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BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011

olddude 19 Mar 11 - 04:05 PM
Little Hawk 19 Mar 11 - 04:06 PM
BTNG 19 Mar 11 - 04:11 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 19 Mar 11 - 04:42 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 19 Mar 11 - 04:45 PM
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Arthur_itus 19 Mar 11 - 05:36 PM
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GUEST,999 19 Mar 11 - 05:41 PM
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Subject: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: olddude
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 04:05 PM

CNN just reporting tomahawk cruise missiles attacking Tripoli from US warships ... My God


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 04:06 PM

What would their objective be in doing that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: BTNG
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 04:11 PM

their objective...simple...proving once again that the USA can't mind it's own business...and then wonder why the likes of 911 happened


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 04:42 PM

Sarkozy talking on Youtube


BBC News


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 04:45 PM

Live Newsfeed on the BBC


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: kendall
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:06 PM

Just what we don't need, another illegal goddamn war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: bobad
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:07 PM

It is being reported that 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched at 20 targets, those being missile defense systems around Tripoli and Misurata.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:21 PM

110 cruise missles ... here we go again.

20th century solutions for 21st cenrury problems.

not all of those 110 missiles will make an accurate hit.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:30 PM

Well that's just tough isn't it. Gadaffi deserves a good biffing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:36 PM

Don't mind Gadaffi getting a good biffing, but tehre will probaly be a lot of innocent people killed.

I thought there was an air ban only.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: BTNG
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:37 PM

can a land invasion be far behind?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: bobad
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:40 PM

In order to enforce an air ban the air defense systems have to be taken out -- those were the target of the missile strikes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:41 PM

Sad, yet again the policemen of the world go in guns blazing.

We will pay a high price for this, starting with £2.00 a litre at the pumps within two weeks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:41 PM

Won't be a land invasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: gnu
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:45 PM

Smoke and mirrors at the cost of lives. Quackdaffy is a puppet and he dances well for the puppetmasters. While innocent people die. It's sickening.

Kendall... illegal war... worse than that IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: bobad
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:54 PM

illegal war???

It is the imposition of a no fly zone sanctioned by the UN security council, the Arab League and the Gulf Cooperation Council.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:02 PM

Yeah. Let the bastard who was involved in the Lockerbie bombing kill his own people. As least we'll have clean hands. Our consciences may suffer a bit, but wtf, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:03 PM

The last thing we need tonight is to become involved in another theatre of war. Ground troops will go in at some point.

Can you pay for a war on a credit card ???


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:08 PM

Bobad ....   "sanctioned by the UN security council, the Arab League and the Gulf Cooperation Council"

Now that this has been sanctioned ... who's next on the list ... Israel ??

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:17 PM

Proxy civil war launched by sympathizers of a foreign power. When they start losing the sponsoring power moves in.

The US is annexing the Sudetenland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: bobad
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:31 PM

"Now that this has been sanctioned ... who's next on the list ... Israel ??"

I am somehow reminded of the non-interventionists who stood by clucking their tongues as the Jewish population of Europe was nearly exterminated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:32 PM

clarification on my post above.

Now that that the U.S. has been sanctioned for the go ahead to revenge Gaddafi ... who says the mideast countries cannot have revenge on Israel.

revenge ... an evil human primitive action.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:53 PM

With this military intervention by the U.S., U.K. France in Libya, the whole situation in the mideast will not only get more complicated but the violence against humanity will certainly worsen.


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: BTNG
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 07:09 PM

"I am somehow reminded of the non-interventionists who stood by clucking their tongues as the Jewish population of Europe was nearly exterminated"

Right, and what was it the Allied military powers did to alleviate the situation? The word nothing raises its ugly head. Anti-Semetism wasn't just a disease found amongst The Axis Powers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: skipy
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 07:40 PM

This one is a "legal" war, bring it on! 110 is just a start.
Skipy
Full of the joys of spring.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 07:49 PM

Protesters have staged rallies around the world to voice their anger as the Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip entered a third week.

