BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 02:05 PM

Here's a chilling Al Jazeera video report about 10,000 drums of radioactive yellow cake recently discovered by Rebels in a warehouse near Sabah: click here for report!

Gadhafi swore that all of his radioactive supplies were turned over to international authorities. I guess he was not telling the whole truth.

There are also sinister looking shells or warheads in the warehouses that may contain poisonous gas.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 08:15 AM

akenaton-

Well, I was just trying to provide you something to nibble on, and McCain was there!

McCain became oddly silent after calling for early intervention. Now that it looks as if the NATO intervention has reinforced the Rebel effort enough to topple Gadhafi, McCain is there to take his share of credit.

What's McCain's position on Syria?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 03:12 AM

I think we've heard all that before Charley.
It's so bloody depressing!`

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 08:34 PM

Rebels still maintain control over Sirte airport.

Jumping a little late onto the bandwagon Sen. John McCain arrived in Tripoli proclaiming:

"Libyan people have inspired the world, the sacrifice of the Libyan people give Libyans a lasting chance for peace," he said at a news conference.

"The next few month will shape the future. The NTC will announce a new cabinet and it is important for it to be inclusive of all.

"It is important of the NTC to bring in any armed groups under its responsible authority. They also need to bring Gaddafi and his family to justice.

So it goes.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 11:03 PM

Interesting article from Der Spiegel ... for those that may be interested

A Questionable Form of Freedom for North Africa

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 04:19 PM

Nothing is "rosey" about the fighting to take control of Sirte. Here an update from Al Jazeera:

Forces loyal to Libya's interim government say they have captured the airport in Sirte, the birthplace of the former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

Fighters belonging to National Transitional Council said on Wednesday they were in control of the airport after intense fighting in the coastal city, one of the last of two bastions of support for the deposed Libyan leader.

Sirte has withstood a siege by NTC fighters hitting it with tank and rocket fire as well as NATO air raids.

But intense sniper and artillery fire from pro-Gaddafi forces has so far prevented NTC forces from taking Sirte, despite more than two weeks of fighting and two full-on assaults.

Al Jazeera's Zeina Khodr, reporting from the city, said the latest seizure by NTC forces marked the capture of a strategic site.


"Anti-Gaddafi fighters seem to be in control of Sirte airport, a very strategic location; they have been receiving help from NATO," she said.

But our correspondent said that NTC fighters have not been able to hold territory inside Sirte.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 11:49 AM

The view of Fidel Castro Ruz

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 11:40 AM

Here come the Tuaregs!!

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 07:55 AM

Muammar Gaddafi is believed to be hiding near the western Libyan town of Ghadamis under the protection of Touareg tribesmen, a senior Libyan military official said.

"One tribe, the Touareg, is still supporting him and he is believed to be in the Ghadamis area in the south," Hisham Buhagiar, a senior military official of the Libya's new leadership, told Reuters.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 11:15 AM

The question being begged here is what happens to Libya when the TNC takes over?
"New boss, same as the old boss?"

The Egyptians made a fatal decision to throw their revolution to their military, an institution not known for honoring democratic values but autocratic ones.

Does anyone really think you can bomb democracy into being?
There was the rise of post-war Germany but it took a long time for them to climb out from under the rubble. There was the stain of Dresden.

The problem is this: America supports dictators until they overstep their authority by
threatening America, then the support is dramatically overturned. 1. Gadaffi 2. Osama
(during the days of the Mujadaheen), 3. Noriega 4. Suharto 5. Papa Doc and Baby Doc
6. Saddam Hussein 7.Chiang Kai-shek.....the list goes on.

"The dictator is dead...long live the dictator......" (U.S. foreign policy).

Then what kind of nation supports "Guantanamo"?

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:03 AM

To be honest, media are less rosy here in reporting the news, during the weekend there were interviews with soldiers on the front line in Sirte, saying they were only ever going to make any headway there if heavy weaponry and leadership would be come available, printed media report powerstruggles and cracks in the alliance

Pretty much what can be expected and hopefully all that will be overcome but there are certainly a few bumps in the road that have yet to be taken.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:45 AM

There is a major problem of racism/ethnic strife that has long historical roots in Libya (and other countries in North Africa). Thousands of Black Africans from Southern Libya and from adjacent countries worked as migrant labor in the North, and some also worked as mercenaries, doing the dirtiest work for the Gadhafi regime. No one should be surprised or shocked to find them mistreated at this point by some Rebels.

