BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami 11-Mar-2011

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami 11-Mar-2011
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Mar 12 - 01:58 AM

in today's world newer news is more important the old news.

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami 11-Mar-2011
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 09:06 AM

There have been sporadic reports of large clumps of Tsunami debris afloat, and apparently "somebody" is tracking the more significant ones. Earliest reports elicited serious concerns, but the later ones mostly pass with little comment. Whether that indicates a justified decrease in estimates of their effects or just a deficiency in public interest (affecting the cash paid for new reports by the media) is hard to assess.

John

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami 11-Mar-2011
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 06:59 AM

Tsunami ghost ship appears off Canada A fishing boat lost during the Japanese tsunami disaster a year ago has turned up off Canada's west coast.

The 65-metre vessel was first spotted on Tuesday last week by a Canadian Forces aircraft on a routine surveillance patrol, but an aerial inspection has since suggested there was no-one on board.

A military photo shows the ship, streaked with rust but intact, floating 278 kilometres off the southern coast of Haida Gwaii islands, some 1,500 kilometres north of Vancouver.

Transport Canada says its Japanese owner has been notified and it is considering it an obstruction to navigation.

It also says the vessel is being monitored for pollution.

The ship is the first and largest item confirmed to have crossed the Pacific Ocean to North America from Japan's devastating earthquake and tsunami on March 11, 2011.

Near Midway Atoll in the deep Pacific, a Russian ship spotted an intact 20-foot Japanese boat from Fukushima last year, along with debris such as a television and other household appliances, the University of Hawaii said.

Ocean researchers based in Hawaii are monitoring the debris from the tsunami, which they earlier predicted would reach western North America early next year.

There have been reports of Japanese bottles and other items washing ashore, but it is not clear if they were from the tsunami.

Earlier this month, Canada's western province of British Columbia and the western US states of Washington, Oregon and California signed an agreement to coordinate management of the tsunami debris when it reaches shore, and to return items of sentimental value to Japan.

The Japanese fishing boat that was found this week is not expected to reach landfall for another 50 days, said a media statement by Washington Senator Maria Cantwell, who has a special interest in marine issues.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami 11-Mar-2011
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 07:02 PM

This just came through in an email from the antique experts at Kovells:

A Stradivarius violin sold in London for over 9,808,000 British pounds (nearly 15.9 million U.S. dollars), the money all going to help victims of Japan's earthquake and tsunami.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami 11-Mar-2011
From: Bettynh
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 11:41 AM

Maybe in a half-billion years some creature will unearth their version of the Burgess shale.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami 11-Mar-2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 11:25 AM

Crack in ocean floor pic.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 01:23 PM

Amazing!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:04 AM

Tsunami caused Manhattan-sized iceberg 13,000km away in Antarctica The tsunami that struck Japan on March 11 generated waves that hit an ice shelf in Antarctica 13,000 kilometres away, smashing parts of it into huge icebergs, the European Space Agency (ESA) said.

On March 12, ESA's Envisat Earth-monitoring satellite spotted icebergs that had broken from the Sulzberger ice shelf, and on March 16, the pieces were seen floating into the Ross Sea, it said.

The largest berg measured about 9.5kms by 6.5kms, making it slightly bigger in surface area than Manhattan, and had a likely depth of about 80 metres.

The tsunami was at least 23 metres high after it had been generated by an underwater quake of 9.0 magnitude, according to Japanese estimates published a week after the event.

Analysis of Envisat's radar pictures by experts in the United States suggests the waves were probably only about 30 centimetres high by the time they had crossed 13,000 kilometres of ocean.

Even so, the rhythmic up-and-down movement was enough to stress the ice shelf's rigid structure, causing chunks to break off at its edge, ESA said in a press release.

Research that linked the tsunami to the iceberg calving was carried out by a team led by Kelly Brunt, an ice specialist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland. Their study appears in an online publication, the Journal of Glaciology.

Ice shelves are thick floating beds of ice that are attached to the coastline. They are created by glaciers whose ice is discharged into the sea.

Reuters

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: MMario
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 09:37 AM

"2:46: Aftershocks: Stories from the Japan Earthquake" is a kindle book produced by a twitter community in the two weeks post the march earthquake in Japan - all profits go to Japan Earthquake release.

I'm not sure if this counts if you purchase through the Mudcat Amazon link but it can't hurt...contributing twice with one purchase as it were....

My niece lives in Tokyo with her husband as does his family; and a short piece by her is included in it.

MMario

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 09:34 AM

Cooool...

http://mapserver.gis.ttu.edu/japanquake/

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 09:23 AM

Win 7 lets you have 'Desktop Gadgets' - Network and disk meters etc. There's a new one - an earthquake monitor - It just told me that 3 M5+ quakes occurred in the last few minutes off the east coast of Honshu Japan. Oo, there's another just in last 10 mins...

My new Book

How to stress yourself right out in one easy step ...

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 10:07 AM

"incredible" indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 09:53 AM

Here's an incredible CNN story of survival by one Japanese boat captain and his subsequent efforts to help his island community after the earthquake and tsunami: Click here for story

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Apr 11 - 06:49 AM

NHK...

A strong earthquake struck north-eastern Japan at 5:16 PM, local time, on Monday. The Meteorological Agency at one time issued tsunami warnings for the coastal areas of Ibaraki Prefecture.

The agency said the earthquake's magnitude was 7.0, and that its focus was in Fukushima Prefecture at a depth of 10 kilometers.

Intensities of 6 minus on the Japanese scale of 0 to 7 were registered in some areas of Fukushima and Ibaraki prefectures, including Furudono Town, Nakajima Village and Hokota City. An intensity of 5 plus was registered in many areas in the southern Tohoku and northern Kanto regions.

The Meteorological Agency lifted the tsunami warnings about fifty minutes later. A tsunami advisory for the coastal areas of neighboring prefectures was also lifted.

Several minor quakes occurred following the major quake at 5:16. The agency is also warning of possible aftershocks with intensities of 6 plus or 6 minus.

The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Company, says radiation figures at monitoring posts around the plant remain unchanged. The utility firm also says outdoor workers had been ordered to temporarily evacuate.

Monday, April 11, 2011 18:46 +0900 (JST)

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Apr 11 - 05:44 AM

News starting to arrive of another strong (depending on source 7.1-7.7 magnitude) shock in Fukushima prefecture.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 06:42 AM

... more than 2.6 million homes and offices without power as of noon, Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 04:24 AM

Strong quake strikes devastated Japan A powerful aftershock that rocked an area of Japan still reeling from last month's earthquake and tsunami disaster has killed four people and caused water leaks at a nuclear power plant.

The 7.1-magnitude aftershock is the biggest to hit Japan since the massive 9.0-magnitude earthquake and subsequent tsunami struck almost a month ago, killing 12,608 people with a further 15,073 listed as missing.

The quake, which hit Miyagi prefecture, prompted Japanese authorities to warn that waves of up to two metres could hit the shoreline, but the tsunami warning was later cancelled. (more)

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 03:25 PM

Reports in NHK now confirm 27,000 dead or missing in the March 11 quake and tsunami.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 02:11 PM

I think the world should take up Adrien's (Beer) idea..and move all the Japanese to Canada, fast...

Or, let's open up the whole world to them, b because I've a nasty feeling that soon.......................

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 02:02 PM

The aftershock caused injuries in Miyagi and Aomori Prefectures, with many calls to fire departments.
Blackouts in several prefectures according to the nuclear regulator.
Nuclear stations in Ibaraki Prefecture were operating normally, but the Onagawa plant in Miagi Prefecture (suspended after March 11) two of three external power supply units failed.
TEPCO said external power supply at the No. 1 reactor, Higasidori nuclear station, was disrupted and the emergency generator is being used to cool the spent fuel pool.
In Rokkasho, Aomori Prefecture, external power supply was disrupted at the spent nuclear fuel reprocessing plant of JNFL (Japan Nuclear Fuel Ltd.) and the emergency generator is being used.

From Japan Times, April 8, 2011.

Digression-
General Electric seems to be closing its nuclear development plant and abandoning nuclear plant design and construction sales.

Some experts regard the nuclear plant design developed by GE as outmoded; it was the plant design used by GE, Hitatchi, and Toyota for many plants in Japan and elsewhere.
The problems in Japan seem to seal the fate of the GE design.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the one billion dollar GE nuclear branch will be phased out.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 01:19 PM

The tsunami warning has been lifted, but it now seems the power to the nuclear facility has had its power interrupted.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 11:37 AM

New Earthquake Hits Japan, Tsunami Warning Issued
Thanks for the heads up, Black.

VOA News April 07, 2011

A powerful earthquake has hit just off the northeast coast of Japan, sparking a new tsunami alert.

Japan's NHK television on Thursday immediately warned residents in the area to move to higher ground.

NHK said the tsunami could hit the damaged Fukushima nuclear reactor.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the earthquake registered 7.4 magnitude on the Richter scale.

Japan is still reeling form a massive 9.0 earthquake and massive tsunami that devastated swathes of the northeast on March 11.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 11:28 AM

A strong earthquake of magnitude 7.4 shook northeast and eastern Japan late on Thursday, and a tsunami warning was issued for the northeastern coast of Japan, an area badly hit by the March 11 earthquake.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:40 AM

video - Tsunami dog Ban reunited with owner

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 05:34 AM

video - Tsunami dog found stranded at sea

Japan death toll tops 10,000

Grim search for dead continues in Japan

One of my Japanese friends just came back from a 4 week visit to her family who are on one of the southern islands & not directly affected by the disaster, but I haven't yet spoken to her about her trip.

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 06:37 AM

Quake was about 2. People advised to still be careful.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 27 Mar 11 - 06:33 AM

NHK Japan... emergency earthquake warning issued for 3 prefectures (or cities? I can't repeat the names). People advised to prepare. They said they would report the intensity when the quake hits. They have been showing live views of one city and saying, "The lights are still on."

