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BS: Some people are so stupid...

Dave the Gnome 22 Apr 11 - 05:34 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Apr 11 - 12:44 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Apr 11 - 01:33 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Apr 11 - 12:12 AM
gnu 20 Apr 11 - 03:24 PM
GUEST,Shimrod 20 Apr 11 - 02:35 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Apr 11 - 02:27 PM
GUEST,Patsy 20 Apr 11 - 06:50 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 20 Apr 11 - 06:37 AM
Penny S. 20 Apr 11 - 04:37 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 20 Apr 11 - 04:27 AM
Dave the Gnome 20 Apr 11 - 03:11 AM
LadyJean 20 Apr 11 - 12:57 AM
Smokey. 20 Apr 11 - 12:40 AM
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Little Hawk 19 Apr 11 - 07:34 PM
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Little Hawk 19 Apr 11 - 07:14 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 05:34 PM

On the bus on the way back from Manchester today - The 37, oddly enough, the one that goes via Solfod Preeky, a young bloke, obviously worse for wear, was asked by the driver to show his ticket again as the driver had not seen it properly. The youth in question slapped his ticket on the the screen so hard I am surpised it dod not crack, while slurring the words, "You have fuckin well seen it now haven't you, twat?". As he staggered up the stairs the bus lurched forward and the lad fell back down again, landing in a heap on the floor. The driver stopped of course and insisted that the ambulance was called but the young man would have none of it. Pushing the driver aside he staggered back off the bus.

Now, I am not saying the driver lurched the bus on purpose, but do you reckon it was divine intervention..? :-)

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Apr 11 - 12:44 AM

I know, I know..things didn't turn out the way you thought it was planned..hell, I'd get pissed at the bullshit politicians, and make a concerted effort to filter out the lies, and emotional hoop-ti-doo, and stop shooting the messenger!..As per aforementioned, I'm on YOUR side!

Waving,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 01:33 AM

Hey..i just found this old relic from about three years ago......
(I sure have been pissing off a lot of political party pushers for a while..BUT..I've been right!!! NOTE the date!:

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 02:21 AM

Sorry, forgot to post name...

From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 03:20 PM

If Obama is elected things will turn around quickly.

This is complete nonsense!!!
I've told you a dozen or more times, that regardless who 'wins' the election, that the dollar was going to be de-valuated, after the election(if it can wait that long). I've said a lot of 'right on' things in here, and all I get is arguments from starry eyed 'kumbaya-ers'....even when what I've said comes true in front of your very eyes! Not to mention shpeels on responsibility, in regards to reliance on the government for a number of things.

Obama wants to 'give' us all these entitlement programs, which no one can pay for! The government CAN NOT continue to print fiat money, to pay for any of it. Obama promises to cut capital gain taxes for small businesses..only problem is..small businesses don't pay captial gains taxes..they pay business income taxes..but you just keep lapping up this crap, like the good little media fed robots that this nation has become!

McCain is not much better! What you have here, is the two wings of a SOCIALIST party pushing through their agenda. I believe that this is the reason that so many people are undecided about who to vote for...nobody, in their gut feels 'right' about either one! Now we have had, for years, a capitalist/socialist system, but that, dear boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, is about to change!! We are headed for a socialist republic...like the last 'SR' in USSR..which was (and is) an abysmal way of life. Gone will be all the perks of entitlements that we've grown so accustomed to. Fuel is going to go through the roof, credit, gone..inflation rising faster than a woody in the morning! Retirement pensions will be meaningless, if even around...social security, a memory....Jobs?..forget it!..even those ones that American citizens 'wouldn't take, so the illegal aliens had them!..All those lame-ass propaganda nonsense talking points will make you sick, when before you embraced them. We've been had, by a corrupt(remember me mentioning that??) political agenda for decades!!..which I've been pointing out to you, and NOW THE MEDIA IS FINALLY 'BRINGING IT UP' occasionally. I've implored you, as writers, and musicians to sing, write and speak against it...what have I gotten??..zilch(except for a few)!!

Now is the time(maybe) to retrieve your heads from your posteriors, get off the bullshit party lines of idiocy, and get right...and confront it..ask the right questions..and in the meantime buckle your seat belts and and hang on...this is going to be a lot tougher that you've even imagined!

