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BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011

GUEST,Alan Whittle 21 Mar 11 - 04:54 AM
DMcG 21 Mar 11 - 05:53 AM
Charley Noble 21 Mar 11 - 08:18 AM
GUEST,Number 6 21 Mar 11 - 08:43 AM
GUEST,Patsy 21 Mar 11 - 10:48 AM
Bonzo3legs 21 Mar 11 - 11:07 AM
GUEST,number 6 21 Mar 11 - 11:34 AM
Lighter 21 Mar 11 - 11:55 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Mar 11 - 12:02 PM
Bonzo3legs 21 Mar 11 - 12:51 PM
GUEST 21 Mar 11 - 01:38 PM
GUEST,999 21 Mar 11 - 01:41 PM
Ron Davies 21 Mar 11 - 02:25 PM
Little Hawk 21 Mar 11 - 04:25 PM
akenaton 21 Mar 11 - 05:15 PM
GUEST,Steve 21 Mar 11 - 05:54 PM
akenaton 21 Mar 11 - 06:06 PM
Little Hawk 21 Mar 11 - 06:22 PM
GUEST,Steve 21 Mar 11 - 06:52 PM
bobad 21 Mar 11 - 07:10 PM
GUEST,Steve 21 Mar 11 - 07:23 PM
Richard Bridge 21 Mar 11 - 07:25 PM
Ron Davies 21 Mar 11 - 08:40 PM
Charley Noble 21 Mar 11 - 10:31 PM
gnu 21 Mar 11 - 10:44 PM
GUEST,number 6 21 Mar 11 - 11:02 PM
GUEST,number 6 21 Mar 11 - 11:11 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Mar 11 - 01:58 AM
akenaton 22 Mar 11 - 03:40 AM
Teribus 22 Mar 11 - 06:12 AM
Bonzo3legs 22 Mar 11 - 06:53 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 22 Mar 11 - 07:11 AM
Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) 22 Mar 11 - 07:57 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Mar 11 - 08:00 AM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 08:10 AM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 08:45 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Mar 11 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 09:02 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Mar 11 - 09:03 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Mar 11 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 09:10 AM
Ron Davies 22 Mar 11 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 09:25 AM
bobad 22 Mar 11 - 09:44 AM
GUEST,number 6 22 Mar 11 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Mar 11 - 10:21 AM
Teribus 22 Mar 11 - 10:23 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 04:54 AM

Get real DMcG. Aircaft couldn't hit the enemy in WW2 and used to hit our guys despite the fact that our tanks had a big white star on top. In the Falklands, they coudn't disable something as big as a bloody airfield.

Nowadays airplanes go even faster. they're bound to miss their targets and kill innocent folk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 05:53 AM

I think I am real enough, Alan. I did not say jamming was an alternative to other action, did I? I think it is the kind of action we should undertake *in addition* to other means. Yet the phrasing of the resolution is addressed squarely at troops and military facilities, so the allies would need to be trying to find a way of justifying attacking propaganda sources on the grounds of their military significance. Our experience of the significance of propaganda in almost 20th century wars is such I feel it should have been included more directly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:18 AM

Getting sucked into this thread again!

Oh, I'm sure the European nations as well as the United States and the Arab League are all piling on Gaddafi and his family for the primary reason of restoring stability in the world oil market, and some modicum of concern for the humanitarian situation. It is a popular cause worldwide, evidently. Everything works well in this case for intervention, although it came at the last possible moment.

Note that the Republicans in the States have now shifted their critique from "intervention was needed yesterday" to "too much intervention too late."

The Arab League after a few stumbles seems to be back on board this morning. But real military support from Arab nations is needed fast to maintain popular support for the Coalition effort.

But who made the cut for the "Final Four"?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:43 AM

The Canadian CF-18's are now in Italy. They are getting an oil change and having the winter tires changed for all seasons (I hear they got a good deal on some Perelli's) . They should be ready to help in kicking some ass by the end of this week.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 10:48 AM

As long as they make sure that the son goes too, the younger Gaddafi looks dangerous to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:07 AM

No he's making sure that his record collection is not bombed, or whatever it is that he collects!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:34 AM

GfS ... "We don't have leaders here in America...we've got celebrity salesmen"

and the Commander in Chief, he's got style .... initiates a military strike ... immediately gets on a plane and flies down to Rio, ok it was actually Brazilia.

