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Subject: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 06:53 PM

Yesterday I was called to see what was wrong a friend's computer. He has a Pentium 4 Compaq with Ubuntu installed. Every so often, it does bizarre things, locking up or refusing to follow orders.

I was unable to get into the background as I would with XP. There is no antivirus, firewall or registry cleaner installed. I attempted to install Avast. The machine reported that Avast was defective. After several attempts, I switched over to attempting to install AVG with the same result. It would not even let me attempt to install Glary.

The "program setup" icons for Avast and AVG are now on the desktop but will not install. There seems to be no way to remove the programs as I am unable to access the remove program files as I would with XP.

I find this frustrating. I can imagine how the owner of this machine feels. He is barely an operator, knowing how to turn it on, use Firefox to go on line to get his e-mail and use OpenOffice. The person who gave him this gift [in the German sense of the word] is the fiancee of his only daughter and he does not wish to insult him so I cannot replace the Ubunto with XP.

Any advice? He is now talking of getting another machine and only bringing this one out when the fiancee is coming over. What a waste.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: Nick
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 07:21 PM

But consider if you had been given a child with the potential to easily speak many languages by the same person.

But, sadly for some unknown reason, however much you tried to learn the language they currently speak in you couldn't.

Would your friend want you to put the child in a cupboard (to be wheeled out on special occasions out of some notion of 'rightness') or change the mode of communication and enjoy the potential of the present?




(Cupboard works for me, of course)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 07:58 PM

The reason he is not willing to change the OS is that he does not wish to start a family fight. Personally, I would simply say that I had trouble with the OS and went to something easier for me.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: Nick
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 08:04 PM

:)

Me too

Dump the family


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 08:10 PM

upgrade to the newest version of Ubuntu ... it works really good for me and I have not had any problems at all of any type.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 08:15 PM

you cannot install windows software on linux ... the OS is different. Some versions of ubuntu did cause a lockup to occur but the new version will fix that.   don't install anti virus on linux, no need for it. There is a version of anti virus for linux but that is only so you don't pass a virus onto a windows computer via email. No need for it and no windows software will run on ubuntu. Upgrad to the latest version of ubuntu


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: gnomad
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 02:13 AM

To install or remove programmes with ubuntu there is a programme already aboard called Ubuntu Software Centre which will lead you to a huge array of free software (including Antivirus) and install it for you.

As previous posters have said, few Linux users see any need for AV as the system is inherently less vulnerable than Microsoft's products, and the main use of AV on Linux machines is to avoid being an uninfected carrier of a virus.

Ubuntu support can help in various ways, there are also users here who know a lot more than I. As a non-techie who probably uses his machine much as your friend wishes to, I can say that Ubuntu will fulfill his needs without hassles (or AV), but updating is a good plan.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 03:24 AM

There's no point in trying to use a Windows antivirus program to solve what sounds like a Linux driver problem. Windows viruses don't work under Linux, though the rather rarer Linux viruses do. They are rarer because the vast majority of machines are Windows and reciprocally don't run Linux viruses.

Locking up sounds like some driver problem. The drivers most intensively used are the HDD i/o system and the video driver, so they are the prime suspects. Googling 'Ubuntu locks up' gives quite a lot of hits, including this, that suggests disabling some of the more advanced video features.

Noting exactly when it locks up could give some clues- e.g. network driver or some other, but these like the HDD tend to be a lot more standard and so better debugged.

Linux ought to have swept proprietary OS's away by now, if it weren't for its own supporters, whose first response to any problem or shortcoming is often to deny that it exists, then impugn the intelligence of the reporter, next to blame the hardware, and finally to recommend a switch to another flavour of Linux. They do have a big problem in that the manufacturers of chips are often reluctant to reveal details that would allow a proper design of a driver, but the real problem is the fragmentation of effort and lack of a desire for intercompatibility. I often think that much of the effort must be by paid agents of the dark Empire, they are so effective at preventing the technically best OS available from flourishing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 03:36 AM

Paul, I read here that Linus was inherently invulnerable to viruses, since changes to the operating system require operator approval. I had my doubts, but that's what the man said.
Not so?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 07:14 AM

That's a good idea Joe. We should require criminals to ask permission before cutting the wires to the burglar alarm so they can break in your house. Linux IS much more secure by design, and its dominance in areas like web servers means that installations are often looked after by more professional and aware users and vulnerabilities are detected and fixed much faster. Also, the fact that modern Linux desktop installations are designed to discourage users from logging in as superuser/ administrator helps greatly. But there are Linux viruses, exploiting bugs or weak design in areas of the operating system (it's designed by humans), it's mainly the richer pickings to be had from the massively more vulnerable Windows population that means you can live quite happily without a Linux virus checker.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 08:17 AM

The Windows SW will not install on Ubuntu - if you TRY to force it, it can only crash. Fortunately Linux is a bit better than Windows so such a crash will not crash the whole system,

Forfet all teh Windows 'tricks' and favorite SW hacks you know - they won't work.