God Bless, and stay safe!
GfS

Anything like where we've managed to come around to???????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 11 - 12:12 AM

SH-imrod: "Best to you too GfS. You can carry on calling me 'Nimrod' if you like...."

Oh goodie goodie goodie goodie goodie goodie goodie goodie !!!
wink!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: gnu
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 03:24 PM

"Nimrod"... hunter or a fool who calls people silly names.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 02:35 PM

Best to you too GfS. You can carry on calling me 'Nimrod' if you like - I've been called worse!


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 02:27 PM

GUEST,Shimrod: "GfS - the thing about the boxer and the hands - very neat analogy if I may say so!"

You know, I say a lot of stuff on here, that somehow is taken wrong, for I think people tend to imagine me using a 'hostile' voice tone..when actually, I'm FAR from it. Some opinions I lay down, are just based on FACTS instead of an opinion, formed from trying to 'uphold' some politically based reasoning, that has co-opted a lot of us in music, particularly 'folk' music, which was noted for it's protest songs, from the sixties...so the ASSUMPTION is that 'folkies' and liberal causes are synonymous...BUT..clearly, they are NOT!

All the 'isms' and 'tics' describing ANY political beliefs are a direct 'chip away' at our Freedoms and Liberties, and are only being propagated to enhance the power base of the top guys, promoting all those same 'isms' and 'tics'. It is a major deceptive LIE perpetrated on our nations, as a whole!!!....and behind the scenes, the 'apparent' opposing 'leaders' are all in bed with each other, and whomever is greasing them with the MONEY, to promote furthering their own goals...AT THE COST OF OUR LIBERTY, FREEDOM, AND NATIONAL IDENTITIES. The fat cats at the top, couldn't give a rat's ass about the well being of ANY nation's population being free or productive, UNLESS it serves them! Remember, they can afford to go ANYWHERE on this planet, and dust off their shoes at any one country, once their done using them up!!..including the UK, the USA or anywhere that they can utilize that country's wealth, and military, to accomplish their goals..and they will do that, till they use them up!!...and all the while quell the unrest with political platitudes, on how much they 'care' and are really 'helping'.

If you have ANY doubt, whatsoever, compare what they're SAYING, to what they are really DOING!!!

So, if it appears that sometime I step on some toes, or say something 'politically incorrect' too bad!!...I'm NOT the one hustling you!!!..but I might still just rip away at the misinformation that is being propagated..that some on here, and other places are succumbing to...to all our destruction!

Peace, Love, Freedom and Liberty!

GfS

P.S. Besides, once you are a parent, and/or a musician, your path is already clearly laid out for you! Best to you!..(even though sometimes I call you 'Nimrod')...wink!


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 06:50 AM

I have to admit I have on occasion encountered rudeness - ignorance really, as described in Penny's thread and from people who should be old enough to know better. In Cuba one particular older women moaned and groaned about every single little thing you could imagine. Not getting water always on time in the room, the room wasn't good enough, didn't like the trips. mosquitos, you name it there was something wrong with it. She had a tantrum because her wine wasn't on the table ready as soon as she walked in to the restaurant, the place was too hot (unbelievably) and when hotel staff were falling over themselves to make things ok her middle-aged male companion accused them of 'only being after the pesos'. Obviously the thought about reading up on anything about the culture before taking a holiday like that hadn't crossed their minds I shouldn't think. You don't have to know every single detail about Cuba or anywhere like that but it helps to understand a little bit about the people etc. With role models like that you cannot blame the young. I could have been equally rude and suggested that they stick to Benidorm or Blackpool in future but that would have made me as bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 06:37 AM

The full version of this wonderful speech is in the 'Re-Thinking Education' thread.

