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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 17 Sep 12 - 09:39 AM See, now if I wanted to play your ballgames, Saws, I could store part of your last post and, take it out of context and 3 years from now quote you as having written "God DAMN America"... I mean, you have no problems doing that to me... Get it, yet??? But here's the difference... For me to do that I'd have to become dishonest person and I ain't into doing that... You, however, have not a single honest bone in your body so you'd do it as easily as breathing... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 12 - 09:27 AM I wonder if anybody in the Mormon church ever said "God bless America? Naw, naw, naw -- God DAMN America!"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 17 Sep 12 - 09:15 AM Black folks aren't happy with Obama's stand on gay marriage, however, Obama will perform as well with the that block of voters as he did last time... The exceptions will be seen in states that have passed voter suppression laws... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Sep 12 - 08:10 AM African-American Christians waver over voteAP - Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. That's a worrisome message for the nation's first African-American president, who can't afford to lose any voters from his base in a tight race.The pastors say their congregants are asking how a true Christian could back same-sex marriage, as President Barack Obama did in May. As for Republican Mitt Romney, the first Mormon nominee from a major party, congregants are questioning the theology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its former ban on men of African descent in the priesthood. In 2008, Obama won 95 percent of black voters and is likely to get an overwhelming majority again. But any loss of votes would sting. "When President Obama made the public statement on gay marriage, I think it put a question in our minds as to what direction he's taking the nation," said the Rev. A.R. Bernard, founder of the predominantly African-American Christian Cultural Center in New York. Bernard, whose endorsement is much sought-after in New York and beyond, voted for Obama in 2008. He said he's unsure how he'll vote this year. It's unclear just how widespread the sentiment is that African-American Christians would be better off not voting at all. Many pastors have said that despite their misgivings about the candidates, blacks have fought too hard for the vote to ever stay away from the polls. Black church leaders have begun get-out-the-vote efforts on a wide range of issues, including the proliferation of state voter identification laws, which critics say discriminate against minorities. Last Easter Sunday, a month before Obama's gay marriage announcement, the Rev. Jamal-Harrison Bryant of Baltimore formed the Empowerment Network, a national coalition of about 30 denominations working to register congregants and provide them with background on health care, the economy, education and other policy issues. Yet, Bryant last month told The Washington Informer, an African-American newsweekly, "This is the first time in black church history that I'm aware of that black pastors have encouraged their parishioners not to vote." Bryant, who opposes gay marriage, said the president's position on marriage is "at the heart" of the problem. Bryant was traveling and could not be reached for additional comment, his spokeswoman said. The circumstances of the 2012 campaign have led to complex conversations about faith, politics and voting. The Rev. George Nelson Jr., senior pastor of Grace Fellowship Baptist Church in Brenham, Texas, participated in a conference call with other African-American pastors the day after Obama's announcement during which the ministers resolved to oppose gay marriage. Nelson said Obama's statement had caused a "storm" in the African-American community. Still, he said "I would never vote for a man like Romney," because Nelson has been taught in the Southern Baptist Convention that Mormonism is a cult. As recently as the 2008 GOP primaries, the SBC's Baptist Press ran articles calling the LDS church a cult. This year, however, prominent Southern Baptists have discouraged use of the term when addressing theological differences with Mormonism. Many Southern Baptist leaders have emphasized there are no religious obstacles to voting for a Mormon. Nelson planned to vote and has told others to do the same. He declined to say which candidate he would support. "Because of those that made sacrifices in days gone by and some greater than others with their lives. It would be totally foolish for me to mention staying away from the polls," he said in an email exchange. Romney has pledged to uphold conservative positions on social issues, including opposing abortion and gay marriage. But many black pastors worry about his Mormon beliefs. Christians generally do not see Mormonism as part of historic Christianity, although Mormons do. African-Americans generally still view the church as racist. When LDS leaders lifted