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Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?

GUEST,The Shambles 01 Mar 11 - 04:23 AM
GUEST,PeterC 01 Mar 11 - 11:00 AM
GUEST,ChrisP 01 Mar 11 - 11:39 AM
GUEST,The Shambles 03 Mar 11 - 08:35 AM
breezy 03 Mar 11 - 09:07 AM
Mr Red 03 Mar 11 - 01:07 PM
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Subject: Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 04:23 AM

http://www.thisislichfield.co.uk/news/City-pub-faces-music-noise-complaint/article-3260878-detail/article.html

Mr Rackham, who also hosts Lichfield Folk Club singing sea shanties once a fortnight, says he is aiming to meet the demand for live music in Lichfield and has been organising acts for the past six years.

He said: "It is important for the city. And there is a good atmosphere at the King's Head. There's no trouble – people just come along to enjoy themselves."

One fan is Lichfield MP Michael Fabricant who, after attending an open mic night, declared the King's Head his "very favourite pub".

But Mr Rackham is under no illusions – losing his music licence would have a serious effect


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Subject: RE: Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 11:00 AM

The moral is that when you run your folk club at a rock venue you will receive collateral damage when people complain about the over amplified rock music.


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Subject: RE: Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?
From: GUEST,ChrisP
Date: 01 Mar 11 - 11:39 AM

Guest PeterC,
You don't seem to have picked up the fact that it is the landlord himself who runs the folk club, "people" is actually "person",
and you refer to the "over-amplified rock music" as if it is a fact and not merely somebody's spiteful allegation.


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Subject: RE: Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 08:35 AM

The moral is that when you run your folk club at a rock venue you will receive collateral damage when people complain about the over amplified rock music.

The moral I suggest is not to have legislation and enforcement which even risks throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It may or may not be a fact that there is a noise concern. The fact that some people may complain does not mean that there is a noise concern but is it really too difficult to have legislation and enforcement which can address this in a particular case but without presenting a threat to something which is not presenting a noise concern?

You can never obtain official permission to make a noise concern - only to provide entertainment. If this permission is granted and this entertainment should prove to cause a noise concern, there is (and there must be) the correct legislation to deal with this.

The pretence that additional entertainment legislation (which cannot concern itself with noise emanating from anything other than from entertainment) is able in any way to deal with noise pollution and in advance of a note being played, is seen to be a complete nonsense.

Sadly the myth that the loss of the of additional entertainment licensing would result in uncontrolled entertainment and subject the public to noise concerns - is perpetuated by many who know better and generally accepted by those who do not.

There are sensible measures required for all well-attended football matches. These include police outside of stadiums and stewards inside. These measures are not thought to be required for those many thousands of football matches taking place all over the land on recreation grounds and schools.

But is it exactly this approach in places small pubs and schools which the LGA Group lobby try to maintain is required for all live music.......


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Subject: RE: Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?
From: breezy
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 09:07 AM

Someone complains.

Who is to say it a local resident any way?

Did they say to which night they were complaining about?

if it were the shanty night, then take that as a back handed compliment, watch out F Friends

Keep em rolling landlord.


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Subject: RE: Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 01:07 PM

the moral is.........

well just an observation :

but make a legal distinction between amplified and acoustic.
And the number of performers made legally enforceable, just so we can get people watching football and singing at the tops of their drunken voices categorised as potential nuisance.

Not that any politician is ever going up against football, EVER.

There is a precedent on the acoustic front - the current PEL and music for Morris dancing.


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Subject: RE: Lichfield Folk Club - Under Threat?
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 03 Mar 11 - 09:20 PM

There is a precedent on the acoustic front - the current PEL and music for Morris dancing.

Yes - this could prove to be important. With a will to do so, it should not be too difficult to extend this exemption to cover all non-amplified music. But there is so little of this that although such a change would be most welcomed by many of us, it would be mainly a point of priciple, if an important one.

There is a danger that this exemption as it currently stands is liable over time to be used by licensing authoriites in the way that they used the old 'two-in-a-bar'. They will see that the addition of anything amplified to the music making, to have automatically turned the Morris into a licensable performance which would require them to insist on entertainment licensing and which they would have to prevent without this.

This possibilty would of course be avoided by a sensible exemption for all small-scale music making in premises that have already been made safe for the public. But, to return to the football analogy, it may be sensible for Glastonbury-scale events on temporary sites to require a similar approach to that taken for large football stadiums.


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