BS: Don't touch that steak!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 08:14 AM

Thanks tunesmith, I've had a look and it does look interesting. I switched to a similar diet five years ago. Not quiote as strict but - no dairy except yoghurt, but still keep in some carbs, although greatly reduced + I don't have them at night. Protein = nuts, beans, tofu, tempeh. My health has improved significantly since adjusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: bobad
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 08:11 AM

Gimme a pigfoot and a bottle of beer.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 07:50 AM

I think that we can draw a comparison between people who eat meat - particularly red meat - and revel in the fact, and smokers who exclaim the joys of sucking smoke deep down into the lungs - and then adding the inevitable, "you've got to die of something!"

Sure, we're all going to die, but chopping years off ones time on earth is pretty stupid!

Also, those who follow a proper "green" diet will, I'm sure, stand a far better chance of being healthier in their later years.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 04:43 AM

I have come to a conclusion that I do need some meat and fish in my diet along with a good amount of vegetables and fruit but wouldn't be too upset if I couldn't always have steak or red meat. On Easter Sunday I roasted a nice piece of pork with crackling which my boys both love but I hate crackling. I can do it fine but it's just that I have an aversion to fat, any fat and it is not because I am obsessed it is just the smell and texture, yuck, but everyone gets what they want from the joint plus it makes really tasty gravy.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: gnu
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 03:30 PM

999... Sara? Oh dear. I am on a horny dilemma. To joke or not to joke. That is the cornyundrum.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 12:34 PM

Of course, if you ate like Campbell, Fuhrman and friends advocate then you certainly wouldn't be eating too much carbs, fat and sugar.
Check out the link on one of my previous postings to a youtube video where Dr Fuhrman talks about diabetes. The posting is dated:       24 April - 10.45am

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: freda underhill
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 10:50 AM

I haven't eaten any meat since 1972, and I have diabetes type 2. Being vegetarian is not necessarily a fast track to glowing health.

Too much carbs, fat, and sugar has just as negative effect as meat can have. and in moderation, I think it's ok (but you wouldn't catch me eating the stuff.)

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 08:46 AM

A piece of meat approx the size of the palm of your hand 2-3 times a week is all the meat you need along with your veges.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 06:11 AM

It's all a question of moderation - your gut needs to be treated with respect. I didn't quite do this in Argentina and suffered accordingly, but have now reverted to what I'm used to so am OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 02:54 AM

I know you little devils are teasing me but your eating habits are plain stupid! Here's a link to the findings of a recent study on the connection between eating red meat and colon cancer.

Cancer/meat connection

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 07:51 PM

"There are very few places where you can buy grass fed meat at the same price as feedlot meat. "

That may be true of the USA, bit it is not true for Australia.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 06:05 PM

I'm busy munching my way through a herd of water buffalo just along the A55. Well, somebody has to.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 05:59 PM

"how much nutrition you as a human would get out of a pound of grass"

Very little in my case because I always get the munchies and resume my love affair with Sara Lee.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 05:38 PM

3" thick? That's a roast. Or, as she said, 3" thick meat... gimmie!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 05:31 PM

That is a mini-bife, the full size is 3 inches thick and 9 inches long, no good for an alcoholic!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 05:01 PM

A steak? That's a tidbit.

And there are far too many fried spuds. Gimme a BIG BBQd rib steak with fried onions and shrooms and fresh bread with cold salt free marg and a cold beer. Well, several beer.

Tunesmith... can you play at my funeral?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 04:22 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16874284@N05/5654587815/in/photostream

Now this is steak!!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: gnu
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 01:58 PM

Canada 80.7

Well, I'll be bringin that down considerable. Not TOO soon, I hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 08:43 PM

Generalized age expectancy figures, such as '73' for China, could be misleading. Depends not only on diet but on life style, sanitation, etc.