Palestinian militants in Gaza have fired dozens of missiles into southern Israel in what appears to be their heaviest such barrage in two years.

The Pentagon said more than 100 Tomahawk cruise missiles from U.S. and British ships and submarines had been fired at 20 targets. The Western coalition is reportedly targeting Libyan air defences, especially around Tripoli and the west Libyan city of Misrata.

now ... whose right and whose wrong ... who is legal and who is illegal

yup ... "This one is a "legal" war, bring it on!" Sadly it is sounding more like ... This is all out war ... bring it on baby !

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 07:57 PM

btw ... me above ... "bring it on baby" ... I'm being sarcastic ....doing a General Buck Turgidson there ... sadly there are still too many wannabe (and real) General Buck Turgidson around these days.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:02 PM

Meanwhile we have a pretty-definitely-indigenous resistance movement crushed by an invading armed force from a neighbouring repressive dictatorship.

Is the US going to send their Tomahawks to Saudi Arabia in support of the Bahreini resistance? Are they fuck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:06 PM

No, and probably the French Mirages and Canadian F-18s won't show up either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:10 PM

Tripoli city not attacked, but military bases outside the city were dusted.

(Slow in getting the operations underway, but seem to be speeding up now that the Canadians are on the way).


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: skipy
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:11 PM

Revenge for 9/11 & 7/7, they begged for it, now they are getting it!
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: olddude
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:14 PM

It doesn't matter what political party wins. The only thing that changes in the White House is the suit, and what guy is wearing it. It is about oil .

Decades come and decades go
and still our children die


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:20 PM

Yeah. Let the bastard who was involved in the Lockerbie bombing kill his own people."

Yeah, well, the bastard who you think was involved in the Lockerbie bombing almost certainly wasn't. You, and anyone else who thinks that Megrahi was guilty, seriously need to do some research. Had Megrahi gone to appeal instead of being released on compassionate grounds he would almost certainly have been pardoned. That path was denied him by our stupid legal system. And it's clear to anyone with a brain that Colonel Gadaffi "admitted" to Libya's involvement for purely cynical, expedient reasons, to get sanctions lifted and to get himself back into the bosom of the family of nations. The sooner the west, particularly the yanks, start to lose this lynch-mob mentality and start to look honestly at the facts of the case, the quicker the victims of Lockerbie will truly get justice. They certainly haven't got it now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:32 PM

I don't think it is just about oil. It's the threat of a good example. Compare some health statistics, from WHO:

Libya

Saudi Arabia

Libya has half the per capita income of Saudi Arabia, and spends proportionately less of its GDP on health care, but has life expectancy a few years greater and substantially lower infant mortality.

That's what egalitarianism does. The US isn't going to allow it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:35 PM

Strange that the U.N. didn't launch this humanitarian mission years ago to defend Palestinians being murdered by the 51st state of America.

The current situation in Libya It is costing us approximately £17 million an hour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:41 PM

Well said, Richie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:48 PM

Funny...those missiles came from US and BRITISH ships and submarines. The first air flights French. Jets from Denmark and Canada are on their way to bases in Italy. Both Germany and the Arab League are supporting this UN-sanctioned action.

Personally, I think this whole thing is wrong. But don't go putting all the blame on the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: bobad
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 08:54 PM

Rap, I believe Germany abstained from voting on the Security Council resolution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: MarkS
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 10:13 PM

Phil Ochs was right.

"We're the cops of the world."


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 10:26 PM

I'm not going to touch this thread with a ten-foot pole.

See you all later.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: J-boy
Date: 19 Mar 11 - 10:45 PM

I'm so sick of this shit it makes me want to head out for the hills and hang with Jeremiah Johnson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 01:03 AM

"You skin this and I'll go get you another."


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:24 AM

"Yeah, well, the bastard who you think was involved in the Lockerbie bombing almost certainly wasn't"

First, you have no idea what I think.