Ken Robinson on Changing Education Paradigms


If you want to figure out why so many kids are switching off from wanting to be educated, many of the answers are in that brilliant speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Penny S.
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 04:37 AM

LadyJean may have come across the lady (her preferred term I suspect, but there may be others more appropriate) from Surrey (presumed) who entered into conversation (but see below) with a lady from Canada I was travelling with, in Dubrovnik.
My companion was buying things in the Old Pharmacy, and commented that she wasn't sure of the equivalent value of the euros.
"Typical of you Americans, the value of money doesn't matter!" interjects the Brit of whom I am ashamed.
My companion, in a voice dripping ice, "I'll have you know I am Canadian."
"No difference," retorts the upperclass chav.
People like that I have to apologise for, and that includes the people who "correct" LadyJean's vocabulary.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 04:27 AM

GfS - the thing about the boxer and the hands - very neat analogy if I may say so!


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 03:11 AM

LadyJean - have you learned nothing on this thread? You must not tar everyone with the same brush. If you label everyone in England as speaking in the same sharp tone you are as guilty demeaning a whole race. We are nothing but the victims of circumstance and resent the imperialist oppresion laid on us by our American masters and we will fight back in the only way we know - by being loud mouthed and rude! All we need is a little love and attention and we will act like normal peace loving New-Yorkers...

( Big Grin btw - but I am sure you realised)

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: LadyJean
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:57 AM

I remember Jean Redpath being funny about the fact that British and Americans use different words for things. Though not so many as you might think, here in Western PA. The local dialect includes a lot of Scots words. (We redd up, instead of clean up, and streets are slippy in the winter.) She seemed very unBritishly amused by our differences.

In the U.S. if you say, "It's in the boot," someone will explain, somewhat sheepishly, "Uh over here we call usually call it a trunk." In England if you say, "It's in the trunk." Someone will say sharply, "That's boot!" It's not what you say, it's the way that you say it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:40 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:40 AM

Uh... dunno how that happened.. call it quirky and unpredictable. Or minimalist self-expression. There are probably deep psychological reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:03 AM

Smokey is speechless!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Apr 11 - 12:00 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 11:46 PM

Hawkers: "If people don't figure out how to do it for themselves willingly and by choice, I think necessity will eventually force them to."

I think we're here, already! The Tea Party is an option being offered..BUT...as I've said before, I'm not with the party; I'm with the band!

Jeez, I'm starting to repeat myself!
(slow learners)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 10:25 PM

I'm not sure why, but I feel this song should be here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6ueUDQeWfc


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 08:47 PM

". . . Pretty bird. Pretty bird. . . ."

Sorry. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 08:13 PM

"You don't hit the boxer's hands to take him down."

Forget about the boxer ... don't even get into the ring ... you be wasting time and energy ,playing their game, even if you do sock the opponent down right or left handed, cause he'll just get back up again sooner or later .... instead, check the bars down the street .... you'll probably find a good band playing.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 07:34 PM

Yup. It's not a question of choosing between old established (and very corrupt) parties along old partisan divides. It's a question of choosing a brand new way of seeing things and doing things.

If people don't figure out how to do it for themselves willingly and by choice, I think necessity will eventually force them to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 07:25 PM

Little Hawk(yo-ho), when Dylan wrote "Times They Are A' Changin'" you'll note in the verse, "Come Senators Congressmen please heed the call, Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall..." notice, he didn't specify either party!!!!


and just for good measure:

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

Bob Dylan


Some things either never change..or some of us saw it all along!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 07:14 PM

That's right. You don't hit the boxer's hands to take him down. You nail him right dead center if you want to take him down. That requires getting past his right hand and his left hand to the central controlling intelligence/power combo which guides both hands.

That is also the controlling intelligence/power combo which finances the campaigns, sets up the voting districts, runs the political commercials, arranges the big contracts, owns the mass media, etc.

Tricky business taking this boxer down. What I think is that he will eventually fall under his own weight. What happens after that is unclear, but there will be much collateral damage, that's for sure.

In the meantime, I try to set my own house (my life, that is) in order as best I can, and I have friends on both the Right and the Left, most of them busy attacking the boxer's hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:12 PM

Mad Polly: "GfS No, you are not allowed to call me that. I am a classless (and tasteless), liguisticaly challenged victim of right wing oppresion...."

Hey, don't feel bad, but just to console you, the right is a victim of themselves, as the left. I have given this analogy before, but maybe before your time on here..so here it is:
You get into the ring with a boxer; he hits you with a right, and another right..then a left hook, another right, and two more lefts. The problem is us wee folk victims keep focusing on the which hand the blow comes from....BUT, its the same boxer!!!
Only the clueless try to land blows on the boxer's hands....."

