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Subject: Columbia
From: G Martin
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 08:25 PM

I am looking for the lyrics for a tune called Columbia or the wreck of Columbia,or maybe it's called something else? It is about a historical Grand Banks Schooner. The first verse goes "Columbia was built of stout Oak and good Pine". I hope someone has heard this tune or knows a resource where I might find the lyrics. Thanks in advance!

Gregor martin


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 09:30 PM

Hmmm. I wasn't familiar with that song, and it looks like a real gem. It's in the database - click here. A search for a combination of distinctive words from the song, like columbia oak pine, brings it right up.
Anybody got a tune they can post for us, or do you know of a recording?
-Joe Offer-
THE COLUMBIA
(Fred Starner)

Columbia was built of stout oak and good pine
She was launched with a cheer and a cup of good wine
Her canvas was graceful and stitched extra-strong
It seemed that her builders could do her no wrong

The crews of Columbia worked hard with hand-line
And the dories were hoisted and the fish packed in brine
She raced with the Bluenose, the pride of the fleet
She showed them her stern on the windward beat

And it's haul on the lines, it's a wrenching ache
You pull your muscles till the cords seem to break
And it's a-a-all on the sea

Out fishing in August, the twenty-first day
She went down in the gale; how, no one can say
Old Wharton must have done all a captain can do
But he went to the bottom with all of his crew

Not many months later, on the first of the year
A modern stern-dragger was a-working her gear
A-dragging the bottom with nets strong as steel
All hands felt a tremor which shivered her keel

And it's haul on the lines, it's a wrenching ache
You pull your muscles till the cords seem to break
And it's a-a-all on the sea

From the waters off Sable came a terrible sight
The hull of a schooner rose in the spotlight
Shorn of her rigging, her gaffs, and all stale
The hull of Columbia rose ghostly and pale

And then with a shudder and a yaw the nets broke
But the hull of the schooner could not stay afloat
Columbia sank back to her watery grave
But the souls of her crewmen in memory were saved

And it's haul on the lines, it's a wrenching ache
You pull your muscles till the cords seem to break
And it's a-a-all on the sea

So ended their work on that cold winter's night
When a modern stern-dragger found Columbia's death-site
And I know that old Gloucester is changing fast
But she'll never forget her brave sons of the past

And it's haul on the lines, it's a wrenching ache
You pull your muscles till the cords seem to break
And it's a-a-all on the sea
And it's a-a-all on the sea

@sailor @ship @wreck
filename[ COLUMBIA
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Subject: The Schooner Columbia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 10:21 PM

I found a blurb that tells a bit about the significance of the Columbia:
Fishermen have always been proud of the superiority of their craft. Since the middle of the 19th century, owners of fishing schooners have engaged in keen rivalry to prove their mettle by racing for the Thomas Lipton trophy. Over the years, this contest turned into a Canadian-American rivalry.

The Bluenose, of Halifax, carried a sailors' nickname for the men and boats hailing from Nova Scotia. She was the outstanding champion on the Canadian side.

In 1923, the Bluenose raced with the Columbia, a fishing schooner out of Gloucester, Mass. The contest ended in a dispute because the Canadian schooner finished first, but was disqualified for fouling the Columbia and then for cutting inside a buoy. The Columbia was awarded the victory. The Bluenose came back to demonstrate her prowess in subsequent years and became the pride of all Canadians.

The schooner Bluenose was built in Nova Scotia in 1921 to fish the rough waters off the coast of Newfoundland. A salt banker type, she stayed out until her holds were full of fish, using salt to preserve her catch. During prohibition, she was used as a rum runner. The Bluenose was lost off Haiti in 1946.

The Bluenose, of course, is the famous schooner depicted on the back of the Canadian dime. It was built in a shipyard in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, one of the more scenic harbors in this world. I got a real thrill when I was walking the docks of Lunenburg and found the Bluenose II, which is almost an exact replica of the original ship (but the replica is motorized). A week later, I visited the Maine Maritime Museum at Bath and found the Sherman Zwicker, a motorized schooner built in the same Lunenburg shipyard - and the Zwicker looked almost exactly like the Bluenose. A couple days later, I saw another almost-identical schooner in the harbor at New Bedford, Masssachusetts - it was the Ernestina, which was built in Gloucester, Massachusetts. I'm wondering - are there any surviving schooners that look like the Columbia? Where and when was the Columbia built, and what else is know of its history?
Those Grand Banks schooners fascinate me. The paintings of Winslow Homer tell their story so well.
I've been able to visit only one schooner here on the West Coast - that's the lumber schooner C.A. Thayer at the San Francisco Maritime National Historic Park. I understand there are a few others, but the Pacific schooners don't have the graceful design of the Grand Banks schooners. I'd swear those Grand Banks schooners are the most beautiful ships ever built.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Greg Martin
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 10:39 PM

Thanks Joe for the help and all the other great information. This is a wonderful song and now I will be able to play it complete again, the tune has been rolling around in my head for awhile. I think I heard it on an old Starboard List album but I'm really not sure. Anyway thanks again!

