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RTim 19 Feb 11 - 07:11 PM
Hawker 19 Feb 11 - 08:29 PM
Desert Dancer 19 Feb 11 - 08:33 PM
Marje 20 Feb 11 - 06:07 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 20 Feb 11 - 06:34 AM
GUEST 20 Feb 11 - 08:41 PM
GUEST,Ralphie 21 Feb 11 - 04:52 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 21 Feb 11 - 05:23 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 21 Feb 11 - 05:58 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 21 Feb 11 - 06:21 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 21 Feb 11 - 09:09 AM
Tug the Cox 21 Feb 11 - 09:20 AM
GUEST 21 Feb 11 - 10:23 AM
GUEST,Ralphie 21 Feb 11 - 10:55 AM
Folkiedave 22 Feb 11 - 06:28 PM
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GUEST,Psychomorris 28 Feb 11 - 05:05 AM
Folkiedave 28 Feb 11 - 05:16 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 28 Feb 11 - 05:31 AM
GUEST,folkiedave 28 Feb 11 - 06:53 AM
Marje 28 Feb 11 - 07:17 AM
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Subject: Devon Folk
From: RTim
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 07:11 PM

Is no one promoting this?

Tim Radford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12515608


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 08:29 PM

Budefolk passed a hat round at the folk club /sat Sunday and The Barrel Rock Boys shanty crew took it to the studio and sang live on air, there have been lots of people busking etc. Thy raised over 15,000 pounds over the 24 hour marathon! Well done all


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 08:33 PM

Apparently it's one part of weekend events that are also raising money for Sidmouth FolkWeek.

~ Becky in Tucson
(with Devon antecedents)


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Marje
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 06:07 AM

This event provides convenient cover for the shameful fact that BBC Devon has just axed its weekly folk programme. Richard Digance's Devon Folk had its last edition last Sunday and is being replaced by a "Vintage Top 40 Show".

I never liked Digance and thought he was the wrong person for the job (nothing like as good as Jim Causley who preceded him), so although I intend to protest to the BBC, I'd like to see the show back with a different presenter.

Anyone out there know why the BBC haven't found a replacement for Richard Digance? Have they even tried, or don't they want to promote folk any more?

Marje


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 06:34 AM

I tried my best, Tim...but very few people seemed interested..

The BBC Radio Devon Folk Relief thread

Marje, I had no idea Richard Digence programme last week was the last ever..!   I missed it, sadly...I'll try and see if I can listen to it via their listen again button...I liked him, thought he was very good, but I liked Jim just a tad better..

I need to get an email off to the BBC about this...HOW could they do this when folk music's becoming so popular???? But then, it's the BBC at the end of the day, and they really don't give tuppence about what their listeners think or feel...


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 08:41 PM

I was at the BBC yesterday and the lady there told me it would be back, it was just taking a break!


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:52 AM

I don't believe it will be back. All specialist music programming across local radio has either already gone, or surviving by the skin of it's teeth. The Midlands has lost all it's specialist music programming, being replaced by an "Oldies" show. BBC London has lost it's well admired programme "A World in London" I'm just amazed that Genevieve Tudor has survived. They probably just haven't noticed her yet! There still a few great internet shows, Dave Eyre etc, but you can't really listen in the car can you!
So, it's Mike Harding or your CD collection. Welcome to the future.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 05:23 AM

"So, it's Mike Harding or your CD collection. Welcome to the future."


Well, where were you all when I tried so hard to get Folkwaves more and more recognition on the BBC board???? Where were you all when I tried to do the same thing for Genevieve's programme too, and Radio Britfolk?

If those who were so intent on silencing me had used their boundless, endless energies to stand beside me, who knows where the Radio Folk scene would be now?