It seems clear that you & he don't know how to get the Ununtu updates.

You need to run a Linux update package to check online for the latest updates which may just fix your hassles. In any case, it's a waste of time trying diagnose faults without the latest updates anyway - all that effort can just be a waste of time when the bugs have already been fixed.

You dont; say what VERSION of Ubuntu you are running - I can;t really help you with that - depending on how old the system is the version may have already been rendered obsolete.

Look up top see System - click then on teh drop down menu click 'About Ubuntu'. A window will open

Min says

Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!

You are using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS - the Lucid Lynx - released in April 2010 and supported until April 2013.
        

You need to know what version first, really.

Next you need to find what update package you are using

Click on System - Administration to see what packages popup there. Tell us. If you don't see
Update manager
or perhaps
Synaptic (there are heaps of alternates!)

Tell us.

Depending on the installation, I would expect to see an icon on the bottom tool bar for either of those two apps as well. Also on the top bar there may be a little icon that looks like a swirl, or if updates are waiting, a lightbulb. There could be literally HUNDREDS of backlogged updates if you have never updated it....

Just to get started ... :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 08:22 AM

Oh - stay away from that "Ubuntu software center' till you get the essential updates - that only ADDS extra apps - it don't fix nuttin!

I can get often several security updates a day - they are considered urgent and essential to plug 'holes' that may lock up your machine.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 08:40 AM

Sorry about the typos - falling asleep - but had to give some basic help.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: EBarnacle
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 12:18 PM

Apparently his version is rather old and the person who installed it did not give him a toolbar. He has a nekkid desktop screen with only the icons that he "normally" uses and the on/off button, programmed to shut off only.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 09:40 PM

That is the worst of Linux.

The easiest solution now is to back up all his data off the machine (do NOT skip this - a 'new install' sometimes will wipe all data), note down what programs he uses, load a new version, and restore the data, and restore back the programs and the desktop to what he likes.

Try running a 'CD Live version' of the latest build first, to see if he is happy and it may fix the hassles anyway.

Only if it is a VERY ancient machine will it not be good enough


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 09:54 PM

There is a program called Wine that will run Windows programs in Linux, and it works quite well - even with games that require a lot of computer resources.
But no, you wouldn't want to run a Windows antivirus program in Linux. Not at all, at all.

EBarnacle, Ubuntu takes a little bit to get used to, but it does a lot with a small amount of computer resources. The main thing is, you can't try to treat Ubuntu like Windows. If you can do that, you can learn to love Ubuntu.

We needed a computer downstairs at the women's center where I do volunteer work, in a location where the computer is very likely to be stolen. So, I certainly did not want to buy a new computer. I had bought a new Windows 7 laptop for my boss, and she gave me her old, underpowered Windows XP computer. I had an unemployed computer geek stepson at home last summer, and he was threatening to become a total couch potato. So, I gave him a mission: Install Ubuntu on the laptop and make it dummyproof. Well, I have to say that I'm very proud that he succeeded. The two people who use the computer have almost no ability with Windows, so they had no presuppositions. They were immediately able to use Google Chrome for the Internet and Open Office for word processing, and there's a very pretty wallpaper that comes with Ubuntu that they love, so they're very happy. And it gave my kid something to do last summer.

You can run a number of Internet browsers in Ubuntu, but I really like Google Chrome. And Open Office comes with Ubuntu, and it's very much like Office 2003. These two programs will do most things that most people would want to do with a computer. They work amazingly well, and they will work quite well on a ten-year-old computer.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 10:12 PM

"But no, you wouldn't want to run a Windows antivirus program in Linux. Not at all, at all."

In fact, not only will it probably NOT work anyway - I can in explain in 50 pages or more - if it runs AT ALL it will bog the machine down so slow that almost nothing else will run. WINE is an Emulater - the name means WINdows Emulator - it does not run the code directly, but runs each Windows instruction by running a small subprogram for each instruction - can be MASSIVELY slow.

Besides the viruses for Windows mostly CAN NOT RUN on Linux - the 'kernel' is incompatible, as well as where the data structures are stored in memory, as well as the directories where the files are stored on disk are incompatible by name structure.

I won't bother trying to help you remove the Windows programs, as the step of installing a new version will overwrite them probably .


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: GUEST,unemployed computer geek stepson
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 10:53 PM

1) Wine Is Not an Emulator. it is a compatibility layer. It will not run virus software, due to the incomparably of the design. That may be splitting hairs but still.
2) Pentium 4 has plenty of power to run Ubuntu, as long as its got 2 gigs of ram. If can run XP, it can run Ubuntu. All you really need is 64 mb of ram.
3)Choppy performance lead me to two places: insufficient swap, driver problems. Driver implies kernel which may be updated.
4) get the fiancee to fix it. If that is not an option:

Option a)
A reinstall is a rather tacky, but effective solution, assuming that the computer is out of date and a solution is available. If you really need to, I would chose to use kubuntu because it has a more widows look and feel. MAKE SURE YOU BACK UP DATA FIRST.