Think on it.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 06:01 PM

Love it, L :-) And I find the plight of the poor old caged parrot far from symbolic for reasons I would rather not say. But that is yet another role ;-)

Cheers

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 05:10 PM

This first link is the 'chav' bit from the second link leading to the entire documentary about Britain in the 'noughties' 2000/2010.

'The Rise of the Chav' - trailer for BBC Documentary

BBC 'History of Now' documentary - The Story of the Noughties - Part 1 of 4 (the other 3 parts are there too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 04:33 PM

The (symbolic) plight of caged birds seems quite apt to me, Mad Polly, so much so that I once wrote a protest song about it called "Polly Don't Want No Cracker!"

It's a little bit of humorous satire about condescension and similar issues. ;-) At any rate, the parrot in the song also warns what might happen if those cage bars weren't there.

Some of the verses:

Polly don't want no cracker!
Polly's had it up to here...
Polly don't want no cracker!
Polly's had it up to here...
You can take that goddamn cracker
And stick it in your ear!

Polly don't want no cracker!
Polly just wants some respect.
Polly don't want no cracker!
Polly just wants some respect.
You come pokin' around this cage, boy...
You're gonna get it in the neck!

Bridge:
Polly don't want no cracker
Polly want's a shot of love!
Polly don't want no cracker
Polly wants it from above
Polly don't want no cracker
Polly wants some kind of life!
Polly could use a nice fine-feathered wife...

And so on. ;-) Perhaps we are all somewhat akin to birds in cages, as we are so often trapped in cages of the mind.

I'm glad you liked the thing on role-playing. Rather than pointing fingers, I'd like to focus on the things that trip up all of us at times. We face them together and we must find ways of dealing effectively with them, and not waste our energy sniping at each other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 03:30 PM

No offence taken, Lox, so absolutely no hard feelings. We can agree that the issues are controversial at least. Now - how's about that alternative word I am after? :-)

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lox
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 03:26 PM

No hard feeling folks and no need for apologies.

We can definitely agree that issues surrounding the word "chav" are both sensitive and controversial.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 03:26 PM

Damn! I've been outed! I do indeed get fed up those people, LH, and if I hear the same old thing one more time... Well, all I can say is that it is a good job those cage bars are in the way! You know, I have read a few posts of yours before but none have ever struck home as much as the role play one, It is gem of wisdom amongst the dross (and I include the poop all over the bottom of my cage in that). Makes the rest of the arguments worth reading just to come to that one. Well, almost:-)

GfS No, you are not allowed to call me that. I am a classless (and tasteless), liguisticaly challenged victim of right wing oppresion.

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 03:05 PM

Mad Polly: "I DID retort to bad language, but if I remember rightly it was only to say - To those who would excuse the use of bad language - FUCK OFF. That, I feel, is quite ironic and was purposely so. For that I make no apology."

..and me, not knowing what a 'chav' is, nor do I think it's all that earth shattering, other than they are 'rude and foul mouthed' as a previous poster said,..are you a 'chav'?

Shit, I get a little salty myself!...but I don't play 'football'....Where am I? ..and where is my damned computer???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:50 PM

I KNEW it! ;-) You're a male parrot, aren't you, Mad Polly? Don't you get absolutely fed up with being offered "a cracker" all the time by ignorant, bigoted people? Most parrots I know get positively sick of hearing people say "Polly want a cracker?" over and over again, and I can definitely sympathize with their plight. It's rank stereotyping, it's stupid, it's specist, and we should all join in condemning it utterly and pointing out just how mean it is to denigrate parrots in that fashion.

I will be participating in an anti-prejudice rally in Ottawa this coming weekend. We will collectively express our FROTHING OUTRAGE about the bad treatment of "hosers" (sort of the Canadian version of "chavs"), gays, people who aren't absolutely gorgeous, short people, dimensionally larger than average people (they used to be called "f-t" but DON'T SAY IT!), pigmentally challenged people of various hues, people who just don't look like our personal favorite type of people look, AND PARROTS!!!