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 05:58 AM

Lizzie
The Facebook group has got over 2100 members. Demos have taken place at various Radio stations, the Folk awards, etc. Letters have been written right up to the DG level. Multiple complaints to the BBC trust, even 10 minutes on R4 Feedback, that had the station manager squirming. Any success? Nope.
But by God we are trying.
There are various soundclips on the Facebook group page, including highlights of the last Folkwaves show, with 50 people outside freezing their balls off.
Might be good for you to go and have a listen?
And you ask us what we are doing? A hell of a lot, actually.
But, we are doing it in a considered and professional way, using qualified lawyers etc to trawl through the BBC trust agreement, line by line.
Ranting won't help, in fact it's counter-productive.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 06:21 AM

I'm not ranting, I'm just saying you're doing it too late, sadly....

I hope you manage to change things.

We can't change the past though, just learn from it..


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 09:09 AM

You can't complain about a programme being axed until it is.
And now that it (and others) have been. We are.....
But, the BBC's agenda is different from ours, and we are very small fish in a very big sea. (and most BBC managers won't know what we are talking about anyway, they're too busy protecting their jobs) Won't stop us trying though.
You have to remember, I know these people and the way they think.
Have just listened to the psychic poodles again from last week...Good grief....


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 09:20 AM

The weekend was a great success, events all over the county, collections etc. In an Exmouth pub last night there was a five act folk relief night, and one punter alone put in £500. The air ambulance is a much loved charity. Collections were also taken at the reunion events in Sidmouth.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:23 AM

At the same time, though, the Johnny Coppin show is no longer just confined to BBC Radio Gloucestershire, as it's now also broadcast on Radio Bristol (who never had a folk show in recent memory) and Somerset Sound (Sundays 1pm). I think it may also be on Radio Wiltshire too. Predictably, however, it is now labelled as "music from off the beaten track" rather than "the Folk-Roots Show", and is likely to begin with a KT Tunstall record (excellent in itself) to retain the previous audience ! Still lots of good stuff, though.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:55 AM

I wish it and Johnny Coppin luck...And it's the BBC Mafias first move to network a show across several stations as a cost cutting excercise...Then they cut the show....a few months later. Exactly what has happened in the East Midlands.
Will go and search it out though. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:28 PM

To begin with a KT Tunstall record to retain the audience is normal thinking. Within the next two records you need to have something "hard-core" folkie to then retain the folk listeners. I am lucky because I foolow a World Music show - easy for me.

I use "Music For a Found Harmonium" as a signature tune because it actually covers both camps. Non-folkies often recognise it, and it does get played a lot in sessions too, so folkies know it as well. (Sharon Shannon's is the best version IMHO) (It's main problem is it seems to be going nowhere except endless repeats - she avoids this with some belting variations).

This does seem an unusual move to expand to other areas, in that it seems "folk replaces......." something or other - for sure it is usually the other way around Alistair Anderson's programme was an amalgamation of at least one other in Middlesborough. And Henry Ayrton had Sheffield (which once had its own folk programme produced by John Leonard!!)


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:30 PM

I meant to say I wonder if Richard has found the commitment of the programme and performing too much. I know I would.

Perhaps Lizzie Cornish would like to apply for the job. Happy to help if she does, I reckon between us me and Ralphie could help her make a real good show!


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,Psychomorris
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:05 AM

Just to let all know that the Middle Bar singers at the Anchor collected monies for the Devon Air Ambulance service as well as for Sidmouth Folk week.The news article was incorrect. Sue White also collected for Devon Air Ambulance on the Sunday morning whilst providing an opportunity for people to try out morris dancing on Sidmouth Sea front. Thankyou all who contributed .


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:16 AM

I had the following reply from the Editor of Radio Devon:

"Thanks for your email about the Devon Folk programme. BBC Radio Devon has now run two series of Devon Folk, the first was presented by Jim Causley and the most recent by Richard Digence. Although the second series has come to the end of its scheduled run, the programme will return with another series in the future. In the mean time, last week we broadcast Folk Relief, a 24 hour folk music marathon for charity. And at Easter we have a Devon Folk special.

Please do feel free to contact me direct if you have any further questions about our programmes or presenters".

My emphasis.