It is to their credit that the Rebel leadership, imperfect as it is, has urged restraint against such reprisals.

So, no, "we" haven't created another disaster. What you (Akenaton) could have said is that "we" have helped create conditions in which reprisals can be expected, and in some cases have been documented. And then I would agree with you.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:51 AM

Re mistreatment of black Africans the leadership have over and over stressed that this kind of vigilantism must be stopped and will be looked into by the new government. They have also ensured Amnesty International that they will look into any misdeeds carried out by their own forces.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 06:35 AM

"has started".    Don't you ever do any research?   Bad feelings between Arabs and blacks are not exactly new.   Didn't start in 2011--except in your alternate universe.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 03:36 AM

The abuse and murder of black african migrant workers has started in the new Libya.

I think we have created another disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 07:24 PM

Dick-

"the West is not in the least concerned about toppling tyrants, unless the West benefits in a particular way."

I couldn't agree with you more, and it's sad about those other unfortunate countries. Do you know of any powerful country anywhere on this globe that has a good record of helping overthrow tyrants?

Tanzania once helped chase Idi Amin out of Uganda but it's hardly a powerful country.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 04:52 PM

Stringsinger-

Not as messy as Iraq or Afghanistan, but then I've a wishy washy liberal, rather than a dedicated Trotskyite. It must be great to have such moral quality.

So, shall I assume that you would still advocate that no intervention was called for in Libya or will you actually defend your position, given what we have learned about the Gadhafi regime?

Charley Noble
I will defend it, because when it suits the west they support tyrants or take no action, this proves to me that the West is not in the least concerned about toppling tyrants, unless the West benefits in a particular way.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 01:29 PM

Rebels are renewing their attempt to "liberate" Sirte from Gadhafi loyalists:

Fighters supporting Libya's interim government have raced into the eastern outskirts of Sirte backed by NATO warplanes and are fighting street-to-street battles with loyalists of Muammar Gaddafi in his home town.

Thick black smoke billowed into the air as National Transitional Council (NTC) fighters battled at a roundabout about 2km from the centre of the key town on Monday.

The thud of large explosions could be heard as NATO aircraft roared overhead, but NATO would not comment on latest operations in Sirte.

NTC fighters fought with machineguns and rifles and moved tanks and heavy artillery into the town.

"[NTC fighters] are entering the city from the east for the first time," Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from the frontlines, said.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 08:04 PM

bobad-

Just what we needed, more bodies to justify our case for the Rebel victory. Well, I for one don't need any more bodies to count. The threats from Gadhafi back in March were persuasive enough.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 12:14 PM

Reuters report: Libya's interim authorities said on Sunday they had found a mass grave in the capital containing the bodies of more than 1,270 people killed by Muammar Gaddafi's security forces in a 1996 massacre at Tripoli's Abu Salim prison.

The uprising that toppled Gaddafi last month was ignited by protests linked to the Abu Salim massacre.

In February, families of inmates killed at the south Tripoli prison in 1996 demonstrated in the eastern city of Benghazi to demand the release of their lawyer.

Human rights groups have estimated that about 2,000 Abu Salim inmates were killed in the 1996 massacre.

"We are dealing with more than 1,270 martyrs and must distinguish each one from the other for identification by
comparing their DNA with family members," said Dr Osman Abdul Jalil, a medical official.

"It may take years to reach the truth."

Khaled al-Sharif, spokesman for the Tripoli Military Council, said investigators had found the site about two weeks
ago, relying on information from people detained on suspicion of involvement in the massacre in some way.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 11:14 AM

So since the US pressured Qatar in the Iraq case, we should disregard what they say on Libya.   Of course.    Just ignore that aside from transmitting some rumors of developments, their reporting is echoed by virtually every other news outlet in the world.    Except possibly Russian.   And good socialists should only heed what Russia says, since it's always the truth.   After all, consider Pravda--it's right in the title.

And of course there's your French source, with his imaginative depiction of 11 Sept.

