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Movie 'Jig'

Chanteyranger 21 Feb 11 - 10:59 PM
ChanteyLass 21 Feb 11 - 11:13 PM
Chanteyranger 21 Feb 11 - 11:22 PM
michaelr 22 Feb 11 - 04:12 PM
GUEST,donna 03 Mar 11 - 05:25 PM
GUEST,leeneia 03 Mar 11 - 05:57 PM
michaelr 03 Mar 11 - 06:33 PM
GUEST,leeneia 03 Mar 11 - 11:03 PM
GUEST,Irish Dancer 13 Apr 11 - 06:11 AM
GUEST,another irish dancer 12 May 11 - 01:43 PM
GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) 13 May 11 - 04:28 AM
jonm 13 May 11 - 06:30 AM
death by whisky 13 May 11 - 07:25 AM
GUEST,Desi C 13 May 11 - 07:58 AM
GUEST,leeneia 13 May 11 - 11:50 AM
Sandy Mc Lean 13 May 11 - 12:35 PM
GUEST,999 13 May 11 - 01:31 PM
GUEST,Ellen - dancer and musician 17 May 11 - 06:16 PM
Melissa 17 May 11 - 06:23 PM
Chanteyranger 17 May 11 - 10:48 PM
Seamus Kennedy 18 May 11 - 01:17 AM
GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) 18 May 11 - 06:28 AM
GUEST,An Irish dancer herself 19 Jun 11 - 03:37 AM
GUEST,An Irish dancer herself 19 Jun 11 - 03:41 AM
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Subject: Movie 'Jig'
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 10:59 PM

I just saw a trailer on YouTube for a new movie called "Jig." It's a documentary on the 40th world championship Irish step dancing competition. Doing a net se arch, though, I couldn't find any more information about it - if it will be in theaters, or is it for television, when it will debut, will it be coming to the U.S., etc. Anyone know any details? It's a great trailer, and looks to be a must-see documentary.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:13 PM

That trailer is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ4D2cg48uw, and it looks like something I want to see. I doubt it will be at many theaters but might make it to some art cinemas and possibly PBS at fundraising time! Another possibility might be screenings at Irish cultural societies. I hope it will be available on video. If anyone know more or learns more, I hope that person will post to this thread.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 11:22 PM

There's got to be some cosmic reason why I (Chanteyranger) post to a thread, and the first responder is "ChanteyLass." Thanks for posting the link.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 04:12 PM

I'll give that a good miss.

All that drama and competition can't be good for children... and in the case of Comhaltas Fleadhs, not the music either. I've had the misfortune of playing for dancers, and it's dire. I feel sorry for the kids, and I despise the stupid curly wigs and garish dresses.

Q: What's the difference between a dancer's mother and a pit bull?

A: Lipstick.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,donna
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 05:25 PM

So playing for dancers is "dire", eh? My son is a World Champ, toured with Riverdance, and plays six instruments himself. Not every musician is up to snuff when it comes to playing for dancers. Requires the ability to keep in time, and some find this beyond their ability. The dancing in competitions is certainly as healthy for children as ballet comps, modern dance comps, soccer and hockey plus any other sport or activity that reaches a competitive level. I'm sure your presence in the audence for "Jig" will not be missed.

Love, your Dancer's Mom comment, too. Could the same be said for Musician's Mom?


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 05:57 PM

Michaelr, I agree with you. I have two nieces and a nephew who were involved, and I thought the whole thing was rather neurotic.

When you see an adult snapping at a 7-year-old for not winning a prize, and when you see the child's head hanging in shame over a dance, it tells you something is wrong.

My niece had a friend who was blonde and whose skin was quite white even for a blonde. Turned out she threw up regularly at the competitions. Hello??

And those ridiculous (and ridiculously expensive) dresses! Aargh!


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 06:33 PM

Thank you, Donna, for perfectly illustrating my point.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 11:03 PM

Chanteyranger and Chanteylass, the trailer says that 'Jig' was made by Bankside Films. Maybe you could get info on the film by going to the Bankside Films site,

http://www.bankside-films.com/

They should have the inside story.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,Irish Dancer
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 06:11 AM

Hi there,
I am an irish dancer, and I think its absolutely ridiculous when people say that competition is bad for a child! What kind of whimpy kids are you raising? The only winners in life ar those who have discipline and know how to work hard, which are two very important factors in any type of success (sports, school, careers). Why wouldn't you begin teaching that to a child at a young age? I completely agree with Donna. Just so you know "michaelr", the musicians at our events are very talented, and also lovely people! I understand that some dancers go overboard with fake tanning and over the top wigs, but who cares? To each their own! If you have nothing nice to say about irish dancing, dont say anything at all. It is one of the most technically challenging dances that exists, so until you try it, stuff it!