I'd make a link but I downloaded IE9 and

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 08:02 PM

Lots more geological maps here:

Potsdam University site on the Japanese quake

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Little Robyn
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 05:38 PM

Wow! Just watched the map from beginning to end.
The initial quakes were fairly localised but as the days go on, the quakes seem to be spreading out, further over the country, and stretching below Tokyo.
That's scary!
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Mar 11 - 01:43 AM

from the economist

http://www.economist.com/node/18441143?story_id=18441143&fsrc=rss

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 09:11 PM

article about graft and mafia. I just wonder how involved they were in TEPCO. l mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 09:05 PM

I had another thought..if they have all this milk they can't sell, and the old people in the shelters have been deprived of both food and water, wouldn't it be better to give them the milk and spinach? There wouldn't be that much to worry about yet, and if it takes 20 years for problems to develop it seems it would be better to drink the milk now and at least be more comfortable. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 25 Mar 11 - 07:12 PM

More things I do not get..

They say planes are leaving Japan full of people and coming in empty. What about bringing in medicines, food? Blankets?

Why are they not evacuating people from shelters? Making arrangements in other countries if necessary for elder care. Certainly there are places not too far away..Philippines perhaps..where they would receive good care..and countries need cash..but at least get them where there is water and heat. IT is getting exponentially more complicated because of nuclear situation. WIthout that it would be easier.

I see lots of what looks like burnable wood and people are freezing, but I have seen no pictures of fires being built to warm water or whatever. I presume some wood is treated enough to not be burnable, but are there advisories as to what you can and can not burn? Some from inside houses..2 x 4s etc..might be OK.. I do not know. Who does know? Some of it looks pretty dry. I would think that outside fires of stuff that is not too toxic would be nice in freezing weather, at least for the younger people.

I am thinking beyond bribery and into more sinister explanations as to why electric company seems to own the government and call the shots as the country implodes. There was a recall sentiment on Kan right before the earthquake. He was not popular and was accused of taking a small bribe..I think about $3,000 US. From a South Korean, and taking bribes from foreigners is a very serious crime I believe. Why would a PM put his career on the line for such a small bribe? And not check out the briber's nationality at least...it sounds too dumb to be true...someone somewhere is pulling the strings on this.

And do not believe anyone who says they could not have predicted a 9.0 earthquake and tsunami. Alaska in 1964 had a 9.2. Something is going on too complicated for someone as pretty as me to figure out but surely someone can. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 04:11 PM

Update from NHK... >10k dead; >17k missing.

Gosh.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 04:03 PM

What a gesture of kindness!

NHK today... 9737 dead; 16,423 missing.

One porpoise saved... how humbling.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 08:16 AM

Porpoise rescued from field after Japan tsunami Japanese animal rescue volunteers have saved a porpoise from a rice field after it washed two kilometres inland by the March 11 tsunami.

Ryo Taira and his group were in the devastated area around Sendai rescuing cats and dogs when they received a phone call that took them a while to comprehend, the Asahi daily reported.

"There's a dolphin in the rice fields!" said the caller, Masayuki Sato, 55, confusing the baby porpoise with the similar-looking sea mammal.

The volunteers rushed to the site at nearby Ishinomaki, where they saw the animal - a finless porpoise or Neophocaena phocaenoides - wriggling in a flooded rice field.

They made a stretcher from car parts and a futon mattress they found in the tsunami wreckage and tried to catch the porpoise with a net.

When the animal eluded them, Mr Taira waded into the field in his rubber boots and picked it up in his arms, the report said.

With local aquariums damaged by the disaster, the volunteers decided to cover the animal in wet towels, put it in their car and return it to the sea.

"Immediately after I spotted it, I realised I could not ignore it. I had to do something. This was also a victim of the tsunami," Mr Sato later told the Asahi.

He said he remembered seeing the animal rescuers' phone number on a poster in a quake and tsunami evacuation centre.

Mr Taira told the newspaper of his thoughts as he watched the animal swim off into the Pacific Ocean.

"I don't know if it will survive, but it's much better than dying in a rice field, right? It's good," he said.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 10:56 PM

Jack-

That is one scary dynamic map!

Here in Maine we just have the 12-foot tide to mull over.

Actually we do have earthquakes in Maine but they are less than 4 on the Richter Scale and are described as an attempt to restore isostatic equilibrium, as the crust rebounds in its quirky way from the huge weight of the glaciers that retreated from our fair state 12,000 years ago.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:57 PM

Quake map, by the guy who did the Christchurch one:

http://www.japanquakemap.com/

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 11:08 PM

I am very glad they were rescued..they were in a house and the boy made it to the roof. What I was trying to say is you are not going to find anyone in the actual mud at this point..still could find them in houses etc. Or there could be air pockets. But I would take people off of searching for bodies and still keep them searching buildings and even cars and boats...but main priority it seems has to be getting water to people..unless they do have snow..then get something to melt. Also there are lots of trees down..perhaps could be cut and made into bonfires outside shelters. I don't know. One man was shown freezing but sitting right next to a downed tree.

Also problems getting supplies are not necessarily roads..one shelter situation with elderly was helped by another nursing home in another part of state just chartering a couple of buses and taking in the elderly.

Food problems are exacerbated by trucks and drivers lost in tsunami. some roads are OK. There are lots of trucks and vehicles in Japan and lots of people can drive trucks and cars..you could pack a lot of medicine into cars and powdered food, peanuts etc.   Stuff is stuck in warehouses..good stuff. Gas is a problem but they say it takes so long for emergency vehicles to stand in line to get gas..why are they having to do that? Either put them to the front of the line or have certain stations reserved for emergency vehicles.

Also if cars are leaving with two people, give them extra gas for taking a refugee with them and taking out of the worst zones. They could drop at new shelters in better places.

I think that our mind's eye stays there are 40 foot chasms that must be lept to get some supplies in and only specially trained mountain goats can get there. Perhaps it is true but it sounds like that is not the main obstacle..and then you get to the 40 foot chasm and here is where the bamboo bridges come in again..or something..I really don't think this is the case..probably more just breakage etc.

Can they drill for water in some places?

Is there now rain?

Can buckets etc. be dropped? Sometimes it is not the water but the container..they have plastic bladders for this too..perhaps the water situation has been solved by now. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 10:43 PM

On a side note the "miracle rescue" from Friday was not a rescue after all. The man had gone to see what was left of his home. He decided to stay there and went to sleep only to be "rescued" by excited rescuers. The press got excited and next thing you know you have a miracle.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 08:53 PM

Brett-

I also liked seeing the "good news" that a grandmother and her grandson were rescued after 9 days. Amazing in an area with such devastation.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:37 PM

HERE is a news story by an AP reporter who has covered various war zones. He is shocked by what he sees in Japan.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 07:08 AM

Weary firefighters battle Japan crisis

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:38 AM

I have always been amused at people who hear early reports from areas that have hit by some form of disaster and then take those reports as gospell. What happened to "developing" news? Maybe there were no 30 meter waves. I have trouble with believing that myself but these are still early days and the true extent of the disaster has yet to be shown.

On the plus side heard earlier this evening that rescuers had pulled an 80 year old woman and a 16 year old boy out of the rubble 9 days after the quake! MG, that would be a rescue by the uniformed people you claim are wandering aimlessly and not helping with the disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 10:30 PM

Record quake unleashes tsunami on Japan A massive 8.9-magnitude earthquake rocked northeast Japan late on Friday afternoon, setting a nuclear plant ablaze and unleashing a 10-metre tsunami that tossed ships inland and left at least 110 people dead. (more)

Intense video shows height of Japan Tsunami

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:57 PM

Japan has provided shelter for 390,000 refugees, a tremendous job.
Over 100,000 buildings partly or wholly destroyed in Iwati and Miyagi Prefectures.
Fuel shortages have hampered efforts to deliver supplies to the shelters and to activate heavy equipment; priority measures enforced.

Removal of rubble has enabled Defense Forces to build and/or open roads to the coastal cities.
Myagi Prefecture is using helicopters to deliver supplies.
In coastal Ofunato, Iwati Prefecture, heavily damaged, schools have reopened.

Relief efforts are strong, but the magniture of the disaster makes them look ineffective.

The press concentrates on the effects on the elderly (Japan's aging population), a small number of whom succumbed even though removed to shelters.
Japan Times, March 17.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:14 PM

I am still waiting for links to the alleged 10 to 30 meter high tsunami waves.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:12 PM

Quite the anaolgy mg. Someone should scale the hill... it isn't a mountain. These people need help and why they are not getting it is a mystery... and sickening.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:06 PM

They have world-famous mountaineers..if the roads are totally impassable do you think that a few mountaineers in relays could not get backpacks of medicines through somewhere? There has been time to get shiploads of them from Korea. Throw in some powdered milk. I would personally put on a backpack and see how far I got. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 02:43 PM

The coverage on NHK World is heartwrenching. Why can't the big drug companies help with medicine... long lines of people.. every day as only one dose a day is given out... people are dying. Something is desperately wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 08:08 PM

leaving aside the nuclear disaster, which overhwhelms all other potential disasters..I can not figure out why sometimes we see a number of soldiers or people anyway in uniforms looking somewhat through the rubble when the odds now are close to zero..houses, cars, not yet..but in the rubble. very low. I saw a picture of I think 9 men carrying a stretcher with one female body..probably not weighing 100 pounds...Couldn't those same men..and there are some roads and some gas..but I don't know what goes where..be helping to evacuate some of the elderly? SHouldn't that now be priority? And getting food to them..by road as far as possible..then bicycle, pack horses, dogs, llamas, whatever is needed..backpacks..it sounds like stuff is getting in and out of places and there are gas shortages but military should commandeer it and get food and water and more blankets to people on verge of starvation now. Again it would hlep if we had photos so could hlep plot routes etc...including sea as I always say. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 08:02 PM

it also has to do with how small a space the ocean is forced into. Most ports on US coast were fine..a couple were smashed. Looking at a small number of pictures, I see what looks like canals going inland. They could have taken serious hits. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 07:28 PM

How high is a four story building? There were people who were that high, especially at the hospital I mentioned earlier, who did not survive. The big waves did not occur everywhere. I heard an oceanographer say the waves built up higher because of the complex sea bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 02:46 PM

T'would be lower out at sea... not higher.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 02:44 PM

The tsunami waves that hit northern Japan were 10 to 30 METERS HIGH

None of the film footage I've seen shows anything as high as 10m, let alone 30m.