I can see him there now, sitting on a patio with Dilma Vana Rousseff .... Obama in a Hawiian shirt, a pair of Oakley's on, a caprahini in one hand, his blackberry in the other ... texting with the war room back home, and at the same time praising to Dilma on how Brazil is a model for peace and democracy.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:55 AM

Argument A: The West lusts for oil, so it lets Gaddafi kill the rebels to make sure he keeps selling it to us.

Argument B: The West lusts for oil, so it kills Libyans to make sure we get it.

Fact: The West doesn't *steal* oil from OPEC. It *buys* it. OPEC wants our money. And if you haven't noticed, OPEC charges as much as it can get. That would be true no matter who rules in Tripoli. (Unless, of course, it turns out the rebels are big fans of         al-Qaeda.)

So if the West is so fiendish, why not do nothing or even help Gaddafi smash the rebels to let the oil flow? Doing nothing, or helping the G-ster, would also tell our other oil buddies to crack down harder on their own dissidents. (And you know they want to.)

But we're bombing Gaddafi. So any oil conspiracy would be far, far more diabolical than anyone can imagine.

Is it to divert us from global warming? The economy? Justin Bieber?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 12:02 PM

DMcG: "One thing that has struck me about this is how the UN resolution hasn't learnt anything from the way the remarkable way in which these rebellions were organised and has a concept of war that is still frankly 19th century."

What's just as bad, is that WE (the Allies), are not learning, either. We are getting entangled, and getting bogged down all over the Mideast, sorta like Tar Baby and the brier patch, and very much like the Roman Empire, who got spread all over the place, in a series of small wars, which was the final blow, to them(along with their decaying morals). We, like the Romans, cannot afford to be enforcing 'peace'(?), in every place we have trading interests, and the Muslims in the Mideast, with their goals, may have created 'quicksand' to lure us into, much like a repeat of Rome.
Also, I'm sure we have to repay the Europeans, for their participation, in the Iraq, Pakistan, Afghan (etc) excursions.

But, alas, we shortsighted, short memory span, Yanks can get all whooped up emotionally about the politics of it, and all too often forget the common sense of it, as long as the 'news' media can keep us 'entertained with it'.

History teaches us, that man never learns from history!!!

Bush had his, Obama has got his..but were either of them, really in charge?

Meanwhile, Israel is getting fired on by missiles. When they finally get pissed off enough, without the U.S. to restrain them, this whole thing could EASILY ignite to a full blown, massive human catastrophe, that could spread everywhere!(Depending on whom is going to ally with whom).

I very much question the wisdom of this, and other Mideast excursions into the brier patch, to visit the Tar Baby, (or 'Oil Baby', if you will).
If we need oil, get it from here, while transforming our energy sources.....but the overly left, get all pissy about drilling....but love their gas, and plastic etc.   

Charley Noble: "Note that the Republicans in the States have now shifted their critique from "intervention was needed yesterday" to "too much intervention too late."

I just heard a person who worked in the Reagan White House, express some of the same concerns that I just posted....she ended with "I don't know about this one, its all too fuzzy, to know what's really going on."

I agree with her, coupled with the fact, that this Administration is acting like, the people here don't matter, nor need to be told, nor would support an 'up and above board' effort.

This is not good.........but then, ..I read the Book, and have a clue how it ends! So far, its accuracy is more astounding than I even previously imagined!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 12:51 PM

I wonder why our leaders are not chosen from Mudcat!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 01:38 PM

Poster is apparently akenaton

Apparently planes are attacking Gadaffi's troops as they retreat.

So much for the UN resolution!

Somebody up above said, "its like telling them to come out with their hands up.....then shooting them!

I hate war, but this type of "war game" played by computer makes me feel even more sick.