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,another irish dancer
Date: 12 May 11 - 01:43 PM

Irish dancing is not ridiculous in any way, shape, or form. The problem is not Irish dancing, the problem is the parents. They shouldn't be snapping at 7 year olds for losing. They should encourage their kids to win but they should just do it for fun.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 13 May 11 - 04:28 AM

Irish Dancing isn't perfect and neither is Comhaltas but they're not bad. It's quite correct that many children thrive in competitive competitions and it does their self-discipline and physical fitness no harm at all.

When you see so many kids hanging round the streets or wasting their lives watching TV or playing computer games while stuffing their faces with junk food the value that people from the Irish community attach to both Fleadhanna and Feiseanna starts to make a lot more sense.

This isn't the first time we've seen people on Mudcat slagging off Irish music and Irish dancing competitions. Perhaps someday we'll see someone start a thread condemning spelling bees or the BBC Young Musician Of The Year competition. Or is it easier to slag off those dreadful Paddies and their awful, vulgar wigs and dresses?


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: jonm
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:30 AM

GUEST, Another... has it. It's not the competition, which is healthy for kids. Arguably, the lack of competitive activity during schooling in the UK appears to be contributing to vandalism, social problems and unemployability among teenagers.

It's when parents take it too seriously (displacement for their own ambitions in that respect?). I see it all the time with other parents when my lad competes in athletics, also with my nephew and "tennis mums." I have been at a number of athletics competitions where the child gets berated for lack of technique / training / whatever by a parent weighing about 20 stone, in a tracksuit and trainers, stuffing their face with crisps or chips!


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: death by whisky
Date: 13 May 11 - 07:25 AM

Im for dancing and for competition provided its entered willingly. My objection is the tackiness and fluffiness of the modern costume. The spectacle of the pagaent, I feel,isnt neccessary. Back in the day the dresses were hand embroidered, usually with designs taken from the book of kells. Some mums were known for the quality of thier work and made a few bob doin repairs. Ive played for dancers and when the music and dance combine it is an uplifting experience.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 13 May 11 - 07:58 AM

Well said Guest Donna
I won a gold medal in the Jig category aged 5, mind you the Silver and Bronze went to my Sister and Brother and I'm not sure anyone else entered. This might have been due to my late lamented Grandmother being rather feared in our little town. And Twas she who stood behind the raised podium in our sports field, poking the back of my knees with her stick to keep me in time ;)


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 May 11 - 11:50 AM

I attended a feis once where the judges had such a difficult time judging the regimented dancing that they rated the girls on the spiffiness of their socks.

Hello??


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 13 May 11 - 12:35 PM

I grew up in a culture where stepdancing was done for the pleasure of the performer and those watching or joining in. The concept of competition was absent and deciding who was best at it was more subjective. The same can be said of the fiddle music to which they danced. Is Riverdance and its clones really maintaining and expressing the true folk roots of a fantastic culture? Perhaps not!


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 May 11 - 01:31 PM

The movie is downloadable through

movieberry.com

It was released January 1, 2011.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,Ellen - dancer and musician
Date: 17 May 11 - 06:16 PM

I am approaching this from the viewpoint of a musician and a senior dancer. I have danced competitively for the last 10 years. I curl my own hair, my mother has made all my costumes, i do wear fake tan and make up(but I do that on a night out as well). the problem with kids competing in anything - dance, music, sports, art, chess, quizzes scouts, guides, first aid...anything is that the parents or adults can become very competitive in themselves and want their children to be the best. Recently I attended a competition where, because his child came 4th in a very high standard not-a-competition-you-want-to-be-adjudicator-for competition, a father told the mother pf the winner to telll the adjudicator that her child shouldnt have won because she wasnt good enough. People (parents) need to relax and realise that it is about taking part. they have made the competitions that farce that they are today. Every child should be encouraged to take part. I refuse to let the parents of my music students come in to the comps unless the child asks for them. This way they cannot stress the child or panic them before they compete. Parents need to take a back seat and relax....be there to see the look on a childs face if they get something and say you did your best theres always next time if they didnt


A point on something someone said earlier - Comhaltas does not run step dancing competitions and had no involvement in this film. CLRG the Irish dancing commission organised these world championships.