I suggest local people do their best to keep him to that


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:31 AM

"Perhaps Lizzie Cornish would like to apply for the job. Happy to help if she does, I reckon between us me and Ralphie could help her make a real good show!"

I'm up for it, although letting me loose and trying to keep my brain tied down to minutes and seconds may be more than a bit tricky...

I've phoned Radio Devon a few times, usually end up in tears because I get so bloody angry about the things I'm phoning up about...I have the radio tuned in to Radio Devon from the moment I get up and make myself a cup of tea in the mornings, it's on in the kitchen all day long when I'm home...

Yesterday I caught some of the new Top 40 show, which of course, despite being new is....old.....

Meanwhile, all the NEW music made by such talented folks goes unplayed now......

Their Folk Relief 24 hours was superb, brought up some great musicians and really demonstrated what talent there is out there in the folk world..

Of course, the Folk Relief programme idea should be taken to mainstream BBC Radio during the DAY and ALL local stations around the country...because a whole audience out there would be stunned at some of the things they'd hear...


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 06:53 AM

Right Lizzie,

This is what you need. For a "traditionally" based show - i.e little or no blues or world music.

A two hour show needs approximately 24 tracks. You need them around 3.30 seconds. Longer ones need to be balanced with shorter ones. A mixture of solos, duos, and different sorts of bands. Accompanied and unaccompanied. Choose revival and traditional, some comedy and some more modern stuff and stuff in between. Mixture of tunes and songs.

Then you need to balance that together.

Then you need to see if you can do it every week for a year.

Don't rely on the BBC Radio Devon library having sufficient material - they probably don't.

So have a look at your record collection and see how you would put a show together. Come back on here with a suggested programme - and I am sure Ralphie and I could help once you have done that. Don't start worrying about minutes and seconds yet.

Just post a list of suggested tracks in the order in which you would play them for - well let's say the next four weeks.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Marje
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 07:17 AM

It's not just about a succession of recorded tracks, though is it? The now-defunct show (which, by the way, they say they intend to reinstate at some point)included extended studio interviews with singers and musicians, so it wasn't wall-to-wall music.

A local folk programme could also include listings of key local events, such as bands touring the area, special promotions and concerts, and releases of new CDs by local artists. I'm sure Radio Devon already get a constant supply of promotional CDs by West Country and visiting performers, and would have plenty to choose from.

They could also have a slot listing important club and session events such as closures of existing ones and setting-up of new ones, as well as special events at local clubs (one-off or seasonal events, important guest nights, etc).

Morris and similar dance events, wassails, folk choirs and orchestras, ceilidhs, shanty events, local folk days, teaching workshops and festivals could all be promoted, and in most cases the oprganisers of these would probably be happy to suggest or provide a few appropriate tracks. They could have a whole programme (or several!) from Sidmouth, with a selection of music from people performing there.

They could invite contributions from different areas of the county to describe and illustrate what's going on in their area. They could ask the Wren Trust to provide details of their community-based folk activities.

Folk/trad music is not just another form of music to listen to, there's a lot more to it than that. Its participatory nature and they way it is rooted in local communities mean that there would be a lot of talent and goodwill available to assist in making regular programmes. It just takes a bit of imagination and local knowledge.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 08:40 AM

Excellent post, Marje.

I'd have no problem playing Blues and World Music alongside English folk music...but then I'd also want to play political music too, talk about what's happening, the Power of Music. I'd play Seth alongside The Watersons...(where IS that wonderful video of Norma singing 'Black Muddy River' btw? Seems to have gone from Youtube) I'd have Coope Boyes & Simpson playing on or before Peter Gabriel too...I'm listening to 'Biko' as I write this, brilliant folk music!

Of course, the BBC would bleep most of what I have to say...out...so as not to offend anyone, nor risk any legal action...because we've turned into a nation of willynillys who can't say what we think or feel any longer...

I'd get The Shropshire Bedlams in...LIVE! Swwoooooooooon! AND...those Gorgeous Oytsters..who'd leave me tongue-tied and silent for a while...and I could take Steve and Phil to task, explain to them about fRoots and Madame Intelligensia...