Look, any rational person--perhaps that excludes Mudcat leftists--knows you have to read many sources and use your head to decide what is really going on.

But if you say the Iraq case proves Qatar is a prisoner of the evil West, it must be so---in your alternate universe.

So we still need an answer to the question as to how we can get tourist visas to come gawk at you there.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 11:17 AM

oh, and on the battle front Rebel forces have made major advances in Sirte, into the very center of the city and occupying two adjacent neighborhoods (Al Jazeera): click here for report!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 11:11 AM

Songwronger-

Good point about Al Gezeera. I'd noticed that their news director had been replaced recently; no reason to draw any conclusions yet, however.

I would hope that its coverage would still provide a good balance to what I harvest from the major press sources in the States and in the UK.

Time will tell...

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Songwronger
Date: 24 Sep 11 - 12:00 AM

Al Jazeera, the pan-Arab news network financed by Qatar, named a member of the Qatari royal family on Tuesday to replace its top news director after disclosures from the group WikiLeaks indicating that the news director had modified the network's coverage of the Iraq war in response to pressure from the United States.

Al Jazeera is under intense scrutiny in the Middle East over its varying coverage of the Arab Spring revolts. Although the network is nominally independent — and its degree of autonomy was itself a revolution in the context of the region's state-controlled news media when it began in 1996 — many people contend that its coverage of the region still reflects the views of its Qatari owners.

Al Jazeera played an early and influential role in covering — some would say encouraging — the unrest in Tunisia and Egypt last winter. It was even more aggressive in its focus on the regime of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi and the struggles of what it called "freedom fighters" in Libya, where Qatar came to play a major role in supporting the rebellion.

http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/09/after-disclosures-by-wikileaks-al.html

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:28 AM

Furthermore, as I noted earlier, it's fascinating that the Left is always whining about how the West only supports tyrants.   This is one of the few instances in which the West has actually helped topple a tyrant.   But suddenly this isn't what the Left wanted after all.   So it seems leftist commentators are just card-carrrying members of the "ain't it awful?" club.    Whatever it is, "ain't it awful?"

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:46 PM

Stringsinger-

Not as messy as Iraq or Afghanistan, but then I've a wishy washy liberal, rather than a dedicated Trotskyite. It must be great to have such moral quality.

So, shall I assume that you would still advocate that no intervention was called for in Libya or will you actually defend your position, given what we have learned about the Gadhafi regime?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 07:21 PM

The U.S. has stepped into a messy puddle of oil.

Don't we have enough quagmires? Maybe not for Exxon or Shell

or Blackwater.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 04:56 PM

Continued success by Rebels is reported by Al Jazeera in Southern Libya:

Commanders with the National Transitional Council (NTC) said their forces now controlled all three main towns in the Al-Jufra oasis, 24 hours after they announced the capture of Libya's largest desert city, Sabha, in the deep south.

"Al-Jufra - Hun, Waddan and Sokna - is liberated," a military spokesman in Libya's third-largest city Misrata said in a statement early on Thursday.

The defeat of Muammar Gaddafi loyalists in the Saharan oases left his remaining forces in his hometown of Sirte on the Mediterranean coast and the desert city of Bani Walid to its west effectively cut off from any line of escape to the south.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Sep 11 - 08:28 AM

Here's the latest update of what is happening on the ground in Libya (Al Jazeera):

Libyan fighters have said they are waiting for civilians to escape from Sirte, the hometown and stronghold of former leader Muammar Gaddafi, before they start their final advance.

Several attempts by National Transitional Council's (NTC) fighters to take Sirte and Bani Walid, two of Gaddafi's remaining major strongholds, in the past week have ended in disarray and panicked retreat.

Fighters making their way back from the front line said they met fierce resistance at Khamseen, 50km east of Sirte, and that they lacked the firepower to respond.

In Bani Walid, NTC forces moved tanks towards the frontline on Wednesday in an attempt to capture the town.

"Of course it will certainly help us a lot in the final battle. You have seen these tanks. There are also Grads and we will use them by putting them in the front," Abdul Salaam Ganuna, an NTC commander, said.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 09:06 AM

For those who are keeping score (Al Jazeera):

Libya's interim rulers are claiming that their fighters have overrun the key southern city of Sabha, one of the last strongholds of forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.