Second, the bastard I was referring to was Gaddafi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 03:27 AM

Still not sure why the UN has gone into Libya, yet remains deaf, blind and very dumb over Zimbabwe and Mugabe who's killed so many of his own people...

Isn't it weird though, that the countries we always seem to invade have something we want, whilst those who don't are allowed to continue their atrocities unabated...

The Causes of War are nearly as slippery as Oil itself.....


Sorry, People of Zimbabwe, we WOULD come and help, but er...we're fighting this Oil War at present, but don't panic, try to hold on, because we'll be there soon as we can..........


Meanwhile, back in the Middle East the soft mumblings of 'jihad' will soon rise to an almighty "****JIHAD!!!*****" as the Mighty Mullahs whip their people up into a foaming frenzy against the Wicked Witches & Wizards of the West.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 03:27 AM

At least two corrupt political systems hoping for a "Falklands bounce".


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:20 AM

Considering how much Britain is in debt and how much cost cutting is happening here, I question the UK being involved at all,aprt from giving the OK.

Who will pay for this Mr Cameron?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:07 AM

And when the US, overextended and hated falls under inflation and the weight of the evil it does overseas and at home, how quickly will Americans turn on each other and point fingers, rather than demanding now, the we stop using war to suddunly bolster up our endangered ecconomy.
How strange that just as the US becomes unsure of its ability to maintain its position as the reserve currency, we begin to make war around the world - folks we dealt with for years and excused their evil are now in our gunsites... not every where mind you, but in the places which are questioning using the US dollar as their transactional currency.
It is time to put some leaders on trial for the crime of killing people in lands with which we have no declaired war. We talk of the UN giving this murder sanction, but what about individuals we are killing in Pakistan, kidnapping in Italy... this has become a lawless nation and the real Nevel Chamberlands are the ones who excuse the actions of this nation.
Germany called all its expantionist actions justified by past wrongs. We are a nation tottering on ecconomic disaster responding by war. Just as in the gulf of Tonkin, we can always find or make excuses to go to war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:24 AM

March 19, 2003 - Bush / Iraq
March 19, 2011 - Obama / Libya

I believe some things don't Change


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Allan Conn
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:45 AM

"I believe Germany abstained from voting on the Security Council resolution."

Britain and 'unusually' France have been advocators of action. Germany like Russia, China, Brazil and India did abstain from the vote. No-one voted against it and of course wouldn't a Russian or Chinese no vote be a veto on the action itself? Germany seems disinclined to be involved directly but Chancellor Merkel has hinted at offers of help - one of which possibly would be deploying more troops in Afghanistan to free up some there. The African and Middle-Eastern countries on the council at the moment all voted for the resolution and the Arab League were calling for it. So whatever one thinks about the action itself I think it is a bit unfair if some use it as another opportunity for a round of American bashing


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Brian May
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 06:08 AM

Well, without being emotional.

In order to enforce THIS No-Fly Zone (which historically don't actually seem to do much good), you need to be able to enforce it.

In enforcing it then Air Superiority is essential. You do NOT have Air Superiority if your enforcing aircraft are susceptible to SAM attack/defence (depending on your viewpoint).

Libya has quite sophisticated ground to air defence which includes Command and Control assets in addition to the missiles and AAA - plus their ability to service, re-supply and repair them.

It is these that would be attacked (and the cynic in me thinks there may just be one or two other 'targets').

Above are facts. What makes me squirm are the photos of Tony Bliar and Gaddafi having a cuddle not too long ago. How we (the Brits) welcomed this pariah in from the cold. Most rank and file Brits found that embarrassing and distasteful - without the PANAM bomber stuff, that just made it worse.

Now we're attacking our 'good mate' because he's vowed to show no mercy to his (revolting, as he sees it) population.

Notice the consistency of the UN here. How quickly was this resolution of legality passed? Look how quickly they responded to Darfur (oops did I say that?).

The cynic in me thinks the only missing ingredient to the genocide 'we' so quickly reacted to in Darfur is OIL.

But I'm sure our public servants wouldn't be so shallow . . .


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