Oh BOY! I'm really warming to this!! ;0)

I have a photo on my FB page, taken on Babbacombe Downs on Christmas Day..and one of my friends has called it 'The Woman They Couldn't Hang'....LOL I like that...it'd be a great name for a folk show!

Ah, Babbacombe Lee....I could tell his tale, and Kitty Jay's too...and get those Corporate Bastards with 'Arrogance Ignorance & Greed'...get EVERYONE singing the words, have a phone in about it...


Today...Radio Devon....
Tomorrow...The WORLD!!

;0)


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 12:02 PM

Marje - I have a radio show each Friday that does exactly as you say.

You can find it here with playlists going back to last October. (For various reasons there are some missing - sorry!!

Why not take a look and a listen? The recent podcasts are still available.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 12:07 PM

So just so I understand it - a perfectly sensible and helpful suggestion to help you get the music you purport to love out there to reach hundreds - even thousands of people is turned down in favour of you talking total bollocks.

Thanks Lizzie.

There are those who do and those who talk bollocks. Now we know which category you fall into for absolute certainty.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 01:06 PM

You know Lizzie this is the second time now I think about it.

I remember offering to use my experience in helping you organise a folk festival so you could promote all those artists you said were not getting proper coverage by established folk festivals.

Whatever happened to the Torquay Folk Festival?


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 01:13 PM

Do you mind! The Oysterband aren't bollocks! Yeesh!

You're just jealous, that's fer sure.....

Do you allow giggling on your show? Sounds like it'd be awful serious to me...That's what's stopped folk music exploding like fireworks all over this country, is the seriousness...

I'm listening to Stuart Pendell at the moment...'Saying Goodbye To The Sea'...excellent, really enjoying his music. I'll have him on as well...

IF I had a radio programme it'd be filled with fun, and the serious folks would have to go sit in the toilets and do their interviews from there, with just boiled water and a ship's biscuit (turnip flavoured) to munch on...whilst all the guys and gals who wanted to have fun would be in the studio, whooping it up with their music...knocking back the Cornish Mead and yummy cakes, singing their songs out to their heart's content!

I'll have that Barry Lister in the studio, 'cos he can Giggle for England..and he can sing a song to Knock Yer Knickers off too!

Stuart Pendrill - Saying Goodbye To The Sea

Oh BOY! LOOK!

Barry..and the rest of The Claque - Every Trueborn Englishman

Sean O'Shea's on there too!   

Now I'm right back in the first ever Sidmouth Folk Week (the BEST one that was, too)...when Barry, Sean and Tom had a special singsong for me and my then husband, peter, in one of the rooms in The Bedford Hotel, when I was moved to tears listening to the beauty of these men's wonderful voices!

Oh yes, they'd get the biggest slice of cake going!   :0)


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 01:15 PM

Torquay's not the folk festival kind of place....trust me.   More er...RAP, very loud, very 'orrible...

They'd string most folk musicians up round 'ere....

Stop getting your turnips in such a twaddle, Dave....I'll send you a Sense of Humour over in a paper bag, like the one Eric Morecambe used to catch that flea in....A special Giggle Bag...


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 01:34 PM

That link to Stuart's song, above, 'Saying Goodbye to the Sea' is a really good song...about a fisherman fed up with what's happening out there on the ocean, where everything is now becoming so controlled...See? I could weave a whole programme around that, but I wouldn't be allowed to, because it would be political and the BBC would upset Brussels..!

Someone has to!


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 02:03 PM

Perhaps Lizzie Cornish would like to apply for the job.........I'm up for it

What you really mean Lizzie is that acting like a scattered brained idiot on a message board is far more important to you than trying to get the music you purport to love out there.

Well, at least we know where we stand.