Maybe higher over the epicentre out at sea, but who was measuring there?

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 02:33 PM

10 to 30m high? I did not know that. Got any references to back that up?

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 02:08 PM

I know what mg meant...

There is a nuclear disaster scale that only goes up to 7.
They made Chernobyl a level 7 event. That maight have to be upgraded as time goes on

The Richter scale essentially has no upper limit however a magnitude 21 would be the energy of Venus hitting the Earth head on.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 02:04 PM

The tsunami waves that hit northern Japan were 10 to 30 METERS HIGH

not 10 feet.

over 90 feet high moving at 41 mph, some of them moved 6 miles or more inland.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 01:11 PM

Midway island had extensive washover that killed albatross chicks and adults. It'll take years to really find out what the effects of this event were on ocean ecology worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 08:21 AM

MG, you need to start listening to legitimate news organizations. Whoever you are using as a source of information is wildly inaccurate and completely out of touch with reality.

Have you actually looked at the pictures of the areas that were hit? Have you noticed the piles of splintered wood that used to be homes and businesses? Did you realize the paths through the rubble had been painstakingly cleared by desperate people trying to get through to those who need help?

I think your basic mistake is comparing the government of the USA with that of Japan. Martial law is not an option because the people are not prone to looting, rioting, or mayhem of any sort. It's the Americans who do that.

As for nuclear power, I agree with anyone who says it's too dangerous and the waste lasts too long. The problem is that we lost that argument years ago and now live in a technological society that needs power. Lizzie, you may be willing to live by candle light but you are in the minority. Nuclear power is here and all we can do is try to limit future plants and push our governments to push businesses to develop clean energy. That means we cannot yell NIMBY when they want to put a wind farm or solar facility near our houses.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 06:55 AM

"...Remember that one of the waves went inland for 10 kilometers. How do you prepare for that? "

We cannot make life safe. We can make it safer, but not safe. We have become such an arrogant and stupid species...greedy too. We want this planet to be run for US. We want all the wonderful things technology has brought us, all the comforts we have, but we don't want to think where it's coming from, what's behind it all.

One thing we can prepare for is to ensure this exact nuclear situation never occurs again. How? By facing up to the end of nuclear power altogether. By admitting we allowed something so horrific to be used to keep us all comfy and cosy...and that we must never again put our own species or others, in such a nightmare situation.

This of course, will mean sacrifices. Not human ones though, material ones. It will mean a very different way of life, but you know what, our ancestors lived their lives simply and survived, left the world in a good state for us, whilst we are tearing it apart for our children.

I'd quite happily go back to candles, suffer the inconvenience of life as it was, rather than live with a Nuclear Nemesis.

If we don't do this, if we don't start using other forms of power, using far LESS power in the first place, living with nature, rather than killing it off, then we have no future to plan for anyway...

The choice is ours.

We need to have our own Countdown to Meltdown...and the meltdown with us is to stand up and say "NO MORE! NEVER AGAIN!"

Nuclear power isn't safe, it never has been, it never will be..and for Jiminy's sake, this stuff stays radioactive for tens of thousands of centuries!

The question to ask is WHY we were SO stupid in the first place????

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 06:20 AM

It is amazing the mothers in all the recent disasters who put their own lives on the line to keep their children safe or get them to safety.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 01:36 AM

Well for one thing you declare martial law the minute the earthquake starts and if you need gas to prevent a nuclear meltdown that is where it should go first. I doubt that all the local boats were destroyed..but there are boats elsewhere. You can't clear all roads but you can clear a path to the sea hopefully. That is where salvation lies. That is why I say we need photos and videos and perhaps they are out there...I don't know...so that engineers and transportation people and intelligence people can go to work from around the world saying here is what looks like the best path...

I have heard they have a different earthquake rating system so their 7 could be our 9. I don't know. But if your numbering system stops, you increase it. You don't say no can do. We can only count to 7. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 01:17 AM

Actually the reactors had triple redundant safety systems. There were diesel generators to back up the power systems, seawalls to protect from tsunamis, and the facility was built to protect it from any massive earthquake.

I agree you need to prepare "...for way worse than you expect..." but how far do you take it? Should you prepare for everything up to and including Judgment Day? There has to be a reasonable cut off point. We can second guess the designers but you need to remember these reactors have been working fine since the 1960s.

If you have an earthquake scale that goes to 7 it is unlikely that you need to worry about a 9 or 10. Humans can only prepare for reasonable occurrences. What happened in Japan is beyond reasonable but it happened.

I didn't hear about a shortage of bodybags but I do know that the oil refinery that burned in Chiba prefecture would have supplied fuel for a lot of those trucks and ambulances. Plus the private citizens have been desperately filling their cars. Remember they are a free capitalist society.

I think people need to look closer at the level of destruction. Towns were not just damaged. They were literally wiped from the face of the earth. look again at my last post. They were ready. They just couldn't predict the size of the disaster. The waves were expected but not waves of that magnitude.

When I worked for the Navy in Maine we built our buildings according to high earthquake expectations. It made the buildings more expensive but they were safe. Maine doesn't get many earthquakes and none of any great magnitude but we were ready for them. But we would not have been ready for an earthquake like the one that hit Japan.

You say they could use boats. The local boats were all destroyed or deposited on dry land. The water for miles around is full of bodies and newly deposited navigation hazards. The facilities for unloading boats have all been destroyed.

The roads have been buried beneath the rubble that used to be towns or the mud carried around by the waves. Clearing them involves heavy machinery that has to come from somewhere else. Remember that one of the waves went inland for 10 kilometers. How do you prepare for that?

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 08:06 PM

I do not buy that. You always have to prepare for way worse than you expect, which we do not here, and I personally am not prepared and live right on the tsunami belt. However, I am not responsible for nuclear reactors that are failing because fire trucks do not have enough gas from what people are saying. People have been saying for years that huge earthquakes, certainly 9.0, are expected. To build nuclear reactors there, I can not say I would do it, but if I did, for damn sure I would have way more than triple redundancy..maybe 10X redundancy..if first thing fails what do we do? Second thing? Third thing? All the way up to bucket brigades I suppose. Did they even have double redundancy? It seems to me that they were saying we have this system that depends on electricity the reactors produce that will power the pumps that will put the cooling water on the reactor. Duh..what if the reactors fail? This is human incompetence on an unmeasurable level. We can understand Haiti, understand Ukraine..they are suffering economies. Japan had the finances to do way better..and to run out of 2,000 body bags? In a country of millions? In a city of hundreds of thousands I think? Well, maybe they got washed away. But a lot needs to be accounted for, and for here in US as well. Do not think there will be food or water or anything where we have to evacuate. Do not put all your hope in the 2 helicopters that are available. Store stuff here and there in various places. Plan to use boats. Have ways to get gas out of cars and boats..this would have perhaps saved the meltdown if theyhad been able to gas up the firetruck two days ago.

I wish I knew how bad the roads were and how bad the shorelines were..not expecting ports to survive..some did not survive here...but surely somone..Somali pirates for sure..could get smaller craft into shore from a larger craft with supplies and to take people out.

We have all lost a lot of wisdom and practical knowledge over the last few generations as we become over-intellectualized I think.

I also think those Somali pirates could have figured out really quick how to get some gas to the firetrucks and some water on the reactors. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 07:35 PM

Donuel, you should leave fear-mongering to the Republicans. They are professionals and much better at it.

I am grateful that my wife does not read this site. She is already devastated by what has happened to her nation. We have friends living in Chiba, the site of the oil refinery fire. Her best friend lives in Utsunomiya where the radiation spiked earlier in the week.

It's important to remember what has happened. Japan is the most quake ready nation on earth. They have been visited by devastating quakes over and over. They have also been victimized by tsunamis. I read a story yesterday about a woman who lived in a town where they had annual tsunami drills. They had safe zones on high ground. When the sirens went off she went straight to the high ground and on to the higher ground beyond, turned and watched the wave sweep over the supposedly safe zone.

This disaster is unparalleled. Japan's earthquake measurement system only goes to 7. This measured 9! They prepared for the types of tsunamis they had seen in the past. These washed hospital patients out of the fourth floor of the hospital. The building stood but only those on the fifth floor survived!

The point is that you can prepare for the reasonable event but this goes beyond reasonable. The nuclear power station was protected from tsunamis and built to withstand earthquakes. It would have been safe from anything. But this was far and away much more than you could plan for.

As of this morning they announced the death toll has hit 13,500 people and they expect it to keep climbing. This is the worst disaster to hit Japan since the Allies firebombed the Japanese cities. In terms of physical destruction (not loss of life) it is worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined with the added horror of nuclear fallout.

There is no way to understate the level of the disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 07:09 PM

If you thought the Gulf oil leak took a long time to bring under control, the events in Japan will take years.

It is Chernobyl's silver anniversery and after these last 25 years radiation levels are too high to spend more than a week without permanent damage to your body.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 07:06 PM

Sarcasm aside, something people would like to know is what are they being lied to about.

1 the claim that a nuke plant can not explode is a technical lie. It can explode but in the way a neutron bomb explodes, like a fizzle with such extreme radiation that only animals are killed.

2 The radiation can not cross the ocean. This is a whopper of a lie. You have heard about how the sands of the Sahara desert blows yellow sand across the Atlantic and deposits it in the Carribean Islands and Florida. You have heard about how the deserts above Beijing China blow all the way to California.

Now if sand and talc like fine sand can cross oceans, why cant really hot atoms that rise in the air cross an ocean. All sorts of radioactive particles can attach to anything else in the air and amke the journey. The concentration will be very low but all you need are an atom or two stuck in your lungs or gut to start a disease event.