If your going to massacre people, at least you should be forced to smell the burning flesh and hear the screams.

I'm startin' to get very fuckin' angry!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 01:41 PM

You'll get even more pissed off when your post is deleted because ya didn't use your usual moniker. fyi


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 02:25 PM

As I said elsewhere, Ake, give us your evidence that Gadhafi is a reasonable person. Why exactly should we let him go back to wiping out his opposition--which has appealed to us over and over for assistance?

So sorry there is not enough "smell of burning flesh" to suit you.   I suspect Mr. Gadhafi would have been willing to give you all you need.

Perhaps you would like to seek professional help for your obsession.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 04:25 PM

And as I just said on another thread, Ron...

"I haven't heard of anyone who thinks Gadhafi is a "reasonable person" (except Gadhafi himself, possibly), so the question you asked of Ake in that respect is just another pointless snide remark uttered with no other purpose than to sneer in Ake's general direction and imply that he's a halfwit or a simpleton."


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 05:15 PM

Thanks LH ......and Brucie :0)

Ron of course I don't think Gadaffi is a "reasonable" person, but on the other hand I dont think any "reasonable" person can successfully govern a country such as Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Libya, as a "liberal democracy".
I was giving our new Prime minister Cameron the benefit of the doubt, as he and his government have inherited a huge albatross in the form of the national financial deficite, but his actions over this issue have made me think again.

He came across as a pompous, smug, well fed, public schoolboy, parroting rhetoric straight out of some upper class boy's war comic.

Stupid, uncaring and blind to the real issues involved in the attack on a sovereign nation.

I'm sorry to say so Ron, but I feel your simplistic take on this does no credit to someone who appears to have an above average grasp of political machinations

If you would spend less time verbally abusing Little Hawk and instead attempt to learn a fraction of his insight, you would perhaps find yourself a wiser, more interesting and better liked


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 05:54 PM

Years since ive been on here, but i have to say, its a sad state of affairs when military force is used, and i hope to whatever god there could possibly be that one day we wont ever have to do it again, but I wouldnt want to live in a world where we had left Gadaffi's forces to enter Benghazi and carry out his threats, the no fly zone has to be enforced with force, we have learnt from Bosnia where allied pilots got a ringside view of 8000 men & boys being executed and couldnt do a damn thing about it. And yes, there other problems in the world and other dictators, and to be honest i dont have the answers, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt help out with this one.
All these people want is to walk into a polling booth and change theyre government with a pen, its a right that we take for granted and sadly too few people choose to participate in. Every democracy that exists has cost bloodshed, when the fighting is over its remembered, its not taken for granted, it will be mourned for many years, but its the one thing that makes our freedom and democracy worth having. I wish the Lybian people well, and hope the armed forces realise they are in a fight they cannot and will not win and turn on Gadaffi A.S.A.P.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 06:06 PM

Steve....If Gadaffi's aim was to "massacre civilians" he could have accomplished that in two minutes by a rocket attack on areas with high density populations.......and what would Col Gadaffi have to gain from such a course of action?

The targets are plainly the "rebels", "insurgents", "Terrorists", "freedom fighters", take your pick   they were with us in Iraq and are with us still.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 06:22 PM

On the one hand, I think Gadhafi provoked the whole thing in the first place by violently suppressing demonstrators. On the other hand, he is now doing what any sovereign state does in the face of a rebellion, and sending out the police and military to crush the rebels. Every state does that in the face of armed rebellion.

I do not sympathize with Gadhafi in any way, and I hope he is removed from power, but I can understand why foreign intervention is viewed by some as an illegal intervention into the domestic affairs of Libya.

