Chord names in DADGAD

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 09:08 PM

"I like the idea of drones "

There's far too many drones playing Folk Music already. They need to lighten up and be original.

:-P

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: The Maverick
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:10 PM

WoW - that was a can of worms but thanks for all your fascinatiing comments - and Sarah I had just invested in your book following research on double drop D tuning which came up with a google hit about your book.

Trevor Appleton
east Yorkshire

www.kirkburn.net

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 08:58 AM

As I understand it, the convention is that "chords" have to use at least three notes. Where there are only two notes the correct term is "dyads".

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Stanron
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 08:29 AM

Just to further complicate things, the chord names can change depending how you play them.
002200 could be an A5 if you avoided picking the 1st and 6th strings
004000 could be Dsus4 if you play all the notes or just D if you mute the G string with the finger holding down the 4th fret.
I like the idea of drones. Maybe we need a whole new chord naming system for open tunings.

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Sarah McQuaid
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:25 AM

When I was researching my DADGAD book ("The Irish DADGAD Guitar Book", first published in 1995 and still in print, I'm happy to say -- it's published by Novello & Co. under the aegis of Music Sales Inc.), I went to the library and got loads of music theory books out, in order to be able to give the correct names of the chords in the chord charts I put in the book. Then I happily forgot them.

In the book, I generally give two names for any given chord -- the "correct" name -- e.g. G6 (add 9) -- and then the functional name, which in this case would be G/A; i.e. while the chord is technically a G 6th with an added 9th, what I'm really doing is playing a G chord with an A drone. Similarly, Am (add 11) is really an A minor chord with a D drone. Hope that helps ....

Cheers,

Sarah McQuaid
http://www.sarahmcquaid.com

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: evansakes
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:57 AM

(I think George Martin was playing a B# on the piano)

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: evansakes
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:55 AM

It's in there....enharmonic equivalentially speaking :-)

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:52 AM

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhh!!

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:45 AM

Wait a minute - where is the B#!!!


:-P

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: evansakes
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:41 AM

Assuming you're hearing it as a variation on the subdominant (!) it would be D7sus4.

Wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:22 AM

Right then...
A challenge....
What is the definitive name for the opening chord (George Harrison I think) that starts The Beatles Fab hit..."A Hard Days Night"???

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:26 AM

I learned the fingering for 'Caledonia' in CGCGCE from Dougie's instructional DVD. He doesn't 'name' the 'chords' - he just gives diagrams of the fingering and demonstrates how he does it. Works for me. It also shows how to play the all-important guitar figure which opens the song and appears between the verses, and in the 'right' tuning it sounds.....well, right (as indeed it should!).

I agree with Stu that the guitar parts of songs written for and in alternate tunings don't generally replicate well as chords in standard tuning. However, I have a friend who does 'Canadee-i-o' in Drop-D, and you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between it and Nic's recorded version (which I think is in CGCGCD, or summat similar). Having said that, my friend is an exceptionally gifted guitar player (unlike me!).

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: s&r
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 06:16 PM

Dougie as many other guitarists do plays a mix of chords, notes, suspensions and drones (think of the pipes). Naming the chord might help to remember, however with this style you might find that if you were to replace the chords with the same named chords in standard tuning, that the results wouldn't work very well. That's a tortured sentence but I hope it makes sense.

It's a great song, good luck with it

Stu

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: The Maverick
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 04:02 PM

Trying to learn this Dougie Maclean song, and I prefer the idea of learning the name of a chord p[roperly rather than just a number for the song:

Rescue Me - Dougie Maclean

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 02:06 PM

Oops, sorry about the italics - should have just been italicised for the quote from Ralphie's post...............bloody HTML! Buggerbuggerbugger!

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 02:04 PM

"I normally play in CGCGCD"

Is that 'C Modal' Ralphie? I've occasionally used CGCGCE and it sounds very deep and wonderful (think 'Caledonia'). Unfortunately, due to my advancing years and the accompanying loss of brain-cell-elasticity, I find it difficult to remember 'shapes' in multiple tunings nowadays, so I stick to Standard, Drop-D and DADGAD.

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 04:44 AM

HEY! Great thread. This is exactly how I developed all my open G playing. I love it but never really had much confidence in it feeling that it must be wrong or although it sounds great to me and seems well received. I just fit the 'chords' to the feel of the song. The only downside is that my memeory works better with 'pictures' and the old sheet music with chords over the lyric are much easier to remember. Songs now for me don't have any of that. I just work it all out as the song gets carved into shape.
Anyway, thanks for that I feel much better about my stuff.
Al

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 04:16 AM

I think, part of what open tunings offer is a break from the tyranny of tonic, relative minor, sub dominant, dominant - that makes standard tuning so predictable, or fussy sounding.

And to be fair to guitarists, they have responded wonderfully to the challenges - with sublime creativity.

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 04:00 AM

Same here. I usually know that the chord is SOMEthing connected to the key I'm in (sus 4, relative minor with a 7th or 9th added, etc), but naming the exact chord is something I can't be arsed to do. As with many people, if it sounds good, it works, and that's enough for me.

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 03:50 AM

I normally play in CGCGCD...Haven't got a clue the names of the chords, Most of the time they are only partial chords with lots of dissonances.
Like Backwoodsman, I just muck about until it sounds right!

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: s&r
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 03:36 AM

Dsus4

Stu

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 02:27 AM

While we're asking......what is 004000 called please?

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 02:26 AM

Isn't 550400 G-summat-or-other?
And 002200 A-summat-or-other?

I use those as the 4 and 5 chords for the key of D.
Not saying I'm right, just wondering.

I never bother about naming chords in DADGAD, or trying to use the 'proper' shapes. I just stick my fingers on a few frets and jiffle 'em around until it sounds 'right'. Seems to be a beautiful thing about this tuning that its modal nature and the use of dissonants means that it's very forgiving and allows the player a lot of wriggle-room in finding 'chords' that work.

Seems that way to me, anyway. Nobody's complained! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: PHJim
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 07:58 PM

000200 is DADAAD which is not a chord, but a diad, sometimes called a five chord or a power chord. It has only the root and fifth of the D chord.

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 07:24 PM

Stu,

I was gonna answer that, but you got to it and did instead. Thanks for saving me seventeen hours of work.

Bruce

Subject: RE: Chord names in DADGAD
From: s&r
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 05:59 PM

D5   Em7sus4   Dma7   Bm   Bm   Dsus   Dadd9   at first sight. You could rename them all sorts of things. I'm sure someone will add their thoughts
E&OE

Stu

Subject: Chord names in DADGAD
From: The Maverick
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 05:27 PM

Can anyone tell me these chords names in DADGAD?

000200
220000
440200
024400
004400
550400
002200

TIA