3 The big lie about covering up a total meltdown is jaberwockey. Once the moten tons of fuel burn down to the ground there is no way to contain all the steam explosions it will produce as it continues to burrow deeper.

4 For all the reasons above the claim there is no hazard or concern to the United States is a bald faced lie.


5 NRC spokespeople say they do not know what MOX is in the Japan reactor. It is 5% Plutonium. Now how would I know that and he doesn't? He is lieing . You see they do not like to use words people have bad notions about. Words like Plutonium and death.

6 The incentive to lie is because the nuclear industry have4 Trillion dollars on the betting line. They will certainly cheat for that kind of money and believe me they are expert cheaters.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 03:51 PM

Remember the tsunami videos of the bay that was full of those moderately large white boats being dragged over sea walls and under bridges?

In Sendai it seems there was a hughe Dolphin hunting fleet of boats harbored. An American who filmed the COVE secretly documented the mass killing of dozens of families of Dolphins near Sendai.

This documentarian happened to be there when the tsunami hit. In fact he was filing the streets and the villigers all around twon as he randomly drove uphill in town. Then suddely he had to gun it and make some wild turns to get out of the way.

The video of many hundreds of people out walking to go check on friends who had felt the earthquake is eerie. You realize that all the people you see down by the harbor are all dead.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 03:32 PM

Well, sIx, after Harper went on TV claiming that the earthquake in Japan was a clear sign that the opposition should not defeat the government and cause an election due to the fragility of the global economy being at the mercy of Mother Earth and our economic recovery hanging in that balance with only Himself to save us, what did you expect? Even Mother Earth is pissed off at his idiotic musings and she grumbled at the silly SOB.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 03:17 PM

Don't want to cause any alarms here with my fellow canucks ...

but

just in on the CBC ... 5.0-magnitude tremor damages Quebec town

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 10:58 AM

9.0! No nukes! (When will we ever learn?)

Look out California! Diablo and San Onofre on notice.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 06:53 PM

Donuel, my wife's family lives about 100 miles from the plant.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 04:06 PM

Latest news rom a German crackpot (singing daughter of a really good folksinger):

Earthquakes are triggered/staged as a weapon by the USA (who else, of course?).

(1) Haiti was a warning to Chavez.
(2) Japan, well that was to punish Japan for signs of weakening regarding their contribution to the Afghanistan crusade (the nuclear fallout was not planned -it just was a collateral damage- for who could guess the safety of the reactors was so abysmally low).

I bet some American crackpots and conspiracy theorists will soon catch up with this particular claim.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Bettynh
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 02:47 PM

There are lots of quakes. The list is for worldwide earthquakes over 5.0 (on our scale of 1 to 10). Shoving an island the size of Japan 8 feet over is going to have some consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 11:24 AM

6.4, 14km down. Near Mount Fuji. Not connected to the big one (different fault line). No damage. Few minor injuries from falling.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 10:41 AM

A powerful earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.0 jolted central Japan on Tuesday night.

The Japan Meteorological Agency says the quake with an intensity of 6 plus on the Japanese seismic scale zero to 7 hit at 10:31 PM.

The focus of the quake is in the eastern part of Shizuoka Prefecture and is estimated to be at a depth of 10 kilometers.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 09:37 AM

It is Unconscionable for TEPCO and Japanese government lies and propoganda to continue unchallenged. IN a meeting at the American Embassy in Japan the embassy staff and familes asked the ambassador "SHould we leave or should we go?

The US ambassador said they should do as the Japanese Government advises, at which there was an outcry and angry outbursts yelling that TEPCO has a long history of lieing and that the face saving element of Japanese culture serves no purpose when lives are at stake.

There are other things I know that I can not post on a public international site like mudcat, it could jeopardize my insurance status among other things.

If you are able to read between the lines.
At least you should believe me when I tell you,
The containment vessel #2 is breached.
There are 10 reactors at Fukashima in total. All but one will continue to reamin in serious trouble.
I am sure you know what that means and also know that there is no precedence for the 100,000's of tons of nuclear fuel left to burn in the open.

Remember just one cooling pond for spent rods to cool for two years holds as much as 25 reactor cores. It was exposed and fires resulted.

I leave it to you to answer the question the Ambassador could not.

IF there are people in Japan 100 or more miles from Fukushima who need to ask "should I stay or should I go?".

the answer is go.

This is the only respondsible answer.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 15 Mar 11 - 03:28 AM

I met Masato several years ago. I know he lives in or around Tokyo so he was well clear of the tsunamis. He is also clear of the nuclear fallout for now.

As for him checking in on Mudcat I believe he had an elderly parent to care for plus he will be subject to the rolling blackouts.

I believe he is OK.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 03:45 PM

There are quite a few people with the same name. Yes, I tried to find Masato on FB several weeks ago and found only a plethora of similar names; not enough of them had pix for me to spot him.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 01:56 PM

Equally sad to what I posted above, it seems some have lost their lives by being too camera-keen; on the other hand, mobile phones must have saved many lives, as well as saving worrying, as Ruth said.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 01:28 PM

Masato is professor emeritus at Hitotsubashi University in Tokyo, it seems. So he probably wouldn't go in to work every day anyway, and communications there are difficult, even though most people are safe.

There are quite a few people with the same name. This Wikipedia page (on a Japanese version of Auld Lang Syne) makes it clear which is the right one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aogeba_t%C5%8Dtoshi

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 01:02 PM

PS the last email address I had for him (it's pretty old) ended with:

@m2.ocv.ne.jp

... if anyone can track that to a location?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 12:57 PM

Masato is a uni prof I believe whose hoime is/was in a somewhat urban area. He's been much on my mind as I am sure he has been on others'.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 03:53 AM

Donuel, 10:49: eloquent and insightful.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 12:01 AM

Perhaps I was only feeling a personal helplessness.
If there are people who can make it all better overnight please give them a heads up mg.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:56 PM

I don't necessarily agree. I think some things need to be done quickly, can be done quickly and there are people who can do them. They are often called veterans, and have been trained to move quickly and decisively. Ready, fire, aim. One of the great tragedies of Katrina is that help was on its way from private parties, from Swiftboat veterans in boats etc., and they were turned away. I can see turning them away from the epicenter, or where rescue efforts are underway, so as to not have too many conflicting people getting in each others' way, but the Just Send Money It Is Cheaper And Better If We Buy The Stuff Over Here is often nuts. Sometimes it is OK if there are stores etc. open with goods.

mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:49 PM

We as human beings become full of ourselves. I am talking about myself or the entirety of mankind and not individuals here.
We think we can do something, the right thing and the wise thing quickly if we only had the proper leaders and understanding.
We can't
The only thing we as a species can do instantly is to destroy.
Certainly given enough time and steady progress we can do amazing things, be it the Great Pyramids or a global satiltte communication system.

To mobile boats when most boats are damaged by tsunamis or even to bull doze roads which are washed away or displaced, are things that are wishful. To do the simplest thing may be impossible at some point.
All we can do is what can be done in a particular moment.
That is what is so dreadfully sad and insufficieant in the midst of such an enormous catastrophe and woe.
Right now there are countless survivors still alive who are stuck somewhere alone in the cold wet and waiting. 10,000 people perished from one town alone.

We see a snappy multi graphic TV screen scrolling ,1,200 dead 1,700 injured...but the truth is far more painful, sad, alone and frightening. ITs like the meat counter at the grocery store, what you see is nothing like what happened getting there under the lights and mist and music.

The helplessness in times like these are the times in which faiths and religions give some minor comfort for some. SOemtimes it is more than cosmetic. Sometimes a person may draw upon real or imaginary powers to not give up and struggle against hope to save themselves or someone else.

No we can not know what it is like in Japan in its entirety, nor should anyone one person have to bear that suffering. We can do what is possible now. Someone else can do something small along with another and another until slowly something big and great may happen.

Maybe someone will someday learn how to do something wonderful and great that can be activated and built in as little time as we are now able to destroy things with missiles bombs and particle beam weapons.

Meanwhile help is on the way. Two weeks without further disasters will be the time when all that could be done will be done to reach lives that will be saved. Some rest will have graves others will not.
And maybe some may become fossils for another age to testify about ther ordeal. It looks sad and will always be sad but there are things we will do to make some things better, slowly over time.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:11 PM

I would insist that the owners and CEOs and the engineers etc. be on site to solve any problems that come up. Perhaps they are..mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:08 PM

That is good. They said they were bringing relief supplies to people via car. How? The roads are shattered. They are "considering" bringing supplies by air and sea. Once newest tsunami passes (and where did that come from without an earthquake? Series of aftershocks?) they need to get stuff in by boat I would imagine...

I say again our biggest dumbness as a nation is our inability to move goods that they somehow figured out how to move in the 1800s across the world. We should constantly be bundling up old clothes and bedding (cleaned first of course and further sanitized perhaps with steam) vacuum packing and sealing in plastic and be ready to drop them from aircraft or perhaps even into the sea near a shore..certainly should have been done in Haiti where there is a very young population that could have rowed out to big boats (they didn't send boats because docks were destroyed..huh? They could have swam to the big boats)in warm tropical water..Japan of course is freezing cold but I bet there are still a lot of working boats..you have to be able to mobilize boats in a disaster..anything..bicycles, horses, wheelbarrows pushed by juvenile delinquents..

One thing about being mostly elderly..some logistics are going to be easier. They are a more mobile population as in if they are in a nursing type home they can be moved to another one in a safer area. A family situation has to consider schools and jobs and more material goods and farms and etc. As long as they are safe and warm and in touch with their families, and not in medical distress, their needs are going to be easier to meet. If they are exposed to radiation and it is not too high and they are nearing the end of their lifespans, it is better than if they were 5 or 10, the age of so many of the Ukranian children exposed.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 11:02 PM

Perhaps the poor video I saw was of #3 while they were talking about #1


I studied the HD TV pictures in still mode and noticed the difference of the trees and vegetation before and after the explosion of #3.

Before there were evergreen bushes that were full and green.
After those same bushes were scant and brown.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 10:58 PM

Reports that a C T scan is a hundred times more radiation than what is by the crippled N plants.