Beijing- 80.1 years.
Hong Kong and Macau a bit better than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 08:21 PM

From Wikipedia They got their numbers from the CIA World Factbook, 2009
Japan 82.6 (highest)

Australia 81.2
Canada 80.7
USA is 78.3
China 73.0

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 08:14 PM

Last timeI looked, the Chinese have a shorter lifetime expectancy than either Australians or Canadians. Haven't encountered too many Australian vegetarians.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 08:02 PM

Your liver manufactures cholesterol.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 07:34 PM

Oh my Tuney.......Do you mean to tell me that you never bother with those tests because you're vegetarian?   Goodness gracious.......How can you? Many people with cholesterol problems have them because of heredity. Matter of fact there are plenty of tragic cases like yours of health nuts who croaked because of unknown genetic problems, like Euell Gibbons.............

I admittedly shortened my life greatly through smoking. If I lose another day or two because I love great food that's like a pea (or a pee for that matter)in the Grand Canyon. Remember you might also get run down by a bus which is far more likely in your world because they're on the wrong side of the road.....................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 04:46 PM

Tunesmith... everything in moderation, including being toooo healthy. All work and no play makes... people sick too.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 04:29 PM

Well, at least tune boy doesn't come knocking on the door like the Jehovahs Witlesses.

Having a rib steak tonight, with broccoli, and fresh strawberries with Demerara sugar.
A salmon souffle tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Smokey.
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 04:26 PM

I tried eating vegetarian for a while - they taste quite like pork but you get bored quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 04:13 PM

catspaw49, I don't know my cholestrol level, but then I don't eat anything containing cholestrol (there's no cholestrol in plants - you know!).
I predict that there will come a moment - or likely many moments - in your future life when you will think back on this thread and wonder, with regret, what if ...

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 03:12 PM

It swears that preaching on and on will often get you elected but gets sorta' aggravating after awhile.

Lsst night we had sesame/ginger tilapia with broccoli, tonight we're doing a rib roast......rib has great marbling and that higher fat content means more flavor.

My last cholesterol check was in March......104. How is yours Tuney?


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 02:31 PM

The stupidity of mankind leaves me gasping!

All around us friends and relatives are popping off - usually, far too early - because of a range of "Western diseases".

Along comes a whole army of nutritionists who say the "Western Diseases" are caused by our Western diet.
One of these - T Colin Campbell - spends most of his adult life studying the effects of the Western diet, and then he gets involved in most comprehensive study of nutrition ever undertaken.

And, then, guess what? Some idiot says he's probably talking a load of bullshit!

Of course, the real bullshit is coming from the other side!

Governments who daren't tell the truth because of the effect it would have on huge chunks of industry.

Take the huge drug companies. Dr Joel Fuhrman - in the link I have previously, states that he can get people off diabeties drugs with a plant based diet.
Now, ask youself why the government aren't going with Dr Fuhrman but prefer to let the drugs companies make a fortune with their drug sales.

As Bob Dylan once said " money doesn't talk, it swears!"

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 02:00 PM

If you were predicting that we wouldn't want to pay for and read a book we believed might possibly be bullshit, you did indeed call that right.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 01:57 PM

I finished off my original post by saying "I bet hardly anyone reading the above info will go out and buy the book... the that is surely food ( plant based, of course) for thought."

I guess I read you guys correctly!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 01:52 PM

Too many preachers around. Next thing ya know, one will pop up here preaching the dangers of single malt.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: gnu
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 01:40 PM

Where would the bacteria be without cows? Three moos for cows!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 01:37 PM

I don't digest grass well either so maybe I need some cow probiotic supplement. 'Course most omnivores don't digest any green stuff well............Except those like me of Italian heritage. We digest dandelion greens quite well and dandelions will grow anywhere. Matter of fact there was an FBI operation to get rid of the Mafia in the United States by planting dandelions in the middle of the freeways. Didn't work though because too many innocent Italian-Americans were dying. I lost several Aunts and a slew of cousins...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 01:21 PM

By the way, cows don't digest grass. The bacteria in their digestive system do. They break it down into nutrients for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 10:45 AM

It's not as if all this talk of meat vs veg is a matter of life and death!
Hey, wait a minute! Surely that's exactly what it is!
From what I have read- and experienced - I'm convinced that moving to a plant based diet, and rejecting meat/dairy products/junk food/processed food, is the best way to protect yourself against the horrors of cancer, heart disease, diabeties, obesity, arthirist etc.
And,I believe the evidence is out there to back this up.