So there's reason present on both sides of this argument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 06:52 PM

@ Akenaton, isnt that exactly what he was doing, shelling Benghazi and other cities indiscriminately, yeh ok, his beef was with the rebels, but dont think for one minute he would have stopped the fighting / shelling to let the local school children cross the road!!! he threatend to go from house to house hunting people down, put yourself in a postion where you could do something, would you really take the risk, and why is it that everyone seems to think Gadaffi is a man of honour and his word is the truth, while our governments are all blundering liars thats only desire is global domination, personally i would believe the British/French and U.S governments over a tinpot dictator like Gadaffi anytime, i know theyre not perfect, but theyre a long way from that shower of SH*T.
As i said in my prior post, its a sad day when you have to take the gloves off and actually do something nasty, but that time had come, the "Massacre at Benghazi 2011" never happened, and thats to our credit!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: bobad
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 07:10 PM

The ""rebels", "insurgents", "Terrorists", "freedom fighters"" are ordinary citizens who started out peacefully protesting against their oppression and for more democratic representation until they were brutally put upon by a brutal dictator and were forced to take up arms to defend themselves against his brutality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 07:23 PM

Thats a very good point Bobad, the truth is, in our cozy western democracies, we behave like spoilt children, we have no concept of what its like to live under such a regime, this woolly liberal line that pussyfoots about and harps on about the injustices in the world while not making any decisions to actually do anything is pathetic, the truth is, sometimes, its unpalateable, but you have to get your hands dirty and yes, sometimes bloody for the greater and long term good.
I knew i would get a decent debate here at Mudcat!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 07:25 PM

Or, they could, in accordance with local law, have stopped.

FFS, if rebels rebel, at least they might not winge about it.   They rebel - they might win. Or they might lose. Those are matters of internal politics and nothing to do with anyone else. Indeed, I am starting to suspect that the UN resolution was ultra vires in the first place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:40 PM

So are the critics of the West's response at least all willing to admit that the Libyan uprising started as completely a home-grown action?

So we won't hear any more tripe about a "Sudetenland" parallel or "colonialism" as the origin of the conflict?

That at least would be a step towards wisdom.

One step at a time seems best to explain the situation to some posters


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 10:31 PM

akenaton-

The targets are plainly the "rebels", "insurgents", "Terrorists", "freedom fighters", take your pick   they were with us in Iraq and are with us still.

No, it's not at all clear to me what the range of rebels includes but I think you missed a few students, intellectuals, professionals, military men, and politicians.

The only thing that was simple in this situation is that there was going to be a bloodbath in Benghazi, not to mention in a few other towns that the rebels held. And do you really believe that Gadhaffi's troops would have slaughtered only the "real rebels" and not their families, and not anyone else who happened to be in their neighborhood?

What won't work in this situation is if the Coalition manages to kill more civilians in implementing UN resolution 1973 than Gadahaffi would have. Thats one of the things that stank about "our" liberation of Iraq.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: gnu
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 10:44 PM

I haven't read most of this thread. But, the simple fact that Quackdaffy has employed mercenaries from foreign countries disturbs me greatly... why would such be necessary?

Now, the fact that he has rubbed shoulders in photo ops with many, including Blair shortly after (during?) that little Saddam affair, also disturbs me, but, as I said, I haven't read most of this thread.

BP was just setting up operations in Libya. Any connections?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:02 PM

These rebels are mostly made up of the young (in there teens and very early twenties) .... this was first evident with the protesters in Egypt and we continue to see in the rest of these mideast countries where upheaval is happening.

What were are seeing is a revolution against the old status quo whatever it may be in the mideast... a dawning of of the 21st century for the mideast. These rebels certainly are not going to embrace the western world and it's 2oth century state of mind and it's form of 2oth century governance. That is why we should not get involved militarily. What the western world is expecting, is not what it will turn out to be. Yes this is a new beginning in the mideast but we will be left behind until the young in the western world revolts against the old status quo here.

The revolution of the young against the old regimes ... the 'change' has to come, for better or worse.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:11 PM

I should add ... and why is this revolution of the young happening in the mideast, and not say Europe, or latin America ... it's because the mideast is more vulnerable to change, it has to change ... they have been manipulated by the Western World, they have had corrupt dictators running their countries and they have been the victims of war and upheaval for the last century ... they having nothing to lose to bring them into this brave new century.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 01:58 AM

This was a huge mistake, the way we got involved!!..and time will show it!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 03:40 AM

Well said No 6.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:12 AM

If you are going to enforce a "No-Fly" Zone then YOU have to create the conditions such that YOUR aircraft can fly over it without risk of attack. Hence the stikes by French Aircraft and US and British Tomahawk missiles.