I say lower Anderson Cooper into reactor 3 like a tea bag now.

"this is Anderson Cooper and below me is a Nuclear power plant without its roof. I am being lowered by heli..take me up take me up its fucking hot down there! No no ...I am still being lowered into tha hot mist down here and   WHOA they just detached the wire and are flying away. Excuse me if you can;t here me through this respirator but it is really hot and Im, im i"


Ya know as soon as the President of Japan said everything was now unbder control at the Nuke Plants that is the signal to run for your life.

Once again a critical chain reaction which amounts to an atomic blast is unlikely but not impossible. When there is enough heat in a huge clump of melted fuel you do not need an initiator or an explosion to set it off. Heat alone is the catalyst.

The thrid plant that reported loss of cooling is now claimed to be a rumor because the radiation sensor was probably just picking up Fukashima radiation.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: bobad
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 10:53 PM

According to Reuters, the latest explosion at reactor #3 has not damaged the reactor containment unit.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 10:44 PM

New explosion from reactor #3. (potentially hydrogen) The damage surpasses what we saw on #1.

In addition a new plume of white smoke is rising from reactor #3.

The video is worthless since the ship off shore has moved about 6 miles away.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: bobad
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 10:30 PM

A second reactor explosion and another tsunami warning -- man, can it get any worse for those poor people.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 09:34 PM

Volcanic eruption now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpl3VK3dl7I

Shinmoedake blowing up with its biggest eruption for 52 years.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:41 PM

Good thing I am not a conduit...mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:40 PM

I watched as the scientist said meters repeatedly and the stupid talking head on TV responded with feet each time.

Pretty faces with stupid brains are a particularly bad mix when they are the conduits of vital media information

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:37 PM

I have been reading 8 feet..will rechcek. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:37 PM

Sendai, the Japanese harbor town which is most often pictured on TV is in fact a retirement village and few children except for grandchildren lived in theat retirement village.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:35 PM

As a result of this 9.0 quake (it was upgraded)

The earth has shifted 10 cm. on its axis

Japan has moved East 12 meters to 8 meters.


GPS updates will be in order.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:29 PM

Have you noticed there seem to be almost no children and a great proportion of elderly people? I think this is probably due to low Japanese birth rate, plus this happened in north where presumably younger people have left for the big cities for employment etc...also working families might have had more resources to evacuate quickly when earthquake hit..I don't know. It is good that fewer children seem to be impacted..the children of Haiti have said they want to help them somehow but have nothing to give. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 02:36 PM

Earthquake, tsunami, fears of possible radiation... add to that the people who will die from lack of necessary meds, lack of food and water... the elderly, the young, the weak. If that doesn't shed a tear

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 02:02 PM

Yesterday they said there were millions without food and water. Today I read hundreds of thousands. In some areas where there are buildings but no transportation they have opened up government offices, schools etc. for shelter. The threat of nuclear exposure of course will make getting supplies in and people out much more difficult. mg

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 01:25 PM

France and Germany are advising their people to leave Tokyo because there is a 70% of anothe quake 7.0 or larger.
Without cable I rely on online news. What are they doing about those left homeless? Tent cities? Food and water?

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 10:58 AM

The interview I saw this morning stated that fresh water was better for the reactor, salt water would cool the reactor as well as fresh. But fresh was need for the population and they were using sea water because they were not concerned about the reactor. Just stopping the core from melting.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: bobad
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 10:51 AM

It is being reported that the entire main island of Japan was shifted by eight feet and the earth shifted on its axis by an estimated ten centimeters throwing GPS readings off.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 09:24 AM

My understanding of the problem with the nuclear power stations seems to be that they need to urgently get in coolant to the reactors but probably need a power system to do it. The stand-by systems (generator then batteries)which should have kicked in failed because of the extreme circumstances (flooding). How easy would it be to get powerful enough generators to the site/s bearing in mind the present chaos?

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:48 AM

Bobert... lot's of info on this thread... BS: Nuclear plant disaster looming

It's not melting down yet according to the latest reports.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:47 AM

he last posted 24th Feb

I think Naemanson met him when he was in Japan, I'll ask him

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:35 AM

Is Masato anywhere near the disaster area?

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:28 AM

I've been listening to BBC radio cover most of the evening

One of my Japanese friends said earlier today none of their families or friends are affected, except the mother of one was still in a refuge.

He also said - Please pray for Japan continually as many people are hurting who I don't know.

sandra

Japan: Tsunami engulfs Sendai Airport

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 08:07 AM

Looks as if one of Japan's oldest nuclear reactors at Fukushima Diichi is in the process of melting down... This is going to have far reaching medical consequences that could overshadow the estimated 10,000 lives that have already been lost...

My heart goes out to the Japanese people...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 03:46 AM

I couldn't see that video either - all I got was an apologetic message saying it wasn't available in my country!

Japan Earthquake: before and after Aerial photos taken over Japan have revealed the scale of devastation across dozens of suburbs and tens of thousands of homes and businesses.

Hover over each satellite photo to view the devastation caused by the earthquake and tsunami.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 12:23 AM

They say the earth dropped and some places will stay underwater..interesting that Atlantis is now emerging.

Anyway, here is a message from Haitian children..tried sending before..hope it is not a duplicate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryn-mooser/haiti-stands-with-japan_b_835000.html

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:00 PM

According to the Japanese Meteorological Agency the area around Miyagi Prefecture and Fukushima Prefecture moved 4 meters to the east and dropped 50 centimeters. That means some flooded areas will not drain right away.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 03:54 PM

USAID sends Los Angeles and Virginia search and rescue teams to Japan
Submitted by Anissa Ford on 2011-03-12

The United States Agency for International Development is sending two rescue mission teams to Japan. The two search and rescue teams are leaving Los Angeles and Fairfax, Virginia to answer Japan's earthquake and tsunami events disaster response call.

74 members of Los Angeles County's Urban Search and Rescue team are going to Japan to help with rescue and recovery efforts. 72 are going from the Fairfax team.

The LA team told a local Los Angeles ABC station that they are waiting to find out if they'll arrive in Japan via commercial or military flight out of LAX. LA County's Urban Search and Rescue team conducted rescue efforts in Haiti last year. They were on standby for assisting with rescue efforts in Chile and also helped earthquake victims in New Zealand.

The LA team in Haiti team had doctors, engineers, fire fighters, communication specialists and rescue dogs. The team headed to Japan is taking 45,000 pounds of equipment with them including pneumatic lifts, boats to deal with flooding and search and retrieval canines.

The team also has infrared and listening equipment to find persons within a building. The USAR team is large enough that the crew who recently returned from New Zealand can stay behind on this mission so as not to respond to a second international disaster relief trip so soon.

There is one other team from the US that makes international rescue trips from Fairfax, Virginia. The United States Agency for International Development activated their Fairfax County search and rescue team to aid in rescue efforts in Japan.

The Fairfax team was called Friday afternoon and 72 of the teams 200+ members will travel to Japan with six search and rescue dogs. Fairfax's team is brining cameras, breaking tools, listening devices and swift water boats to search for residents who may be alive underneath the debris.

The Fairfax department's rescue team was established in 1986 as a domestic and international disaster response unit under the realm of the Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Department. Fairfax also utilizes emergency managers, planners, physicians and paramedics and structural engineering, heavy rigging, collapse rescue, logistics, hazardous materials, communications, canine and technical search specialists.

Both the Los Angeles and Fairfax Search Teams are trained to respond to international natural disaster rescue missions. They can excavate people trapped under rubble and in the water or from wherever they may need rescuing.

USAID pays 100 percent reimbursement for any deployment by both US teams.

The Los Angeles Dep. Chief Dave Stone from Los Angeles County Fire said they will start taking a building apart with the least chance of hurting the person trapped in there. But he added that there is concern about aftershocks.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Gurney
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 03:25 PM

The Japanese rescue team that was helping with our NZ earthquake should have arrived back there about now. One third of our total NZ rescue staff are following them, it is reckoned that we will have enough left here to cope in ChCh.
No doubt other Pacific-Rim countries are also sending help.

The pictures of the tsunami are heartrending, and people trapped in it would have had little chance of survival. Frightening. Dreadful. All those buildings which resisted the 'quake just washed away like dead leaves.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 12:11 PM

Yes bobad. You can get CNN on CNN but not on YT. The advertisers won't pay for their ads to be viewd in certain countries... depends on the advertiser of course.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: bobad
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:48 AM

Sorry gnu, I didn't see that -- I had just viewed a vid on the CNN site and had to switch to IE to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:46 AM

bobad... "not in Canada".

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: bobad
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:44 AM

"CNN won't let me see the vid."

Some vids don't play in Firefox but will in IE or in Firefox if you use an IE emulator such as IE Tab.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:40 AM

Beer sent me this...

Quake moved Japan coast 8 feet; shifted Earth's axis
By Kevin Voigt, CNN

March 12, 2011 1:58 a.m. EST

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Friday's powerful earthquake appears moved the main island of Japan by 8 feet (2.4 meters)
Report: The 8.9-magnitude earthquake shifted the Earth on its axis by 4 inches
The quake triggered more than 160 aftershocks in the first 24 hours
Similar strength to the 2004 qiake and tsunami that killed over 200,000 people
(CNN) -- The powerful earthquake that unleashed a devastating tsunami Friday appears to have moved the main island of Japan by 8 feet (2.4 meters) and shifted the Earth on its axis.

"At this point, we know that one GPS station moved (8 feet), and we have seen a map from GSI (Geospatial Information Authority) in Japan showing the pattern of shift over a large area is consistent with about that much shift of the land mass," said Kenneth Hudnut, a geophysicist with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS).

Reports from the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology in Italy estimated the 8.9-magnitude quake shifted the planet on its axis by nearly 4 inches (10 centimeters).

The temblor, which struck Friday afternoon near the east coast of Japan, killed hundreds of people, caused the formation of 30-foot walls of water that swept across rice fields, engulfed entire towns, dragged houses onto highways, and tossed cars and boats like toys. Some waves reached six miles (10 kilometers) inland in Miyagi Prefecture on Japan 's east coast.