Option b)
If you really want to fix the box, then you need to recover the application menus. The should be available by right clicking on the bar at the top of the screen. Select Add to Panel. You should add Applications, Places, and System. I believe this is under Main gnome application menu. This should give you access to every thing you need to update the computer. That will be under System and will also include plenty of other tools.

Option c) ask on the Ubuntu forums. They can walk you through the steps to diagnose and fix the problem. If you do not know the password, then you will be stuck with option b.

I hope you find this helpful.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 12:09 AM

I checked the IP - it IS my unemployed computer geek couch potato stepson....

He knows his stuff, but I'd disagree with one thing - no way do you need 2 gigs of RAM to run Ubuntu. 256 MB is about the minimum, but it will run well on 512 MB of RAM.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 02:25 AM

Depends on what you are doing and what apps you run together. If you really want to run Linux on very small HW, it's better to run version built for that.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements

The Recommended Minimum System Requirements, here, should allow even an inexperienced user to easily install a usable system with enough room to be comfortable. A good "rule of thumb" is that machines that could run XP, Vista, Windows 7 or x86 OS X will almost always be a lot faster with Ubuntu. Simply try Ubuntu CD as a Live CD first to check the hardware works.

Ubuntu Desktop Edition

    * 1 GHz x86 processor
    * 1GB of system memory (RAM)
    * 15GB of hard-drive space (although this can be split onto 2 drives, a 5Gb / and a 10Gb /home fairly easily)
    * Graphics card and monitor capable of 1024 by 768
    * Either a CD/DVD Drive or a USB port (or both)
    * Internet access is helpful

Hardware produced in the last few years or with an efficient architecture or machines built for a specific purpose can often work well with less. For example, a netbook with an 8GB SSD will work well although there wont be much room for saving stuff directly onto the drive so Ubuntu's free 2GB Cloud could help a lot. A machine with a crumbling, 15 year-old, slow, 8GB, IDE hard-drive probably won't and doesn't really compare with the netbook anyway.

Machines that are 10 years old or more and that don't meet these guideline will probably require some work to revive; the obvious choice would be to try a lighter-weight distro rather than try a minimal install of Ubuntu. Obviously we hope that a distro such as Xubuntu (see below) can keep you in the official Ubuntu group or one such as Lubuntu or Debian might keep you in the same family. However it might be worth looking further afield at distros such as Wolvix, sliTaz (slightly French) or in extreme cases Puppy. Explore from the main pages at DistroWatch

    *

      http://distrowatch.com

The easiest and most effective step towards a minimal install of Ubuntu is to install a lighter-weight Desktop Environment such as Xfce (see Xubuntu below), LxDE (see Lubuntu (not officially supported yet)) or Enlightenment to name just a few of the most popular. Some of the larger applications, such as OpenOffice, could be swapped for very much lighter equivalents but for more information about doing a minimal install please see the guides


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 12:18 PM

I have an Ubuntu disk from late last year. I beleive I will try to install that and give him an interface he can live with. He already has OpenOffice as part of his working screen.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 05:59 PM

Really, Linux needs regular updates - many security updates are issued far more often than MS - that's because they find and fix them, not that MS is better.

Find the 'update manager' in System - Admin and drop it on the taskbar so he will know there are updates.

.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 07:55 PM

Good idea. The new installation will have a task bar, which it currently does not.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 08:57 PM

If it's still the same, would not use Kubuntu. I'm not really in the Ubuntu camp anyway, preferring OpenSuse but even allowing for that...

The last time I looked, I thought the KDE set up on Kubuntu was lousy (and I would not say that about the Gnome set up on Ubuntu which, while not for me, in fairness was quite good). OpenSuse really does (or at least did) do KDE far far better.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Apr 11 - 11:53 PM

The next Ubuntu version will not default to Gnome, but some new fangled fad.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: GUEST,unemployed computer geek stepson
Date: 11 Apr 11 - 06:39 PM

Its Unity, and it is not going to run on anything that does not have a high end gpu. My virtual box with 2 gigs of ram and gpu that handles kde with full desktop effects could not run it. Don't update to Ubuntu 11.04 unless you are sure your system can handle it. (An old xp box can't).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Apr 11 - 08:37 PM

You CAN revert to other GUIs.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Incompatibility bet Ubuntu y Avast Glary
From: EBarnacle
Date: 11 Apr 11 - 10:31 PM

When I caught up with him today, I found out that the issue has become moot. He has taken the CPU and closeted it. The unit will be returned to his daughter. He is getting a Mac machine and a Windows machine. He will take them home and decide between them. Then he will return the one he likes less.


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