Greg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 11:00 PM

Ooh! Click here for a picture of the Columbia, which I found at this site. What a beautiful ship!
Click here for paintings by Winslow Homer (who pre-dated the Columbia, but did great schooner paintings-especially this one).
-Joe Offer, still looking for the tune of the song, or a recording-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Greg Martin
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 11:19 PM

I am pretty sure Joe that Starboard List did that song, if you can find one of their albums. Come to think of it Folk Legacy Records might have a copy of that laying around. http://www.folklegacy.com/index.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 11:35 PM

Yeah, Greg - It's on the Folk-Legacy "Starboard List" CD - but it's a housekeeping problem for me. Click here for the album. My database says I have it, but I've been on the road so much this year I'm disorganized and can't find the darn CD.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Greg Martin
Date: 09 Sep 99 - 11:47 PM

If you can't find the CD give me a call and I'll play it for you over the phone :)http://www.alaskawebsite.com/martin/


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Sourdough
Date: 10 Sep 99 - 03:06 AM

I went aboard Bluenose II up on the Bay of Fundy in the late 1950s. A year or two later I sailed into Halifax and in a drugstore there I saw aerial photos of a full rigged ship under sail. I asked what ship it was and learned that it was the HMS Bounty which had also been built in Lunenburg. I've never been to this shipyard but it must be a great center of traditional occupations since they have been able to turn out wooden sailing ships long after other yards have been long gone.

The vessel name, Thayer, rings a bell for me but I am not sure I can place it. Is it possibly the name of a coastal schooner that has been sinking for 70 or more years into a mudbank in the harbor at Machiasport, Maine? There are two wooden ships there that have been landmarks for generations. On various trips to the area over the years I have watched them disintegrate. I haven't been there for going on fifteen years so they could be all gone by now but they sure were picturesque.

Thinking of those old coastal lumber schooners is making me homesick.

I worked for a guy who bought a Grand Banks schooner. Stout and stable, it never lost the aura of its heritage and remained determinedly fishy smelling even wnen outfitted as a pleasure boat. My favorite Grand Banks sailing story is Captains Courageous.

I have been nattering about here. I guess all of these things, "Thayer", "Lunenburg", "Bluenose" set off the alarms on my memory banks.

Sourdough


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Sep 99 - 02:41 PM

Sourdough, just keep on nattering. I love your stories.

I've revised my comments above and added some links. The Thayer is a Pacific Coast lumber schooner, now at the Maritime Museum in San Francisco (where Liam's Brother is performing tomorrow).

I cleaned house last night and found my Starboard List CD, so I've posted the song at my Website. If you have RealPlayer G2, you can listen to it. I'm rather pleased with the way the page turned out.

Click here

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 12 Aug 01 - 10:38 PM

Sourdough, could that have been the last '60s? The Bluenose II was built in the early '60s.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Barry Finn
Date: 12 Aug 01 - 11:35 PM

Hi Joe, the L.A. Dunton (presently at Mystic Seaport Museum), the Ernestina & the Adventure (tied up in Gloucester) are all spoon nosed Grand Banks shcooners built in one of the many yards in the town Essex (next to Gloucester). From what I could see of the Columbia they'd probably be a close design. These 3 are of 6 remaining Grand Banks schooners, sorry Joe I don't know who the other 3 schooners are (I think one is in Essex being restored, don't remember her name). Barry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Barry Finn
Date: 12 Aug 01 - 11:43 PM

Hi Sourdough, they were in the mudbanks of Wascusset, (sp?) Maine. The larger of the 2 was the Luther Little (don't know the name of the smaller one) & up until a few years ago you could still see them, sadly they're gone now, being way beond help. Barry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 12:08 AM

yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 09:10 AM

Barry, the other Wiscasset schooner was the Hesper. Sadly the town never raised a cent for their preservation, or allocated some modest portion from their ill-gained Maine Yankee nuclear power plant tax dollars. Alas, now that Maine Yankee is being decommissioned the town residents are frantic about their tax burden; send your tax relief dollars to Town of Wiscasset, Town Hall, Wiscasset, ME 04578. Now that the remains of these two schooners has been hauled off to the dump, their bones are being recycled into to pen cartridges and other nicnacs.:-(

Another traditional fishing schooner that is being preserved is the Teressa E at the fisheries museum in Lunanburg; Vince Morash wrote a lovely song about her.


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Subject: ADD: Bluenose
From: GUEST,Reiver 2
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 10:17 PM

There have been references in this thread to the pride of Canada, the Bluenose. A few years ago a replica of the original Bluenose (said to be an exact replica) was built, also in Lunenberg, Nova Scotia. The Irish Rovers, based in British Columbia, did this song on their recording, "Tall Ships and Salty Dogs". I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that it was written by Will Millar now (alas!) retired, but for many years the leader of the Irish Rovers. It commemorates the building and launching of the NEW Bluenose. A great song, the lyrics go like this:

BLUENOSE

1) In the town of Lunenberg, down Nova Scotia way,
In 1921 on a windy day,
A sailing ship was born and the Bluenose was her name,
And you'll never see her kind again.

CHO: Bluenose, the ocean knows her name
Sailors know how proud a ship was she-e.
Bluenose, leaning in the wind,
Racing every wave on the sea.
2) For 25 long years she ruled the northern sea,
Riding like a Queen on the tide.
But in the Carribean one dark and stormy day,
She ran upon a reef... and died.

CHO:

3) Now just the other day, down Nova Scotia way,
In Lunenberg they christened a new ship.
Just like the old Bluenose, down to her very name,
The Bluenose lives and sails again.

CHO: (twice)

Haven't heard anything about her recently, but I think she's still sailing. Cheers!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Columbia
From: sciencegeek
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 07:52 PM

looking for the lyrics of Columbia that I found and now lost

Click here for song


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Subject: RE: Origins: Columbia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jun 22 - 12:40 AM

joe - do cleanup


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