the ban on blacks in the priesthood in 1978, church authorities never said why. The Mormon community has grown more diverse, and the church has repeatedly condemned racism. However, while most Christian denominations have publicly repented for past discrimination, Latter-day Saints never formally apologized. Bernard is among the traditional Christians who voted for Obama in 2008 and are now undecided because of the president's support for gay marriage. But Bernard is also troubled by Romney's faith. "To say you have a value for human life and exclude African-American human life, that's problematic," Bernard said, about the priesthood ban. "How can I judge the degree to which candidate Romney is going to allow his Mormonism to influence his policies? I don't know. I can't." Romney said in a 2007 speech that LDS authorities would have no influence on his policies as president. He also said he wept when he learned that the priesthood ban had been abolished because he was anxious for it to be lifted. But that has done little to change perceptions among African-Americans and others. "Obama was supposed to answer for the things that Rev. Wright said," said the Rev. Floyd James of the Greater Rock Missionary Baptist Church in Chicago, at a recent meeting of the historically black National Baptist Convention. "Yet here's a guy (Romney) who was a leader in his own church that has that kind of history, and he isn't held to some kind of account? I have a problem with that." Obama broke in 2008 with his longtime Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, after videos of his incendiary sermons were broadcast. Many Democrats and Republicans have argued that Romney's faith should be off limits. The Rev. Derrick Harkins, faith outreach director for the Democratic National Committee, travels around the country speaking to African-American pastors and other clergy. He said concerns over gay marriage have receded as other issues take precedence, and no pastors have raised Mormonism in their conversations with him about the two candidates. "There's just no space in this campaign for casting aspersions on anyone's faith," Harkins said in a phone interview. "It's not morally upright. It's not ethically appropriate." The Rev. Howard-John Wesley, who leads the Alfred Street Baptist Church in Alexandria, Va., said he is telling his congregants, "Let's not make the election a decision about someone's salvation." Last spring, when it became clear that Romney would be the GOP nominee, congregants starting asking about Mormonism, so Wesley organized a class on the faith. He said congregants ultimately decided that "we could not put Mormons under the boundaries of orthodox Christianity." But Wesley said, "I don't want Gov. Romney to have to defend the Mormon church, the way President Obama had to defend Jeremiah Wright." Wesley, whose congregation has more than 5,000 members, said he will be voting for Obama. The Rev. Lin Hill, an associate pastor of Bethany Baptist Church in Chesapeake, Va., said in a phone interview that he plans to travel with other local pastors to about 50 congregations over two weeks to hold discussions and distribute voter guides that will include a contrast between historic Christianity and Mormonism, and educate congregants about the former priesthood ban. Hill is active in his local Democratic Party but said he's acting independently of the campaign. He said Mormon theology becomes relevant when congregants argue that they can't vote for Obama because, as a Christian, he should have opposed gay marriage. "If you're going to take a tenet of a religion and let that dissuade you from voting, then we have to," discuss Mormon doctrine, Hill said. "We want folks to have a balanced view of both parties, but we can't do that without the facts." The Rev. Dwight McKissic, a prominent Southern Baptist and black preacher, describes himself as a political independent who didn't support Obama in 2008 because of his position on social issues. McKissic said Obama's support for same-gender marriage "betrayed the Bible and the black church." Around the same time, McKissic was researching Mormonism for a sermon and decided to propose a resolution to the annual Southern Baptist Convention that would have condemned Mormon "racist teachings." McKissic's Mormon resolution failed. On Election Day, McKissic said, "I plan to go fishing." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: gnu Date: 14 Sep 12 - 07:06 PM Another sorry ass excuse no mind rich boy lackey for President? Yee fellers had better wise up or we Canucks are gonna haffta come down there and ask youse if we can kick your ass. Don't say shit like that. That's some scarey shit, man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: pdq Date: 14 Sep 12 - 07:01 PM "...Obama will get 52-53% of the popular vote but in the all important electoral college he'll get 65% of the votes..." ~ B-pert No, the Nov. 6 election night results will be very close to the 2000 results, perhaps three or four states will be different. Romney needs to take Ohio, Iowa, Virginia and at least one other, maybe Colorado. Obama can count on New Mexico and probably Nevada. The "kicker" is Wisconsin which the GOP was hoping to put "in play" by picking Paul Ryan. I thought they would choose Marco Rubio, but Florida is safer for them than some think. Prediction: Romney by the smallest Electoral College margin possible. Senate: GOP pick up one for sure, maybe two, but "Dirty Hairy" Reid will still run the show for a few more years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: gnu Date: 14 Sep 12 - 06:33 PM Dunno what happened there... wasn't finished my post... soooo... (The existing rich of this country(s) cringe at paying a higher minimum wage even when there is poverty... EVEN WHEN THERE IS POVERTY. ) So, why would anyone bring in more poor? The illegal we can all understand. It's all done, both ways, for money. The legal? It's also money. Big dollars exchange hands in legal immigration. And the existing rich love it. They get richer and their government employee lackies do as well. It's win-win for the rich here and the rich they bring in. Not so much for the poor they bring in. And, CERTAINLY not for the existing poor and working poor here... they and their children along with the poor immigrants will be starved into going to war. Sound like crazy talk? Turn on the evening news. Bottom line... immigrants are used at present by the rich to keep the poor poor and keep the rich rich. Too bad it costs lives... lives of the poor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: gnu Date: 14 Sep 12 - 06:20 PM Q... "The economy is the real problem that must be tackled, immigration is a sideshow,..." Yes. No. Immigration, "illegal" or legal brings the very poor and the very rich to our country(s). Those rich take away jobs (businesses that people have struggled to build because they didn't have money in abundance)) and the poor get minimum wage. The existing rich of this country(s) cringe at paying a higher minimum wage even when there is poverty... EVEN WHEN THERE IS POVERTY. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 14 Sep 12 - 05:41 PM Obama will get 52-53% of the popular vote but in the all important electoral college he'll get 65% of the votes... Romney, in case anyone isn't noticing, is slipping with every stupid statement he makes... The on-the-fencer voters who have waiting to make up their minds are going to go overwhelmingly for Obama... Plus, The Dems will hold the Senate and cut into the Republican House majority by between 15 and 17 seats... This will send a most definite message to the Republicans that they need to behave more moderately and abandon the hostage taking strategy they have employed... In other words, govern and quit the with all the theatrics... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Wesley S Date: 14 Sep 12 - 03:56 PM Here's an interesting article from The Fiscal Times entitled: "Why Barack Obama Will Win The Election Easily". I hope he's right. Article Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:59 PM And I've heard Romney is planning to appoint Larry, Curly, and Moe to the Securities and Exchange Commission. They'll be so busy dope-slapping each other they'll never get around to regulating anything! Don Firth P. S. I do think, however, that introducing the dope-slap into American politics is a step in the right direction....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bill D Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:54 PM There has been muck talk about Romney's refusal to release more than 2 years of tax returns, with 'speculation' that it would show him not paying much...or not at all. I just had a thought....not even a direct speculation, but just a whimsical idea- what if 'paying a low tax rate' is the least of Romney's concerns? What if his total income were ..ummm... a lot more than his church thinks? (after all, a lot of his profits for many years is 'unavailable' for scrutiny) A Mormon is required to tithe (10%). I have this little scene running thru my head of the church saying.."Uhh... Mitt... your 'tithes', except for the last 2 years, figure out to more like 3%." Seems to me that would be WAY more awkward than simple 'legal' tax avoidance. Now... don't anyone say I actually believe this... it is just an amusing scenario.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Wesley S Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:30 PM It's the Mormontologists we have to worry about. Romney plans to make Tom Cruise the Sect. of Defense and John Travolta the Sect. of State. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Greg F. Date: 06 Sep 12 - 04:18 PM Rumor has it that Romney is secretly planning to wipe out the Mexican-U. S. border. Not only that, he's going to havd over the U.S. Gummint not to the U.N., but to the Mormon Church. Or was it to the Mexican Gummint? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 06 Sep 12 - 03:55 PM A co-worker pointed out an early speech by G W regarding the federal surplus and how they could give back $ to taxpayers and still pay off the deficit. Of course this was before he started 2 wars and let Congress remove many of the checks on monopolies ... you don't have to pass a law, just take away the funding for the watchdogs.... and put in your toadie to head the Agency. but speaking as aomeone old enough to remember what the Republican party was like 50 years ago... this ain't the party of Lincoln or even Rockerfeller. They sold themselves to the Conservatives for their votes... and I do not want to be in a land run by Christian fanatics who will deprive women of basic rights while protecting child molesting priest ( yeah, Catholic Bishops, if the shoe fits take it out of your mouthes)or rave about the sanctity of life but once that kid is born leave them and the family to make do as best they can. Right to Lifers want to impose their way on everyone else. Someone call up the spirit of George Orwell... let him know he was right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Wesley S Date: 06 Sep 12 - 08:26 AM By the way - I thought Clinton nailed it last night. And yes - I'm talking about his speech at the convention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,saulgoldie Date: 06 Sep 12 - 08:19 AM Mitt Rmoney visited his money in the Cayman Islands and didn't even bring me back a lousy T-shirt (nevermind rum)! Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,saulgoldie Date: 01 Aug 12 - 02:14 PM Been over a month since we "talked" about this. So... A Brit, A Jew, and a Polish guy walk into a bar and say, "Holy crap, Romney is a DOUCHE!" Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Jun 12 - 10:08 PM 'Q': "Illegal immigration has become a hot political whipping boy because it arouses the inherent paranoid-......" Well, because Obama just overstepped his Presidential powers to do what he did, to gain vote. The 'Separation of Powers' prohibits the president from doing what he did, and not running it through Congress. The whole rap about people re-acting accusing each other of 'bigotry' is just the emotionalizing of something that was done illegally, by one guy, rather than through the 'Representatives'. You're right though, the issue is employment..he SHOULD be doing something about it, right?..OK, explain how opening all that up, for UN-documented workers, here illegally, helps American citizens, who pay his salary?....and they don't get a say in it?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Jun 12 - 05:35 PM Watch out!! Your neighbor is descended from an immigrant. Romney has relatives in a Mormon settlement in Mexico. Rumor has it that Romney is secretly planning to wipe out the Mexican-U. S. border. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Greg F. Date: 22 Jun 12 - 05:16 PM You bet, PeeDee - the figures from that lunatic anti-immigration site MUST be the correct ones. After all "Government is the Problem", right Ronnie?, |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Stringsinger Date: 22 Jun 12 - 03:51 PM Does anyone see a connection between Romney and Mussolini? Both were corporatists who saw corporations as dominating government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Jun 12 - 01:03 PM Illegal immigration has become a hot political whipping boy because it arouses the inherent paranoid-somebody is taking my job feelings in those who are hard hit by the downturn in the economy of the U. S. and other countries caused by the out-of-control banking system and people buying whst they couldn't afford. The economy is the real problem that must be tackled, immigration is a sideshow, but there is no consensus on how to reverse the downturn. Tighten government belts by cutting services? Put start-up funds into business and temporarily increase the debt? Rebuild infrastructure by increasing incentives to business? Asia has taken advantage of the failures in the U.S. (and other) system, and the west is losing its dominance. California is suffering from its over-expansion using borrowed money and banking on what the English once called the never-never policy of hoping the future will be better and that money grows on trees. Perhaps the Latino takeover of southern California will increase growth of the economy there, much as Cuban energy has improved southern Florida. I am a former New Mexican, and follow developments there; fearing that the paranoidal divisions and bigotry in Arizona will spread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Jun 12 - 06:49 AM When I first saw the figures on 'Q's post, I thought "What a crock of shit!"