around this (just watch this space we will forward details on this once we have more details!!)
               I do appreciate that we all have the figure of speech and I am sure we all have our opinions on the new Landlady's move on having No Folkies!! this she as made very clear she does not won't us there, Me I personally like to be were the Landlord/lady Like folkies it goes a long way of the enjoyment of the evening.
                We will let everyone know how things go on the move People we have spoke to that have give us wonderful support at the F.I.L.O have liked the idea on the move to the friendship..
         We are there this Thursday so please come and see what you think for yourself be great to see you!!
               Farewell to the old in with the New...Mrs C.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: mandomad
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 07:43 AM

Friendship is a very good venue. Cheap beer, good atmosphere, and we've all been made welcome.   Are you stopping in the main bar, or the great concert room upstairs? Just hope we wouldn't upset the regular Thursday night folk. There's even a beer garden and great views of Whitby from all the windows   



                            mandomad

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Mrs C.
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 08:53 AM

Its upstairs!!
Its in decision at the moment with Mick Stu Chris!!& the landlord.We do not won't to upset anyone on this move if it takes place, So all comment on this welcome!!We were there last Thursday and had a good night, It was agreed that we give it a few weeks and see how it goes, all I can say is come along and see what you think!!Chris & I think its a good move..
       It is sad about the F.I.L.O We have all had a great 7yrs and with some great friends and great friendships made over them years but I dont know about you, but me I would rather be were I am welcome!!& so far the friendship as lived up to its Name!!.. Mrs C.

Subject: RE: FILO Whitby (First Inn Last Out )
From: Mrs C.
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:05 AM

Refresh