As for Torquay not being suitable for a folk festival - anywhere is suitable for one. But of course to get one organised takes effort and hard work. Clearly not something you can be bothered with when it comes to the music. Much easier to post on here.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Marje
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 02:58 PM

Teignmouth, only a few miles from Torquay, has a folk weekend every June.
Thanks for the reminder, Folkie Dave, I had previously put a trace on that thread but I will remind myself to have a listen to some of your shows soon. Nice to know it can be done and is being done in other areas.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 03:04 PM

Johnnie Adams on Phoenix radio, Ali O'Brien on Oldham Community Radio, and Chris Sweeney+others on Hermitage, Tim Moon on Bradford Community Radio are ones that spring to mind immediately.

Mr. Red has a cajun programme on Stroud Radio. It does happen and thanks for your interest! And I do requests!


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 03:12 PM

No, Dave...I'm not staying in Torquay...I've told you that several times before...as soon as I sell my house, I'm outta here, so you'll have to start the folk festival up if you want one here...and I ain't ever coming back here either. Teignmouth is a different world compared to this place.

As I was told in Totnes the other day, by a musician and a restauranter, when asked where I lived..."Torquay is a shithole'. Quite.

Get off your high horse, Dave..and please, let's NOT go back to the old days, eh? You don't go a bundle on me, fair enough, but don't get so personal...there's a good lad.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 04:12 PM

Torquay is a funny sort of place. When I lived with parents in the 60's it was our regular place for a day out. I always liked it. Certainly is a very beautiful town and bay.

It was during the 70's that young policeman got shot there I think, and rumours about gangsters and casinos started circulating.

I'm really sorry its got worse. I always loved that town. I remember seeing plays and variety shows at The Palace Theatre. There used to be a MOR folk group called Faraway Folk that had a residency at The Spanish Barn and gave great beach parties after their gig on FridaY nights.

The Devon folkscene was pretty excruciating in those days. I probably went to the worst singaround in my life at Newton Abbot. Around that time I did gigs all over the place. Exeter, Bovey Tracy, plymouth, Liskeard some folk clubs but mainly country music gigs.

Anyway I hope you have better luck with your next place, Lizzie. Dorset is quite fun - sadly The Yetties are retiring and I'll miss them


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 04:15 PM

Let's just get it right, Lizzie, so that other people who read this understand it clearly. I don't want to run a folk festival anywhere, and I already have a radio show.

In your post of: Subject: RE: Devon Folk From: Lizzie Cornish 1 - PM
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:31 AM you said you were up for doing a radio show (and not for the first time as it happens).

I offer you the benefit of my experience and that of someone who has worked for the BBC for a long time to help you do this.

You go all stupid and then when you get questioned on this, claim I have lost my sense of humour. It has nothing to do with any like or dislike of you - only what you write.

Do the rest of us a favour Lizzie and treat the subject of this music seriously or not at all. There are enough people taking the piss out of the music without we do it ourselves.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 04:47 PM

Incidentally Lizzie when I was trying to sort out Radio Devon I tuned in and there was a bloke on there from America talking about Totnes. He seemed to be a musician too. Was it the same bloke you were talking to?


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:38 PM

No, I was talking to the son of one of the Gypsy Kings, actually.

Look mate, I'm sorry, but I'm fair sick to death of your nasty behaviour in this thread. You may take this music 'seriously' but I love it in a very different way. I also have a very good sense of humour which bubbles out into all sorts of stories and images..which you may not find funny, but hey, you don't have to read my posts at all do you.

YOU are the one who suggested the radio programme, above, not me. So where all this vitriol is coming from I've no idea.

I've also had a message from your buddy, 'ruth archer'... a PM, and as most people in here know that I put rude and abusive PMs on the board, and that Joe Offer has my full permission to read ANY PMs that people send to me, or I send to others, at all times, I'm putting her message on here for others to read.....as I've said nowt about Sidmouth in this thread at all, other than recalling a wonderful evening I had at the first ever Sidmouth Folk Week, back in 2005, which I consider to have been the BEST Sidmouth Folk Week I've so far attended, because.....because it was a folk festival that was NOT supposed to happen, but it did, against ALL odds, and it was very special....