"Better the Arabs do it tolerably than that you do it perfectly. It is their war, and you are to help them, not to win it for them." - T.E.Lawrence

And that is exactly what you are seeing here today in Libya. The uprising in Libya has got nothing whatsoever to do with a sudden yearning for democracy in whatever form it might present itself. What you are seeing bubbling over in Libya today is a tribal conflict nothing more, nothing less. The "people of Libya", or at least the people of certain tribal groups in Libya (At least three of such tribal groups) are attempting to rid themselves of the current Kleptocracy that has been ruling the country for 40 years. If anyone thinks that this is anything new for Libya then think again, such uprisings have happened in the past and were put down mercilessly - the policy and practice of "collective punishment" is enshrined in Libyan law (Something introduced by Col. Gaddafi), so please do not worry yourselves about who the "Rebels"; "Insurgents"; "Combatants" are, that simply does not matter to Gaddafi as he has shown in the past. We did not hear about things then because these uprisings happened in Libya's Pariah years when Libya and the regime of Gaddafi were isolated and shunned, nobody reported it. Nobody would have reported this one now had it not been for GWB acting as he did in March 2003. The fate of Iraq and Saddam Hussein registered with Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi and it shook him rigid because Libya appeared amongst the US Intelligence communities list of potential candidates to play the role of "Rogue State".

As far as the armed forces of the Arab countries go it should be remebered that they are there not to protect the country from an external aggressor, they exist to protect the ruling caste.

- Had the Army in Tunisia turned against the people and started slaughtering them - the UN would have acted

- Had the Army in Egypt turned against the people and started slaughtering them - the UN would have acted

- The Army in Libya plus a whole rake of mecenaries provided by Gaddafi's African friends were ordered out to slaughter the people and - THE UN HAVE ACTED - and they have acted on the specific requests of the Arab League and the The Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (Commonly known as the Gulf Cooperation Council the GCC)

In Bahrain the situation is quite different, and again it has nothing whatsoever to do with the events in Tunisia or Egypt, nothing whatsoever to do with human rights or democracy, it is a plain and simple attempt at destabilising a small country by a foreign power - Iran.

Bahrain has a total population of some 1,234,000 people of whom 666,172 are not citizens of Bahrain at all, they are "guest foreign workers". The indigenous population of Bahrain are Sunni Arabs, most of the "guest foreign workers" are Shia Arabs. The largest single ethnic group within this collection of "guest foreign workers" are the Indians some of whom have been living and trading in Bahrain for decades. The Shia Arabs who are "protesting" have been attacking the Indians and trying to drive them out of Bahrain. The rulers of Bahrain appealed for help and assistance from the GCC and got it. Iran has long held claims of sovereignty on Bahrain which has prompted moves to destabilise the country ever since it gained its independence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:53 AM

Rest assured that, in the current jargon, all is:
1 Clear
2 Quite Clear
3 Very Clear
4 Completely Clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:11 AM

Well, they said on BBC News this morning that the UN was in no way trying to bring about a regime change...

So, what the fook are we doing out there then?

Of COURSE that's what they're trying to do. They want the Crazy One out because they're all shitting in their designer suits that he'll stop the oil coming over, or make it impossibly expensive...

That's why they've bowed and kowtowed to him for all these decades, sold him Arms, given him this and that..

He's nuts..but...he's not as nutty as our Leaders, who, despite being leaders of bankrupt countries are now spending zillions on bombing Tripoli...WTF is that about?????

At this rate we'll ALL be owned by the IMF, that's if we're not already, of course..

You know that great song...'Say Goodbye to Oil' by Pete Morton? Well, I suggest we start teaching it in school assemblies...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:57 AM

Yanks just admitted they lost a F-15E Strike Eagle, it came down near the rebel-held city of Benghazi just after midnight local time.