The quake was the most powerful to hit the island nation in recorded history and the tsunami it unleashed traveled across the Pacific Ocean, triggering tsunami warnings and alerts for 50 countries and territories as far away as the western coasts of Canada, the U.S. and Chile. The quake triggered more than 160 aftershocks in the first 24 hours -- 141 measuring 5.0-magnitude or more.

The quake occurred as the Earth's crust ruptured along an area about 250 miles (400 kilometers) long by 100 miles (160 kilometers) wide, as tectonic plates slipped more than 18 meters, said Shengzao Chen, a USGS geophysicist.

Japan is located along the Pacific "ring of fire," an area of high seismic and volcanic activity stretching from New Zealand in the South Pacific up through Japan, across to Alaska and down the west coasts of North and South America. The quake was "hundreds of times larger" than the 2010 quake that ravaged Haiti, said Jim Gaherty of the LaMont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University.

The Japanese quake was of similar strength to the 2004 earthquake in Indonesia that triggered a tsunami that killed over 200,000 people in more than a dozen countries around the Indian Ocean . "The tsunami that it sent out was roughly comparable in terms of size," Gaherty said. "[The 2004 tsunami] happened to hit some regions that were not very prepared for tsunamis ... we didn't really have a very sophisticated tsunami warning system in the Indian Ocean basin at the time so the damage was significantly worse."

The Japanese quake comes just weeks after a 6.3-magnitude earthquake struck Christchurch on February 22, toppling historic buildings and killing more than 150 people. The timeframe of the two quakes have raised questions whether the two incidents are related, but experts say the distance between the two incidents makes that unlikely.

"I would think the connection is very slim," said Prof. Stephan Grilli, ocean engineering professor at the University of Rhode Island .

CNN's Ivan Cabrera contributed to this report

Story and Video at :

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html?hpt=T1

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:37 AM

CNN won't let me see the vid.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Bettynh
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:31 AM

Aside from the admittedly frightening prospects of the nuclear watch, it seems a city of 70,000 people has not only been hit by the tsunami, but has dropped into the ocean permanently. Minamasoma is shown in a flyover by Japanese tv yesterday. I really don't understand why the official Japanese statements estimate a few hundred or maybe a thousand lives lost. The numbers will be much larger.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 11:16 AM

Gnu-

So am I.

And now I'm trying to find out more about the design specifications of this Fukushima plant. It doesn't seem to have a secondary containment system from what I've been able to find so far, which makes it as vulnerable to a catastrophic explosion as the Chernobyl plant in the Ukraine.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 10:49 AM

Sorry about that.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 10:19 AM

Time to shift over to the Nuclear Power Plant Disaster thread, unfortunately.

"Japan's government spokesman says the metal container sheltering a nuclear reactor was not affected by an explosion that destroyed the building it's in."

I'm unsure what this statement means beyond an attempt to reassure the public. The fuel rods are within a containment vessel and here in the States our nuclear plants have what's called a containment dome, a final barrier of defense if there were a meltdown (and no one really knows if it would work or not in that event). It's unclear to me if there is a secondary containment dome for this reactor in Japan or whether that was supposed to be the building whose walls have just been blown out.

But in either event no cooling system (pipes, pumps, valves) would have survived that explosion and it's just a matter of hours before there is a complete meltdown.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 10:04 AM

That explosion is clearly carrying concrete following the hydrogen gas and steam release.

The core is possibly exposed for that particular reactor at this time. Perhaps the steel containment vessel is intact but is obviously very hot, very brittle and contains melted U238 fuel and other isotopes.

4 more reactos could go at a total of well over 100 tons of bomb grade metal

A fission explosion would not have been captured by camera 2 miles away because the camera would have melted.

A picture would need to be taken many more miles away to record any unlikely chain reaction explosion.

Which is worse, fission or meltdown?

They are nearly equally bad but a meltdown would allow decades to try to cap the mess in a mountain of concrete. But being right at the sea's edgem a concrete masuoleum offers little containment.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 09:53 AM

Japan's government spokesman says the metal container sheltering a nuclear reactor was not affected by an explosion that destroyed the building it's in.

Yukio Edano says the radiation around the plant did not rise after the blast but instead is decreasing. He added that pressure in the reactor was also decreasing.

Pressure and heat have been building at the nuclear reactor since an earthquake and tsunami Friday caused its cooling system to fail.

An explosion Saturday blew out the walls of the building housing the reactor. The government has ordered people within a 12-mile (20-kilometer) radius of the plant in Fukushima to evacuate the area.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 08:33 AM

6.0 aftershock has just hit Fukushima.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 08:01 AM

Japan Quake: Tsunami Intensity from NOAA

US man killed by tsunami waves Tsunami waves from Japan's huge earthquake have killed at least one person in the United States, officials said.

A 25-year-old man was confirmed dead in California's Del Norte County after being swept into the Pacific Ocean near the mouth of the Klamath River on Friday (local time), according to local emergency officials.

The man and two friends were taking photographs of the incoming tsunami waves.

Joey Young, a spokesman for the Del Norte County emergency operations centre, said it had not been determined whether the victim was a local resident, but he had been in the area about two weeks.

He said no other people had been reported missing or injured in the area.

The giant wall of water lost much of its energy as it roared thousands of kilometres across the Pacific Ocean before hitting the US west coast on Saturday morning.

Surges of 2.4 meters high crashed ashore on the coasts of California and Oregon up to 12 hours after the 8.9-magnitude quake triggered tsunami alerts in dozens of countries across the Pacific.

Thousands fled their homes along the California coast, but only two towns in northern California suffered any significant damage to boats and harbour areas.

A series of four tsunami waves hit the Hawaiian island of Oahu, but no injuries or property damage were reported.

Many residents in Tonga fled to higher ground ahead of the expected 5.00am arrival of the wave, however Radio Tonga journalists say the waters have remained calm.

In Papua New Guinea, authorities say there has been no sign of a tsunami, nor has Marshall Islands been affected.

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre reports waves of between 20 to 70 centimetres were expected on islands such as Nauru, Kiribati's Tarawa, Fiji and Vanuatu.

The alert has since been lifted in most parts, including the Philippines, Australia and China.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 06:46 AM

My wife spoke with her parents today. They are fine and Aunt Sachiko has joined them in their house.

Here is a part of my post from my Guam thread.

Charlie, you were right. Japan is one of the safest nuclear power generators in the world and now they have lost control of one plant and may lose the other. All of their redundant safety systems failed. The Fukushima plant has one reactor that has blown its containment building apart and they are worried about the other five reactors on site. They've evacuated people for 20 kilometers around the northern plant and 10 kilometers around the southern plant in Fukushima.

Damn! I wish you and the Clamshell Alliance could have been wrong on this one. I keep thinking about that reactor in New Hampshire and wondering how people would be able to get from Maine to Massachusetts if there was a 20 kilometer no-go area around that plant.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 06:24 AM

We heard from two of the girls in Fukushima this morning - at that point they were safe and well (no power, no water - email on mobile phones is a wonderful thing). The explosion at the nuclear plant may have changed the picture somewhat. Don't know how well the radiation is contained, or whether the evacuation zone has been substantially extended.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 04:33 AM

BBC showing footage of massive explosion at Fukushima 1

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 04:24 AM

At this stage an explosion has been reported at Fukushima 1 with no clarity as to what this means. External panelling of one of the reactor building has been blown away but there's uncertainty about what has actually exploded. All deeply disturbing.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 03:24 AM

Clean atomic power?

What kind of species invents a power so dreadful, so dangerous, that it has the capacity to not only wipe out its own species, but every other species on the planet, as well as the planet itself?

Years back, my daughter's school organised a school trip to Hinkley Point Power Station, backed by..yes, you guessed it, the nuclear power industry, to prove how wonderful and how clean and how SAFE nuclear power was...and is...

She was the only child who didn't go. I was the only parent who went "What the HELL are you doing taking children to a nuclear power plant for a school TRIP out!!??"

The headmistress never really got over that one...she muttered and stuttered and splattered out words which even she didn't believe....whilst I just stood and stared at her in disbelief...

"Take them to the Zoo, anywhere else but a nuclear power station!"

That was the first inkling I began to get that the world had lost the plot bigtime...and since then I've watched in disbelief at how stupid, how crazy and how mad my species has become...

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 02:29 AM

Lets get a thousand fire trucks to pump some water...

Checking many other talk sites I have found a prepondurence of people angry ahead of time for evil liberals or ignorant Michael Moores who are certain to exploit this Japanese Nuke plant issue to watonly besmirch the image of clean atomic power.

I wonder what Bill Mahre has to say

"What!? Now its going to be safer to move to Pakistan than stay on the west coast when the fallout hits LA!"

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 11 - 02:09 AM

I can;t get no   Satisfaction
either.

but the pro nuclear voices are already critisizing the anti nuclear voices for any shadow that will be cast on the industry because of this "incident" for decades to come.

BTWQ this is the first time Japan has declared a full nuclear emergency. The PM helicoptered in.

Do something, even if it is organizing bucket brigades or ask everyone to run there with batteries or thier house generators or hook up a million jumper cables to a fleet of Hondas...

Just Get those pumps working PLEASE.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,ChanteyLass on cell
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 10:51 PM

My grandson and the CA portion of his family are all okay. There was an advisory in San Diego County to evacuate marinas, but I'm not sure they did that.

The problems at nuclear power plants in Japan is science fiction becoming fact. Those of us who oppose nuclear power will get no satisfaction saying "I told you so."

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 10:18 PM

Here I Come To Save the Day

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 10:17 PM

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 09:35 PM

If you have friends or family in Japan they should be OK at 150 miles from a nuclear plant that could conceivably fail by meltdown and or explosion.

Radiation levels at 20 miles could be dangerously high.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 09:27 PM

Another Japanese N plant at a different site has brought its fires under control.

Charley knows that once all ther water boils away, the plant is on a diasater downhill course that could cascade to several terrible conclusions.

