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Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)

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THE CARD SONG


MartinRyan 18 Feb 11 - 06:04 AM
Joe Offer 18 Feb 11 - 06:16 AM
Joe Offer 18 Feb 11 - 06:37 AM
Jim Carroll 18 Feb 11 - 07:26 AM
Splott Man 18 Feb 11 - 07:28 AM
MGM·Lion 18 Feb 11 - 07:56 AM
MartinRyan 18 Feb 11 - 10:22 AM
Joe Offer 16 Feb 17 - 01:16 AM
Joe Offer 16 Feb 17 - 01:56 AM
Steve Parkes 16 Feb 17 - 04:08 PM
Joe Offer 16 Feb 17 - 04:23 PM
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Subject: Tune Req: Here's to you Tom Brown
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 06:04 AM

Quick question - can anyone point me to a sound file for this (aka The Card Song?). The DT MIDI appears to be dead.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Here's to you Tom Brown
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 06:16 AM

Hmmm. It doesn't work at Yet Another Digital Tradition, either - but you'll find notation there.

Reinhard has a nice page on the song here (click) - but alas, no MIDI.

Well, come to think of it, the MIDI in the DT does work - it's just a bit slow on the tempo. Click here.

-Joe-

And, for the sake of further discussion, here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry on this song:

    King Takes the Queen, The

    DESCRIPTION: "The King will take the Queen, But the Queen will take the knave, And since we're in good company, More liquor let us have. Here's to you, Tom Brown, and to you me jolly soul." As cards take cards, so each reminds the singer of a happy life
    AUTHOR: unknown
    EARLIEST DATE: before 1839 (broadside, Bodleian Firth b.25(96))
    KEYWORDS: drink cards nonballad game
    FOUND IN: Britain(England(North,South),Scotland(Aber)) Ireland
    REFERENCES (5 citations):
    Kennedy 283, "Tam Broon" (1 text, 1 tune)
    GreigDuncan3 571, "Tam Broon" (1 text, 1 tune)
    Kidson-Tunes, pp. 159-160, "The Card Song" (1 text, 1 tune)
    Tunney-StoneFiddle, pp. 64-66, "Tam Brown" (1 text)
    Silber-FSWB, p. 232, "Tom Brown" (1 text)

    Roud #884
    BROADSIDES:
    Bodleian, Firth b.25(96), "Tom Brown" ("The deuce take the cards, for they give me the gripes"), J. Catnach (London), 1813-1838
    LOCSinging, sb40522a, "Tom Brown" ("The King will take the Queen"), H. De Marsan (New York), 1859-1860

    ALTERNATE TITLES:
    With All My Heart
    The Card Song
    The Cards
    The Two Beats the One
    NOTES: Tunney-StoneFiddle has the song in a Mummers' Play.
    Broadside LOCSinging sb40522a: H. De Marsan dating per Studying Nineteenth-Century Popular Song by Paul Charosh in American Music, Winter 1997, Vol 15.4, Table 1, available at FindArticles site. - BS
    Last updated in version 3.0
    File: FSWB232

    Go to the Ballad Search form
    Go to the Ballad Index Song List

    Go to the Ballad Index Instructions
    Go to the Ballad Index Bibliography or Discography

    The Ballad Index Copyright 2016 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.

    Here are the lyrics we have in the Digital Tradition:

    THE CARD SONG

    Ah the king will take the queen but the queen will take the knave
    Well since we're all together boys more liquor shall we have.

    Here's to you Tom Brown
    Here's to you with all me heart
    At least we'll have another glass
    Before we have to part
    Here's to you Tom Brown

    Well the queen will take the knave but the knave will take the ten
    Well since we're all together boys we'll deal them out again.

    Well the knave will take the ten but the ten will take the nine
    Well since we're all together boys and having a jovial time.

    Well the ten will take the nine but the nine will take the eight
    Well since we're all together boys let's make this a regular date.
    Well the nine will take the eight but the eight will take the seven
    Well here we are together boys and it sure feels like heaven.

    Well the eight will take the seven but the seven will take the six
    Well here we are together boys and up to our old tricks.

    Well the seven will take the six but the six will take the five
    We'll never stop our drinking boys as long as we're alive.

    Well the six will take the five but the five will take the four
    As long as we are drinking boys we'll never pass the door.

    Well the five will take the four but the four will take the trey
    We'll never stop our drinking boys until the break of day.

    Well the four will take the trey but the trey will take the deuce
    We'll never stop our drinking boys while we are on the loose.

    Well the three will take the deuce but the ace will take them all
    And since we're here together boys let's not go home at all.
    The ace will take them all the ace will take the king
    And now we're all together, boys we've just begun to sing.

    Recorded by Fairport Convention on The Five Seasons
    @drink
    filename[ CARDSONG
    TUNE FILE: CARDSONG
    CLICK TO PLAY
    BR



    Be sure to take a look at the information that Reinhard has collected at https://mainlynorfolk.info/lloyd/songs/cardplayingsong.html


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Subject: ADD Version: Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 06:37 AM

Oh, and here's a version from the American Memory Collection:

Tom Brown. Celebrated parting song. H. De Marsan, Publisher, 38 Chatham Street, N. Y. [n. d.]

IMPRINT
New York, New York: H. De Marsan

RELATED NAME(S)
Publisher: H. De Marsan

SHELF LOCATION
American Songs and Ballads, Series 4, Volume 4

LYRICS
TOM BROWN.

CELEBRATED PARTING SONG.