From Ruth Archer (Joan Crump of Sidmouth Folk Festival)..a PM to me a short while ago, I presume because of me daring to say the above...

>>>"if you don't want people to get personal, and if you don't want me to
keep complaining to the mods about your constant poking and having your
posts removed, stop taking sidewipes at both me and Sidmouth. Neither me
nor the festival is anything to do with you and I am fed up of being
endlessly hounded by you. For god's sake, woman. Take your crazed
vendetta elsewhere."<<<<<


I have nothing further to say to either of you, other than please take your radio programme and your folk week and shove them both where the turnips usually go.

Thank you.


And yes, Joe, I realise I'll probably get locked out of Mudcat again for a while, nay for Infinity and Beyond, but really, WTF do these people think they are?????


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:42 PM

you can tell them what else I said too, Lizzie:


Stop mentioning me, making sidelong references to me, making
disparaging references to Sidmouth festival. What Dave has said to you
is nothing to to with me. Stop bullying and harassing me. Full stop.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:47 PM

OK, if you're playing Silly Buggers...and it looks like you are...I'll save you the trouble of putting my reply on...


My reply to your PM:


>>"Look, whether you like it or not, I was at the first ever Sidmouth Folk Week, that evening I spoke of happened, and it was sensational. I am perfectly at liberty to talk about Sidmouth Folk Week, my memories of the ones I attended, whenever, and wherever I so choose. That post was *not* aimed at you, it was about Barry Lister and his friends. I'd just found their video on Youtube and was bowled over by it, and the memories of that night flooded back.

If that upsets you, that is not my fault. It is not I who has the problem, nor who does the bullying here.

Thank you. "<<<<


Joe, can this thread be closed, please, otherwise this is going to go on and on with these two.

I have nothing more to say to either of them...I really don't.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 05:56 PM

Please just leave me alone, and do not refer to me again. I am sorry that your life is obviously so unhappy, but it is neither my problem nor my fault. You are clearly sick, and I sincerely hope you get the help you obviously need.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Feb 11 - 07:09 PM

Compare and contrast:

So when you said:

I'm up for it, although letting me loose and trying to keep my brain tied down to minutes and seconds may be more than a bit tricky...

You weren't really saying you were up for presenting a radio show. That's a shame I wouldn't offered to help if I had known it wasn't true.

I thought you were interested in the music. Yes - you love it in a different way. Those reading your post of how you would run the radio show you now say you don't want to do can judge your attitude from that.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: GUEST,Bill Rutter's Ghost
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 05:10 AM

I was at the first ever Sidmouth Folk Week

Really? What was Derek Schofield's book "Sidmouth - The First 50 Years" published in 2004 all about then?


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 08:39 AM

Do you know, you guys drive me bats...!   I wasn't going to come back in here, but just to straighten a few things out...

Dave, get real. Do you truly think that BBC Radio Devon would put a folk programme into the hands of someone who doesn't know how to present a radio show, and who's been banned from the BBC for daring to talk publicly about political and social issues all the time, and the connection to those issues via folk music??????

I know this doesn't help in the er....'campaign' to put me in a light ***so bad*** that even the cockroaches wouldn't want to befriend me, but
heyho, there ya go.

Of course, should they ever decide to contact me, then I'll give it a go, as I've said, but to my way of doing things, not their 'zip your mouth' one. There are so many songs in the folk world that speak even louder today in this crappy situation that's going down around the world, and believe you me, I'd be wanting to talk out about those songs, along with traditional ones too.

Also, I'm also not interested in doing the 'homework' you've set me above, but thanks for the thought. I realise you're a teacher, and therefore it's kinda hard to let go of wanting to control the students and make them do things your way, but I have always, and will always, do things my own way.

To the Spirit who's just arrived in this thread, sighhhhhh..you know full well I was talking about the Folk Week that started up in 2005 and continues to the present day. That was, for me, the best Sidmouth Folk Week of them all, even outstripping the Sidmouth International Folk Festival as used to be....before that, I was a mere twinkle in a folk song and knew nowt about Sidmouth....Thank ye kindly and happy haunting...