The US military said the jet suffered mechanical failure (bullshit) and was not shot down by enemy fire. Both crew members ejected, were recovered and are safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:00 AM

From the Beeb. UK Armed Forces minister Nick Harvey said it was unclear how long the mission would take, adding that using ground troops "could not be ruled out".

He told the BBC: "We don't know how long this is going to go on for, we don't know for example... whether this might arrive at a state of stalemate or whether in a sense it will be possible to degrade his military capability relatively fast.

"Ask me again in a week, perhaps we'll have a clearer picture of what sort of scale of campaign we're in for."


What resolution was it, then? Remind me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:10 AM

Suppose the Libyan rebels win and the man who now rules Libya is finally brought to trial. How's he gonna be charged?


Gadhafi? Gaddafi? Khaddafy? Kaddafi? Qaddafi?


Considering that the mother fucker should have been shot years ago, I worry he will get off on a technicality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:45 AM

Excellent point, 999!

I was wondering the same thing.

At least the names rhyme, and a great song may yet spring from the depths of this thread!

I'm not convinced that Teribus is correct in his assessment of Libya above but I'll have to do some homework to find out. Certainly the newspapers and other media reports are little assistance.

The more disciplined elements within the rebel armed forces do not appear eager to pursue the retreating Gadhafi forces. Other volunteers rebels pursued them to the outskirts of Ajdabiya and then wisely retreated when they were met by concentrated gunfire and rockets.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:56 AM

Well even Ronnie Raygun condemned the deliberate targeting for assassination of national leaders, so I guess that puts you two somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan. Of course, the CIA will be working on something covert, and some White House intern will be busy researching all the euphemisms for "assassination."


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:02 AM

Assassination my ass. Shoot the arsehole!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:03 AM

Which would be "assassination." Do you need a reference?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:06 AM

Assassination my ass. Shoot the arsehole!

And how peculiarly transatlantic of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:10 AM

'Which would be "assassination." Do you need a reference?'

Not as much as you need manners.

It would be murder, mercy killing, getting even for his own past murders, etc. But a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and a chrysanthemum by any other name would be easier to spell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:23 AM

As I said earlier, it would be better for humanity if certain individuals were killed.   Hitler was one.   Gadhafi is another.

Any argument?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:25 AM

Not from me, Ron.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: bobad
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:44 AM

It would be too good for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:45 AM

hey .... let's get Khadafi, and let's get Kissinger and we can have a 2 for 1 trial ... whew, what a trial that would be.

On second though, let's forget it .... way too much of the real truth could be exposed.

Just the thought of that can make one understand why these revolts are happening in the mideast.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:21 AM

biLL: "hey .... let's get Khadafi, and let's get Kissinger and we can have a 2 for 1 trial ... whew, what a trial that would be."

I'd go for that!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:23 AM

Assassination?

Iraq - Would it have done any good to assassinate Saddam Hussein?

Nope he would have been replaced by one or other of his sons who were ten times worse and a damn sight more unstable. At the time the power was held by a single tribal group that had entrenched itself over the period of two decades. The Saddam Fedaheen; the Special Republican Guard and the Republican Guard were all formed, manned and equipped to keep Saddam Hussein and his family in power by terror and oppression.

Libya - Would it do any good to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi?

Nope he would be immediately replaced by his son Saif backed solidly by their tribe and their allies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:28 AM

THe first US plane has crashed in libya. The military was qucik to point out it was not shot down but instead suffered mechanaical failure.

JEEZZ I would have thought they would have loved to say they were shot down instead of admitting that someone filled the tank with diesel instead of kerosene and put wiper fluid where the transmission fluid should go.

Being a surviving hero seems better than being seen as a flaming idiot


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:43 AM

Oh well, listened to a wonderful Sarah McLachlan gig from 3 March at lunchtime today!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli has just begun
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 11:26 AM

Evidently one of the US pilots was lifted our by copter.

The other was warmly welcomed by villagers and is probably lifted out by now as well.

If I only believed in hell, it would be nice to think of Gadhafi and his sons roasting there slowly. Anyone have any marshmallows?

Charley Noble


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