"We are in complete control of the city of Sabha. Everybody, including [those who were] pro-Gaddafi, are now with the revolution," Abdelmajid Seif Ennasr, an official for the National Transitional Council (NTC) in Sabha, told the AFP news agency on Wednesday.

That still leaves the major towns of Sirte and Bani Walid, along the coastal highway, in the hands of pro-Gadhafi forces. Resistance is still described as stiff there.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 08:51 PM

Songwronger-

There's always a temptation to rack up that 1000. Congratulations!

It has been an interesting thread; I've learned a lot, some of which I'd prefer not to have learned.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 08:21 PM

1000

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 08:20 PM

Maybe that's why I rely primarily on Al Jazeera; I don't believe they're run by NATO, the CIA, or Al Qeada or Walt Disney.

Al Jazeera, no agenda, got it. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 05:56 PM

Teribus et aL-

"just wait and see,but be afraid....be very afraid." - Akenaton

Just his usual concern that the revolution will be taken over by Islamic fundamentalists.

Today there were some Rebel advances reported in the Gadhafi southern stronghold of Sabha (Al Jazeera): click here for update!

There seems no easy resolution for Sirte and Bani Walid where both sides are still slugging it out, with civilians caught in between.

And the final make-up of the new Interim Cabinet remains unresolved.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 11:01 AM

"just wait and see,but be afraid....be very afraid. - Akenaton

Of what??

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 03:22 AM

and now Yemen......just wait and see,but be afraid....be very afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Sep 11 - 10:26 PM

I agree with Good Soldier's Schweik .... 993 posts, and 9 months later and it's still a fucking mess .... yup, we just have to wait and see.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Sep 11 - 09:33 PM

Certainly you can reject UPI, Guardian, Washington Post, al-Jazeera, BBC, and virtually every other source of information, and believe that all the pictures and videos of rejoicing Libyans have been staged.   And choose to listen instead to the voices in your head---which evidently are telling you that kindly Uncle Muammar never meant any of his citizens any harm.

Or you can wake up.

Or stop smoking what you're smoking.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Sep 11 - 12:47 PM

992 posts and none of us have an idea of what is really going on, we are constantly fed misinformation.
free people well lets wait and see, I reckon they could be replacing the devil they know with some devils they dont know.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Sep 11 - 10:59 AM

Meanwhile back on the front lines the Rebels are finding it tough going in terms of securing the Gadhafi-held strongholds of Sirte and Bani Walid (from Al Jazeera): Click here for update!

There may be progress reported later today on the make-up of the new Interim 36-member Cabinet

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 18 Sep 11 - 07:19 AM

"Boys and girls chanted slogans against Moammar Gaddafi and teachers hanged an effigy of the fugitive leader as many Libyan children started their first school year without the "brother leader''dictating the curriculum.

Euphoria filled the halls on Saturday, but teachers admitted a lot needed to be done to overhaul an educational system where a main goal for nearly 42 years was to instill adoration of Gaddafi and what he touted as the greatest system of rule in the world - the "Jamahiriya,'' a utopian "rule by the masses'' that in reality boiled down to rule by Gadhafi.

The AP news agency reported that at the Al-Fayha Elementary School, boys dashed around the courtyard unfurling the red, black and green revolutionary flag that has replaced the old regime's green banner.

Students, many decked out in "Free Libya'' T-shirts in the same colors sang, "You are a free Libyan, raise your head up'' and other victory songs."

Al Jazeera

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 10:07 AM

A snippet from a "man in the street" in Tripoli, this is from a forum with which I have been engaged since the beginning:

"Yesterday evening my friend and work associate came to see me out of the blue. He had been incommunicado for three weeks. He had been in Libya and was fighting with the ff [freedom fighters aka rebels] just as Tripoli was taken back.

Some things of note.

He said that Tripoli has already become very quiet now. Right after it was taken back the guns were firing constantly in celebration. He said now the only time he heard any gunfire was for an hour after Libya beat Mozambique in football.

He said I wouldn't believe what Tripoli is like now. Everyone is smiling, inviting people, strangers to come in for food or lodging, women walking alone on the streets without head coverings in the middle of the night (just like the old days).