Also many musicians do nhot understand the term "dance speed" and are of the opinion that a dancer should be able to dance at what ever speedd that they play at. I dont know if you are one of these michaelr but if you are it is no wonder that you didt enjoy your day as a Comhaltas dancing musician


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: Melissa
Date: 17 May 11 - 06:23 PM


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 17 May 11 - 10:48 PM

Thanks, Leeneia! It turns out one of my brothers-in-law worked for awhile one block away from Bankside films. I haven't beern onm mudcat for awhile, so just saw these posts. Didn't mean for this to be a point/counterpoint argument on competitions, but what the hey, it's Mudcat :-).

-Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 18 May 11 - 01:17 AM

Leeneia - as a former dancer myself, I find the concept of adjudicators (not "judges") rating dancers on the "spiffiness of their socks" to be a real stretch. So if you could provide the name and date of the Feis, that would be great because those adjudicators need to be reported to the governing body and reprimanded.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 18 May 11 - 06:28 AM

I put up a comment earlier sticking up for both Feiseanna and Fleadhanna and I stand by what I said. That doesn't mean I like the wigs and the radioactive dresses and (particularly) the makeup and fake tan.

The last class feis my daughter danced at was a horrible experience for her. There were about two dozen girls in her competition and at the end, not content with giving first, second and third place, they placed all the dancers in order of (supposed) merit. My daughter was one of the lower-placed ones which meant she had to stand if front of a room full of people being told (in effect) that she was rubbish.

I was fucking furious and she's never been back. On the other hand, she came first in the singing at the recent regional Fleadh but all the kids were given positive, supportive feedback on their performances (as she had been in previous years when she'd not qualified). That's the difference between Comhaltas and the Irish Dancing world.

My greatest beef apart from that with Irish Dancing is that many kids and their parents have no idea of the relationship between dance and music. This is because they learn to dance purely as an athletic exercise. A reel, a heavy jig or a slip jig is taught to them purely as a series of moves.

If you sat them down and asked them to identify what type of tune the 'Foxhunter's Jig', the 'Sally Gardens' or the 'Rights of Man' were they wouldn't have a clue because their parents have no interest in the music and they never hear it in the home - only on a CD at their dancing class.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,An Irish dancer herself
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 03:37 AM

You guys are all crazy. This movie is supposed to show how amazing Irish dancing is and how hard the children work to do it. I am an Irish dancer myself and have pushed myself for over 6 years now and I LOVE it. There are many young girls in my class who also push themselves and love it. I haven't made it to worlds yet and wont for at least another few years,it's very hard work and it's good for you. The competiton is good for you too and they don't force you to do anything. I've never seen a parent yelling at there child if they didn't place or win. It always a good feeling at a feis. I hope you guys understand better now and how this is a great accomplishment for many children and adults. Im only 14 years old and I CANNOT wait to go to worlds. I cried almost through out this whole movie because it just makes me remember all the hard work I've put into it. My goal in life right now is to be able to say "I am the number Irish dancer in the world" by the time I am 19. I WILL accomplish it. Nobodies making me or pushing me. I want this for MYSELF.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: GUEST,An Irish dancer herself
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 03:41 AM

This movie has motivated me so much to practice even more so that I can be the world champion. It has made me excited to practice and think so much about my future it's amazing. Best movie ever.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 11:37 PM

GUEST, An Irish dancer herself: I hope you achieve your goal.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: harmonic miner
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 09:05 AM

Many people who play traditional Irish music aren't interested in dance. And those who dance in this type of competition aren't interested in traditional Irish music. They've evolved from a common source but diverged.


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: harmonic miner
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 09:07 AM

Sorry, meant to say
"Many people who play traditional Irish music aren't interested in dance. And MANY OF those who dance in this type of competition aren't interested in traditional Irish music. They've evolved from a common source but diverged."


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Subject: RE: Movie 'Jig'
From: michaelr
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:47 PM

A columnist from The Irish Times weighs in.


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