....then I saw pdq's, and thought "Is it THAT much now....?" ..Because I remember, back in '05, it was pretty mush known that it was between 14-16 million. Pdq, have you been to L.A. recently?..Phoenix?...Tucson?? I have....it's unbelievable, that our government would be so permissive about the living conditions, not to mention, how OUR citizens are intimidated, because there is two sets of rules...and they feel so unsafe. Southern California is lost, compared to what it used to be...and if anybody wants to argue that, obviously, and without a doubt, they do not know what they're talking about! Not biased against Mexicans, however, when you've seen, first hand, the difference, from before and after, you would not have even be having this discussion! ...neither would we be having it, if the government wasn't so disloyal to humans...first to the citizens, that they are supposed to protect and represent, and second, to be so absolutely negligent, in providing a more efficient way of handling the ones coming in, as far as documentation, (work permits, green cards,collection of taxes etc etc). The double standard for illegals vs our own citizens is, at best, shameful and telling. This is not saying it's Obama's fault...Bush was the same way..then send guns to them, while using the issue, of the government giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, while wanting to restrict guns to it's own citizen???? Who the hell they think they're kidding??? Illegals, getting better college tuition rates, than the citizens, who actually pay the taxes, that support the school??? No way, the bleeding hearts are going to make ANY salient case about this. This is a national disgrace!..Arizona passing laws that is already on the books....but just not enforced?? So let's ALL get to pick one law we can ignore! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: pdq Date: 21 Jun 12 - 06:25 PM For political purposes, the Executive Branch doctors data such as unemployment and illegal alien population numbers. The Feds say unemployment is 8.1% but is really about 17%. They say illegals from Mexico are 12 million from one branch of government and a ridiculous 6.8 million from another branch. Here is a site with a more honest opinion... http://www.immigrationcounters.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Jun 12 - 03:11 PM Deparment of Homeland Security, Office of Immigration Statistics. California- 2,600,000 illegal in 2009, 6.8% of California population. Los Angeles County, estimated 704,000 using the 6.8% figure. Across the United States, est 6.7 million illegal immigrants from Mexico. http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im04a.htm California unemployment 11% of labor force, U. S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, June 15, 2012. In 2001, 4.7% of labor force unemployed, which is probably the minimum, and probably represents mostly those too unskilled to hold any job (unfortunately, too many Americans are too poorly educated or unmotivated, and will never hold permanent or useful employment) History hows almost none of non-farm labor will accept farm labor. California labor force 18.5 million in 2012; 14.2 million non-farm. (U.S. Bureau of labor Statistics- http://www.bis.gov/eag/eag.ca.htm). 11% of 18.5 million approx. 2 million; 11% of 14.2 million approx. 1.6 million. The problem is estimating how many of the illegal 2.6 million are taking those 2 million jobs. Remember, about 4.5% of this job number are essentially unemployable. Many of the illegals are "taking in each other' washing;" food services, stores catering to latinos only, etc.; many are in the farming category in jobs that non-farm labor won't take; others are students, children of the illegals and legally minors who cannot work, wives of working illegals, etc. The number of illegals available and/or capable of taking jobs away from California citizens arguably is small. The 6.7 million Mexican illegals is less than 2% of the American population. Many return to Mexico when they make enough money to live comfortably in their homeland. Granting citizenship to those who have made a home in the U.S. would have little effect on employment figures. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: pdq Date: 21 Jun 12 - 12:57 PM People who lived in Los Angeles 50 years ago had to put up with smog, but it was a thriving area and a great place to live. Now it's "Hell A". A noisy, violent, dirty, crime infested place. Mexican street gangs are so dominant that Blacks are running away by the tens of thousands, often back to friendlier cities like Huston and Atlanta. Not everone in the US understands how bad things are. Alaska has no more than 5,000 illegals from Mexico and Maine has about 1,000. They do various labor jobs and are beneficial overall, in those states. On the other hand, the Lower Rio Grande Valley has been destroyed from and ecological standpoint and southern California has been destroyed from a cultural one. What is he current Executive Branch's plan to address the problem? Ship 4,600 military arms to Mexican drug cartels!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 12 - 11:53 AM Thank you, pdq, for the updated figures. The ones I had were more dated....when it was already too far out of hand! I just haven't followed it all, because after a certain amount of disregard for our laws, by the government, you just figure nobody gives a shit, and they're not going to do squat about it....thanks to Rockefeller/Clinton's NAFTA crap...Now Obama is doing the same stuff, with the Asian Pacific very secret deals..that BTW Romney supports to. ....and they try to convince us that there is actually a difference??????????...Only the blind fools believe that charade! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: pdq Date: 21 Jun 12 - 11:40 AM Maria Sharapova, the 'Russian' tennis star, has lived in Florida since age 7, and is one of those who could be fast tracked to citizenship. ~ Q Oh, bunk. Maria Sharpova's father applied and was granted visas for himself and Maria. They came here legally in 1994. Her mother arrived in 1996. Obama's executive order applies to illegal aliens. California alone has 12 million illegal aliens, mostly from Mexico. Texas has another 8 million. Since the Legislative Branch has exclusive power to write laws, the Executive Order is blatantly unconstitutional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 12 - 01:20 AM I wasn't going to even 'go on' about that last post....the whole comment I was responding to, was just so dumb, that I wasn't going to even address it....but..... When I originally came on, I was going to direct the post to little Hawk and Don Firth....because, when I originally commented on perhaps another third candidate emerging....in light of what is going on with the scandal-s, there might just be a slot open to do just that. Obama is crash and burning, in the polls....Romney is still not enjoying enthusiastic support...more like a "Well, at least he isn't Obama" type support....I'm going to just sit tight, and wait, and see if another pops up. Hillary is a farce,BTW..you might as well vote George W. back in, because they are close buds, politically...or should I say financially? ..or both....yeah, that's far more accurate.....So, let's see. I think Don and I yakked about it no more than two weeks ago, and LH & I more like a few moths ago. we just have to see who they pick, to liquidate assets of the country(Romney)...or maybe even a sincere person, for a change, who would HAVE to run on a third party. You just never know........for sure, anyway. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 12 - 01:05 AM Q: "guest GooFuS continues to display his ignorance." ...and you, your Jones to take a stupid shot. Jeez...one rich, producing tennis star, is a little different that 800,000 poor immigrants...as far as taking jobs away from 'average' American citizens...That's not to say she's better or worse, or more entitled or not....not like 15 MILLION wandering job seekers....and you know the really ironic thing?.....Did the EPA ever get an environmental impact study, in regards to, say Los Angeles, for 4 million people just moving in??..Shit, you can't even dig holes some places, or plan a building without those weenies having to have an environmental study...and not that long ago, while in L.A...in the valley, I turned off a main drag, that had a lot of stores on it, and had to circle the block, to get to where I was going...and just ONE block off the main drag, there were all these apartment buildings, with tricket stands in the front yard, with barely clothed dirty kids, running around a lot of seedy looking beer drinking, guys laying around drunk, on the porches and what used to be lawns...and a bazillion of them. the place was looking somewhat a cross between, Tijuana and a ghetto....and LOTS of people just milling about..in filth....I'm sorry that I can't adequately describe the conditions of the apartments and filth, here(I'm not going to spend the time)...anyway, nobody is bugging them about the environment, and the disease, and living conditions there. Maybe those things should be taken into consideration, before we just open our borders up, with no adequate 'accommodations'......versus one tennis player, who has the means to support herself, and not suck off the system, nor screw up the place??...by being here ILLEGALLY, as well????? have another hit! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Jun 12 - 01:27 PM Maria Sharapova, the 'Russian' tennis star, has lived in Florida since age 7, and is one of those who could be fast tracked to citizenship. She averages $27 million a year in income. What does the U.S. gain from her skills? Her skills are not mirrored by any out-of-work U.S. citizen and her fortune and marketing skills (with Nike) add to the economy. Entrepreneurs admitted under the program create jobs and add to U.S. tax income. These people do not displace unemployed Americans. guest GooFuS continues to display his ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,saulgoldie Date: 20 Jun 12 - 12:43 PM I would like to quell a vicious rumor circulating that Romney is a unicorn. It is just a rumor, pure and simple. At least, that is what I heard. Of course, we are not totally sure without...the l-o-n-g pictures of his shaved head to be sure that he didn't have his mono-horn (or pair of horns, either, for that matter!) removed in a secret medical facility in France when he was there "selling" Mormonism. Naturally, of course, if he DID have that done--and I am not saying he did--it would have been covered by their health care, which covers far more than "Romneycare" or its unloved child "Obamacare." But I digress... Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jun 12 - 01:12 AM Q: "Dunno what guest finds in that report that bears on the election." When unemployment for our own citizens is how it is, it's rather revealing to actually SEE the policies that are implemented, in contrast to the promises, that got him elected. Import workers???..Maybe someone could find that missing and unaccounted for trillion dollars, to put our own citizens back to work...after all, it was OUR federal tax money that paid for it, to be used for our benefit...not the coddling and placating of other countries, for their economies......isn't that fair to say? Now this is a pretty good general rule...: "The guy who wins elections is the one with better and the more convincing lies." GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Sawzaw Date: 19 Jun 12 - 07:50 PM West Virginia Democrats steer clear of their party's national convention As he geared up for a contentious election in November 2011, Democrat Joe Manchin demonstrated his independence from his party by shooting a hole through a printed copy of the cap-and-trade bill in a Senate race ad. This year, Sen. Manchin, along with several other West Virginia Democrats running for re-election, are engaging in another free-spirited move: They will skip the Democratic Convention entirely. On Monday, the West Virginia Democratic Party announced when it released its delegation plans that Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin, Manchin and Rep. Nick Rahall all plan to bow out of this summer's convention in Charlotte, N.C., Sept. 3-6. That means none of the three Democrats will help formally nominate the president. "I intend to spend this fall focused on the people of West Virginia, whether that's representing them in my official duties or here at home, where I can hear about their concerns and ideas to solve the problems of this great nation," Manchin said in a statement. "I will remain focused on bringing people together for the next generation, not the next election." State party Chairman Larry Puccio downplayed the lawmakers' decisions on Tuesday during an interview with West Virginia's MetroNews Talkline. "In the past, if you look at Republican conventions or Democrat conventions, you see some of the folks that are able to attend, some that are not. That's up to them as individuals and candidates," Puccio said. But Republicans and others view the lawmakers' decisions as clear efforts to distance themselves from a president who remains unpopular in their state. Federal prisoner Keith Judd made national headlines last month when he earned a surprising 4 out of 10 votes against President Barack Obama in West Virginia's Democratic presidential primary. "We all know the only reason they're refusing to attend the DNC Convention is they're afraid to tell the people of West Virginia who they support for President, and any attempt to suggest otherwise is political spin aimed at purposefully misleading the voters," Conrad Lucas, chairman of the West Virginia Republican Party said in a statement. "We have a governor who is so afraid of his party bosses that he refuses to answer the simple question of whether or not another 4-year term for Barack Obama is good for our state," Republican gubernatorial nominee Bill Maloney said of Tomblin in a statement. Similar criticisms were voiced in and outside the state. All three Democrats who are skipping the convention are up for re-election this fall. Manchin has drawn repeated questions for choosing to remain mum on whether he will actually support the president's re-election campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jun 12 - 01:57 PM GoofuS, this is relevant how? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Jun 12 - 12:11 PM Dunno what guest finds in that report that bears on the election. Canada also has a program that gives foreign enterpreneurs/investors and those with exceptional or useful skills a fast track to possible citizenship in the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Jun 12 - 11:52 AM Remember when I posted several times about Jeff Immelt being Obama's 'jobs czar'....and, of course we are DEFINITELY having unemployment problems in our country, aren't we?...So check this one out" ...shovel ready jobs????????????????????????????? OK, Bobert, Don and JtS....hop on your merry-go-round and turn up the speed, to spin as fast as it'll go! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Jun 12 - 09:20 PM Well, maybe if you took the ring out of the nose, before you cut it off...... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bill D Date: 18 Jun 12 - 08:01 PM "President Obama must be defeated in the coming election," Unger said.." Does the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" have a certain ring to it? Or even, if you MUST think that way..."Lesser of two evils"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Wesley S Date: 18 Jun 12 - 05:13 PM Probably Unger |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 18 Jun 12 - 02:28 PM So who does UNGER recommend? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Sawzaw Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:28 AM Obama's former professor says he 'must not' win in 2012 Harvard Law School professor Roberto Unger, who taught President Barack Obama classes such as Jurisprudence and Reinventing Democracy, said last month that his former student has betrayed liberals and should lose the presidency in November. "President Obama must be defeated in the coming election," Unger said in a sit-down video posted to his YouTube account in May, which also attacked the Republican party. "If [The Republicans] had their way, inequality would be even greater than it is now," Unger said, before acknowledging that a Romney win would lead to some undesirable "judicial and administrative appointments." But those costs, to Unger, pale in comparison to the risks of an Obama second term. "The Democratic Party has no new direction. … [Obama] has failed to advance the progressive cause," Unger said. "He has spent trillions of dollars to rescue the moneyed interests and left workers and homeowners to their own devices."... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Bobert Date: 16 Jun 12 - 07:14 PM Strings, We don't know the folks who are buying the 2012 election... The Supreme Clowns don't think we deserve to know that... Can't boycott Casper the Ghost... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 16 Jun 12 - 03:08 PM And arm yourself against being hoodwinked without being aware of it. Read the following book: Don't Thing of an Elephant!, by George Lakoff. New York Times Best Seller!An example of the sort of thing—framing—that Lakoff delineates is the oft-used expression "tax burden." Taxes are the dues one pays for living in a civilized (one hopes!) society, and having such conveniences as building and maintaining public roads and bridges, fire and police departments to come to one's rescue in times of emergencies, and maintaining armed forces to protect the country from external threats. These necessities, along with providing free or low cost education to (hopefully) maintain an educated and informed electorate, and if the health care issue can get through an anti-citizen Congress, provide health care to those who either cannot afford it or must spend large amounts of their income for private health insurance, thereby helping the United States to join the other civilized countries of the world. Those who benefit the most—the wealthiest Americans—should at least pay their fair share of those dues. But framing the paying of those taxes—dues—as a "burden" turns a positive into a negative, and implies that the wealthy need relief from this burden. This "tax relief" slogan was a major part of convincing people to accept Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, along with the "trickle down" canard, which simply does not happen (such savings, rather than being used to create new jobs, tend to flow to banks in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands) and are a major aspect of the "voodoo economics" of Ronald Reagan. "Tax relief" is only one of the framing scams that Lakoff warns about. Figuring out how to frame arguments this way is one of the things that all these well-funded conservative think-tanks do. Read the book. MOST enlightening, and you'll listen to political speeches, and the news, with new ears! Synopsis and reviews HERE. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Stringsinger Date: 16 Jun 12 - 11:07 AM Whoever wins, the election will be a farce. The system is broken. The votes will probably be rigged as in Bush v. Gore. "Citizens United" has ruined our democracy. The "lesser of two evils" view predominates political thinking in the US today as it has in the past. Solution: 1. Boycott products made by corporations that infuse money into candidates. 2. Don't listen to Mainstream Media and expect to have valid information. Seek alternate sources. 3. Be careful of religious jingoism such as "anti-Christ" or anti-gay talk. 4. Work locally in your community to change the system. 5. Speak out against oppression. 6. When voting, don't expect too much. Do it because it's the American thing to do. 6. Woody used to say, "This machine licks fascists". More songs! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Don Firth Date: 16 Jun 12 - 02:04 AM GoofuS, I posed a question to you a few posts up. This is yet another that you're going to duck, isn't it!? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jun 12 - 01:18 AM ...and Silly, I'm only on THREE threads!..and posted a joke on the 'Mother' (TIA is awaiting my post on another one, but that one, I'll need to focus primarily on).........THREE Threads!! .................Get over yourself! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jun 12 - 12:50 AM Maybe if you got the ones that you got taken off, we could have intelligently looked into them.....but, from what you've exhibited, if intelligence isn't removed, then you've got nothing to say! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Jun 12 - 11:23 PM Are we still remotely near the topic here? I hate to see GFS flogging a post for days and days. It bodes ill for the subject. SRS |
