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Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London

GUEST,s-j in london 20 Mar 11 - 07:56 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 20 Mar 11 - 09:18 AM
Surreysinger 20 Mar 11 - 11:34 AM
Leadfingers 20 Mar 11 - 02:17 PM
GUEST,S-j 20 Mar 11 - 02:29 PM
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Valmai Goodyear 21 Mar 11 - 06:27 AM
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GUEST,s-j 21 Mar 11 - 10:15 AM
GUEST,matt milton 21 Mar 11 - 11:38 AM
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GUEST,s-j 21 Mar 11 - 12:48 PM
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Subject: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,s-j in london
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 07:56 AM

Singing Workshop 'Ballads to Bellows' starts Mon, 4 April 2011, 6.45 for 7pm start. 1 hour. £5/4. Open level. All welcome

From sea shanties to ballads and mouth music, we will look at and learn songs from the rich musical traditions of the British Isles and beyond, together as a group.

Friendly informal atmosphere.

Come to: The Grosvenor, Sidney Road, Stockwell SW9. We will be meeting in the back room.

balladstobellows@gmail.com

look forward to seeing some of you there


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 09:18 AM

With respect, but it sounds like the sort of education you can get in any folk club or singaround for nowt, beer & dignity notwithstanding. I like Stockwell though, used to hang out there occasionally back in '99 digging the scene along Clapham High Street. Lots of music - don't remember any folk though...


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: Surreysinger
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 11:34 AM

I think a little more detail regarding the exact format, who is running it etc would probably be a bit helpful for people to decide whether it is likely to be their thing or not. :-)


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: Leadfingers
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:17 PM

My thoughts exactly Surreysinger ! A fiver to hear someone who may not know any more than I do ? Probably not !


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,S-j
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:29 PM

I agree, it is the sort of thing you can get in any folk club, all sorts of ways of learning songs - but some people like things like this and I have had a few requests and a bit of interest. I have been doing workshops for EFDSS over the past year (although this isnt the extent of it!) and I guess wanted to carry on and set something up near where I live, now that I am finishing my contract there. I need to charge to cover the room hire and just seeing how it goes!


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,S-j
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:31 PM

oh and p.s - I will be getting 'guest' singers to take the session time to time. Just thought would say...
Someone suggested it a good place to post here:)


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 06:27 AM

Good luck with it. You'll be encouraging people who want to learn and want to try, but haven't yet got the confidence to attempt a floor spot at a club or singaround.

Valmai (Lewes)


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 08:07 AM

In my experience people rarely need that sort of encouragement - just a few songs and a few pints and off they go. Folk is about people singing in their natural voices & some are better at it than others. The best way to learn though is by doing it AND listening to archive recordings of Traditional Singers. Whatever, there exists a fine diversity of singers, untrained and unique though occasionally you might run into a Trained Folk Singer and it's pretty obvious where they're coming from. I find this a lot with ballad singers, which is becoming very formalised. Go listen to Mrs Pearl Brewer on the Max Hunter archive (she's under M for Mrs!) - her Lord Thomas is damn near definitive, though maybe a little vivid for over-precious revival sensibilities. Her Cruel Mother (Greenwood Side) is second to none.

Folk Singing & Ballad singing was the soapy vernacular - it's certainly Not storytelling, though it rides on a similar corporeal vibe. In the revival there's various strands of vocal interpretation & affectation going on, from Jack Langstaff to The Unthanks (both of whom I love very dearly) but to hear this stuff in its natural habitat is a very different thing altogether. I think that's the beauty of singarounds - it's as close to the natural habitat as we can get these days.


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,s-j
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 10:15 AM

Some people don't some people do...there are twenty something people that attend the singing workshop on a saturday at cecil sharp house on a regular basis, a lot of people that tell me they cant sing - when I know they can - they just think or have been told they cant...There's both essentially (those that would and wouldnt want to do this sort of session)
Personally, its taken me a long time to get to the point of singing at sessions etc and gigs, and I remember how far I have come personally -pints and just doing it were'nt enough for me - I would go blank and drink too much probably! I know that there are people who would like this and those that dont, will be off on their own..they are the people I wouldnt expect to see at something like this - it's not for them and fair enough! :)
Thanks Valmai, that's what I'm thinking it will be.
Thanks :)


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:38 AM

HI S-J

Have you told the No Frills Band (Grosvenor regulars) about it? I'm sure they'd be interested. Make sure you tell Sue & Nyge (The Goose Is Out) and perhaps ask the editor at Urban75 if he'll let you post about it on their Music forum. (He's very militant about people asking first before plugging gigs etc etc though).

Might be worth some posters to this thread bearing in mind that most folk clubs (in London at least) charge admission - so it's not like going to a folk club is getting an education 'for free'. And presumably there'll be a lot of singing going on all round at these courses.


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 11:41 AM

Ooh, I've just thought, if it's on a Monday it ties in BEAUTIFULLY with the weekly Monday night singarounds at the Queens Head! Which start at around 9.30pm and go on pretty much all night. Do you know that pub? It's just up from the Grosvenor. So you could all go along afterwards. They'd be really delighted if you all turned up; I went last week with my banjo. It's hosted by Andy Hankdog and Benjamin Folke Thomas.


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,s-j
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 12:48 PM

Hi Matt, yeah my mate Hannah plays fiddle in no frills...and she was interested in coming to sing :)
Thanks for the heads up at the goose is out, I was supposed to be playing on a mates support slot there the other week, but was away for work so had to miss it - so am sad to say still not been...:( soon tho!
I met Mike (urban 75) and he seems like a helpful guy so will def email him too...not been to Queens Head, keep walking past...on my way to the Grosvenor, so will pop in next time!
Thanks for the suggestions :)


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 12:59 PM

I think it is a great idea..like in contra dances they sometimes have pre-sessions to teach etc.

Sometimes there are not places to talk about the music..I don't like song circles interrupted by talking basically but there are times, like at music camps etc..I enjoy listening to the stories and background.\

Also, I would be more than willing to come and be supportive of beginning singers, which we are always accused of not being...if there were a separate time and place when that was the expected format. mg


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,s-j
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:43 AM

Thanks mg...


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Subject: RE: Folk Song Workshop in Stockwell, London
From: GUEST,s-j in london
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 09:42 AM

Its the first one tonight :)


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