Check this video out for just one aspect of why a plant based diet is the way to go.

Youtube clip. Dr Fuhrman on diabeties and diet.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 10:18 AM

"...no thinking man would do that but an anti-social idiot would!"

Tsk, Tunesmith... I've met Catspaw, and I can assure you he's a VERY social idiot!

But I do agree with him about 'preaching'. If we avoided everything that 'some' say is dangerous or unhealthy, we'd die or boredom if we didn't die of starvation.
Eat what you wish, climb mountains, fight bulls, ...but don't complain. (I do NOT advocate smoking 'if you wish', as that has been proven to be totally unhealthy...whereas many meat-eaters live to be 99.)

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 09:19 AM

When you talking nutrition, meat is very poor! But, the breakdown of healthty nutrition in green veg is amazing!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 07:39 AM

If it were only grass, there would be no disagreement. Grass, however, is a straw man, meant to be knocked down.

Meat animals eat various grains, receive antibiotics and consume ground up offal. [You've heard of Mad Cow disease, haven't you?] There are very few places where you can buy grass fed meat at the same price as feedlot meat.

In addition, the feedlot animals emit waste products which are higher in methane production than grass fed animals do.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 05:27 AM

"There is no question about the amount of fodder needed to produce a pound [or kilo] of meat. "

So can you tell me how much nutrition you as a human would get out of a pound of grass... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 03:41 AM

catspaw49: You're right there, no thinking man would do that but an anti-social idiot would!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 12:37 AM

Ya' know, I just get tired of being preached at as if I didn't know the score. I've known the score for a long time but in food I chose eating all things in some moderation although I sometimes go over the edge because I enjoy it. The health problems I have are related to smoking almost 100% and that was a dumbass choice. But I knew that too.

Being a "thinking man" or making intelligent decisions has little to do with my life which I have enjoyed immensely. Passion on the other hand has everything to do with it. For 45 years I have ridden motorcycles because I love them.........perhaps you have read the statistics and studies. Obviously a "thinking man" would not be found on a bike. When I was younger I sailed a lot and often under adverse conditions when it was (for me) the most fun. And for the rest of my recreational time on spring and summer weekends I could be found strapping into specially built and extremely powerful cars filled with methanol fuel and driving in circles, often sideways. No "thinking man" does that, but passionate people often do. Passion and fun win out every time.......but that's just me.

I read the studies and they don't always agree but it doesn't matter. If they wind your watch, good for you! Have at it but try not to preach on the subject.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: EBarnacle
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 10:10 PM

Don't worry, just do what seems right. It causes fewer wrinkles.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 07:53 PM

I'll find out whether I 'done right' when I'm bloody well dead, as the song has it.
In the meantime- what, me worry?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 07:46 PM

bobad... agreed... to live that long AND have the mental accuity, intelligence and insight as demonstrated in numerous posts herein... must be a diet worth considering.

Sorry, Q, if that embarasses you.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 07:28 PM

I've been an omnivore for years, but will probably have to become a vegetarian in the near future.

Dodge stopped producing Omnis in 1990, so they're becoming harder to find each year. And the few that are left are in pretty bad shape. Once you cut away all the rust and toss out the mildewed seats and carpet there's barely enough left to make it worth taking to the butcher shop.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: bobad
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 05:52 PM

Would that we all live to Q's age.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 05:38 PM

Q, this is going to be a bit heavy... but I hope somewhere down the line your smart-arse stance doesn't come back to cause you - or a loved one - a whole lot of pain! But it probably will!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 05:23 PM

Prosciutto is fine but I prefer a Spanish serrano with the melon.

For the last three years, imported Spanish serranos are available in Canada.

(Hate to upset tunesmith further, but my wife is preparing bacon, cheddar and tomato sandwiches for dinner).

Subject: RE: BS: Don't touch that steak!
From: EBarnacle
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 03:50 PM

Q, you must not forget the figs to go with the ham, preferably prosciutto and melon.