I haven't read 'ruth archer's post above, nor do I intend to, so I won't comment on it at all, whatever it may say.



OK, how about returning this thread to it's original subject, which was the Folk Relief 24 hour marathon, run by the team on BBC Radio Devon to raise money for a new Devon Air Ambulance....You'll find the links to the page about it in one of my first posts in this thread, I think...along with a link to the original thread I started about the Folk Relief show...


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 11:47 AM

I am glad you want to straighten things out Lizzie.

None of the people I know who present folk radio shows or have done so in the past, had experience of radio presentation. This would include BBC Radio Sheffield, BBC Radio Derby, BBC Radio Newcastle, etc from the BBC and Metro Radio, and Radio Hallam from the commercial sector. And virtually all the presenters on community radio. I applied on Monday and started work on Friday.

Whilst Jim Causley had experience in other fields, as far as I am aware he sent in an audition tape and got the job from there. Much as I suggested you should do.

The reason broadcasters do that is because it is easier to get hold of someone with enthusiasm and knowledge and teach them to broadcast than the other way around. So given a properly researched and produced programme as an audition tape, you would have stood a good chance. Remarkably you probably still do - though getting Shropshire Bedlams into the studio to morris dance might not be regarded as your best idea.

You were banned from the BBC message board - not the BBC, indeed I seem to remember you were on one of their programmes recently talking about your mother-in-law and her bathing problems. And since you tell us (incorrectly) that you are banned from the BBC why do you telephone and email them as you have told us you do in this thread. So as usual - it is round spherical objects.

You were banned from the BBC message board for harassing other board members and BBC staff and obsessive spammy postings about your favourite artists. So stop trying to reinvent yourself as some sort of social crusader that the BBC was determined to silence, rather than the hysterical, obsessive nuisance that you are.

I am not a teacher though I was once a lecturer. You know nothing about the way I used to teach - suffice it to say the mature students on access courses that I spent most of my time with kept me on my toes. I lasted twenty years at that. Most of them - and many with dyslexia like you - went on to achieve degrees - and one is now a university lecturer. Not bad for a former crane driver in a steel works I would think.

The "homework" as you refer to it was a genuine offer to help you put together a radio programme. Anyone reading the post can see that. Had you decided to try and do that you may or may not have achieved the objective you supposedly care about - getting this music out to a wider audience so that artists can be heard by more people.

You are perfectly entitled to do things your way - but it is clear from all your other posts that it achieves nothing - indeed I seem to remember a number of artists telling you to button it.

Believe it or not I and others love this music as much as you do and are determined that we help it reach as wide an audience as possible.

We'll carry on. What a pity you can't be bothered to put some work into it like everyone else does.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 12:12 PM

Nah, Dave...I sent them an email....

As I said, if they want me to do it, I'll do it, but only on my terms....

Keep flying the 'Let's Hang Her High!' flag though, but remember, I now live just down the road from Babbacombe, under John Lee's protection.....


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 12:18 PM

"....though getting Shropshire Bedlams into the studio to morris dance might not be regarded as your best idea..."

You kiddin' me?   WHO said anything about them dancing?! Heck, I was just plannin' to sit there...swooning, whilst muttering, albeit somewhat uncontolled and incoherently about their Maiden's Prayer dance!

Quick, Nurse, the screens!!!


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 12:59 PM

Clearly a woman not to be taken seriously. By anyone. Especially the BBC.

Easy to see why you were banned now.


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Subject: RE: Devon Folk
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 01:03 PM

Really Good Idea Number One:

Why don't you stop boring the pants off everyone on here with your personal problems about me, as ever.

You wanna talk about The Devon Air Ambulance? Then please, do so....

You wanna put down lies and total crap about me, then put it in a PM. I won't read it, but at least you'll get it off your chest.

Thanks.


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