If we are bringing (a 'coolant') boron to blanket the site, then we are rushing a band aid to the site to hopefully disuade the fuel from going critical.

IF the pumps are restored in the next 8 hours they could contain the plant to a 3 mile Island level of destruction.


Yes the media nuke spokespeople are already sayung that a few bad apples should not condemn the whole industry...

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 09:13 PM

Here's the best overview of what is happening now that I've found: click here for update!

Part of what is in this report includes this statement:

"Operators at the Fukushima Daiichi plant's Unit 1 scrambled ferociously to tamp down heat and pressure inside the reactor after the 8.9 magnitude quake and the tsunami that followed cut off electricity to the site and disabled emergency generators, knocking out the main cooling system.

Some 3,000 people within two miles of the plant were urged to leave their homes, but the evacuation zone was more than tripled to 6.2 miles after authorities detected eight times the normal radiation levels outside the facility and 1,000 times normal inside Unit 1's control room."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 09:01 PM

Damn!

20 minutes ago this update was posted:

"The Kyodo news agency says the cooling system has failed at three reactors at a nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture in northeastern Japan and that the coolant water's temperature has reached boiling level."

The radiation levels within the containment are also described as a thousand times higher than normal.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:40 PM

"it is good to bear in mind Japanese nuclear power plants are built with earthquakes of this magnitude in mind."

No, unfortunately no nuclear plants in Japan have been built to withstand an 8.9 level earthquake. They have been built to survive very strong earthquakes at the 7.0 level, but not for extreme cases, and certainly not for an 8.9 earthquake.

My understanding of what has happened is that the nuclear plant automatically shut down when the earthquake occurred, as designed. Then the electricity that powered the regular cooling pumps was cut off by the quake. However, the back-up generators, powered on site by oil or natural gas, didn't kick in as expected; I'm not sure why but they may have been flooded by the tsunami. The only other back-up power available has been batteries, and there's not enough of that power to run the pumps.

I believe that additional pumps have now been brought in by helicopter and may soon be working. They'll certainly be needed soon to avoid a melt-down and catastrophic release of radiation. A release of the radioactive gas that is building up in the containment will provide some more time to deal with the problem, but will also endanger the surrounding population with low-level radiation. Evacuation has now been ordered for a 10 km radius of the nuclear plant. It should be at least twice that radius, and more depending on weather conditions (the downwind zone is of course the most vulnerable).

It's amazing how sanguine most nuclear consultants are who are resident in London or the States when consulted by the media. They should be transported to what's left of the control room in the plant to gain some much needed perspective.

By the way it looks to me as if there are at least four reactors on this site. And, yes, as has been pointed out above they are over 40 years old and their containment vessels are more brittle than when they were new and subsequently are more susceptible to cracking under duress.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:54 PM

Republicans must figure that the warning program is the problem. Defund it and the problem goes away. Actually they did that last month.

Soon they will discover that certain geologic faults can destroy much of the United States. I bet they move to defund those nasty earthquake faults.

As Boehner says "The best way to get the economy going is to get the economy moving."


read his lips -he is really smashed on alcohol every hour of the day.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:41 PM

Meanwhile in politics:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42033145/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:17 PM

If you place the area that is uninhabital after the Chernobyl meltdown and place it over Japan you will see that one or two of these vast areas would quickly reduce the size of a habital Japan to 70 or 80%,

If two or more go...depending upon where they are

Japan will be virtually 50% habital by humans..

Disagree with my assesment all you want but we all better pray that the N plants can be brought under control in the next three days.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:10 PM

How will a looming nuclear disaster as well as the earthquake (which pales in comparison), effect the rest of the world?

Financially only about 10 to 20% of Japan's losses are covered by insurance.

Insurance does not cover natural disasters of nuclear accidents. Even your home owners policy will say this.
The special insurance for natural and atomic accidents is sold in large part by AIG. 70% of AIG is in receivership to the taxpayers of the US. AIG would need a bail out to cover the pay outs.

Toyota and Nissan are shut down with no reopendate in mind.

Imagine buying a product from Japan you might suspect of being radiocative. Not good for nusiness.

Hyundai will take over the Toyota market share of Toyota and Nissan for a year or more.

Japan has a current debt margin of 200% compared to the United States debt margin of 25%

After WW2 the US had a margin of 100.



The US will have to provide money and rescources equivenant to what we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan every week which is about 2.5 billion.
If we are serious about saving Japan, we should consider declaring victory in Afghanistan this coming Monday and shift to help Japan. As Bush senior said "Na-gonna-doit"



Again if the N plants (one or more) melt down there will be more death than there was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but in slow motion voer decades.

There is no such thing as one possible outcome.

The outcome of a meltdown ranges from an enormous bomb event to a persistant radiation event that is difficult to ever clean up as water explodes from a deep radioactive hole in the ground. If the Zircon shield at the bottom of the ractor holds the way the 3 MIle Island Plant did, we all all be very luckey indeed. Since the N plants are next to the sea. I'm sure you can see the difficulty containing the problem if it goes catasatrophic.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:08 PM

Tsumani warning in effect now..Japan E.Q the other thread on the disaster


Japan earthquake live - links to reports, pics & videos
At least 402 people have been killed but Japan's Jiji Press News agency said police and other data showed that the total number of quake dead and missing topped 1,000.

Japan Earthquake in photos

Whirlpool forms after Japan earthquake

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 06:45 PM

IF TWO OR MORE NUCLEAR PLANTS IN JAPAN MELTDOWN BEYOND THE CONTAINMENT BUILDING:

Wind currents will disperse radiocative cesium, Iodine, Strongtium, plutonium and other nasty atoms world wide.

Of the dizens if nuclear plants in Japan, currently the oldest one bulit in 1960 and finished in 1970 is in the most serious condition of being unable to cool the fuel rods which are now venting radiactive steam. Once the unclooled water turns entirely to steam the fuel will melt and may or may not be contained in the old brittle vessel. The steel in an old plant being bombarded by protons and neutrons for decades will behave like steet that is hundreds of years old. If heated or cooled rapidly the steel will crack wide open. This N plant has no electricty to run the cooling pumps after the back up generators flooded, the back up batteries have run out hours ago.
This part is speculative but when it was reported that Russia and America are rushing "COOLENT" to Japan's N plant it may be refferring to powered boroon to dump on top of the reactor to ease the risk of ...gulp detonation...the wame way Russian firefighters did on Chernobyl. All the first responding firefighters who dumped the boron from helicopters died within weeks.

A second critical N plant is also having trouble cooling down.


Hilary Clinton said we are sending coolant to Japan. The airforce says they they do not know of any flights of coolant.
(Maybe we shipped it Federal Express?!)

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Naemanson
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 06:42 PM

My wife's family is safe. Her brother is in Tokyo and her parents and aunt are in Tochigi Prefecture. They all felt the shaking and my brother-in-law lost his Martin but they are all safe. Aunt Sachiko spent the night in a neighbor's car because of the aftershocks but they all are fine today.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 06:32 PM

In the weeks to come please buy and take Iodine pills as directed. Stop drinking milk and cheeses made after the end of March.
Momitor or measure radioactivity in outside swimming pools.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:49 PM

Watched a tragic film-clip on the BBC, taken from an aircraft, where drivers on a highway failed to get away from a surge travelling about 5 times faster than any vehicle can.

I hope I'm wrong but, despite the good organisation and preparation in Japan, sadly, it looks to me like 1000s of others must have died.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:34 PM

PS

My friend Maki is stuck trainless in Tokyo, but no injuries amongst his family friends and co-workers.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:33 PM

"A theory I been playing with since the last tsunami from a Mathematician view. Does the increased frequency of deep water drilling have a cause / effect in the increased frequency of major earth quakes and tsunami events."

Interesting thoiught, but not a chance. The tectonic stresses accumulate on a timescale waaaayyyyyy longer than human activity. And the stress re-adjustments due to slip on a fault redistribute the stresses locally - not globally. Lots and lots of seismic and direct in-situ stress measurments to support this.

Humans can fuck up lots of things (and can even trigger some - samll so far - earthquakes...see Sichuan 2008, Rocky Mt. Arsenal in the 1970s etc.) But causing an earthquake in Japan from drilling elsewhere on another plate? No possible way.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:28 PM

There's been 'a surge in radiation levels' and evacuation zone is expanded to 10 km. Not looking good at all.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:24 PM

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:22 PM

That's true, Ruth. Best wishes for your friends...

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:17 PM

Thanks, Becky. I've been keeping an eye on the nuclear plant situation all day. I have been thinking that no news is good news, as there haven't been any pictures of Fukushima City, but then one of the reports I saw online called it one of the 3 places worst affected - and another talked about partial collapse in several schools in Fukushima prefecture. So just in knots, really, till we get more news.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:13 PM

Ruth, it looks like Fukushima City is away from the coast, and earthquake damage was not too bad (a factory building did collapse), but the nuclear power plant that is in trouble is in Fukushima Prefecture. They have evacuated an area within a 2-mile radius of the plant.

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:10 PM

The situation with the Fukushima nuclear plant looks much more frightening than a few hours ago.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8389

http://twitter.com/search?q=%23JPQuake

http://allthingsnuclear.org/post/3788886037/nuclear-crisis-at-fukushima

10km radius evacuation zone.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 04:49 PM

My daughter went on an exchange with Minami High School in Fukushima City in the autumn. Their girls came over and stayed with us last summer. We haven't heard anything yet about how things are in Fukushima City, but it's close to the epicentre, near Sendai. Will be quite distressed until we hear something about the girls and their families, or at least about the city and the school.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 04:14 PM

One death reported now in Crescent City, California, where 4 people were swept away by the surge. One person is still not accounted for.

Nothing to compare to the the horrifying results in Japan, but still sobering that an event on the other side of the Pacific could cause this.

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 03:26 PM

Southern Calif. doesn't seem to be reporting any damage; beaches have been closed and I would think that anyone living on a boat has been warned to leave.