I can't wait to express my outrage over all this thoughtless prejudice and stereotyping. Positively chafing at the bit here. I need to VENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) I get a warm glow inside thinking of all the good this upcoming rally will do. You betcha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:19 PM

Lox...

Hopefuly clear up a few misconceptions here. I don't recall having disputed the meaning of chav. I could be wrong though, in which case I apologise and correct myself here. I don't recal getting particularly heated about it either but then again if I did blah-de-blah etc. What I did say was if the word is not acceptable then let me know what is and I will, in future, use that in your company. I think that is pretty faor.

I don't recall you letting me know what an acceptable term for an obnoxious, anti-social and loud mouthed person is but then again, if you did, can you repeat it please, because I missed it.

I DID retort to bad language, but if I remember rightly it was only to say - To those who would excuse the use of bad language - FUCK OFF. That, I feel, is quite ironic and was purposely so. For that I make no apology.

Finaly - you refer to me as 'she'. I am not. If you would care to check out any of my posts you will find that I am male, albeit I have undergone a recent sex change in name only. It realy is quite easy to spot and I think you may have known who I was before and just not realised.

Cheers

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lox
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:09 PM

No richard.

They were all seen the same way.

Besides which, we are taking about 11 year old kids now, so even if "chav" were just about behaviour, it would be an ill-judged and frankly quite tasteless term.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:01 PM

Lox - in your "chav" school you had chavs and some who were not chavs, who I hope you sought to protect. Geddit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lox
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 12:55 PM

Shimrod.

I hope you don't make a habit of putting your foot in your mouth.

Its not a good look.

1. "Indeed, and I hope that one day you will take the time to look up "socialism" and "class struggle"." Lox in reply to Richard Bridge, 14 April - 08.04 PM. Sounds pretty ideological to me, Comrade Lox!

You obviously don't know Richard very well or you would know that he is a self professed socialist.

My comment above was a direct response to him (hence the use of his name).

It does not represent my ideology.

2. "So what you're saying is that chavs DO exist and there IS a problem with their behaviour even at school?"

No Shimrod.

Why don't you stop trying to be clever and start applying your mind.

You stated that as education is free and that there is no excuse for not learning.

The fact is that if you had gone to the school I am talking about, your education would have been very different.

The kids there have been dumped and forgotten and marginalized in their "chav" ghetto, or "chavtown" and the only hope they have, and often the only stability, is from teachers and community workers who try, often in vain, to give them a sense of hope and aspiration.

This task is made very difficult by a shortage of resources.

It is made harder by the fact that these kids are viewed with contempt by the local council, not to mention those a rung above them on the class ladder.

It is known as a chav school because the kids who go there are seen as Chavs by outsiders - not because they are chavs.

I know it has a reputation as a chav school because I used to hear it referred to as one all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 12:21 PM

": Some people are so stupid..."

Does that refer to the 'Chavs'(whatever they are), or the people arguing about what they are and the 'correct' behavior, for 'incorrect behaving 'chavs'????????

GfS

P.S. On this subject, ignorance is bliss!


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 12:15 PM

If you are poor, how will you get educated? What school can you afford?


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 12:09 PM

"Indeed, and I hope that one day you will take the time to look up "socialism" and "class struggle"." Lox in reply to Richard Bridge, 14 April - 08.04 PM. Sounds pretty ideological to me, Comrade Lox!

But what's this I spy in in your last post?

"And you clearly missed my remarks that I have worked in a "chav" school.

It was not a place where you learned anything more than 'how to survive a chav school'.

For some that meant being good at football, for others it meant being safe in a gang.

For those not lucky enough to have either, it meant sitting near the teachers desk clutching your belongings in fear."

So what you're saying is that chavs DO exist and there IS a problem with their behaviour even at school?


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lox
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 10:27 AM

Shimrod,

Ideological Blinkers?

Well before I challenge you to find evidence of my ideology on this thread let me just respond to a couple of points you have made.


1. "as RB said above (and it's worth repeating over and over again): "It is not about class. It is about a subset of behaviour.""

I know Richard said this. All it means is that he is unaware or has no experience of other ways in which "chav" is commonly used.

2. "you ignored the point that I made then, that they all received a free education - so there is no reason why they should be uneducated."