The King will take the Queen,
And the Queen will take the Jack;
And now as we're together here,
We'll ne'er a one go back:
Here's to you, Tom Brown,
And with you I'll drink a quart;
Here's to you with all my heart,
And with you I'll spend a shilling or two,
And thus before we part,
Here's to you, Tom Brown.

Repeat.

The Jack will take the Ten,
And the Ten will take the Nine;
And now that we're together here,
We'll take a glass of wine.
Here's to you, Tom Brown, &c.

The Nine will take the Eight,
And the Eight will take the Seven;
And now that we're together here,
We'll stay 'till after eleven.
Here's to you, Tom Brown, &c.

The Seven will take the Six,
And the Six will take the Five;
And now that we're together here,
We'll drink while we're alive.
Here's to you, Tom Brown, &c.

The Five will take the Four,
And the Four will take the Trè; (three)
And now that we're together here,
We'll stay 'till the break of day.
Here's to you, Tom Brown, &c.

The Trè will take the Deux, (two)
And the Deux won't take the One;
And now that we're together here,
We'll quit vhere we've begun.
Here's! to you, Tom Brown, &c.

H. DE MARSAN, Successor to J. ANDREWS, Publisher, dealer in songs and Toy-Books, Paper Dolls &c., 38 Chatham Street, N. Y.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 07:26 AM

MacColl used the tune of Card Song for 'Let The Cage Go Down' on the Big Hewer Radio Ballad
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: Splott Man
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 07:28 AM

Eliza Carthy recorded it on her album Rough Music if that's any help.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 07:56 AM

Interesting that US version has 'Jack' where UK one has 'Knave': cf the snobbish Estella in Dickens' Great Expectations, ch 8: "He calls the knaves, Jacks', this boy! ... and what coarse hands he has! and what thick boots!" Obviously a longstanding, tho now probably defunct, U/non-U distinction. Oddly, I was brought up to say 'knaves', and so still do, by my maternal grandmother, who taught me many card games in childhood, and who, as the wife of a Hoxton grocer in a small way of business, had a cockney accent and was not at all posh. She was also illiterate, but one of the wisest people I have ever known.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 10:22 AM

OK - job done. Thanks to all for for all the help. Ewan McColl's version is available online HERE.

Regards


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Subject: ADD Version: Here's To You, My Jovial Friends
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 01:16 AM

A friend of mine sent me these lyrics. Anybody know of a version like this?

Here's to You, My Jovial Friends

Verse 1: Oh, the king will take the queen and the queen will take the jack,
And now we're in your company we'll drink to all the pack.

Chorus:
Here's to you, my jovial friends.
Here's to you with all my heart,
And now we're in your company,
We'll drink before we part
Here's to you, my jovial friends.

Verse 2: Oh the ten will take the nine and the nine will take the eight,
And now we're in your company, we won't go home 'til late.

Chorus:

Verse 3: Oh the seven will take the six and the five will take the four,
And now we're in your company we'll have a bottle more.

Chorus:

Verse 4: Oh the three will take the two, but the ace will take them all,
And now we're in your company, we won't go home at all.

Chorus:


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Subject: ADD Version: Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 01:56 AM

TOM BROWN
(as recorded by Eliza Carthy)

Well the king will take the queen and the queen will take the knave
And since we're in good company more liquor let us have

Here's to you Tom Brown
And to you with all my soul
And to you with all my heart
And with you I'll take a quart
With you I'll drink a drop or two
Before that we do part, here's to you Tom Brown
Here's to you Tom Brown

Well the knave will take the ten and the ten will take the nine
And since we're in good company now let us have more wine

Here's to you Tom Brown
And to you with all my soul
And to you with all my heart
And with you I'll take a quart
With you I'll drink a drop or two
Before that we do part, here's to you Tom Brown
Here's to you Tom Brown

Now the nine will take the eight and the eight will take the seven
And since we're in good company we'll drink till past eleven

Here's to you Tom Brown
And to you with all my soul
And to you with all my heart
And with you I'll take a quart
With you I'll drink a drop or two
Before that we do part, here's to you Tom Brown
Here's to you Tom Brown

Well the seven will take the six and the six will take the five

And since we're in good company as sure as I'm alive

Here's to you Tom Brown
And to you with all my soul
And to you with all my heart
And with you I'll take a quart
With you I'll drink a drop or two
Before that we do part, here's to you Tom Brown
Here's to you Tom Brown

Well the five will take the four but the four will take the three
And since we're in good company you'll sit beside of me

Here's to you Tom Brown
And to you with all my soul
And to you with all my heart
And with you I'll take a quart
With you I'll drink a drop or two
Before that we do part, here's to you Tom Brown
Here's to you Tom Brown

Now the three will take the two but the ace will take them all

And since we're in good company we won't go home at all

Here's to you Tom Brown
And to you with all my soul
And to you with all my heart
And with you I'll take a quart
With you I'll drink a drop or two
Before that we do part, here's to you Tom Brown
Here's to you Tom Brown

Source: https://genius.com/Eliza-carthy-tom-brown-lyrics (corrected by Joe Offer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etgDzk5XOvg


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Subject: RE: Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 04:08 PM

Ah, that's the version I know, Joe. I dn't where the man I learned it from got it; probably the same source as EC.


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Subject: RE: Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 04:23 PM

Hi, Steve - that's the version I know, too. Seems to me, though, that I've heard a "here's to you, my (jolly?) friends" version, too.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins/Tune: Here's to you Tom Brown (Card Song)
From: Reinhard
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:42 PM

Eliza Carthy learned her version from Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger.


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