I asked him about the threat of an reactionary Islamic movement. He told me trha tthere was no one other than a few fighters that wanted an Islamic movement to take power. He said that Bilhaj was being eyed with suspicion by the tripolitanians. He was restricted to the city but, the NTC withdrew its call for the brigades to return to their homes after they decided it was a good insurance policy against Bilhaj. Bilhaj's forces it should bbe remarked numbered only between 5 and 700. My friends brother who was with the Zintan brigade (even though he is from Tripoli) was one of three and his numbered 1200 (responsible for airport security). I asked if there was problems with these brigades in Tripoli. He said no that they were given food and shelter when necessary and being treated as heros still. He said that it will be better when they start using the new Qatari police vehicles for patrols instead of the armed pick-up trucks but that securoity was not seeming to be an issue at all.

Asking more about Bihaj, he said that three containers of weapons (ammo mostly) were said to have been Bilhaj's on the way to Tripoli so they were detained and are being held back, This raised suspicion on Bilhaj and so the various brigades throughout Tripoli have ben assigned checkpoints throughout the city to ensure that they can keep an eye on his movements and activities. He was absolutely firm that there were no Libyans that wanted to go from Ghaddafi to a bunch of fanatics. Something I had always believed too. He said even uneducated people he spoke to didn't want them."

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 10:10 AM

So, Mr. Thinknotter, you inhabit the same alternate universe as Monsieur Meyssan. Tell us, how can we get tourist visas so we can come gawk at you two?

As I said earlier, fish in a barrel.    And it's sinfully addicting--which is a real problem.

Unless of course you're just desperate to get to 1,000.   Don't worry, at this rate, no sweat doing that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 09:39 AM

"al Qaeda in Libya as the new rulers".    Right.   And I'm the Prime MInister of the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 08:04 AM

Songwronger-

You have a point with "vetting" but Meysaan's not your best case for alternative reporting. Why not admit that and find someone more credible? And, no, I don't rely on NATO for updates but if I were your criticism would have some merit. I love this kind of inane debate!

Maybe that's why I rely primarily on Al Jazeera; I don't believe they're run by NATO, the CIA, or Al Qeada or Walt Disney.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 01:19 AM

NATO is trying to vet all the reporting that's coming out of Libya, and Meyssan's not sending out the vetted stuff. And NATO has admitted it's running a disinformation campaign in Libya, so Meyssan's reportage is at least as credible as that coming from an organization which ADMITS it's lying to you. Why would any of you choose to believe the statements of people who tell you they are lying?

As far as al Qeada in Libya, they've been installed as the new rulers. Just look at the membership. Bad guys yesterday, good guys today.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 10:36 PM

Gadhafi is still making radio broadcasts via a radio station he has funded in Syria, and is still calling for the people of Libya to rise up and throw the "rats" out. He's also calling for the UN to intervene and protect the civilian population in the towns and territory he still controls. Now that's a switch!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 09:04 AM

Charley again has it right.    The chances for Monsieur Meyssan to be anything but comic relief are somewhat slim.

Convinced a Boeing did not hit the Pentagon 11 Sept 2001.    This theory is too much even for some other 11 Sept conspiracy theorists.    But no doubt not too much for some of our illustrious Mudcat Leftists.

And 22 Aug 2011, reporting that Gaddafi forces had driven most of the rebels from the city.

I wonder what he's telling his listeners now, reporting from his alternate universe.

Again, nobody can say the opponents of Western involvement in Libya are not imaginative in their depictions of events and their dire predictions.

As I noted before, there is a wonderful opportunity for them in writing pulp fiction---where logic and sense are not required and may just get in the way of telling a good story,

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 08:02 AM

Here's the link to what's posted at wikipedia on Thierry Meysan: Click here for report!

If you love conspiracy theories, you'll love this guy's work. I suppose there is a remote possibility that he is entirely correct, and that Gadhafi is still in control of Tripoli, and that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by neoconservatives to gain control of the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 07:52 AM

Songwronger-

There's quite enough to be concerned about in this phase of the Libyan revolution without relying on cut-and-paste conspiracy fantasy such as "How Al Qaeda men came to power in Libya by Thierry Meyssan."

Maybe I'll do a Google search of the author and see what I can dredge up.

Charley Noble