There has been marina damage in Santa Cruz and especially in Crescent City, which is just below the Oregon border and was devastated by a tsunami in 1964. Apparently the dropoff of the continental shelf off the coast of northern California and southern Oregon amplifies and complicates the effects of any incoming tsunami waves.

In Morro Bay, about 3 hours north of L.A., they evacuated people from low-lying areas, and had some damage to boats and docks. I'm planning to visit there with my son next week.

In San Diego, they're reporting no noticeable waves.

In the L.A. area, Redondo Beach residents were hoping that a surge of water would help clear out a huge kill of sardines in the marina...

~ Becky in Long Beach (southcoast L.A.)

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 02:45 PM

My friends in Honolulu are safe. Now I'm waiting for my son to contact his son in Chula Vista, CA. My 10-year-old grandson lives on a boat in a marina with his mom and other grandparents. My son, like me, lives in RI, where my grandson also lived until he was 8. The tsunami should be greatly diminished by the time it reaches (has reached?) southern CA. Last i heard, the CA family didn't have Internet access on their boat, so I probably won't hear anything until tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 02:32 PM

I was responding to the post before gnu's

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 02:32 PM

In the light of that last comment it is good to bear in mind Japanese nuclear power plants are built with earthquakes of this magnitude in mind. Yet, the cooling system of the one in question is damaged beyond quick repair and while meltdown is not immediately on the cards, anonymous officials at various nuclear power safety agencies are still considering it a real, worst case scenario, possibility.

88.000 people reported missing at this point according to some news outlets.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 02:24 PM

You have a point Charley. However, there is such a thing as "reasonably safe" nukes. Unfortunately, politicians won't spend the money to build them. One example... build them with with very costly containment systems in remote areas which are not prone to earthquakes. But that at least triples the cost.

Another earthquake near Nagano just now.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 02:10 PM

Every person who has advocated on this forum in favor of nuclear power should reconsider their position. However, I don't expect that to happen with regard to a couple of individuals here.

Those of us who have opposed nuclear power since the partial meltdown of Three Mile Island in 1979 and the meltdown of Chernobyl in 1986, have become increasingly concerned about the resurgence of corporate and citizen support for "safe nuclear energy."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 01:59 PM

This is horrible! My deepest sympathies to the people involved.

Already on here, and other parts of the Internet, there seem to be a variety of responses. The most worrying and contemptible are people making racist comments against the Japanese (not on Mudcat, I hasten to add!). Then there are those who are looking for someone to blame - God, drilling for oil etc., etc. Then there are the religious nutters - the less said about them, the better.

I think that the only things that we can blame are the size of our populations and the complexity of our infrastructures. The Earth has always been restless and dangerous - just to pick one example, 74,000 years ago the Sumatran super-volcano, Toba, erupted and covered most of the Indian sub-continent with up to 10 ft of ash; this apparently had a profound effect on the future of humanity. But populations were tiny then, and a comparative 'handful' of people died.

Now there are vast populations, plus their buildings, vehicles, power plants etc. in the way of each shrug and mutter of the planet. We have succeeded in replacing a neat little bullseye with several huge barn doors. Sadly, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 01:55 PM

Just heard the core temp in the reactor is rising. The PM is expected to fly over the area soon... I have no idea why.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 01:17 PM

The level of destruction from this one is pretty incredible. Those waves have done an extraordinary amount of damage.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 01:06 PM

Here's a bit more of an update on the two damaged nuclear plants from CNN: click here for update!

The area around the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant was evacuated. The emergency cooling system is still not functioning properly but plant officials claim that the situation in "now under control."

A second plant experienced a fire in its turbine hall (non-nuclear side of the plant) but reports that the fire has now been put out.

The earthquake experienced was beyond what the plants were designed to withstand.

If we think back to Chernobyl in 1986, we know what a worse case scenario can do, hundreds of thousands of people exposed to unsafe levels of radiation.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: maeve
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 12:50 PM

Thinking of all people affected...especially my sister and her family in Palau.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 12:49 PM

One big concern has to be the damaged nuclear power plant in Northern Japan. Evidently there is structural damage and the emergency cooling system is not functioning properly.

There is some video, reports of damage in the control room, some minor radiation release but not much more detail at this point. I would hope that evacuations have been ordered.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Brian May
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 12:48 PM

> I think we're very significant personally. <

OK

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: ClaireBear
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 12:36 PM

Here across the big pond from Japan, a few sailboats have broken loose in the tidal surges in Santa Cruz (California) harbor and are wreaking havoc on the other, still moored yachts. Our tsunami is only a foot high so far, but apparently it is packing some punch even so.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 12:19 PM

I think we're very significant personally.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Brian May
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 11:36 AM

With our piddly little drills, set against the hole created by a volcano et al, I don't think we make diddly squat difference.

It's just Nature showing us who's boss. This has been going on since time immemorial but affecting Man since he's been around, a piddly few thousand years.

We really are quite insignificant when you think of it.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 09:30 AM

Crap. All I can say is crap.

And pray for the survivors...I hope help is already on the way.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: olddude
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 09:16 AM

My wife is a Fulbright scholar. She did a month trip to Japan a few years ago on a Fulbright Scholarship and spent a month with a family in Tokyo .. I can only pray that they are alright. They have been good friends to her and my family ever since ... they have two small kids. I pray they are ok

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 09:00 AM

Most of Tokyo is made in anticipation of earthquakes. It'll take a while to re-establish communication links, but it'll be done, Mario. I'm sure your family members are safe.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: MMario
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:53 AM

My neice is in Toyko - cell phones are out and train are not running; Her family is a walking home from wherever they were...her father in law finished his 9 holes of golf before leaving to walk home!

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:43 AM

The following list issued by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration gives estimated arrival times for the tsunami along the North American Pacific Coast.

NOTE: The listing of times does not indicate a wave is imminent. Listed time is for the initial wave arrival, though tsunamis can be dangerous for many hours after arrival.

The Alaska/British Columbia border         0538 PST
Langara Island, British Columbia         0543 PST
The north tip of Vancouver Island         0626 PST
Tofino, British Columbia         0706 PST
Prince Rupert, British Columbia         0711 PS
The Washington-British Columbia border         0712 PST
Bella Bella, British Columbia         0812 PST
Wave arrival times for selected U.S. locations on the Pacific coast

Shemya, Alaska         0020 AKST
Dutch Harbor, Alaska         0228 AKST
St. Paul, Alaska         0239 AKST
Kodiak, Alaska         0358 AKST
Port Alexander, Alaska         0434 AKST
Valdez, Alaska         0443 AKST
Homer, Alaska         0516 AKST
Juneau, Alaska         0543 AKST
The Oregon-Washington border         0720 PST
Fort Bragg, California         0728 PST
Westport, Washington         0732 PST
San Francisco, California         0816 PST
Newport Beach, California         0845 PST
Seattle, Washington         0851 PST

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:37 AM

Just read that high waves are NOT expected. I expect that communities located on creeks or rivers that empty into the Pacific should pay attention to what's happening. Water likes to follow rivers, etc., both ways because the mouths are real real close to sea level. Boats moored close to shore are in some danger of getting pushed around, but it will be nowhere near the devastation suffered in Japan.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:28 AM

Low-lying communities in British Columbia (Canada's west coast) have and are being evacuated. The expected arrival time is in about three hours.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: olddude
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:28 AM

A theory I been playing with since the last tsunami from a Mathematician view. Does the increased frequency of deep water drilling have a cause / effect in the increased frequency of major earth quakes and tsunami events.

A geologist would say No, no proof bad science. A mathematician studying chaos theory would say anything is possible via butterfly effect, we just haven't plotted it yet. Looking at data from over 50 years .. it is one thread that emerges. However, no one can prove it -"yet"

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Hollowfox
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:27 AM

Wow. Are you Pacific Rim folks all right? I fired up the $#!@-reduction candles for a bit before work, for what they're worth. Can we help with anything here?

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:18 AM

Sandra... the video is horrifying.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM

I just posted links to pics & videos on the other thread, I hadn't seen this one

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: olddude
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:08 AM

It is just terrible, my thoughts and prayers go out to all those who were affected ... I have been watching CNN, terrible photo's of the tsunami damage after the quake

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:06 AM

4.5 in Hawaii.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 08:00 AM

Most powerful earthquake in the world for 140 years , apparently

Worst in Japan in 140 years. Not world. Doesn't even come within the 25 strongest in the world. Valdivia, Chile, May 1960, holds the record with a 9.5 magnitude while the St Stephen's Day 2004 quake near Indonesia was a 9.1

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:53 AM

There are tsunami warning across the Pacific, as far west as Hawaii. One wonders about the coast of Southern California.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:50 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 07:48 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709791

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Lox
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:17 AM

Horrific scenes - very worrying!

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 05:10 AM

BEIJING, China - China's state media is reporting that a moderately strong earthquake in the southwest topped more than 18,000 houses and apartment buildings.

Thursday's temblor left 25 dead in a mountainous area in Yunnan province, near the border with Myanmar.

More than 127,000 of Yingjiang county's 300,000 people have been displaced by the temblor which Chinese authorities measured at a magnitude 5.8.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: bubblyrat
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 04:52 AM

Most powerful earthquake in the world for 140 years , apparently . Many other countries now under threat of tsunami damage.

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: open mike
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 04:21 AM

http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-tsunami-watch-for-much-of-alaska-20110311,0,2657130.story

Alaska also under watch/advisory/warning

http://www.ktuu.com/news/sns-rt-news-us-japan-quaketre72a0ss-20110311,0,6781242.story

http://www.weather.gov/ptwc/

http://www.weather.gov/ptwc/?region=2&id=hawaii.2011.03.11.083152

Subject: RE: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Little Robyn
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 03:40 AM

On the eastern coast near Tokyo.
There's damage on land from the quake and damage from the tsunami on the coast. Also a fire spreading from broken fuel lines.
Early reports say 8 people killed but I reckon that will rise. Many cars have been swept away by the water.
Early TV reports.

Robyn

Subject: BS: 8.9 earthquake off Japan, tsunami
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 11 Mar 11 - 02:39 AM

Huge and awful.

~ Becky in Long Beach