And you clearly missed my remarks that I have worked in a "chav" school.

It was not a place where you learned anything more than 'how to survive a chav school'.

For some that meant being good at football, for others it meant being safe in a gang.

For those not lucky enough to have either, it meant sitting near the teachers desk clutching your belongings in fear.

3. "To my mind someone who goes around with 'ideological blinkers' on is poorly educated. It seems to me that such a person is unable to think for themselves and has to rely on a ready-made formula to provide their 'thoughts' for them."

Is this you trying to set yourself up above me?

Fine - you can have it. I don't need it.

But perhaps while you're locating where I have stated an ideology, you can also indicate where I have used a formula and what it is.

4. "you must come from a very sheltered background if you think that the term 'rear end' is 'foul mouthed'!"

well lets not miss anything out eh?

"stuck so far up your smug, sanctimonious, self-righteous rear end!!"

Are you suggesting that this is a tasteful image? Or a witty riposte?

I couldn't give a monkeys really about the intended insult - it completely lacks teeth and looks a bit sheepish in the cold light of day.

But it does suggest a level of double standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 09:55 AM

Lox,

I only become 'foul-mouthed' when I'm confronted by stubborn, sanctimonious ... people like you. I've just re-read my last post, by the way, and you must come from a very sheltered background if you think that the term 'rear end' is 'foul mouthed'!

What you keep stubbornly insisting on is that labelling someone as a 'chav' is to comment negatively on their class origins; as RB said above (and it's worth repeating over and over again): "It is not about class. It is about a subset of behaviour."

In a previous post you described chavs as being 'uneducated' and you ignored the point that I made then, that they all received a free education - so there is no reason why they should be uneducated. Perhaps they disrupted lessons or played truant? If that's true they have no one to blame but themselves. If my working class parents had heard that I had disrupted lessons or played truant there would have been 'hell to pay' - my parents knew the value of a decent education.

To my mind someone who goes around with 'ideological blinkers' on is poorly educated. It seems to me that such a person is unable to think for themselves and has to rely on a ready-made formula to provide their 'thoughts' for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lox
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 09:19 AM

Indeed,

By Richards Definiton of "chav", i.e. someone boorish, foul moithed and generally antisocial, Shim and MP are both coming across as decidedly Chavvy.

And considering that MPs original post was about laughing at a couple of rude people for allegedly refusing speak Engklish properly, she is making quite a song and dance about refusing to acknowledge the meaning of "Chav".

Not that any of us is above judgement, but it is a point that sure helps to keep us down to earth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lox
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 09:11 AM

Well Shimrod,

I see that, like Mad Polly, your main tactic in defending the use of a derogatory term is to throw around more derogatory terms.

How embarassing for you.

And how ironic that people so concerned about foul mouthed yobs are so quick to start swearing and spitting themselves.

"Chav" is a word and it has a meaning.

If you don't find it interesting then fine, but to react to that knowledge wiith so much Vitriol is very curious indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 04:26 AM

""Lots of my friends grew up on housing estates - and some of them, like me, grew up in rented housing. Those people are not chavs and neither am I!"

Thats how you use the word Chav.

The fact is that the word chav is a derogatory term that refers with contempt to people perceived by the user to be lower class."

Lox, you are a sanctimonious, self-righteous ... person. I think that we probably need to dream up a derogatory term to describe people like you!

I can't do better than to quote Richard Bridge above:

"Lox, you have not heard. It is not about class. It is about a subset of behaviour. Plenty of people of working class, plenty of people from the underclass are not chavs.

You are not listening because it does not suit your version of the class war."

You've probably not heard that either because you're stuck so far up your smug, sanctimonious, self-righteous rear end!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 02:42 AM

"Just because people are working class, lower class, underclass, poor or claimants does not make everything they do right."


Neither does it make everything they do.....wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 01:49 AM

Char is also used to refer to tea, as in "cup of char".


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 11 - 12:01 AM

I thought 'char' was a fish.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 11:22 PM

And char is an abbreviation for charwoman (a rapidly vanishing species around here).


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Subject: RE: BS: Some people are so stupid...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Apr 11 - 07:45 PM

Lox: "Chav is a noun."

..and Chaz is a dude!

GfS


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